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Abortion
Lord Raven
post Aug 1 2010, 02:33 AM
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I'm pro-choice cause I believe in freedom of choice yadda yadda yadda i don't give a shit enough anymore to give the full reasoning behind my viewpoint


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No one uses the term "Pro-abortion" even if you are an abortion supporter, you wouldn't use that term. Really in the argument it's either "pro-life" or "pro-choice". Whether those who agree with abortion as a right thing or not if you think it's up to the individuals right to choose then you are pro-choice. I, personally, would take offense to someone calling me "pro-abortion" (though I am) there is just a more euphemistic way of putting it (and it does spark instant debate if called it in public.) But Pro-choice can be applied to other things like gay-marriage.


I've seen many Pro-Lifer's group those who are pro-abortion and pro-choice together in the one group, and the Pro-Choicer's argueing that what you are saying isn't the case. You'll find that many people who identify as pro-choice may or may not identify as pro-abortion.

You are one that does, I'm one that doesn't. It's not meant as an offense to you so much as a differing of opinion on what someone chooses to support.

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well if you have sex without contraception at a time when a child isn't ideal isn't that your fault if your life takes a turn for the worst....?


Whose fault? The mother's or the fathers? A friend of mine engaged in consensual sex with a partner who removed his condom without her consent. Should she be blamed for getting pregnant?

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(rape is different)


No, it isn't. The end result is the same. How the child got conceived should not matter.

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if you chose to abort then you will have to live with the fact that your life could have been different (better or worse) and that you could have a had that child and if everything worked out it could have been amazing.


I'll word this another way:

if you chose not to abort then you will have to live with the fact that your life could have been different (better or worse) and that you could have not a had that child and if everything worked out it could have been amazing.

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i would like to think that in most cases i would keep the child, but prolly i wouldn't, but i do think it would hurt to think that i was too immature/selfish to try and make it work.


So if a 9 year old is raped, falls pregnant, and gets an abortion, do you think she's selfish?

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After years of being pro-life I have just come to the conclusion that I am pro-choice. But I am only pro-choice in certain situations: rape, the woman's life is in danger, the baby might not live and birth defects/genetic disorders. If a woman (teenagers, etc) decides to have sex without protection and knows full well that she could become pregnant by not using protection and becomes pregnant and wants to have an abortion, I have no sympathy for them at all. Accidents happen but it's not an accident when you choose not to use protection. Those women should pick adoption. The adoption rates for infants are very high and the child will more than likely go to a good family.


*Laughs bitterly. HARD*

Even if adoption rates for infants are high, are you aware that, according to adoption rates, about 1 in 100 children are actually adopted into 'good' families?

And also, I'll ask you the same question as the poster above: Why is how the fetus is conceived matter to you? The end result is the same no matter how it happened: the fetus gets aborted. Instead of judging woman for aborting, why not judge those who seek to stop sexual education, the root of problems in regards to this?

I also find it extremely ironic that you consider yourself better than other woman, considering you had an abortion. What, are you above other woman, are you? You're exactly the same as every other woman whose ever had an abortion. You had sex, you got pregnant, you had an abortion. It's as simple as that.

I implore you to read this: http://mypage.direct.ca/w/writer/anti-tales.html Enjoy.

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And as a response to the fetus not being able to feel pain, a fetus can feel pain as early as 16 weeks.


Wrong. This was proven as false and pro-life propaganda.

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I'm against abortion. You should pay for your mistakes, it breaks my heart when i see aborted young babys who will never get a chance in this world. Imagine, thousands of people "TRY" to make babies all the time but they sadly dont succeed with their plans to make a family. My friends mom was trying for 20 years to have a child, the doctor said it will be a miracle if she got pregnaent and if she did, the baby will surely die within a month, my friends mom proved that doctor square wrong <3 :] this topic is so . . . . ehhhh....


Once again, I'll reword this:

I'm against abortion. The child should pay for your mistakes, it breaks my heart when i see young woman who will never get a chance in this world.

And no amount of aborted babies will make your mother, or anyone else who is sterile, fertile. Think about that.


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I'm against abortion. You should pay for your mistakes, it breaks my heart when i see aborted young babys who will never get a chance in this world. Imagine, thousands of people "TRY" to make babies all the time but they sadly dont succeed with their plans to make a family. My friends mom was trying for 20 years to have a child, the doctor said it will be a miracle if she got pregnaent and if she did, the baby will surely die within a month, my friends mom proved that doctor square wrong <3 :] this topic is so . . . . ehhhh....


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Once again, I'll reword this:



I'm against abortion. The child should pay for your mistakes, it breaks my heart when i see young woman who will never get a chance in this world.

And no amount of aborted babies will make your mother, or anyone else who is sterile, fertile. Think about that.


bucktooth.gif hmmmm... what a democrat answer?


I did not think it was necessary to reword or dissect and switch around little words in my sentence?

Did you even read among the whole statement I put about this topic? I said "friends mother" my mother did have 2 wonderful, beautiful children, my brother & I. She had one mis-carriage bucktooth.gif so yeah, why don't you think about that when your aborting your 7 month old baby who couldv'e been the next person to make an antidote for Aids or Cancer wink.gif Just Saying !



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Lord Raven   Abortion   Aug 1 2010, 02:33 AM
Stardust Snorter   I believe in choice as well. I'm all for havin...   Aug 1 2010, 02:34 AM
PikaDiety   Okay, just gonna state my opinion and run right no...   Aug 1 2010, 02:36 AM
Galahawk   As I stated in the previous discussion, I am pro-c...   Aug 1 2010, 02:37 AM
The Mad Hatter   lol some minor copy paste. If the girl has sex un...   Aug 1 2010, 02:37 AM
Lord Raven   i've said this before, but that's almost a...   Aug 1 2010, 02:41 AM
The Mad Hatter   Yes, but the child could go up for adoption as soo...   Aug 1 2010, 02:43 AM
Kod   QUOTE(The Mad Hatter @ Aug 1 2010, 02:43 ...   Aug 8 2010, 05:50 PM
Reyo   Pretty much still the same. Rape, the risk of bir...   Aug 1 2010, 02:44 AM
Stardust Snorter   Depends on the age in that regard if the teen had ...   Aug 1 2010, 02:45 AM
The Mad Hatter   QUOTE(Stardust Snorter @ Aug 1 2010, 03:4...   Aug 1 2010, 02:48 AM
PikaDiety   QUOTE(The Mad Hatter @ Aug 1 2010, 03:43 ...   Aug 1 2010, 02:46 AM
Stardust Snorter   Indeed. I hate the foster care system. The time I ...   Aug 1 2010, 02:48 AM
Galahawk   It may have been irresponsible, but it's still...   Aug 1 2010, 02:49 AM
Master Element   My reasoning is short on this matter If the woman...   Aug 1 2010, 02:56 AM
Breeder Drew   Okay guys. I'm sorry for acting like that. I s...   Aug 1 2010, 03:14 AM
Phovos the Raptor   I'm gonna be quick with this. If the child is...   Aug 1 2010, 10:10 AM
joker   On the moral side....abortion is horrible if done ...   Aug 1 2010, 10:36 AM
Breeder Drew   QUOTE(joker @ Aug 1 2010, 11:36 AM) On th...   Aug 1 2010, 11:55 AM
Galahawk   QUOTE(joker @ Aug 1 2010, 11:36 AM) On th...   Aug 1 2010, 03:52 PM
Crystal Shards   QUOTE(Galahawk @ Aug 1 2010, 03:52 PM) I ...   Aug 1 2010, 05:56 PM
Manticore   QUOTE(Galahawk @ Aug 1 2010, 04:52 PM) ED...   Aug 1 2010, 09:24 PM
Galahawk   QUOTE(Manticore @ Aug 1 2010, 10:24 PM) Q...   Aug 1 2010, 10:00 PM
PikaDiety   QUOTE(joker @ Aug 1 2010, 11:36 AM) On th...   Aug 1 2010, 12:02 PM
Crystal Shards   Copy/pasta from last thread: I think these two vi...   Aug 1 2010, 12:18 PM
Annakyoyama358   QUOTE(Crystal Shards @ Aug 1 2010, 01:18 ...   Aug 3 2010, 09:46 AM
Manticore   Choice plz. But please, we can haz REAL sex educat...   Aug 1 2010, 12:21 PM
Caesar Augustus   QUOTE(Manticore @ Aug 1 2010, 01:21 PM) B...   Aug 2 2010, 09:09 AM
Manticore   QUOTE(Caesar Augustus @ Aug 2 2010, 10:09...   Aug 2 2010, 10:07 AM
Reyo   QUOTE(Manticore @ Aug 2 2010, 11:07 AM) Q...   Aug 2 2010, 01:02 PM
Rivals   Logical pick: The mother should decide. If she did...   Aug 3 2010, 11:58 AM
Crystal Shards   QUOTE(Rivals @ Aug 3 2010, 11:58 AM) Logi...   Aug 3 2010, 01:57 PM
Caesar Augustus   QUOTE(Crystal Shards @ Aug 3 2010, 02:57 ...   Aug 3 2010, 02:20 PM
Annakyoyama358   QUOTE(Caesar Augustus @ Aug 3 2010, 03:20...   Aug 3 2010, 07:07 PM
Crystal Shards   QUOTE(Caesar Augustus @ Aug 3 2010, 02:20...   Aug 3 2010, 07:41 PM
Rivals   I did not know that.   Aug 3 2010, 07:40 PM
Rivals   Fine. Take it off the list.   Aug 3 2010, 07:57 PM
Gryphaena   I don't like abortion but I accept that people...   Aug 8 2010, 12:00 AM
Annakyoyama358   QUOTE(Gryphaena @ Aug 8 2010, 01:00 AM) I...   Aug 13 2010, 10:17 AM
Caesar Augustus   QUOTE(Annakyoyama358 @ Aug 13 2010, 11:17...   Aug 14 2010, 12:37 PM
Crystal Shards   My friend posted this article to his Facebook, and...   Aug 9 2010, 07:30 PM
DrMmmPie   QUOTETaken from Dogma BETHANY Well thank you for b...   Aug 13 2010, 09:08 PM
pichu egg   I'm pro-choice. 1. I'm not a Bible-thump...   Oct 28 2010, 04:57 PM
nikki101709   I support abortion. Although it's a sad proc...   Nov 20 2010, 11:47 AM
jhunter   I'm pro choice, even though I will never be ab...   Nov 23 2010, 10:55 PM
evolutionrex   I believe it's a mother's choice, but I...   Nov 26 2010, 03:27 PM
Sladin4Ever   I am pro-choice and neutral-abortion, meaning I...   Mar 6 2011, 06:29 AM
ForeverIsNow   Abortion is a weird subject for me. If you had sex...   Mar 24 2011, 04:58 PM
MoogleSam   QUOTE(ForeverIsNow @ Mar 24 2011, 09:58 P...   Mar 24 2011, 06:53 PM
Mercenary Raven   i'm pretty sure a select few of those kids put...   Mar 24 2011, 07:03 PM
Iconox   Sorry if I've already posted here (can't t...   Mar 24 2011, 10:21 PM
MoogleSam   QUOTE(Mercenary Raven @ Mar 25 2011, 12:0...   Mar 25 2011, 03:23 AM
Mercenary Raven   I still find abortion depressing because you'r...   Mar 25 2011, 11:28 AM
MoogleSam   QUOTE(Mercenary Raven @ Mar 25 2011, 04:2...   Mar 25 2011, 05:18 PM
Iconox   QUOTE(MoogleSam @ Mar 25 2011, 06:18 PM) ...   Mar 25 2011, 08:47 PM
Mercenary Raven   I mean we can beat around the bush with "what...   Mar 25 2011, 09:59 PM
Kira Wolf   I cannot remember if I posted here before, but I d...   Mar 26 2011, 05:18 PM
Mercenary Raven   I find your stance contradictory, because it's...   Mar 27 2011, 01:11 AM
Kira Wolf   Ah...yes. I apologize for my post, if it did not m...   Mar 27 2011, 06:23 AM
Mercenary Raven   Oh no, it made perfect sense, sorry if I worded my...   Mar 27 2011, 11:55 AM
MoogleSam   QUOTE(Kira Wolf @ Mar 26 2011, 11:18 PM) ...   Mar 27 2011, 01:01 PM
Iconox   Yeah, those are all reasons that people would use ...   Mar 27 2011, 02:23 PM
PikaDiety   Uh, abortion isn't murder.>.> That is on...   Mar 27 2011, 10:23 PM
Mercenary Raven   MoogleSam, I'm not sure who you're trying ...   Mar 28 2011, 11:35 PM
Iconox   When did I say I wasn't pro-choice? If you wan...   Mar 28 2011, 06:21 PM
MoogleSam   QUOTE(Mercenary Raven @ Mar 29 2011, 05:3...   Mar 29 2011, 04:45 PM
Blueberry   I really do think abortions should just be legaliz...   Apr 5 2011, 10:33 PM
Skins T   I've noticed that a lot of people seem to miss...   Apr 13 2011, 06:41 AM
Blueberry   @Skin-T: No one uses the term "Pro-abortion...   Apr 14 2011, 12:04 PM
daniff   well if you have sex without contraception at a t...   Apr 15 2011, 03:42 AM
Galahawk   QUOTE(daniff @ Apr 15 2011, 04:42 AM) wel...   Apr 15 2011, 03:06 PM
amberfunk   After years of being pro-life I have just come to ...   Apr 18 2011, 06:40 PM
Iconox   QUOTE(amberfunk)...high likelihood that the child ...   Apr 18 2011, 07:26 PM
amberfunk   QUOTE(Iconox @ Apr 18 2011, 07:26 PM) QUO...   Apr 18 2011, 08:09 PM
Romeo   I'm against abortion. You should pay for your ...   Apr 18 2011, 08:31 PM
The Contributor   Freedom of choice, definitely. Women should do wha...   Apr 19 2011, 12:02 PM
amberfunk   QUOTE(Skins T)*Laughs bitterly. HARD* Even if ado...   Apr 19 2011, 02:51 PM
Mercenary Raven   QUOTE(amberfunk @ Apr 19 2011, 03:51 PM) ...   Apr 19 2011, 07:20 PM
The Contributor   Well it certainly seems that your day hasn't b...   Apr 19 2011, 07:51 PM
amberfunk   QUOTE(Romeo @ Apr 19 2011, 03:15 PM) Did ...   Apr 19 2011, 08:25 PM
Romeo   QUOTEIn the u.s. it's illegal to abort that fa...   Apr 19 2011, 08:42 PM
Mercenary Raven   QUOTE(The Contributor @ Apr 19 2011, 08:5...   Apr 19 2011, 09:21 PM
The Contributor   QUOTE(Mercenary Raven @ Apr 19 2011, 10:2...   Apr 19 2011, 09:36 PM
Skins T   QUOTE(amberfunk)I never said that I was better tha...   Apr 19 2011, 09:46 PM
Romeo   like you said, Opinions are opinions and in my ...   Apr 19 2011, 10:05 PM
Mercenary Raven   QUOTETypical American response, aligning me to a p...   Apr 19 2011, 10:11 PM
The Contributor   I'm American. And I pay no attention to po...   Apr 19 2011, 10:15 PM
Skins T   QUOTE(Romeo @ Apr 20 2011, 01:05 PM) like...   Apr 19 2011, 10:43 PM
The Contributor   Spoiler (click to showhide) I rest my case. ~ Ab...   Apr 19 2011, 10:56 PM
Skins T   It isn't so much common sense is so much that ...   Apr 19 2011, 11:00 PM
The Contributor   I don't know about you, but I find condoms rat...   Apr 19 2011, 11:11 PM
Skins T   Uh, I have a friend who cannot use any form of con...   Apr 19 2011, 11:18 PM
Mercenary Raven   QUOTEMhm, because I totally said that. :/ I have ...   Apr 19 2011, 11:25 PM
Skins T   I've debated this issue and others on many sit...   Apr 20 2011, 12:30 AM
The Contributor   "You're such a Democrat!" ...   Apr 20 2011, 12:38 AM
amberfunk   QUOTE(Romeo @ Apr 19 2011, 08:42 PM) KNOW...   Apr 20 2011, 12:49 AM
Iconox   Fetuses feel pain anywhere from 18 to 29 weeks; re...   Apr 20 2011, 08:26 PM
amberfunk   QUOTE(Iconox @ Apr 20 2011, 08:26 PM) Fet...   Apr 20 2011, 08:41 PM

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