Animal Cruelty, And other morally questionable actions in Pokemon |
May 9 2009, 02:46 AM
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Cuddlemaster. Group: Members Posts: 229 Joined: 24-April 09 From: Another world, fool. Member No.: 15 423 Canine Dream Team |
Does anyone else think, "Wow. This is kind of like dog fighting or cock fighting," sometimes when they think about Pokemon battles? By no means do I think Pokemon is promoting animal cruelty, but it is a little abusive xD; Some people say they would use Pokemon to battle even if they were real. But I doubt they think about the connection between that and animal cruelty either. What do you think?
On a semi-related note, I've also always wondered... how it okay to attack humans, like how Ash attacks Team Rocket, with lethal creatures like Pokemon? Thundershock would kill them. >>; [Yes, it is fantasy, but the connection made with reality is a little gruesome.] Also, why is it okay for Ash to catch any Pokemon he likes but not Team Rocket or other "bad" guys? And even catching Pokemon... It could be classified as neglect and abuse. Ash and other trainers store the majority of their Pokemon in their PC, and Ash only lets Pikachu walk around with him while the others are crammed into Pokeballs until a battle or emergency [again, dog fighting? xD]. Don't you think those Pokeballs would be... not so roomy? Do you think the Pokemon can think and feel emotion still while in the Pokeball? I'd think they would get restless and bored, at LEAST, if not extremely depressed. Not to mention Ash plays favoritism. Good thing little kids don't really notice these things. This post has been edited by PeachyMomo: May 9 2009, 11:37 AM -------------------- |
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May 22 2009, 05:16 PM
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Cuddlemaster. Group: Members Posts: 229 Joined: 24-April 09 From: Another world, fool. Member No.: 15 423 Canine Dream Team |
The only people taking it seriously are you - -; If you read the topic, you would have noticed, "Yes, it is fantasy, but the connection made with reality is a little gruesome." Get an imagination. God, how boring are you?
I debate serious issues all the time, so I make one Pokemon debate and you say we should debate serious issues? Annoying assumptions. Just leave instead of leaving useless, unwanted comments. This post has been edited by PeachyMomo: May 22 2009, 05:17 PM -------------------- |
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May 26 2009, 12:05 AM
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Giver of Odd Nicknames Group: Members Posts: 46 Joined: 8-April 09 From: Inside a marshmallow Member No.: 9 379 Team. Sort of. |
I think pokemon introduces the idea of animal enslavement. In one of the anime episodes, do you really think that a rapidash would let ash on his/her back? That's like horse back riding, you whip or spur the poor animal until it gets traumatised to let you ride on its back. I beg to differ on that horseback riding point, since that is not entirely the case. You do not actually have to whip a horse, they dislike the whip because it moves and makes noise. Besides, I think rapidash are more intelligent than horses, and it has been suggested that all pokemon are more intelligent than any animal (Alakazam, among others, being more intelligent than humans). It would've let Ash on its back because it trusted him. To me, it did not look like there were any whips or spurs involved (or saddles, which makes me wonder how Ash actually stayed on Rapidash's back). Just a Team Rocket plot gone awry. If I remember correctly, they scared it when it was a Ponyta, Ash calmed it down, and it only became a Rapidash mid-race. Eh-hm. I think Thundershock doesn't kill Team Rocket because really, if they died that easily, wouldn't they have already kicked the bucket when they fell out of the sky after blasting off? It has been proven that pokemon die (all the towers with pokemon cemetaries), although causes have not been stated. Old age and disease are probably more likely to blame. Oh, and Team Rocket (in the case of Cubone's mother). -------------------- My Pokemon & Eggs (click to show ) I click back as soon as I can. *with correct berries* I claim Silver Lucario (Brawl) Brawler Card (click to show ) |
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May 26 2009, 12:17 AM
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Veteran Group: +Donors Posts: 1 613 Joined: 29-July 08 From: Winnipeg, Manitoba Member No.: 2 482 Active Squad |
In my opinion, it's not abusive at all.
Pokemon seem to enjoy battling (if they win a decent number of times), besides, it's only a video game after all. Don't take it too seriously, folks This post has been edited by johnrichard1991: May 26 2009, 12:18 AM -------------------- |
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May 26 2009, 08:47 AM
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Professional Pokemon Wrangler Group: Members Posts: 24 Joined: 4-May 09 From: Newfoundland Member No.: 19 203 Type Mismatch |
Fissure, Guillotine, Horn Drill, and Sheer Cold are all instantly lethal
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May 26 2009, 08:55 AM
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Castiel = yummy Group: Members Posts: 945 Joined: 12-May 09 From: Britland Member No.: 22 237 -<3- |
I think it's just best not to think about it really. I mean you can make all those connections, but it's fantasy so normal rules don't apply i suppose
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May 26 2009, 04:58 PM
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Splash Group: Members Posts: 226 Joined: 23-January 08 From: The odd, tropical, planet known as Brazil. Member No.: 926 Active Squad |
The only people taking it seriously are you - -; If you read the topic, you would have noticed, "Yes, it is fantasy, but the connection made with reality is a little gruesome." Get an imagination. God, how boring are you? I debate serious issues all the time, so I make one Pokemon debate and you say we should debate serious issues? Annoying assumptions. Just leave instead of leaving useless, unwanted comments. As stated, I have indeed read the topic. And I have a very active imagination, thank you. I'm simply stating that debating about something as unimportant as Pokemon is pointless. I just stated my opinion, but it's your own fault for getting all defensive about it. I'm surprised you're so immature to say I should leave the site for merely stating my opinion. -------------------- Poliwhirl and Magnemite are claimed by me!
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Jun 19 2009, 06:03 PM
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Total Avatard Group: Members Posts: 42 Joined: 15-June 09 From: Northern Water tribe Member No.: 34 811 My dream team! |
Yeah, it's really weird how the injuries in Pokemon work. Team Rocket, for example, can be blasted half a mile away by a move that would have been lethal to a normal human, yet get up and walk away to try to get Pikachu in the next scene. However, Zoe trips and falls and sprains her ankle, and can't move the rest of the episode. Bizarre much?
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Jun 20 2009, 04:52 AM
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Gym Leader Group: Members Posts: 587 Joined: 5-June 09 From: Norway Member No.: 30 763 Team Awesome |
Yeah I have thought about it. And I often joke about it XD (Had a crack crossover fanfic once where I made an Animal Cops-like group who are basically insane and accuses everyone for animal abuse when two animals are fighting, regardless if they were forced to or not).
But what I really hate is how Ash accuses everyone of being mean for not having the same strategy as him or something... Take Paul for instance, he catches several pokčmon and then releases most of them because they don't have the moves he wants. Ash accuses him of being mean TO THE POKČMON HE RELEASED. Actually they're lucky, I'd be more worried about the poor thing he takes with him. Ash releases pokčmon left and right. Or "You beat up my pokčmon meanie!" That's what Pokčmon battles are about. YOU do it all the time. But hey what can you do. Ash is only ten years old (and has been for like 10 years...) so I guess I can't blame him for being childish.. -------------------- Uxie Anitarig Daisuke Weasley Sceptile Rika |
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Jun 22 2009, 05:53 PM
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Pkmn Trainer Roxas Group: Members Posts: 116 Joined: 2-June 09 Member No.: 29 848 Old Faithful |
Pokemon isn't animal cruelty they love to battle!
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Jun 29 2009, 11:44 AM
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Pokémon Trainer Group: Members Posts: 27 Joined: 29-June 09 From: Sweden Member No.: 40 048 Active Squad |
I don't think pokémon battles and dog fighting is comparable at all. The pokémon aren't forced to battle like dogs.. It's like comparing boxing with dog fighting.
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Jun 29 2009, 11:50 AM
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Pokémon Trainer Group: Members Posts: 129 Joined: 21-April 09 From: Ireland/Britain Member No.: 14 110 My Fantasy Team |
I was thinking about that the other day (about the animal cruelty bit) My friend and I then started a conversation on it and more. I was looking at some of the pokémon designs. They have similar features that of animals. I dont think it was meant to portayed at all in that kind of way but it does when you really think about. Still cool though. I wouldnt go out and pretend my dogs were pokémon and make them fight.
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Jun 29 2009, 12:12 PM
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I will devour your soul!!! Group: Members Posts: 245 Joined: 5-June 09 From: Balbriggan Co. Dublin Ireland Member No.: 30 869 Karnox Dark Squad |
well pokemon in the pc box arent actually in the box, they live in oak's back yard XD
then as for fighting, yeah they like it, its just like boxing, wrestling and karate humans enjoy it...well i do anyway (doing it not watching it of course) and i think your right about the whole team rocket thing, like it really isnt fair that team rocket cant catch other pokemon and also no one can catch legendaries too -------------------- |
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Jun 30 2009, 05:55 AM
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Pokémon Trainer Group: Members Posts: 27 Joined: 29-June 09 From: Sweden Member No.: 40 048 Active Squad |
Well, the reason why they don't want team rocket to caught pokémon is probably because they use them for crime or threat them badly. I think thats a pretty good reason, just like people who threat they animals badly shouldn't have them.
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Jun 30 2009, 12:35 PM
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Pokémon Trainer Group: Newbies Posts: 6 Joined: 30-June 09 Member No.: 40 610 Active Squad |
Y'know, I never thought about it like that.
I mean, I was pretty weirded out when they had the whole slowpoke tail thing. Like, "they can actually put that in the game!?" But here's another weird thought: If they don't have animals, just pokemon... What do they eat? xD; More importantly, what do the POKEMON eat? -------------------- |
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Jun 30 2009, 12:45 PM
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Let's decadence! Group: Members Posts: 85 Joined: 21-April 09 From: England Member No.: 14 114 Oh hai |
Wow, I've never thought about this before, 0.o and I suppose cramming Pokemon into tiny Pokeballs and then putting them inside a computer (how do you even do that?) is pretty bad, but you can't sugarcoat everything shown on TV.
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Jun 30 2009, 01:03 PM
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Pokémon Trainer Group: Members Posts: 143 Joined: 2-March 09 From: U.S.A Member No.: 5 289 My Shiny Party |
Nah, I think that those pokeballs are pretty roomy. I think that your ideas of it being animal cruelty is messed up and makes no sense whatsoever. These animals are made for this, and the attacks don't kill people, I think that Arceus made them that way.
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Jul 6 2009, 04:44 AM
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Group: Members Posts: 11 Joined: 19-May 09 Member No.: 24 882 |
I can't speak for the anime, but in the game they are just plot devices.
Your entire team of dragons and slugs can't plod around Kanto with you so they have to invent pokeballs. You can't carry 100 pokemon with you because that way, you'd never be defeated. You're supposed to try and only win with 6 pokemon. So they invented the PC, which is a convenient way of retrieving pokemon everywhere. When a pokemon 'faints' in battle, it has battled to its best of abilities before getting knocked out. They don't say 'die' because it doesn't sound good, but obviously your pokemon HAS to go down in some way or another. And as for team rocket... How are you gonna tell a 6 year old he can't be a pokemon master? Remember, they're selling these games to kids and they need to make the game run smoothly. I don't think they mean anything bad at all. -------------------- |
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Jul 10 2009, 01:46 AM
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Pokémon Trainer Group: Members Posts: 78 Joined: 3-May 09 Member No.: 18 885 Active Squad |
ok well yes catching pokemon and making them fight might be mean but it seems they want it. the creators made it that way. thats why Pokemon have personality in the show
yes it wrong how ash always stops team rocket from catching wild pokemon they are made into pure energy and put in the ball....i think -------------------- I click your whole party!! i dont update my sig often. just come to my profile! http://gpxplus.net/user/sqtodd if you want your Pokemon in my sig, pm me. you have to have my pokemon in your sig too. |
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Jul 13 2009, 03:43 PM
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Pokémon Trainer Group: Members Posts: 47 Joined: 1-July 09 From: Sinnoh: Where I am and where I always will be Member No.: 41 040 Active Squad |
Pokeballs are supposedly like space pockets, fortified with a hologram of the Pokemon's natural habitat. Or the Pokemon is turned into energy and is held inside the ball. Pokemon fighting isn't like animal fighting because they choose to do it, it's probable that the entire race has a fighting and 'pleasing the master' (like dogs) instinct. I also have a theory that Pokemon's moves are made out of energy, that only causes pain and supeficial damage to the body, witch explains how come Pokemon never bleed. It, however, when attacked enough, it can cause knockouts and even death. That's probably why Team Rocket never dies, the 'lightning' that Pikachu shoots isn't lightning at all, it's compressed energy given off by Pikachus. They probably lie on the ground frazzled for a couple miniutes then get back up and sulk. When a Pokemon is in a PC, maybe they're put into a 'hibernation' state until they're taken out? In the anime Ash just drops then off at Prof. Oak's. Bill originaly created the technology that did that, then it was elaborated on by others, such as Bebe. But I'm probably taking things to seriously. It really is just a game, PCs and Pokeballs are just plot devices......but the whole fighting thing still sends negatice moral issues to some and I think it is something that is worth discussing.
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Jul 20 2009, 06:07 PM
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Pokémon Trainer Group: Members Posts: 11 Joined: 8-June 09 Member No.: 32 309 Active Squad |
dude the difference is that the pokemon has a choice like they can run away or something dog are trained to kill sometimes and stuff
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