Tier List, [Last Updated: 17 October 2009] |
Apr 15 2009, 10:23 PM
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A New Era Group: +Donors Posts: 1 920 Joined: 2-July 07 From: United States Member No.: 28 Active Squad |
There are 2 tier lists now. Be sure to state which one you're using in your RMT threads if you have a non-OU team.
As a note, neither are completely set in stone either. They all change every once in a while. Smogon's Tier List (click to show ) RL's Tier List (click to show )
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Jul 5 2009, 05:23 PM
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Pokémon Trainer Group: Posts: 9 Joined: 19-June 09 From: The computer... duh! Member No.: 36 109 Active Squad |
We'll basically follow Smogon on this, since I consider them to be the undisputed experts on competitive battling and I kinda lead this forum. No questions asked. Uber - 23 Pokemon -Arceus -Darkrai -Deoxys -Deoxys-A -Deoxys-D -Deoxys-S -Dialga -Garchomp -Giratina -Groudon -Ho-Oh -Kyogre -Latios -Lugia -Manaphy -Mew -Mewtwo -Palkia -Rayquaza -Wobbuffet -Wynaut Overused - 54 Pokemon -Aerodactyl -Alakazam -Azelf -Blissey -Breloom -Bronzong -Celebi -Cresselia -Donphan -Dragonite -Dugtrio -Dusknoir -Electivire -Empoleon -Flygon -Forretress -Gengar -Gyarados -Heatran -Heracross -Hippowdon -Infernape -Jirachi -Jolteon -Kingdra -Latias -Lucario -Machamp -Magnezone -Metagross -Ninjask -Porygon-Z -Rhyperior -Salamence -Scizor -Skarmory -Smeargle -Snorlax -Starmie -Suicune -Swampert -Tentacruel -Togekiss -Tyranitar -Vaporeon -Weavile -Zapdos Borderline - 5 Pokemon -Abomasnow -Froslass -Gallade -Raikou -Staraptor Underused - 58 Pokemon -Absol -Altaria -Ambipom -Arcanine -Azumarill -Blastoise -Blaziken -Chansey -Charizard -Claydol -Clefable -Crobat -Drapion -Electrode -Espeon -Feraligatr -Gardevoir -Hitmonlee -Hitmontop -Honchkrow -Houndoom -Kabutops -Lanturn -Ludicolo -Magmortar -Mesprit -Milotic -Miltank -Mismagius -Moltres -Muk -Nidoking -Nidoqueen -Ninetales -Omastar -Poliwrath -Porygon2 -Primeape -Regirock -Registeel -Roserade -Rotom (Normal Form) -Sceptile -Scyther -Shaymin (Land Form) -Slowbro -Spiritomb -Steelix -Swellow -Torterra -Toxicroak -Typhlosion -Umbreon -Uxie -Venusaur -Weezing -Yanmega Never Used - 144 Pokemon -Anything not listed above. Notable Pokemon, though, are: -Aggron -Articuno -Cacturne -Cloyster -Cradily -Dodrio -Drifblim -Entei -Jynx -Lickilicky -Phione -Rampardos -Regice -Regigigas -Relicanth -Sharpedo -Shedinja -Shiftry -Slaking -Tangrowth -Tauros -Walrein -Zangoose This list is largely incomplete, the most obvious ones that need work are UU and NU. Smogon is currently sorting these out, so this is definitely not permanent. That's not true! Read GTS's tier list! |
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Jul 5 2009, 05:48 PM
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A New Era Group: +Donors Posts: 1 920 Joined: 2-July 07 From: United States Member No.: 28 Active Squad |
GTS+'s tier list is largely outdated.
Also, it wasn't really necessary to quote the whole entire first post, I have the mental capacity to comprehend the fact that you're talking about the tier list >> This post has been edited by Black Ice: Jul 5 2009, 05:49 PM -------------------- |
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Jul 7 2009, 03:03 PM
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Pokémon Trainer Group: Members Posts: 45 Joined: 21-June 09 Member No.: 36 859 Active Squad |
Well, yesterday, the new tier lists came out... Dugtrio and Donphan were booted from OU and put in UU. Umbreon was promoted from UU to OU. Tangrowth was promoted from NU to UU. Gardevoir, Muk, Ninetales, Poliwrath, and Primape are now NU because of little usage in UU.
I'm not sure if you were going to add this, so I'm posting just in case... -------------------- |
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Jul 19 2009, 04:04 PM
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Look closer. Group: +Donors Posts: 2 295 Joined: 9-July 07 Member No.: 72 Active Squad |
Last I recall, Articuno was Borderline, and I thought that Speed Deoxys was Overused because of its crappy Attack and Defense stats.
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Jul 19 2009, 10:13 PM
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A New Era Group: +Donors Posts: 1 920 Joined: 2-July 07 From: United States Member No.: 28 Active Squad |
You're a bit behind, Deoxys-s has been uber for months now.
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Jul 20 2009, 02:57 PM
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Back From Hiatus Group: Members Posts: 128 Joined: 16-February 09 From: Great Britain ^_^ Member No.: 3 899 The Team |
Eh, not to badger here but I find Smogons tiers a bit ... lacking.
I know that Smogons are generally the internet wide accepted tiers but may I suggest using Regileagues tiers ? Rather than basing the pokemons tier on usage, they base it on how effective the pokemon is. This means UU wont be dominated by pokemon like Azumarril, who boasts an immense attack stat and most definitely the movepool and typing to go with it. Just a suggetion. If you want, I can provide a link. -------------------- |
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Jul 23 2009, 05:38 PM
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A New Era Group: +Donors Posts: 1 920 Joined: 2-July 07 From: United States Member No.: 28 Active Squad |
The tier list will be updated before the end of the week.
EDIT: Went ahead and updated them just now. They should be up-to-date now. This post has been edited by Black Ice: Jul 23 2009, 06:12 PM -------------------- |
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Jul 27 2009, 02:43 PM
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Pokémon Trainer Group: Members Posts: 45 Joined: 21-February 09 From: Cali Member No.: 5 161 Active Squad |
Needs more uber Tyranitar.
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Jul 28 2009, 11:54 AM
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A New Era Group: +Donors Posts: 1 920 Joined: 2-July 07 From: United States Member No.: 28 Active Squad |
Why exactly should Tyranitar be uber now? Give me one good reason.
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Jul 30 2009, 05:01 AM
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Back From Hiatus Group: Members Posts: 128 Joined: 16-February 09 From: Great Britain ^_^ Member No.: 3 899 The Team |
Why exactly should Tyranitar be uber now? Give me one good reason. Like many other idiots, he simply thinks that because his team cant handle it, it should be Uber. Right. Begin rant. Tyranitar, while extremely powerful, sporting a base 134 attack, is very easly countered. DDTar is laughed at by Swampert, while CBTar is completely shut down by Rest Talk Machamp, resisting both of its STAB moves and sporting enough HP and Def to not care about its other moves. Tyraniboah is by far the hardest one to counter. However, Hariyama sports resistances to Crunch, Stone Edge and with the aid of Thick Fat, Ice Beam and Flamethrower, meaning the only attack it has to worry about it Focus Punch. Poliwrath also sports the same resistances, again only needing to worry about Focus Punch. All in all, Tyranitar is too counterable to even begin thinking about being moved to Ubers. -------------------- |
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Oct 16 2009, 12:45 PM
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Teh Pokémaster Group: Members Posts: 37 Joined: 8-October 09 Member No.: 67 236 Active Squad |
Why exactly should Tyranitar be uber now? Give me one good reason. Like many other idiots, he simply thinks that because his team cant handle it, it should be Uber. Right. Begin rant. Tyranitar, while extremely powerful, sporting a base 134 attack, is very easly countered. DDTar is laughed at by Swampert, while CBTar is completely shut down by Rest Talk Machamp, resisting both of its STAB moves and sporting enough HP and Def to not care about its other moves. Tyraniboah is by far the hardest one to counter. However, Hariyama sports resistances to Crunch, Stone Edge and with the aid of Thick Fat, Ice Beam and Flamethrower, meaning the only attack it has to worry about it Focus Punch. Poliwrath also sports the same resistances, again only needing to worry about Focus Punch. All in all, Tyranitar is too counterable to even begin thinking about being moved to Ubers. I believe anything with a base stat over 600 should be classified an uber. I know plenty of pokes with a 600 base stat that can tare appart a wobbafet, and a few others on that list. I know, my dragonite and salamence has done so... Even some of those legends can be beaten. This post has been edited by Sublem: Oct 16 2009, 12:45 PM -------------------- |
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Oct 16 2009, 12:53 PM
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A New Era Group: +Donors Posts: 1 920 Joined: 2-July 07 From: United States Member No.: 28 Active Squad |
I don't see why they should. An uber is pretty much something that would centralize OU. If you stuck Kyogre or Rayquaza or Darkrai in OU, you'd see every team with one. Same with pretty much all the other ubers. Garchomp was kind of the same way in that nearly everyone used it, which is why Smogon stuck it in ubers. And before anyone else tries to make this argument, Garchomp was used much much more than Tyranitar, Metagross, Salamence, or Dragonite.
Metagross is already OU. Does every team have a counter for it? No. Does everyone use it? No. Which is why we wouldn't call it uber. Same with all the other base 600s, which I'm assuming you're talking about. Because no OU Pokemon has a base stat over 600. And another note, base 600's are all much easier to counter than ubers within the OU metagame. True fact. If you're trying to pick arguments with me for the sake of picking arguments, at least put some thought in there. This post has been edited by Suikun: Oct 16 2009, 12:55 PM -------------------- |
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Oct 16 2009, 01:01 PM
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Teh Pokémaster Group: Members Posts: 37 Joined: 8-October 09 Member No.: 67 236 Active Squad |
I wasn't talking about taking pokemon out of the Uber list, I was talking about adding some, Garchomp was killing the OU's in the metagame, that's why he is an Uber, but the pokemon you have mentioned would kill countless OU's and put up a very good battle with some of the Ubers.
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Oct 16 2009, 01:06 PM
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A New Era Group: +Donors Posts: 1 920 Joined: 2-July 07 From: United States Member No.: 28 Active Squad |
I know you weren't. I was making an example of why Ubers are considered Uber. And I also stated the Garchomp case already.
Read my whole post. Because you didn't counter it, I'll assume you couldn't. So I'll just stick a quote back in here. QUOTE I don't see why they should. An uber is pretty much something that would centralize OU. None of the base 600's centralize the game as much as Garchomp did. I'd say around 60% or less teams actually use any of the base 600's. -------------------- |
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Oct 16 2009, 01:14 PM
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Teh Pokémaster Group: Members Posts: 37 Joined: 8-October 09 Member No.: 67 236 Active Squad |
Um, Manaphy, Latios, latias, Wobbafet (who has like a 440 base stat) and mew all have a base stat of 600, and mew is used allot...
And, LIKE I SAID, Dragonite and Salamence are powerful enough to be in there... Dragonite has a nice move list to counter pokes like skarmory, and even some ice types, the same goes for salamence. This post has been edited by Sublem: Oct 16 2009, 01:17 PM -------------------- |
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Oct 16 2009, 01:24 PM
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A New Era Group: +Donors Posts: 1 920 Joined: 2-July 07 From: United States Member No.: 28 Active Squad |
They could be in there, but they don't have to be. They fit in OU just fine. Seaking works surprisingly well in Ubers, but it sucks in UU and OU. Does that mean it's uber? No.
I meant base 600's as Salamence/Dragonite/Metagross/Tyranitar. Sorry for not pointing that out. Manaphy and Latias are OU. Latias without Soul Dew really isn't that good. -------------------- |
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Oct 16 2009, 01:30 PM
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Teh Pokémaster Group: Members Posts: 37 Joined: 8-October 09 Member No.: 67 236 Active Squad |
You're right about latias, but manaphy is... I dunno why, but he is.
And that's what seperates Dragonite and the rest from Seaking, Dragonite, Salamence, Tyranitar, and Metagross can put up a fight with the ubers, and they can just about tare up the OU teir. -------------------- |
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Oct 16 2009, 01:40 PM
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A New Era Group: +Donors Posts: 1 920 Joined: 2-July 07 From: United States Member No.: 28 Active Squad |
They don't tear up OU. They're all easily countered. Not everyone uses them. Therefore, they're not Uber.
I don't see the point of this argument. Pretty much everyone except you accepts the fact that the base 600's aren't Ubers. Nothing's gonna change. This post has been edited by Black Ice: Oct 16 2009, 01:40 PM -------------------- |
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Oct 16 2009, 02:56 PM
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Teh Pokémaster Group: Members Posts: 37 Joined: 8-October 09 Member No.: 67 236 Active Squad |
Can't say that, it may in later gens.
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