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QUOTE(Manticore @ Aug 1 2010, 01:21 PM) ![*](style_images/normal/post_snapback.gif) But please, we can haz REAL sex education in schools? I'm absolutely POSITIVE that if kids are taught about birth control and not just 'SEX IS BAD, U GET DISEEZ AND FORM BABBY' That the abortion rate will drop DRAMATICALLY. QFT. Also don't forget "GOD CRIES WHEN YOU HAVE SEX". Otherwise I'm Pro-Life. No I'm not going to try to argue with all of you Pro-Choicers because I'm going to lose and I don't want you all to change my views. Fact. And if you've read my other debate posts, I'M NOT RELIGIOUS. Let me repeat that. I'M NOT RELIGIOUSSo there will be no religion in my stance. This will be pure science. Myth: The fetus is not a human.False. A fetus is a human. It is a genetic combination of two human parents, a father and a mother. It has its own set of DNA that is exclusive to it and it alone. Identical twins/triplets/etc. are split from the same zygote. As soon as the egg is fertilized, the zygote becomes its own living thing. It has its own set of DNA. Day 21, heartbeat starts. That's three weeks, people. Most women don't know they're pregnant until after this time. Stopping a beating heart = death. Intentionally stopping a beating heart = murder.Myth: The fetus is not human until it can survive on its own, aka outside the womb.False. The fetus has its own heartbeat, brainwave pattern, and breathing pattern. It receives nutrients from the mother. That is all. Oh, and let's not forget the fact that a newborn baby cannot survive on its own. It needs to be nurtured by another human so that it can survive. Just because it's no longer getting nutrients via umbilical cord, it doesn't mean that it can't get up and walk on its own. Or get its own food. Now onto stats. Rape/Incest cases only make up 5% of all abortions. Most abortions are "social abortions". Aka "I don't want a baby for __________________________ reason". Fill in the blank with whatever lame-ass excuse made up. Money, responsibility, time. Social abortion =/= rape abortion. Also I'd like to point out that when the fertilized egg is stuck in the fallopian tubes, called an "ectopic pregnancy", is 100% fatal for the fetus and almost always fatal for the mother. It also makes the mother infertile. Removing a fetus from ectopic pregnancy =/= abortion. That fetus will not live. Ever.
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QUOTE(Caesar Augustus @ Aug 2 2010, 10:09 AM) ![*](style_images/normal/post_snapback.gif) Myth: The fetus is not human until it can survive on its own, aka outside the womb. False. The fetus has its own heartbeat, brainwave pattern, and breathing pattern. It receives nutrients from the mother. That is all. Oh, and let's not forget the fact that a newborn baby cannot survive on its own. It needs to be nurtured by another human so that it can survive. Just because it's no longer getting nutrients via umbilical cord, it doesn't mean that it can't get up and walk on its own. Or get its own food. Addressing this, I prefer to say a fetus isn't viable before a certain point, it may have a beating heart or brain activity but as a whole, if you were to remove it from the womb, it's so underdeveloped that it cannot survive. It doesn't have an immune system, its lungs cannot breathe, its skin is often so thin and weak you can't even touch it without it tearing. To me it's akin to cracking an egg before the animal inside is ready to come out.
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And I pay no attention to po... Apr 19 2011, 10:15 PM Skins T QUOTE(Romeo @ Apr 20 2011, 01:05 PM) like... Apr 19 2011, 10:43 PM The Contributor Spoiler (click to showhide)
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