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Posted by: Jen Oct 20 2022, 04:55 PM

Posted by: AregularFrankiefan Oct 21 2022, 01:32 AM

Wow, here I thought we were doing a Halloween-themed event. No real complaints from me, though; sounds like a lot of fun! The 5K Coin bonus prize sounds interesting, but I personally will never be able to get that many Coins haha. Still, I can't wait to see what it is.

Posted by: Rhapsody Oct 21 2022, 01:35 AM

Surprise! One might think of this as a Halloween trick but there's plenty of treats for you.

Posted by: Eryth Violet Oct 21 2022, 01:36 AM

This is a really cool alternate theme to Halloween while still matching the vibe of the holiday. Love it! And two in one month??? Actually insane but very appreciated.

A special prize for 5k coins... golly, y'all are gonna make me put in the work. But don't think I won't.

Posted by: Isla de Monte Cristo Oct 21 2022, 01:57 AM

Ahhhhhh! I'm so ready to hatch 2k eggs like an absolute madperson! I love the celestial theme and I'm loving the speculation on this 5k coin mystery!

Posted by: Naixatloz Oct 21 2022, 03:33 AM

Could it be Dialga/Palkia Origin formes? 🤔

Posted by: ThunderMoss Oct 21 2022, 04:20 AM

Nice variety and I look forward to seeing the 5k bonus prize. 2k event eggs are kind of annoying for the PC limited (e.g. old timers or collector types) but once the PC is full then that makes it simpler to walk away so that should feel like a feature.

It would be nice if there was any scaling of coins for egg maturity -- fast hatching eggs is fun but demands more attention. Yes, players might try to optimize but that is simply applying their individual preferences. The presence of 2k eggs among the bunch is just going to give a trivial optimization if one considers only coins as many will. Maturity coin scaling would allow for varying secondary interest in slower hatching eggs and/or considered use of limited resources like attention or PC space.

Posted by: The Kraken Oct 21 2022, 08:17 AM

5k??? Damn, I dont know how you people can do it, I barely keep up with the shiny prizes at average 100 eggs a day, and this would require almost 300 a day.....

Posted by: Professor Eucalyptus Oct 21 2022, 08:29 AM

Alas, aliens are pretty spooky - no? I had a funny feeling the next event would be space-themed and I'm here for it. I guess you could say it was in the stars? Nice to see Porygon and Swablu make a swift return. It's anybody's guess who 5,000 is as a lot of legendaries are space-themed but my money's on the Cosmos-Frying Flash of Nasty Stuff. I'm glad to see more fun "unique prizes" though.
Also it would be convenient if you retroactively included Gastly because I may have started hunting it in anticipation and it looks like a comet. Anyhow, back to bed.

And to Moss's comment - I was more fond of the coin scaling idea before the EXP boost was implemented but now I'm more ambivalent. It would be nice if the eggs were more equitable as the star users wouldn't resort to spamming the lowest maturity eggs and increase diversity though that's always been a part of the GPX+ equation and it's also part of the fun of having varied egg steps in the first place. Another thing I find fun is being forced to make decisions - in this case it's usually optimization v. "egg i want more for personal reasons" so removing that would remove a bit of breath out of me. I realize in your case this decision is not so difficult but I feel it's something of an inevitability that the game's world will shrink as you progress through it. I don't mean to talk down your idea - you already highlighted positives on it and I would be fine either way. Also my opinions tend to be dissonant anyways so with any luck you should find plenty of support.

Posted by: Ember Lake Oct 21 2022, 04:45 PM

I do love these coin events I'm very happy to see something new added! Though maybe it's because I was on hiatus for so long but they're knew to me! 5k is a challenge I'm willing to try but maybe I'll abuse the multipliers we'll hopefully get to lower my poor shiny hunt recorder just a tad as well...

Posted by: ThunderMoss Oct 21 2022, 08:59 PM

@Prof Euc

I agree that the boost in click maturity makes everything less than 5k eggs pretty fast hatching. On the 3.2 days even 30k eggs sometimes mature in less than an hour... which seems decidedly excessive but full PC is a happy PC is a go outside and play opportunity.

My other thought on the coin events in general is that they have lost some of their initial charm. Old old events were of the whoever gets the most gets the spiffy prize. But after I and others realized the top 5-10 all got the same prize there was less of a push for the overall lead and to just be in the top group. This was healthier.

Then came the coin shop which ended that competition and allowed players to select the items they wished to gather coins for. And there was a steep drop in perceived value after the various Sh. Vouchers.

But there were fossils... of passing interest and unlimited.

And then summoning items... of more interest but alas also unlimited.

There were some restrictions on the number of these items in your party but the coin gathering maniacs (including myself) were also able to schedule and just summon summon summon.

Or for one, who I noted! but will not refer to, they summoned and left them for others to enjoy. Thank You. It was very strange to see three Ho-oh eggs on a single lab screen.

So my preference would be that the fossils, summoning items etc. be of limited stock in the Event Shop. Perhaps 5-10 but anything not unlimited. Flame Orbs are limited... but Red Orbs etc. are not. Conversely, it would be nice if the rare evolution items such as Corruption Orbs did not have this limit. But the Sh. Legendary vouchers may just need to be used with the few Corruption Orbs.

I can always select how to play but it helps if there are some limits which help with defining what is enough. Maybe I just need to collect another box or two of something to help the PC limit apply just a bit sooner...

It is nice to see the site has more users most days now and it seems like they are plenty active so that is all great. And the Events with many eggs and the Event Shop with many, and varied items also offer some choices for players.

Regards,
-TM

Posted by: Jade Oct 21 2022, 11:10 PM

Ummm, not like the worst thing in the world but the event shop closed? I thought we had one more day to spend them? Did the new event start today instead?

Posted by: KitsuYuuki Oct 22 2022, 01:05 AM

I actually really enjoyed the summon community event, I think it's really cool that the community came together to make a bunch of people happy with the summons. When it was happening, so many players were excited and having fun, hoping for a shiny legendary. Summons don't really have a lot of value anyway since you can easily farm them with explorations, and they tend to be very common as hatched legendaries in the shelter. Lugia, Ho-oh, and the Latis already have such a low value, that keeping the summons unlimited really doesn't hurt anything. The same is true for other summons, it's such a small pool of the overall legendaries, that it really doesn't hurt anything to leave them unlimited.

Posted by: Jade Oct 22 2022, 03:11 AM

One thing I kind of wish is that the summoning items/fossils weren't limited to only 2 at a time to buy. I really don't feel like there's a need for the limit anymore - if there really ever was one. I don't really understand why it's in place.
But especially if we do any other back-to-back events like this. A week between events isn't really a lot of time to spend all the coins some people may earn, either because of work related things or just needing a break afterwards (I love the events but they do take a lot out of me).

Posted by: yellowsofa Oct 22 2022, 06:49 AM

Aahhh another coin event this month? YEESSSS thank you. Just another opportunity for me to try and get a voucher! But just the one as my skills are limited Also, 5000 coins?! What madness is that?!

Posted by: The Kraken Oct 22 2022, 07:28 AM

I disagree entirely. At least the current event system gives everyone a fair shot at getting the prizes they want, and isn't dependent on others who might have unlimited free time and resources to hog the first spots.

I'd even argue that it would be cool if the shop didn't reset between events. Since I only really want the shiny voucher prizes, it feels like any remaining amount of my coins becomes worthless, and then the event ends early/abruptly. If there was the choice to save up coins between events, it would give casual players an option to save up for the shiny prizes, as well as just let the rest of us not waste our remaining coins on prizes we dont actually want. Or for example, it would actually give more players a chance at eventually getting the 5k prize, whatever that will be. Currently it doesn't even feel achievable to me, as it would require me to earn 3x as much coins as I usually do.
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I do like the idea of different egg-step groups giving different amounts of coins. For example, anything <5k giving one coin and anything over 5k giving 2 (or being random chance between 1-2 coins). Would help us in the days when everyone is going for the low step eggs and they run out quickly, and more options to shiny hunt the pokemon we actually need.

Posted by: Professor Eucalyptus Oct 22 2022, 11:01 AM

Moss -
I may be too young to remember those old events but I understand your perspective. I think the main focus behind these events is less toward competition and more for users to seek out their personal goals with fewer limits. I'm not sure what you mean by healthier - I suppose there may be a higher density of 'coin gathering maniacs' since everybody can be a winner which may be at the detriment to said maniacs' health (I think 5000 coins for the new thing is ludicrous considering the relative cheapness of the next most expensive thing but I digress...) but it is clear that more people will get more resources with this model. Whether that is a good thing is up to debate.

I think Hoppy's summoning spree (hi hoppy) is emblematic of your point. Should somebody be able to do this? That's up to the admins. I would personally have no qualms with placing stock limits on fossils and summoning items. (Or alternatively for consistency's sake, make 'less valuable' items like flame orbs infinite as well. I really see no reason for flame orbs to be limited in this way, it's bizarre <orb with flame trapped inside.>)

If this precedent continues (essentially, having constant events during non-swsh season) I think some thought should definitely be given toward further balancing the shop.

I also completely sympathize with your feelings on the devaluing of these prized items in general.

Posted by: Dragon Arbock Oct 22 2022, 11:20 AM

Why is the coin shop gone already? I had I think 90 coins I was planning on using yet today. Why is it gone before rollover?

Posted by: Jade Oct 22 2022, 11:40 AM

Let me put it this way for the unhealthiness thing:

-Prior to these coins events - which I feel are a VASTLY improved method of gaining on high end items - we really only had like one-two opportunities a year to get a shiny voucher. Usually for the Hannakuh event. The method was similar, we would get coins for only SOME eggs we hatch out of a set number of Pokemon.
You basically had to be in the top ten coin hatchers - to keep up with some of the crazier people, you pretty much had to play all day, every day, non stop. Now these were my choices but I definitely skipped on sleep and food on more than one occasion just to "play more" lol.
That's really, really draining. I would generally be one of those people, and after that event, and the high activity score event, I would generally put the game down for a few months.

I do not, by any stretch of the means, want to go back to that lol It was miserable and not really that fun, just a grind. And that's coming from someone who could get the top prize. I can't even imagine how it felt for the many, MANY people who knew it was out of reach for them the moment it started. It probably was a bummer.

And, honestly, for people who have played for years like me? Shiny novelty and legendary vouchers are kinda of a nice thing to finally complete out some hunts that are, by any other means, impossible (And when you're running out of hunts to even DO...). While also being nice for casual players who really had no other way to get those items and NOW they can.
It's also redrummed up a LOT of interest back in the game, and we're getting pluses and players like we haven't in a long time. Overall, these events are an overall positive both for the site's revenue and us.
You take away the prizes, you take away like 90% of the people's desires to play during these times. The average player doesn't want to or can't put that much play time into this game and it should, honestly, be fair to all of us.


Tl;dr - The old method was too structured towards high end players and too much of a grind. New method is less intensive and more fair to everyone. Spreads out site activity more healthily as well.




I was confused about that too - but I finally figured it out. In Nom's thread, it says the shop would close YESTERDAY at reset.
But this post of course says our coins won't reset until tonight - which is a bit confusing because why not just reset on the day the shop closes? So yeah I feel ya. I lost 425 lol

Edit: Okay of all the things I could think up the 5k prize to be Arceus was not it, but that's rad. I'm curious to see how many people will get it.
Sh. otherworldy voucher is super exciting!! Don't know what I'll use it for But I adore having the option

Posted by: Darky Oct 23 2022, 04:28 AM

Oh, another lovely event=) But 5k coins is way too much for me. I want an Arkoos eggo, but how to get 5k coins for specific mons? How do people get that many coins? Share your secrets, please, I'd love to know=)

I think for these events we need to do quick release option and never-ending grabs, or something like that. I can fil lup my boxes and have no grabs and do nothing while I still have some time left.This is slowing me and others down=(

Posted by: SallyAnn Oct 23 2022, 06:27 AM

Overall I am loving these themed events but:

I have to agree with the different stepped eggs giving different amounts of coins, or even try to scale so that all eggs for a particular event are the exact same size - otherwise it's the same old story with everyone just grabbing the same 3 eggs over and over and over and over.

Also there are so many Pokémon nowadays I am not sure why the same old pokies seem to be coming up over and over for the events - Porygon was literally in the last event, munna has been in 1 or 2 events already, Amaura was in the fossil event already as well.

Plus you now know that 50% of Christmas exchange gifts will be munna/cleffa/igglybuff

Posted by: Vulpix D Oct 23 2022, 01:11 PM

Maybe i can get all the Star Pieces. Extra PC Boxes are expensive

But i'll be lucky to get 100 coins for one of the Deoxys forms i need.

Posted by: Naixatloz Oct 23 2022, 04:11 PM

I'm ready to destroy my health to get that Arceus.

Posted by: ThunderMoss Oct 23 2022, 07:53 PM

Lots of good comments to respond to so I will place them all in a single post.

@KitsuYuuki

Regarding unlimited summons items it changes the historical game balance. Over 10+ years (but some time off) I managed about 1000 summons. With the last event alone I earned well over 200 summoning items... and one hatched shiny! I was happy to summon and hatch but this makes summons more of scheduling matter than something special. Getting tons of them from explorations doesn't really compare when I earned two years worth in a single two week period. Yes, I was one of the top coin gatherers but am planning to try and moderate this -- so asking for limits makes my change easier.

@The Kraken

I think we mostly agree? Jade provided a more thorough explanation of how the old coin system was 24+ hour madness rat race sort of unhealthy choices. New system much better for more balanced play and planning and not a few winners take all.

I also agree that coins should just carry over. The difficulty of earning coins and their purchasing power hasn't really changed from one event to the next. Until we get a 'Karp event... NO! Allowing carry over would be a real boost for those who wish the Sh. Legendary voucher but it might take them two or more events based on their style of play. Or carry over could be capped at 600 coins to avoid any hiccups in changes to the earn/spend economy.

@Professor Euc

Healthier is not playing all day (most every day) and something both of us have considered and adjusted somewhat over the past while. At least I hope we are both making adjustments towards how we would prefer to play. I know I enjoyed a lot of summer excursions away from screens and my mouse/keyboard are happier to not be worked so hard.

Hoppy's summoning spree (and another later than night) was quite wonderful to stumble upon and a joyful sharing. But it also was just another party of legendaries after having dozens of parties of legendaries over the preceding week. So... not quite as special as it would have been pre-event shop. Seeing multiple legendary eggs in a single lab screen and having to consider which was most special was a new experience.

@Jade

Thank you for explaining the old coin system. I agree the new one is much better balance for all levels of player activity. Sh. Vouchers still bother me relative to game play balance but that is my personal choice and I do not have to ever use them. I know other players have been very happy to earn and use their vouchers.

Posted by: ThunderMoss Oct 23 2022, 07:58 PM

I have a question about the 5000 coin Arceus. Is this just a regular old Arceus like you can get after completing all the specific type Arceus explorations? Can it be released or will it just be one more perma-resident in the PC?

Not that it isn't a very special resident and taking only a single space but I have a lot of other very special residents each taking up only a single space.

I am hoping some of the players who did the exploration after finishing all the typed Arceus will respond. I have not yet been curious enough to explore this little detail as the exploration series wore me out despite my efforts to spread them out.

Posted by: Level-X Oct 23 2022, 08:49 PM

I would think that it works just like the current Normal Typed Arceus from the Exploration! This Arceus just gives users the ability to bypass shard hunting for the elusive Normal Typed Arceus!
If it can be released it will vanish from existence.

Posted by: Jade Oct 23 2022, 11:06 PM

I suppose the way I look at it is simply that just because the site has become more gracious in these top end prizes (which, I mean, from responses still does appear to be quite a bit of work for the average player), I feel like it doesn't necessarily negate the value of the shinies acquired beforehand?

I mean I'll always be proud of getting Virizion and Ditto in my second run through of their explorations. Or that Jaden my darling Jolteon took 1.8k eggs to get and started before multipliers were even a THING on this site. Or that my shiny Easter Buneary took an insane 1.5k lol. Oh and I don't forget spending literal HOURS in the shelter waiting for someone to drop a Zapdos egg back when legendries didn't have explorations and the only way to get them were from the "gift drops" (and actually managing to get one!) - list goes on but they are all my proud accomplishments.

But I'm also like..... really grateful that I have more freedoms I didn't really feel I had before? Like, prize points. I no longer feel I need to horde them just so I can mass summon Rayquaza anymore. I finally felt free enough to USE the trove of shiny legend vouchers I gained on the site throughout the years from events because I now am confidant I'll get another. I finally can consider throwing other things in my daycare that aren't novelty only pokemon if I wanted to (because my list of wanted novelty shinies was also like a mile long LOL).

And those are just personal positives on top of the overall site/economical ones I mentioned before. But you know obvs that's just me. I'm not trying to negate your - or anyone's - misgivings on the matter. Just want to provide another counterpoint to it.

Posted by: Naixatloz Oct 24 2022, 01:06 AM

Two hours in and my wrist is already sore... abort mission.

Posted by: PokemonTrainerAlix Oct 25 2022, 01:06 AM

Oh heck yeah, I was already hunting 3 of these too -- its a win win!

Posted by: pochamachan Oct 25 2022, 09:22 AM

I just came back to this event from a six-year hiatus and it's been a lot of fun! Really gets me back in the rhythm of clicking again.

Posted by: ThunderMoss Oct 26 2022, 03:31 PM

@Level-X

Thank you for the additional information regarding the "just your standard space goat". I am still curious if this sort can be released... or if those who seek to hunt them end up with a box of them... I should ask Jane should I revisit Discord. My Normal Arceus doe not provide a release option so I would assume those from the exploration would be the same.

I accumulated event fatigue rapidly during the hyper-active (and productive) Hatch+ start for the current event. And seeing another arrives tomorrow am considering what interests me. My spiritual guide for GPX offers the same advice each time I ask her for how to proceed: "What is most fun." So I very much appreciate that the Gift Shop provides flexibility for considering what is fun for each of us.

Being at the screen and giving attention to the same activity all day usually is not the most fun.

Play healthy. Have fun. Do not hafta click 'em all all the time.

Regards,
-TM

Posted by: Delcatty Oct 30 2022, 08:51 PM

(Oops I didn't pay any attention to the forums and thought all the discussion would be on discord and now I'm late to the party.)

Dropping some opinions of my own.

Re: egg steps vs coin amounts -- yes please. I would have adored doing more Absol/Nidoran/Amaura if I could "afford" to do so while also making my coin goal, but it just wasn't feasible. (I'm still hoping to do a day or so of them at the end if I can, but that's kinda going to have to depend on how quickly I can hit said goal.) Having all eggs be more proportional to steps instead of having low-step-count eggs be objectively correct as far as cpm would be really nice and honestly lead to more variety in general.

Re: 5k for Arceus -- Yeah, it's too dang high. Even as someone who's going for it because I absolutely HATE doing explorations and so there's no way for me to get it otherwise, 5k is too much. Personally, I'd rather see it be 2-3k, because I feel like that's more reasonably attainable while also being a big goal, but ymmv.

Re: Increasing limit from 2 on summon items -- Yes please.

More specific replies:

100% agreed with Kraken here. Giving only the top X rewards (or way better rewards) just feels punishing to people who can't put in the same time/energy that others can. Not everyone's life circumstances allow them hours upon hours a day, and the coin events are actually a REALLY nice balance of that where people who only get a few coins still at least get something, while the people who put in the most still get proportionally rewarded for the effort put in. Everyone gets rewarded in some way or another, and it's mostly a lot healthier. (Though honestly I do feel like the 5k Arceus being so high is definitely at least bordering on negatively impacting my health, if not actually already doing so.)


This, 100%. I barely played GPX at all between 2010 and 2022. I would occasionally come back for a few days at a time (like every 2-3 years probably), but never really got into it before. Then I came back in August right as the Beach event started, and I've had an absolute blast. If it weren't for the guaranteed prizes just by hatching, I don't think I would've stayed at all, let alone been so active and made friends on the discord. I know I'm "just one person" and no more important than anyone else, but I definitely feel like I can't be the only person around for whom that story is shared.


Again, 100% this. Newer or returning players (or even long-time veterans) having more freedoms and general Nice Thing Availability is great. Old legendaries/summon shinies are still just as shiny and summoned as they were before, and if absolutely necessary, there's always the box on the right that shows the summon/hatch date to show "Hey, I got this when summons were rarer" if that matters so much to you personally. (Not looking down on anyone for it, and trying to phrase that as best as I can to make that clear, but I'm not fantastic at words.)

Posted by: Supernewf Oct 30 2022, 10:34 PM

I really do like the way the coin events are these days. There is def some room for improvement but I really enjoy it. Setting your own goals on what prizes to aim for ect is fun. The event is also good for getting shiny's. the lists of pokemon have been decent so far too. Im just tossing in my opinion really but Ive really enjoyed playing during events.

Posted by: ThunderMoss Nov 2 2022, 06:13 AM

OK. Now I understand how Kraken (and others) disagreed with what I wrote. I am slow to see how my words were unclear. In discussing the first and subsequent mad dashes I meant only it was healthier (better play) when one realized that it was only useful to be among the first group rather than the top player compared to the prior race to be the top. So it went from really excessive to just merely excessive to get a prize which was not even known until later.

The coin shop... is far far better play and allows far broader participation and known levels of effort to achieve prizes rather than needing to be in the top 1% (or 0.1%).

I did not mean to suggest a return to anything like the old top maniac playing being the only path to the best prizes.

I was trying to suggest that just as there are limits on the supply of Sh. Vouchers (and Flame Orbs!) that having a limit on the stock of Summon Items/Fossils would provide for a better balance of prizes and a more clear diminishing return from maniac playing.

Regards,
-TM

Posted by: AdmiralPerry Nov 2 2022, 12:41 PM

I've been out of the loop and only just now found out about that Arceus. Oof. I want it. No way I can get it. Probably won't be returning either, and if it does it probably won't be for awhile. 5,000 coins, is that even possible? I feel like it isn't, but I could be wrong. Either way, I feel like that requirement needs to be lowered if it does make a return, or some adjustments made to the amount of coins we can get from hatching eggs, or something.

Anyway, that's my whining over pixels for the day, carry on.


P.S. Also more box space when. Plz. I'm dying Squirtle. I want to maintain a living dex but with a new region dropping eventually I'm not sure that'll be feasible anymore.

Posted by: Professor Eucalyptus Nov 2 2022, 02:16 PM

Somebody actually already bought https://gpx.plus/info/qIWEW Granted they were very active but given that the event still has a few days left it does seem feasible. That being said, the price is definitely still excessive.

Posted by: Naixatloz Nov 3 2022, 02:19 AM

I do feel that 5k is about right for the value this game has historically placed on normal-type Arceus. It's always been meant to be the most exclusive Pokemon on the site by a wide margin. And it's certainly feasible to earn the 5k coins, considering at least one person's already done it and several more are on pace.

As for whether 5k coins is a goal that values users' time and health... I'm much more ehh on that one. I very nearly backed out of trying for it out of concern for my own well-being, and it is absolutely requiring a level of activity from me that I don't think I can or should sustain for much longer than the duration of the event. So I'm of two minds about it, I guess.

Posted by: Delcatty Nov 3 2022, 11:10 PM

oh hey it's mine The price is 100% excessive, and honest to god, that was definitely more draining than I was realizing it was. Admittedly I struggle with mental health to begin with, but the toll that took on me was absolutely not something I ever should do again. A more reasonable price that's high but not so draining is 100% something I think should be adjusted to if this kind of thing ever happens again.


As someone who achieved the 5k Arceus, the amount of time and energy and mental strain I poured into the site to get it were, once the brief adrenaline high wore off, 100% not worth it in the slightest, and while I do still feel some pride looking at that Arceus, it's honestly mostly just bitterness now. Hopefully that changes again in time when I'm no longer feeling as burnt-out and terrible, but for now at least, it's a Regret. There are amounts of coins that would be more feasible while still remaining A Big Challenge for the majority of users (2-3k is my personal suggestion), especially under more normal circumstances. You have to remember with this current event --
There are tons of extremely heavily bred 2k pokemon. Not even 3k, 2k.
There are even more 3k pokemon that are also heavily bred.
We've had three back-to-back Hatch+ in a row which was intentional on my part but still worth mentioning.

That's basically the stars aligning to make 5k more feasible, when at least the other coin events I've been part of, it wouldn't have been nearly in reach for anything but absolute outliers.

That's also not taking into account the physical and emotional cost. Again, not going to get into specifics of mental health because this is neither the time nor the place, but on the sheer physical end of things -- I was active on GPX, on average, for 16-22 hours a day for basically 9 days straight, and when I actually got Arceus, I'd been running on ridiculously low sleep. Now, I did this to myself, sure, but honestly, I don't think there's a healthy way to get the 5k coins from most events, and especially if it becomes a regular thing, I think the amount should definitely be reduced. 5k is fine as an experiment amount, but I don't think it should stay beyond just this once, and if it does, I think it's going to very much induce burnout on many of the people that end up going for it -- especially if they get really really far but just can't quite make it.

Posted by: Cajun Nov 5 2022, 04:50 AM

Not sure if the Arceus is the cause or just getting the final egg made it obvious, but my Pokedex Egg Count and Unique Eggs Obtained stat are out of sync, 606 and 605 respectively.

Posted by: Naixatloz Nov 5 2022, 03:46 PM

You also went much harder than anyone else who's been on this grind. Which isn't to say you're to blame for your burnout, because I think all of us who are/were going for the Arceus have been feeling it. There's no getting around the fact that this grind is not a healthy one as it currently stands. I just think it's worth pointing out that the 5k is attainable without going at such a breakneck pace.

And yet I can't shake my belief that 5k feels like the right amount of effort for how rare the game wants normal-type Arceus to be. So rather than reduce the number of coins it takes, my proposal would be to either extend the duration of events that offer Arceus as a prize, or make Arceus a permanent fixture in the coin shop and allow coin balance to roll over from past events. Or even just keep the rollover idea, but have Arceus only show up once or twice a year.

Arceus should remain something people have to put in a lot of work for. My true point of contention is that the frantic pace of the grind is unhealthy and shouldn't be encouraged. Not the idea of the grind itself.

Posted by: Plush Nightingale Nov 5 2022, 05:19 PM

Regarding Arceus, I feel like 5000 coins was the right amount for that prize. It's ridiculous and demands way too much dedication but a lot of games these days lack this sort of exclusive rewards and even though I'm probably not going to try for anything like that again, I'd like to see that trend continue. The fact that it might not be the healthiest doesn't mean that it should be lowered, between vouchers and summoning items there's enough goals to go for during the event for people that don't want to sell their soul to the devil.

Posted by: dareco Nov 6 2022, 10:24 AM

You must be mad to waste so much time of your life for some pixel image of an Arceus

Posted by: Naixatloz Nov 6 2022, 06:02 PM

I've done worse for less.

Posted by: Flameclaw1234 Nov 8 2022, 12:51 AM

Oh man, the heartbreak I felt when I saw today's multiplier was so low was devastating. I'm at 4,400 coins right now and I figured with a 3x or high 2x multiplier I could probably get to 5k if I really grind, but there's probably no chance for me now. A lot of the recent multipliers have been very low, either below 2x or just above it, which basically torpedo'd my plan to grind this week. That's really disappointing after spending so much time working toward it and getting so close, and I do wish the coins required were just a tiiiny bit lower, but ah well, you win some you lose some.

Congrats to those who have gotten/will get their Arceus though!

Posted by: Myou Nov 8 2022, 11:46 AM

I would love it if we had some type of rollover system, even if we only got to keep a fraction of the leftover coins. I frequently find myself spending the dregs on things I don't want because it feels like a waste of my effort to just let it disappear into the aether. Having coins carry over, even at a capped amount, would also allow for higher coin prices (such as Arceus) to be much more feasible; it would still require a lot of effort, but it wouldn't be a back-breaking endeavor if we were able to save coins for a specific reward.





While I'm a firm believer that effort should coincide with reward, I definitely enjoy the freedom the new event system gives. In the past, I would spend an unhealthy amount of time clicking like a madman (madwoman?) for the chance to get something good, even getting to the point of turning down invites to hang out with friends or faking sick to get out of family obligations so I could be at home to grind just a bit more; more often than not, I ended up disappointed and frustrated when all that effort panned out to losing the roulette spin for the really nice prizes, but I still felt compelled to keep sinking all of my time into the events because I would regret not at least trying. Now, I can actually spend time outside the game and still realistically meet my daily quota to earn the things I really want.

I was tempted to go for Arceus, but I know even 2-3k would be pushing it for me and my life just doesn't allow me to invest that kind of time... plus I like having functional hands.



This was absolutely me. I hoarded any shiny vouchers I go ahold of rather than using them because there were so many things I wanted to use them on and the vouchers were so hard to get with the old system that it felt like no matter what I chose, I would be wasting a valuable resource; now that I know I'll be able to earn more with an appropriate amount of effort, I've been able to get past that mental block and use the vouchers I have to whittle down the list of things I want.

Posted by: Giratina 5590 Nov 9 2022, 01:59 AM

Oh dear lord, good work to all who achieved the near impossible!

These last few days of grinding have been intense but I managed to squeak out 277 or so eggs on the 1.65 multiplier and went into the final day with 4638 / 5000 hatched, though triumphed and got my 362 eggs with 45m to spare (I honestly didn't know if I'd make it).

In terms of difficulty I think the bar was set accordingly for having been on this site for years and seeing the exclusivity of Arceus at 5000 eggs hatched. I would keep that, keep the coins resetting each event, and keep the 1 coin per qualifying egg hatched. Although would mayhaps lengthen the event by a small amount. I personally had some event days where I barely hatched any or had plans that needed tending to so I made those days up with the grind.

I also empathize with anyone who was close to the end goal but could not meet it. Once again I cut it real close and had to use the prize points I had accumulated; over the past two days they were drained on heart scales and flame orbs.

Time to sleep.

o7

Posted by: Taerar Nov 9 2022, 04:36 AM

Very casual player here as full-time uni student.

Fist even as I took a long hiatus, so no other experience in that regard.

My personal take was, it wasn't that casual friendly. I did have a goal and it was not Arceus, but the Sh. Voucher plus, a goal I did not hit as I reached 363/400. Increase of coins or multiplyers throughout would have been very useful, or letting coins rollover so those whom play casual can save for next time.

Just want to thank the people whom bred the eggs needed for the event as I did not have time to refresh the lab finding them and played a little on my break or before lectures.

Posted by: AdmiralPerry Nov 9 2022, 10:20 AM

"The fact that it might not be the healthiest..." is absolutely why the amount should be revisited. People have jobs. People have school. People have family and friends and life in general to tend to. A game demanding (I use this a bit loosely here, because really, the prize is just on offer, and no one or nothing is pointing a gun at anyone's head saying they have to go for it) that people ignore everything else in order to achieve a goal is not healthy no matter which way you slice it. Should it be a challenge? Absolutely. But it should also be fairly reasonable to achieve even if a person can't sit in front of their computer all hours of the day for nearly two weeks straight. I also feel that games don't need exclusive rewards--they just foster dissatisfaction and resentment among the players that can't get whatever these exclusive rewards are. And what about long-time players who might not have need (or want) for most vouchers or summoning items? That's what I feel the Arceus was kind of catered to?

I didn't even bother going for it because I knew I didn't have the time nor the space to hatch 300+ eggs a day, and I found out about it with only about six days left in the event (I think... days tend to blur together for me anymore). I felt like I was completely shut out because it felt so ridiculously high and unachievable that there was just absolutely no point in going for it. I also acknowledge that some of that is probably a 'me' problem, but aside from that the reality, for me, is there was just no time to make an attempt because I have other things in my life to tend to.

Also apologies if any of this comes off harsh or the wrong way, I'm really not trying to attack anyone, and sincere congratulations if you were able to stick through it to get that Arceus, because that really was no small feat. But please for the love of all that is good on this earth take a break because y'all have definitely earned it. Same for anyone who grinded their butts off for their personal goals, Arceus or otherwise.