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Luneon
post Nov 23 2010, 03:59 PM
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i'm not even gonna try to turn you or anyone else into an atheist.
i just wanna know why people say we're evil.
i didn't do anything, the people here (gpx+/gts+) don't hate me, so give me 10 GOOD reasons why Atheists (including myself) are evil :|
i'm a very curious person...


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post Nov 23 2010, 04:17 PM
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QUOTE(Luneon @ Nov 23 2010, 04:59 PM) *
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So Fancy, what you're saying is that we become evil when we argue against your beliefs, yet when you guys argue against the beliefs of Atheists it's perfectly fine and you're good? Doesn't that seem sort of stubborn?


I don't know about Fancy, but what annoys the piss out of me is when atheists decide to ignore when I say "I don't respect the Bible as a credible source of science or moral values." and quote the damn thing further.

Yes, I know how funny it is that the bible tells us to stone queers to death and treat women like slaves. What I find more fascinating is why you're telling me this AGAIN as if it'll magically turn me into an atheist.

And no, I know that not all of them are like that, but damn it all the ones who do seem to do it the loudest.</div>

QUOTE(Luneon @ Nov 23 2010, 03:56 PM) *
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but what's wrong with not believing in God?
i don't get this.. you guys are allowed to say we're evil and if we say you are.. it's against idontevenknowwhat and almost a crime :|


Yeah, I believe this entire thread has shown that no...that does not happen...does not happen at all.

i'm not even gonna try to turn you or anyone else into an atheist.
i just wanna know why people say we're evil.
i didn't do anything, the people here (gpx+/gts+) don't hate me, so give me 10 GOOD reasons why Atheists (including myself) are evil :|
i'm a very curious person...


Yeeeeaaaaaah you're not getting it.

I don't give a shit if you believe in god or not, so I don't particularly care about your homework assignment. No one in this thread calls atheists evil (or if one did I have no idea how they got passed the rest of us without a long winded debate), so asking any of s why atheists are evil is like asking a PETA member what they think of bacon. Not only don't they know, but chances are they're going to facepalm at you for asking (then again...it's PETA. God knows what they'd do).


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post Nov 23 2010, 05:26 PM
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do you really think i'm replying because of a homework assignment..???!??? :|

and: what. the. ???!??? is PETA :|


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post Nov 23 2010, 07:38 PM
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QUOTE(Luneon @ Nov 23 2010, 06:26 PM) *
do you really think i'm replying because of a homework assignment..???!??? :|

and: what. the. ???!??? is PETA :|


wow...right over your head.


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post Nov 23 2010, 08:21 PM
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QUOTE(Reyo @ Nov 23 2010, 07:38 PM) *
wow...right over your head.


Wow...you're a jerk :l

Seriously, I've seen you around the forums..can you say /anything/ without coming along as an arsehole.

To keep on topic, I'm agnostic. I don't care what others think...I for one, know atheists aren't evil...unless they're mass murderers...of course, a religious person could be a mass murderer as well.

All in all: Are Atheists evil? Is a stupid question. :T


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I don't see how Reyo is being a jerk. He explained his side and Luneon ignored him. Reyo doesn't believe Atheists are evil, Luneon is just taking it in the wrong text. Luneon is asking for 10 reason why they're evil to someone who doesn't believe they're evil.

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This sounds more like an emotional arguement than a debate, which isn't strange considering someone's beliefs and morals are on question here.

Just so I'm on topic: I'm an atheist. I don't think I'm evil. People I know don't think I'm evil.

I may be wrong about my views on life though, and I would be fine if I was wrong (not if God was a MixMence though). I don't think I'm going to burn in hell for having a different opinion than other people, atleast I hope so.

I'm not here to flame other people, so I'd kind of like it if you didn't flame me, religion is supposed to be something to bring people together peacefuly, not argue about.


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post Nov 24 2010, 01:14 AM
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I was just saying, make a tl;dr. I don't want to read a post that has everything up there when you simply make a one sentence post. It messes with the eyes. And because I am amazing like that, I don't really need to kill my eyes reading over a wall of text that ends with a small question.

My main points are:
- If you see my first post, that's what I mean.
- I don't want to deal with all your Atheist comments when all of them don't acknowledge God as an argument.

What I am reading so far is:
"God doesn't exist therefore I don't believe your argument that God is real."

This is about how Atheists are evil or not.

What I can argue is that Atheists are evil because they are the ones that defile the name of God - they are the ones that kill God. With in the introduction of the Industrial Revolution, science becomes the primary believe. Originally for a thousand years or so, people believed in God. It is God's will that things are created.

To go against God is to be evil. Atheists spread doubt in God converting believers into doubters. They have no faith. Without the support of believers God is essentially killed because no one believes in this entity. It is us the people that give meaning to God and it is the Atheists that act against the will of God.


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post Nov 24 2010, 02:46 AM
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QUOTE(FancyGranola @ Nov 24 2010, 05:14 PM) *
I was just saying, make a tl;dr. I don't want to read a post that has everything up there when you simply make a one sentence post. It messes with the eyes. And because I am amazing like that, I don't really need to kill my eyes reading over a wall of text that ends with a small question.

My main points are:
- If you see my first post, that's what I mean.
- I don't want to deal with all your Atheist comments when all of them don't acknowledge God as an argument.

What I am reading so far is:
"God doesn't exist therefore I don't believe your argument that God is real."

This is about how Atheists are evil or not.

What I can argue is that Atheists are evil because they are the ones that defile the name of God - they are the ones that kill God. With in the introduction of the Industrial Revolution, science becomes the primary believe. Originally for a thousand years or so, people believed in God. It is God's will that things are created.

To go against God is to be evil. Atheists spread doubt in God converting believers into doubters. They have no faith. Without the support of believers God is essentially killed because no one believes in this entity. It is us the people that give meaning to God and it is the Atheists that act against the will of God.


Well excuse me, if my posting here is bothering you. I do not parade around saying "God doesn't exist". Yes, I am an athiest, and yes, I do respect what people's beliefs are. In fact, quite a few of my friends are religious, yet I don't throw it in their face that their beliefs false.
What I'm trying to get across, is that everyone has at least a tiny bit of evil, or if you don't like that word, 'bad' in them. My proof? History. In the past, it was Christians who murdered hundreds of people in the name of God. Don't we consider people who murder are criminals? Therefore, they are evil. Athiests commit serious crimes, too. So they're evil too.

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post Nov 24 2010, 03:54 AM
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QUOTE(Tequila Mockingbird @ Nov 23 2010, 09:21 PM) *
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wow...right over your head.


Wow...you're a jerk :l

Seriously, I've seen you around the forums..can you say /anything/ without coming along as an arsehole.

To keep on topic, I'm agnostic. I don't care what others think...I for one, know atheists aren't evil...unless they're mass murderers...of course, a religious person could be a mass murderer as well.

All in all: Are Atheists evil? Is a stupid question. :T


Sorry if I come off as a jerk. I try not to be, but sometimes when I'm peeved I tend to let a little smart-assery squeak by.

I know that particular comment was because I commented on Luneon asking me to start naming off reason why I believe in something I don't believe in, which was what probably peeved me initially, and he commented back with something that suggested he didn't understand what I was saying.



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post Nov 24 2010, 10:07 AM
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I can agree that everyone has some evil inside of them, though I still think some people have enough good inside to drown it out.

I may be wrong about this, but I do believe that the concept of good/evil is strongly influenced than none other than religion. In some ways, people didn't consider stealing the bread "evil" until their religion told them it was wrong and evil. Though many religions probably did this (and still do so today), the one that comes the mind the most is Zoroastrianism. Basically, it is this ancient Persian religion believing that all good comes from one entity, and all evil comes from another entity. These two entities are constantly in conflict. The evil would be trying to destroy the good entity, and took the form of material goods to tempt the humans. I am no expert on this religion, so don't necessarily take my word for it.

The point that I was trying to make (though I probably completely missed it) that evil is all in your opinion. The Zoroastrians had one idea of it, and we probably have something completely different. There are people who believe that the Western World is evil, when I would profusely argue the majority of us are quite good


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What is it you have against me? What have I ever done to you?


I am disappoint.

I just chose the longest stream of words. So happens the longest stream of posts has a question at the end. I don't have anything against you - I'm debating. And again, if I misplace the "your" treat that as a general thing that applies to everyone. If you think I'm hating, that's funny.





What is happening is that one side argues that religious people are evil, the other, everyone is evil.

So where is this debate? Where is the "atheists are not evil?" Right now, everyone/some people are evil, ergo (some)Atheists are evil.

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QUOTE(Luneon @ Nov 24 2010, 11:07 AM) *
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Btw, I'm a girl :|


I also make the sweeping generalization that everyone is a dude since there are no girls on the internet.

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But yeah, I just make that assumption to make it easier on myself.

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Everyone's evil and good at the same time :|

Atheists AND Christians.
MY opinion: It's actually very immature to say: "Atheists are evil because they don't believe in our God". (I DO respect different opinions btw.)
Another immature thing: Saying "Christians are evil because some of them dislike Atheists".


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post Nov 24 2010, 04:03 PM
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When you people say "everyone", do you mean people in general or do you mean literally every single individual in the universe with absolutely no exceptions whatsoever?

(I apologize if I come off as a smart-aleck or rude; I'm not trying to be. I just need clarification)

i mean people in general.. because there are "bad" people :|
people who kill other human beings just for fun..

and you're not rude.. i guess i'm just too young to discuss stuff like this, i think :|


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QUOTE(Reyo @ Nov 24 2010, 10:44 AM) *
Sorry if I come off as a jerk. I try not to be, but sometimes when I'm peeved I tend to let a little smart-assery squeak by.


Why are you apologizing? Everyone is jelly.


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QUOTE(FancyGranola @ Nov 26 2010, 04:10 AM) *
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Sorry if I come off as a jerk. I try not to be, but sometimes when I'm peeved I tend to let a little smart-assery squeak by.


Why are you apologizing? Everyone is jelly.


If I don't apolagize, I'll get hate filled messages from the mods about how less of a person I am, and then I'll have to think of some BS response to send to THEM

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I don't follow any particular organized religion, and consider myself agnostic, People should be allowed to believe what they wish to believe. Live and let live ^^


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In all honesty, in really doesn't matter what beliefs a person has - there's some good and evil in all of us, just in varying levels.

If you think about it, we are all technically atheists at birth.


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