Yeah, I'm gay. There's no way on earth anyone could convince me to come out in RL. No one would want to be my friend anymore. Say someone really doesn't care about sexuality, what are the odds he or she is going to risk being a social outcast just so they can make another friend. Quite slim. And I'm not on good terms with my family, so it would just make that worse as well.

I plan to grow up and move far away from where I am, and then I can live alone. Hey, I never said I wanted to be gay. It just happened. I don't want to get into a relationship with another guy.

I am a Heterosexual. I know for a fact that I am a heterosexual because I find myself sexually attracted to women and not men. I've seen both types of porn and had both types of thoughts, and 100% of the time I've been more sexually attracted to women.

This is not to say that I am a homophobe. I personally don't care if you're gay or bisexual. I used to think "Have you tried...NOT being gay?" when I was younger, but I realized that it conflicted with my view on "to each his own." so that stopped rathor quickly.

And personally, I find it rediculous when people bring religion into the debate. Everytime it does, I poke holes in the logic. "God created both man and woman right?" Yes. ""And this God is incapable of making a mistake right?" Yes. "So then why would God create something that he hated?" But being a homosexual is a choice. "Then why would God make such a choice physically possible? If God didn't like Homosexuality, then wouldn't he just *poof* it away?" Because Homosexuality is a result of Adam and Eve eating the apple of knowlege. "And who created this apple?" God of course. "Then why would God create something that would lead people to do something that he hates?" It serves as a test. "What test? Is there proof of this test?" The Bible. "*goes on to further display that the Bible is a result of the mistakes of man and is not the direct work of God.*"

And then there's the "Jesus taught us to "love thy neighbor", which is made clear in the Bible. Why wouldn't God feel the same way?" argument.

On the bisexual thing- In my opinion, it is not a case of, "I'll be bi so I get more sex"

There is a spectrum of hetero <------> bi <------> homo, and it is really like a probability chart.
Let's say there is a man who is bi, mostly hetero. They would be more likely that there chosen partner is female, but there is also a small chance they'll have a male partner.
If said man had five relationships over the course of several years, chances are most of them would be women (3-4), but a couple of men also (1-2).

This post has been edited by Zoreta: Jul 16 2009, 04:42 PM

What you're describing is known as the Kinsey Scale, and I completely agree.

I've seen the Kinsey Scale before, and I agree with his thinking on a general basis- on specifics I do deviate a bit, but his larger ideas make sense to me.

This post has been edited by Zoreta: Jul 16 2009, 06:08 PM

People should be able to love who they want to. You don't choose who you love, you just fall in love with them, whether they be the same or opposite sex as you. We should step up and accept people for who they are.

I'm straight and have nothing against gays/bisexuals. most of my friends are actually of that sexual nature. But sometimes i wish i was a lesbian so i could be treated nicely instead of boys being all icky LOL

Sometimes I wish for the same thing. I already like girls, and for some reason Lesbianism in more tollerable in today's society.

Being a bi (pan?) sexual myself and having had an especially hard time as a teenager because of my attraction to members of the same sex and some individuals not included in the accepted binary (yes traps go ahead and laugh I'm not ashamed anymore), I am of the opinion that it is more wrong to deny "alternate" sexualities than it could ever be to live and let live. The fact of the matter is that being in love (or in lust) with someone of the same sex literally doesn't hurt anybody, all it does is guarantee that some people won't be ending up with any unwanted offspring. Now what does hurt people a lot is calling that attraction, be it love or lust, wrong. Not only can a strong wording as we often hear in the United States entice those of lesser mental fortitude to commit acts of violence against those brave enough to be who they are; a person denying to him or her self his or her attractions becomes angry or frustrated and feels alienated and terrible about him or her self, and in some cases ends up committing acts of violence against others.

Homo and bi sexualities aren't wrong, putting a moral judgement on people who have them is.

I love these kinds of Debates.

I believe that sexual orientation is dependant only on the person himself/herself.

It is debatable wether or not that Homosexuality is a genetic disorder (With Bisexuality being a less serious "case"). But if it was, I doubt that a homosexual person would know wether it was his choice or a disease anyway.
Not to be offensive in any way at all, but an autistic individual has absolutely no idea that they are autistic. If a person is gay/lesbian, how would they know if it was genetic?
Exactly. They don't.

And another thing about Homo/Bi-sexuality, I think that there is a percentage that just wants attention. It has been recorded that there has been an increase in girls who are bisexual. Wether they are serious, or just want attention, it is unsure. But think about it, there isn't one individual who doesn't want attention.
Not one.

I personally like the homosexual population, they're nicer than the judgmental heterosexuals. Thay raise property value (only god knows the real reason why) they adopt orphaned children (Most people should know why) And are in general a great group. But at times, they are very annoying. Why do the Homosexuals get so much attention?

But I think every sexual orientation is fine.

Besides, how do I turn on other guys just for fun? It's not just because of what I do, It's because they are a little gay.
It's a lot of fun though

And for all of you religion freaks screaming that "God only wanted Heterosexual love on this planet!"
If Gays were removed from this Earth, who would adopt those poor orphans that god has cared for so much? (besides those straight couples afraid of sex)
Somethin' to think about.

I like to believe that everyone is actually bisexual, it's just that most people end up falling in love with someone of the opposite sex.
It seems most people here are a bit bisexual anyway

Please tell me that's a joke, because there are plenty of straight couples who OPT not to have kids, and plenty of people who have trouble conceiving or can't have children at all. Not to mention single people adopt as well.

This post has been edited by Crystal Shards: Jul 20 2009, 04:07 AM

Bizarrely enough, single GAY people adopt as well - I don't know why you seem to assume that single people who adopt are all straight.

The real problem with all the children who need adopting and aren't isn't just a shortage of potential adoptive parents - it's the straight parents who are obsessed with the idea that, because of what they do in bed, they have a God-given right to a BABY (and under their own logic, God has obviously decided they don't, or why wouldn't they conceive?) and won't even look at the older (older meaning 3+, for heaven's sake) children who desperately need placing. Because they neeeeeed a baby, and anything else is somehow cheating them of their rights as heterosexuals.

So let's not dismiss the need for same-sex couples and gay and lesbian folk who adopt children who desperately need love , security and therapuetic parenting, okay?

I didn't say single straight people. I was referring to single people in general, but I can see how in context that comment would have come off that way. I didn't assume anything though, and if you look at what I was commenting against, the case for gays adopting had already been made.

This post has been edited by Crystal Shards: Jul 20 2009, 04:31 AM

A small group of friends and I usually hang out on a Tuesday night, and last week, a male member of the group told us he had a secret that he was too scared to tell us. He'd taken a lot of shit from people over the past year at his new school, because he acts in a very erractic and somewhat steriotypical homosexual manner. However, us, his close friends, always new that he was just messing about.

He said that he didn't want to tell us in case we hated him for it, which to us seems impossible as he's just so loveable. He eventually told us that he'd met a guy to whom he was attracted.

Our reactions? "Oh right. So what's he like then? Cute? I bet he's cute. "

He actually sat there for ten minutes going...

People should be who they want to be, not who others think they should be. He's a lot happier now that we know, and we won't turn our backs on him just cause he's gay. Although the gay jokes will be coming think and fast XD

... yaaaahhhh... im gonna have to disagree with that. i may not have any problem with gay people as long as they arent in my face about it, but the thought of two guys doing sexual things with eachother still makes me want to vomit up my guts. im not at all bisexual.

Oh boy. I can't read this whole thread right now, so I'll just jump in with what I see straight away.

That's tough for me. See, I do believe in some sort of Kinsey scale logic exists, hence a large number of boys and girls being curious about the same sex in middle school and high school, but I don't think it's incredibly predominant.

For those of you that aren't aware of the Kinsey scale, it's basically a scale from 0-6, with 0 being exclusively heterosexual and 6 being completely homosexual. I do think that a large portion of people fall within the range of 1-5, with most being somewhat interested in the opposite of whatever is their dominant disposition, but I won't deny that there can't exist people in the 0 or 6 category.

I am bisexual myself. I didn't choose it. I sat up in bed one night and tried to think of why being around my best friend made me so happy, and thus I realized that I was in love. She'd saved my life once, you see, and I suppose that left a huge impact on me. I didn't just decide that I was going to love her, it happened :S And when I realized it was love, I wasn't freaked out or anything, because it just felt natural. Huh. How odd, eh? Since then I've never fallen as deeply in love, but I have been attracted to both males and females.

Not all guys are dicks, and people will still always mistreat you, so being a lesbian (or even gay or bisexual) won't change that.

First post of this thread frames homosexuality as a biological imperative, which I find pretty interesting. I'm not sure I really agree with that view - not that I believe it's a "choice", but I'm not sure that it really serves any evolutionary purpose. I mean sure, on a large scale it's better to have less people reproducing at this point in time, but that isn't really something you'd seem to evolve towards in that it doesn't really directly aid an individual in surviving? Unless you just meant that it happens to have worked out conveniently that some of the population has no desire to reproduce, in which case yeah.

People always talk about finding a "gay gene" but for some reason I just feel skeptical about that existing, or at least in such a simple form. It seems more likely that it would be a combination of environmental and genetic factors, or that the cause would vary from person to person, but who knows? That's why studies of homosexuality in nature as well as nature vs. nurture studies featuring twins and such are so relevant to this area of debate, or whatever you'd want to call it. fascinating stuff!

ANYWAY ENOUGH TRYING TO SOUND LIKE A SCIENTIST I look forward to the day when lines separating different sexualities and the boundaries of gender are blurred and forgotten, or at the very least are not considered an excuse to treat people badly.

And I honestly can't remember if it was a joke or not, but I remember debate saying that.
And Now that I re-read my post, I feel like a retard.



I know you're saying that you don't have anything against gays, but I thought I should take the opportunity to say that, everybody is a little bit gay.
(Clich the link)

Well, there are biological implications, especially with the multiple son thing that seems to occur. My aunt is a lesbian . . . I'm bisexual. It 'could' be coincidence, but I don't know, it seems interesting. It's possible there is a link.