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Posted by: Wymsy Jun 17 2008, 11:39 AM

Yes, after the couple of threads made in the Ranting Zone about it, I want an actual debate about cheating in Pokémon games. Basically, we will be answering and arguing amongst these points:

• Is cheating good or bad, or is it mixed depending on the situation?
• Why do you think people cheat?
• Does exploiting glitches count as cheating, or does it depend on what exactly the glitch does?
• What do you think of people who trade hacked Pokémon?
• What do you think of people who do not cheat themselves but will still accept hacked Pokémon from others knowing full well the Pokémon are hacked?
• What do you think of the people who use Pokémon created by things like Pokésav to battle others?
• What is your stance on cloned Pokémon?
• Do you think that cloned Pokémon devalue certain types of Pokémon (shinies, event Pokémon, etc.)?

Posted by: crissy66 Jun 17 2008, 12:55 PM

QUOTE(Wymsy @ Jun 17 2008, 11:39 AM)

Posted by: Darck Jun 17 2008, 01:05 PM

Alright my take on cheating.

I agree on number 1, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7 (Because I clone )

I disagree on 2..and 8 simply because

2 - of all the 'cheaters' I've run into they hack there pokemon's IV or EV's, True they also hack the items and certain pokemon they cant get because of events or lack of owning a certain game.

8 - I cant clone my darkrai... It wont let me.

Oh and @Crissy ...quoting such a long post for a one line reply...is really really REALLY annoying.

Posted by: TCoZ Jun 17 2008, 01:19 PM

1) Mixed. There are a lot of games where if not for hacking, we would know a lot less about the game. If people cheat and make super pokémon, but either a) don't trade and battle against humans with them or b) trade and battle only if the opponent/partner is okay with it, that's fine too, because they're not affecting anyone, but people hacking pokémon just to trade and/or battle against humans without telling them is wrong.

2) Sometimes to find out more about the game, sometimes to complete the game quickly, sometimes to make the game easier, sometimes to trade with people to get really good legit pokémon, sometimes to win against people, and sometimes for no reason but it's fun.

3) No. It's the programmers' fault.

4) They're fine, provided they they tell people the pokémon are hacked before the trade.

5) Nothing wrong with that, surely?

6) As I said for 4, it's fine, provided they tell people the pokémon are hacked before the trade.

7) It's fine. It helps trading, and breeding an amazing pokémon is even more valuable, because you can trade it more than once.

8) Yes, but that's not a problem.

Posted by: crissy66 Jun 17 2008, 01:20 PM

QUOTE(Darck @ Jun 17 2008, 01:05 PM)

Alright my take on cheating.

I agree on number 1, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7 (Because I clone )

I disagree on 2..and 8 simply because

2 - of all the 'cheaters' I've run into they hack there pokemon's IV or EV's, True they also hack the items and certain pokemon they cant get because of events or lack of owning a certain game.

8 - I cant clone my darkrai... It wont let me.

Oh and @Crissy ...quoting such a long post for a one line reply...is really really REALLY annoying.

Posted by: Rhonut Jun 17 2008, 03:15 PM

Ok, here goes:

1. Is cheating good or bad, or is it mixed depending on the situation?
Mixed me thinks. Sometimes when people can't get to events or don't live in that area (like me, grr) then they have no way of getting poke's like deoxy or shaymin etc etc. I see this as unfair as the game gives the american and the japanese all these new features, while we in those other countries pay the same amount of money for these games yet we can't do as much on it because of where we live. Hacking (which some may say is a form of cheating) simply gives us the features we normally don't get. However, hacking can be over used to max out pokemon stats or give them illegal moves which means if someone wants a fair battle with someone they may not always get it and i think it kind of detracts from the whole purpose of the game and isn't as fun or as rewarding. Other types of cheating like missigno (from red, blue and yellow) to get mew or 100's of mater balls also kind of detract from the fun value of the game, what fun is it to catch all 150 poke's so easy and then you have no sense of accomplishment. I remember when i complete my yellow version 100%, i thought it was ace after all the work i'd put in (and the hour or so i just sat clicking to buy 9999 coins for the last pokemon on my list: porygon). I'll get onto cloning later.

2. Why do you think people cheat?
See the first half of question 1. Mainly to get all legendaries, fill the pokedex or trounce their friends in battle.

3. Does exploiting glitches count as cheating, or does it depend on what exactly the glitch does?
See question 1 again. Exploiting features in the game (like glitching in many other games) that weren't meant to be there is cheating in my eyes, especially when they can end in undesirable results or a huge advantage of some kind. Some glitches though like the one in yellow, red and blue where you get to that stupid island by flying from the safari zone give no extra advantage to the game and so i don't think it can really be classed as cheating.

4. What do you think of people who trade hacked Pokémon?
Well, it depends. First i'll deal with the sending end of the trade. If the person trading their hack does not tell the receiver it's a hack then i just think thats really low, especially when their getting a legit pokemon for it in which a lot of effort has been put in. Whenever i look for legendaries or event pokemon though i look for hacks and trade for them because i know that legit ones will request shinies or high levelled pokemon i just can't get very easily. If i offer to trade and the person tells me theirs is a hack i'll normally have no problem with it except for certain ones i want legit as it is easier to trade them and i could breed the more common ones and make egges, which would be half legit i suppose. The important thing is i'd still have to put the effort in to raise it. I think people who trade hacks are fine as long as they're honest about it.

5. What do you think of people who do not cheat themselves but will still accept hacked Pokémon from others knowing full well the Pokémon are hacked?
See question 4. I do it myself and i think its fine, it gives us access to pokemon we can't normally get because of where we live or don't have the time or patience to find shinies. (spending hours looking in grass is not my idea of fun)

6. What do you think of the people who use Pokémon created by things like Pokésav to battle others?
Depends, if both battlers are using those kinds of pokemon then they are equally as strong as they can only go to max then i supppose its fair. Also, if the other battler knows their opponent is created and agrees to that then thats fine too, its them who have agreed to it for one reason or another and they are not being lied to in any way. If the creater decides to keep it a secret though then they are lying tot he other person and giving themselves an unfair advantage, the person with legit poke's who spent weeks to get their party to very high levels would be crushed, as all that work they put in would have been for nothing.

7. What is your stance on cloned Pokémon?
I'm fine with it. Again it makes the legendaries more accessible for those in non-pokemon-friendly-areas and makes it easier to trade for the ones i want as they often require less in return. I would want to know if it's cloned though as i would feel as though i'd been lied to and want to know which ones are legit. If i traded a pokemon on the wifi and got a hack or shiny which i didn't know then later on i could want to put that back on the trade station and if someone finds out its hacked then i get accused and a bad rating, not fair. If someone told me its clones or hacked i would still trade (unless its for level 100 shinies or summat i'd have to give in return) and give them a higher rating for being truthful about their poke.

8. Do you think that cloned Pokémon devalue certain types of Pokémon (shinies, event Pokémon, etc.)?
Only to an extent at the moment. Legit ones still tend to trade for more but someone might pick an easier option like trading a zigzagoon for darkrai so it would be harder for legit ones to trade. I think people when they do go through the game realise that they can only get kyogre etc once in their game so know its special. Also when i go on it takes a long time for me to sort out trades with not having wifi at home and so i have to put in some effort arranging times and stuff so personally i feel that i have worked a bit for my shinies and legendaries so it doesn't decrease their value for me, its cool as well because i can say i got this from japan or america or wherever.

Currently i don't hack, clone, or cheat myself on most of my pokemon games (missigno cheat was so tempting) but i will trade for hacks or clones because i still feel i have put some effort in for them. I will however cheat on emulators as i cant trade or battle with them and it is fun for a bit to try out some of the codes like walk through walls and getting all the legendaries but i quickly get bored when after i've done them all.

Ok, i think thats all of it, don't think i've missed anything, tell me if i have.

Posted by: Leki Jun 17 2008, 03:43 PM

Neh.... Lessee, my opion as follows:

Cheating is only bad if cheating for uber stats, and making your Pokemon, basically, infintely strong.

I find it mildly better to hack for those rare not able to get Pokemon... and for items, I don't find it that bad. But I choose to wait for stuff, like the Master Balls, by matching up ID numbers, the way it was supposed to be. Or I'll trade for my items, and Pokemon.

Posted by: Swordsalmon Jun 18 2008, 08:12 PM

Is cheating good or bad, or is it mixed depending on the situation?
Why do you think people cheat?
Does exploiting glitches count as cheating, or does it depend on what exactly the glitch does?
What do you think of people who trade hacked Pokémon?
What do you think of people who do not cheat themselves but will still accept hacked Pokémon from others knowing full well the Pokémon are hacked?
What do you think of the people who use Pokémon created by things like Pokésav to battle others?
What is your stance on cloned Pokémon?
Do you think that cloned Pokémon devalue certain types of Pokémon (shinies, event Pokémon, etc.)?

This'll be a fun debate.

1. I believe cheating is perfectly fine with some limits. I mean, alot of people don't have the time to EV train their team and what-not, but they should be able to have a fighting chance competatively. As long as they don't do things like hax stats and give perfect IVs, I see nothing wrong with it.

2. If it's a part of a game, it's part of the game. Only in something like a debate (FE Debates come to mind, such as Mine Glitch) should glitchploitation be not allowed.

3. If they notify their trading partners that their Pokémon are hacked, nothing wrong.

4. It's perfectly fine. I enjoy collecting Pokémon, even if hacked. Some people, including myself, can't go to special places to get the rare ones, so it's our only option often.

5. Nothing wrong, as long as they are within game limits. Though I must admit, battling with a Bidoof with Wonder Guard, 500 HP, and using Aeroblast would be fun.

6. I'm perfectly fine with it.

7. Easily, but the Pokémon really are only hex programs. They don't carry much value to begin with. :/

So basically, I'm a big advocate of game hacking.

Posted by: Metalseadramon Aug 7 2008, 01:59 PM

1. Its not the best option but its helpfull, especially the shiny Pokemon cheat for Action Replay.

2. To gain unfair advantages such as hacking for Event Pokemon like Mew or Darkrai.

3. It depends on the glitch, like the clonning glitch on Pokemon Emerald.

4. Cheaters. >.>

5.Half the time they only want to recieve the Pokemon in question because they have no way of gaining a legit one.

6. Idoits! I tried a pokesav code on an old Action Replay I owned and not only did the Pokemon end up turning into a Bad Egg when I copied it on Battle Revolution, the very code screwed up my Action Replay!

7.Well for starters you have no way of proving that a Pokemon is cloned, second trying to clone a Pokemon has its advantages, e.g clonning a Event Darkrai then putting it up for trade which any smart person will know that people are willing to trade anything to get one given a legit Darkrai's rarity. Lasty clonning on Diammond/ Pearl is risky because Nintendo can ban you from using Wi-Fi if they catch you clonning.

8.Nope.

Posted by: serviper2008 Aug 7 2008, 02:40 PM

it depends on what sort of cheating you do, i mean if your just using the code for shinys isnt exactly "cheating". its speeding up the time for you to encounter shinies, i only used cheats after i completed the game atleast a few months after, i used to like chaining and thought it was "cool" but then i just got fed up with my chain breaking all the time, im sure others will agree, cheating is completely up to you and you shouldnt be called a noob and all that for it, hope this made sence.

last note: although some people use them cos they are lazy:)

Posted by: viktoriya143 Aug 7 2008, 04:10 PM

QUOTE(serviper2008 @ Aug 7 2008, 08:40 PM)

Posted by: Metalseadramon Aug 7 2008, 04:31 PM

QUOTE(serviper2008 @ Aug 7 2008, 08:40 PM)

Posted by: pokepurist Aug 21 2008, 04:19 PM

I think any kind of cheating is just moronic because it takes all the fun out of the game. Pokemon illegitamately obtained or with riduculusly high stats make the game just a matter of pressing buttons, with no satisfaction.

Posted by: Blax8192 Aug 21 2008, 06:26 PM

It increases replay value of some games. Think. How many times in a row can you play a game before getting totally bored with it? My parents don't buy new games so I invested in AR and play with it for a few hours every once in awhile. Sometimes I play through it again legit, but it's all in what you do with it.

All my answers are basically it depends on what you do and how you do it.

Never hack unless you beat it at least twice! That I cannot stress enough.

Posted by: Tiamat Aug 22 2008, 04:17 AM

Posted by: DethSlayr Aug 22 2008, 07:56 AM

Im against hacking, and using things like Action Replay. If someone clones something on AR, I'm against it, but if they clone it through a glitch or an exploit on the game I think its fine.

And I think people cheat, because you cant get half the event pokemon where most people live, and they want to complete the game, and have the rares and or shinies.

Posted by: Wymsy Aug 22 2008, 03:39 PM

QUOTE(pokepurist @ Aug 21 2008, 02:19 PM)

Posted by: Flamer Aug 27 2008, 07:41 AM

Personally, I don't cheat becuase I feel it takes the challenge out of the game, which ruins it. However, I do clone my shiny mewtwo on emerald, but only to trade for event Pokemon that, living in England, I wouldn't be able to get any other way. Of course, I always tell the person that the Mewtwo is cloned first.

I don't disagree with people who hack/cheat, becuase at the end of the day, it's thier game and it's none of my buisness what they do with it. However, I don't like it when people try to trade you hacked Pokemon claiming that thier legit, or when they use hacked Pokemon in battle. Becuase then thier taking the cheating out of just thier personal games, and not everyone agrees with it. Then again, if you tell the person that your using/trading a hacked Pokemon, and they agree that it's fine, then thats ok.

Posted by: dragon champ Aug 27 2008, 08:32 AM

QUOTE(Flamer @ Aug 27 2008, 01:41 PM)

Posted by: Wolverinea60 Aug 30 2008, 01:29 PM

1. Mixed, for sure. Cheating is... cheating. If a hacker just kept those Pokemon on their own game, it's fine. It's your game and you can do what you want with it. The annoying hackers battle and trade with others (especially over wifi) and don't say that they have hacks. Then people who care about their games might get annoying glitches or worse, and that's when it gets bad.

2. To take a shortcut. Some people just don't want to spend hours, breeding and training, when they could do it the easy way. But you gotta admit, you'll never get the same feeling of accomplishment that you do when you've EV trained your first team. Hackers just want to win and they don't need to spend time doing it, possibly at the expense of their own games. If they want perfect, I say, go to Shoddy Battle.

3. My Blue version is badly screwed up. Why? Missingno, of course! Missingno, 'M, Glitch City, Mew Trick -- been there, done that. But I've never used any of them in battles with other people. So it's just mindless amusement. Now let's fast forward to my Pearl game. I have literally had nightmares about finding creepy Missingno's on Pearl, because it has my team, all my egg move Pokemon and events, legendaries, shinies... I don't want to lose all my hard work, so I try insanely to keep out of the way of ingame glitches. I even get freaked out at Blue version sometimes. If someone used AR to get 6 Wondertombs, and then battled with other people who had legit teams, it's not fair AND it could screw up their game. I say, cheating.

4. Without the tradee's consent? Wrong and dishonest. With permission? Fine and dandy, but you're trading away your hard-earned work for a few pushes of a button. Trade at your own peril. It could even be more badly hacked then the trader says. Like I said, own peril.

5. See 4.

6. What's Pokesav? Is it like AR? Then it isn't really fair. Pokemon has certain boundaries on its own, like Gyarados can't learn Dark Void, for example. With AR or this Pokesav that you speak of, they could easily push all boundaries and make anything they darn well please. Against someone with a normal game, the AR or Pokesav person could probably win easily (especially if they jacked all the stats up to 999!). I said it before and I'll type it again: Shoddy Battle.

7. I will sometimes clone on Emerald so that I can have a Pokemon on Emerald in the 3rd gen and on Pearl in 4th gen, mostly for breeding purposes (cause Dittos are a lot harder to find on Pearl). But that's not why you're here, you mean trading, yes? Does it not kill the entire purpose of trading? Sure, sure, it doesn't hurt your game (on Emerald, there is a small chance you may lose data), but is that really fair? I know it's very tempting to want to keep that Shiny Eevee, it's tempting to me as well, but it's just not the right way to trade, because although someone else benefits, the cloner benefits twice. And this is trading.

8. Quite. You could make fifty clones and trade them all to random people for all different shines, same with events. Now there are fifty more of that shiny on the market. Let's say those people cloned. Now there's 2500! Wow! See how that works? I doubt it would be done, but you never know. The only time it might be somewhat okay to do is if your friend lives in... Austrailia. (spelled wrong, sorry Austrailians)(...did it again) They have literally no events, so I guess it wouldn't be so horrible to trade over one of your cloned events to them. Or just wear a disguise and get back on line, whatever makes you happy.

My hands hurt now. That is the longest thing I have ever typed, seriously.

Posted by: Stealth Rock Nov 9 2008, 06:00 PM

Is cheating good or bad, or is it mixed depending on the situation?

I certainly think it's all right in some situations. Hacking items for your own use, TMs if you can't trade, maybe a jirachi? I wouldn't mind 999 dawn stones. I just don't have the money for AR. (plus I'm scared it will mess up my game. I guess it's a common fear.)

Why do you think people cheat?

Maybe they get frustrated in what they're doing and decide to get it that way. Say you're trying for a shiny torchic. It could take millions of eggs. There's also convenience, plus not being able to go to events. What about a lone girl in 3rd generation, with Sapphire and Emerald but no Ruby, desperate for a zangoose? Making it appear in Emerald/Sapphire doesn't seem bad to me.

Does exploiting glitches count as cheating, or does it depend on what exactly the glitch does?

It might depend, but I don't think so.

What do you think of people who trade hacked Pokémon?

If they're scamming someone, that's not exactly preferable, but if the accepting side knows then it's not too bad.

What do you think of people who do not cheat themselves but will still accept hacked Pokémon from others knowing full well the Pokémon are hacked?

Getting traded hacks can be a good thing. You have one in your Pokédex, so you can search for a legit one on the GTS. Plus, what if you've been traded your dream Pokémon? It's their (our) choice, you know.

What do you think of the people who use Pokémon created by things like Pokésav to battle others?

That's terrible. Hacking is okay, but not hacking battle Pokémon. (except those made for hack-specific battles)

What is your stance on cloned Pokémon?

Cloning? That's how I get all my TMs. That's how I got my first starter Pokémon onto my Diamond version. That's how I give away groudon for buizel. That's how I duplicate my awesome IV'ed mudkips!

Do you think that cloned Pokémon devalue certain types of Pokémon (shinies, event Pokémon, etc.)?

Yes. If something is not cloned, I believe it is worth more than something that is cloned.

Oh, yeah. Flamer, I love your shiny mewtwo.

Posted by: Pokemaniac John Jan 1 2009, 06:40 PM

Posted by: johnrichard1991 Jan 2 2009, 06:36 AM

Is cheating good or bad, or is it mixed depending on the situation?
It's mixed in my opinion.
If you're going to battle me or give me a level 100, shiny charizard, with all 888 stats without telling me then it's bad.
I don't mind if you're giving yourself all 999 items

If you have to cheat to get a rare pokemon (Mew, Shaymin, etc.) then by all means go ahead!

Why do you think people cheat?
Everyone has their own reasons.
In my experience, I've only used a cheat to get event pokemon and give myself 999 items of some kind.
Extra experience is good to raise pokemon a little faster.

Does exploiting glitches count as cheating, or does it depend on what exactly the glitch does?
Yes, it does count as cheating. Although, in my opinion cheating isn't always bad.
It also depends on what it does.

What do you think of people who trade hacked Pokémon?
They're not bad people, they just want legit pokemon that they're trying to get.
To me, it can be annoying if they don't tell me first.

What do you think of people who do not cheat themselves but will still accept hacked Pokémon from others knowing full well the Pokémon are hacked?
I think that's fine, as long as they don't trade it, or use it in battle without first saying so.
I only accept hacked pokemon because I'm trying to complete my pokedex, and I know how hard it is to get a legit Deoxys, etc.

What do you think of the people who use Pokémon created by things like Pokésav to battle others?
To me, this is a bad thing. They're just being cheap.

What is your stance on cloned Pokémon?
My stance is for cloned pokemon because I would like to complete my pokedex someday.

Do you think that cloned Pokémon devalue certain types of Pokémon (shinies, event Pokémon, etc.)?
Yes, it does but I think everyone deserves to have their pokedex completed.
As long as it's not a clone of hacked pokemon, I'm fine.

Posted by: Piogre the Mighty Jan 2 2009, 02:50 PM

* Is cheating good or bad, or is it mixed depending on the situation?
Mr. Mackey: Cheating's bad, mmkay?

Seriously, however, it depends on your definition of cheating. From dictionary.com, this is the most relevant definition of "cheat:"

"n, A computer application, password, or disallowed technique used to advance to a higher skill level in a computer video game."

Well, that means that people that cheat increase their skill level.

"Skill, n, the ability, coming from one's knowledge, practice, aptitude, etc., to do something well: Carpentry was one of his many skills."

If one knowledgeably increases their skill level using their understanding of EVs, IVs, Moveset restrictions, items, Maximum Stat Levels, and PIDs, then what's wrong with that? That's what people who IV breed and EV train do. And trust me, it does take some practice at some cheats when you start. Basically, if it's legal and it is just like a regular Pokémon, then what's the problem?

* Why do you think people cheat?
People cheat because people like being good at something. It is a psychological desire in all human beings to have a proficiency or talent. With something like Pokémon, it takes a lot of time and patience that some people don't have, and therefore they cheat.

* Does exploiting glitches count as cheating, or does it depend on what exactly the glitch does?
Let's go back to our definition:

"n, A computer application, password, or disallowed technique used to advance to a higher skill level in a computer video game."

Well... glitches aren't a computer application, unless you count the game in itself, but under that circumstance everything you do in your game is considered cheating.

It's not a password. No one has to put in a secret code to Surf through the Elite Four doors.

Disallowed technique... This brings in morality questions. Does cloning count as a disallowed technique? Well, depending on the massive influx of cloning and etc. in the Pokémon community, either it is not a disallowed technique, which means it's not cheating, or people are lax enough about cheating that it should be considered okay, which would render this debate futile. Therefore, glitches are not a disallowed technique, and therefore glitches are not a cheat.

* What do you think of people who trade hacked Pokémon?
If the other guy knows it's a hack and is okay with that, then there's no fuss about it.

However, trading a hacked Pokémon when the other guy doesn't know is dishonest. In a mutual agreement like a Pokémon trade, both parties should be fully aware of the deal they are getting... (If only most loans worked like this...) Unless you trade a useless crappy 0 IV'd Splash-knowing Level 100 Dialga to that brat on the GTS who has a Level 2 Bidoof to teach him a lesson. *Evil idea hatches*

* What do you think of people who do not cheat themselves but will still accept hacked Pokémon from others knowing full well the Pokémon are hacked?
They're human. Think of the poor old chap you lives in some rare remote region that never gets Pokémon events, or has unloving parents that won't take them to ToysRUs or GameStop every other month, but they desperately want a Mew or Deoxys or Darkrai? Although trying to get a legit clone would probably be the best route, at least having a hack will get the Pokémon on their Dex so they can try and find a legit one on the GTS or something.

HACKED POKéMON ONLY CAN HURT THE GAME OF THE PERSON WHO DID THE HACK. IF IT IS TRADED TO YOU, YOUR GAME WILL NOT BLOW UP INTO A THOUSAND BITTY PIECES, SO QUIT YER BITCHIN'.

However, the 999-stated Wondertomb should not be made, let alone traded.

* What do you think of the people who use Pokémon created by things like Pokésav to battle others?
Although I try and IV breed most of my competitive Pokémon, I do rely on Pokésav for some of my Pokémon. Some I make specially for battle (like my brand new shiny Lickylicky ), and others I use for breeding (Like my Tentacruel's grandfather, just so I could get a Special Defense IV of 31. (BTW, if anyone remembers my Everstone problem, I did forget to set its country >_>) But now that I learned how to create legit PIDs, all of the Pokémon I create are perfectly obtainable in-game.

Again, 999-stat Wondertombs might help you win, but it will not help you from being called a stupid n00b-tard.

* What is your stance on cloned Pokémon?
Well, cloning is a glitch, whether it's on Emerald or the GTS, and it is not considered cheating.

Even if you do use an AR to clone, you're using your knowledge of Pokémon to simply increase your skill level via a computer application.

* Do you think that cloned Pokémon devalue certain types of Pokémon (shinies, event Pokémon, etc.)?
If you're that Mew fan that lives 50 miles from the nearest ToysRUs, then you don't give a crap. As for shinies, I think if anything devalues them it's the effing PokéRadar.

Posted by: Nana Feb 19 2009, 10:17 PM

I rarely cheat with a cheating device myself, aside from the time I cheated a Scyther so I could breed it since I didn't have Fire Red or any friends with it. I think in simple situations like that then cheating is fine, especially since some of us just can't afford to buy multiple versions. I do clone often, but usually just so I don't have to spend endless hours earning money the hard way so I can skip to what I wanna do.

Posted by: Jirachi Trainer Feb 28 2009, 11:53 AM

I think the point here is:
If no-one has the chance to cheat they find it sort of hard to understand why others do.
When people have the opportunity to cheat it becomes almost irresistable for some to abuse such (for lack of a better word) "privilige". I myself have cheated to get the event pokemon (UK sucks T_T), and for a shiny Chikorita becuase of the fact that Chikorita looks cool as shiny. But that was really as far as I went. Thankfully for me I never got and don't plan to get a cheat device for the DS as I don't want to fall into the same trap as toying with ideas that abused the privilige of having the opportunity to get things (event pokemon). That was the only step for me was getting the event pokemon. Anway back on topic lol. If you want to cheat then thats is what you decide however, the people I have no time for are the ones that make things like the wonderguard Spiritomb and cheat in a way that disadvantages others and stops fair online players from enjoying the game. That's really about it in my opinion .

Posted by: eevee master Feb 28 2009, 12:35 PM

cheating is just plain wrong

Posted by: Rezerai Feb 28 2009, 01:15 PM

Is cheating good or bad, or is it mixed depending on the situation?
It always depends on the situation. Different communities will always have different views but at the end of the day the variety of cheats out there means you can't make this a black and white topic.

Why do you think people cheat?
To do what they otherwise can't do in the game for whatever reason.
Missing a pokémon event or not having had the game at the time.
Not having time to train up a competitive level team.
Loosing a save file and not wanting to have to start from scratch.
I'd say there were enough reasons for it.

Does exploiting glitches count as cheating, or does it depend on what exactly the glitch does?
I'm going to go against what seems to be popular opinion and say yes, utilising a glitch is a form of cheating. At the end of the day the game is working in a way that was not intended, as far as I see it if you are playing a game outside the way it was meant to it's cheating. Sure the fault lies with the programmers and not you but it's still utilising something to effect the game in a way that was not intended. Of course this doesn't mean using glitches is bad, much as cheating isn't always bad. I just can't see why they need to be put in two different categories.

What do you think of people who trade hacked Pokémon?
They should tell the other person exactly what they are getting. If you want to trade hacked pokémon fine but if the other person doesn't want a hacked pokémon that is there choice as well.

What do you think of people who do not cheat themselves but will still accept hacked Pokémon from others knowing full well the Pokémon are hacked?
Who cares? A person can decide how they want to play the game so long as it doesn't have a negative impact on others.

What do you think of the people who use Pokémon created by things like Pokésav to battle others?
If they want to pass up the tedious time sink that is training for perfect stats and sets then by all means. So long as the hacks fall in line with what they could otherwise get and were not game breaking then I see no problem with this. If you don't want to fight such pokémon then fine, no one can force you to, making out that you are a better person for training your team all the way up from the ground though... that bugs me a fair deal. Yes it's great that you put the time and effort in to do it the right way and I can understand that people might feel cheated to come up against a set of legit hacks that took far less time. Still that's your choice of how to play the game, if I had any interest in playing competitively I'd hack a legit team to do so simply due to constraints on my time. As long as it stays within the games rules then it's fair and for some the only way they could enjoy one of the major appeals of the game.

What is your stance on cloned Pokémon?
They help spread the love. =D

Do you think that cloned Pokémon devalue certain types of Pokémon (shinies, event Pokémon, etc.)?
Yes and no. I've caught maybe... two shiny pokémon I think in the time I've played both Ruby and Pearl (easily 800+ hours by now) and that is frankly a little ridiculous. It depends on what you want them for but at the end of the day if someone wants a different coloured pokémon, why shouldn't they be able to have it? I feel the same way about even pokémon, they are all coded into the game so technically everyone has a copy of each one. Restricting a users access to content because they haven't thrown hours into the game or made it to an event just seems like elitism to me.

No offence to anyone at all at the end of the day it's your game, play it how you want. Just don't expect everyone to share your views on how the game should be played or what is fun. As long as you don't cheat other people, do whatever you enjoy.

Posted by: Typhlosion Feb 28 2009, 01:23 PM

People can say what they wish. There is absolutely nothing wrong with Hacking.
The only thing I am against hacking-wise is if some one is using a maxed out pokemon to battle others on Wifi.

Posted by: Commander Happy Feb 28 2009, 02:28 PM

Is cheating good or bad, or is it mixed depending on the situation?
Eh, I don't approve it, but others do. I think it's ruining the games.

Why do you think people cheat?
Well, the people I know that cheat do it for fast bragging rights, because they honestly suck at the games. (I'm not stating that to everyone who cheats, I was talking about some of the people that I know.

Does exploiting glitches count as cheating, or does it depend on what exactly the glitch does?
I think so if it's intentional and they keep doing it, I've had a glitch In my games once, but it was accidental.


What do you think of people who trade hacked Pokémon?
Eh, I dunno. Same as number two for the people I know


What do you think of people who do not cheat themselves but will still accept hacked Pokémon from others knowing full well the
Pokémon are hacked?
I think it's basically the same. Out of all my 7 years of Pokemon, I have never hacked or cheated, But I do have one pokemon that is hacked, but I didn't know that until I got it. (Damn Liars.)


What do you think of the people who use Pokémon created by things like Pokésav to battle others?
Stupid. It's just more bragging rights.


What is your stance on cloned Pokémon?
I don't approve of it either. I breed mine the old fashioned way, but It is useful for shinies. I don't know how, and I don't want to know because I'm never cloning.


Do you think that cloned Pokémon devalue certain types of Pokémon (shinies, event Pokémon, etc.)?
Yeah, I think it does. It's not the same Pokemon anymore to me.

Posted by: SR Meganium Forme Mar 2 2009, 08:43 PM

Eh... I have quite the situation.
I've grown to like my hacked shaymin more than my legit shaymin. o.0

Then, I started wondering what the difference was.
Their IVs are probably different, but i haven't bothered to find out.
The way they were obtained is different...
Then I didn't find anything else significant.

I think I really bonded with Haxmin (my nickname for it) by training it to level 100. Legitmin already had seed flare, so there was no need to train it to level 100.

I pity the hacked Pokémon that are left in a PC box until the trainer gets legitimate ones. =/

Posted by: Dar Ksereth Mar 28 2009, 08:43 PM

1.Is cheating good or bad, or is it mixed depending on the situation?

Depends, IMO, it is plain mean to not be able to get multiple copies of all the TM's in the game, Cheating 99 of each is ok for me, because it helps train your pokemon the way you want to. item-only legendaries are also annoying, i am not paying700$ or more on a plane ticket just to get a pokemon. so, IMO, hacks on items are all ok.

about pokemon though, first, i hate illegals, period.
second, i don't see it so bad, for example, i have a deoxys, 28 S.Atk, 31 Spd, but relaxed, hacking to make it an attacking nature seems fine to me, But hacking him into an all 31 seems pretty mean, why, that pokemon would have max stats, all other pokemon of people without an AR would be inferior. and that pisses me off, i have (somewhat) an AR, and i dont do that.

now, my "perfect opinion" of hacking pokemons would be:
Change a nature (because with a synchro-ralts its almost as easy, and some people diddnt know the sinchro thing back when they caught the pokemon.
For people that hack pokemon from scratch, to set a limit, for example a max of 120 IV's, spread (this makes 20 in every stat) that way, the pokemon would be more moderated, and people who breed could get an upper hand for their hard work.

moving the IV's of pokemon, for example, you have a scyther with 31 in Satk, and 0 in Atk, Switching them. this one is still a bit bad in my eyes, but it's better than 31 in everything.

oh, and hacking all 31's pokemon, to be used for breeding is ok with me though, although still not looking ok to my eyes.

and last, hacking a move you forgot, for example, scizor learns swords dance (or iron defense) at the same level that scyther learns agility, but you evolved him prior to that, so he won't ever learn agility, in my opinion, hacking an agility into the moveset is ok.

and now with platinum out, the fact that you learn different attacks here or there, not a reason to buy a new game, so teaching that scizor bullet punch in your pearl (an platinum exclussive move) is ok to me though.

Changing sexes is ok too, noone wants a male gardevoir.

i think i forgot nothing, next question:

2.Why do you think people cheat?

A. to feel better than other with illegal or full 31 pokemons.
B. to save time.
C. they are just ol' plain lazy.

3.Does exploiting glitches count as cheating, or does it depend on what exactly the glitch does?

I say Nay, there is no glitch that helps destroy other people in battles. and having a lvl 255 blastoise was awesome (to mention my favorite glitch), since you cant use him in link batle, it's ok with me.

4.What do you think of people who trade hacked Pokémon?

if they are illegal, screw them.
if not, they trade just to annoy, or help, since if they can hack pokemons, their need of trading is none. so they could hack to help their friend, or pass hard-to-obtain pokemon to other peple without giving theirs.

5.What do you think of people who do not cheat themselves but will still accept hacked Pokémon from others knowing full well the Pokémon are hacked?

if it's illegal, so long as it doesnt see the colosseum, it's ok with me. all other hacked pokemons, as long as they fit my standards, are ok.

6.What do you think of the people who use Pokémon created by things like Pokésav to battle others?

this is the same as question 1, but specifically on pokemon, answer is in #1

7.What is your stance on cloned Pokémon?

have fun, having only one deoxys is no fun, having multiple deoxys ith different moveset it´s ok to me, because each one helps a different kind of purpose in different teams.

8.Do you think that cloned Pokémon devalue certain types of Pokémon (shinies, event Pokémon, etc.)?

somewhat, i cloned my deoxys to give it to a few friends, and one of them cloned it and gav it to everyone, later i found a random guy saying "hahaha, i have deoxys" and when i check, it´s mine, i was pissed, for real.

Posted by: CharrMistKanako Apr 2 2009, 01:29 PM

Is cheating good or bad, or is it mixed depending on the situation?Why do you think people cheat?
It depends on the situation. If they hack items,accessories for the Pokémon,it's Ok,because it's their game.

But I think hacking Pokémon is bad if you use them in Wi-Fi battles..

I think people cheat because they're too lazy to train their own Pokémon. Or maybe they cheat just because they want lots of items. Or if they want event items so that they can get the event-only Legendaries.

Does exploiting glitches count as cheating, or does it depend on what exactly the glitch does?
If the glitch just makes the graphics look weird then that's not cheating.. If you obtain a Pokémon from the glitch..it's still not cheating to me.

What do you think of people who trade hacked Pokémon?
I think of them as people who either wants to help,or trick people.

What do you think of people who do not cheat themselves but will still accept hacked Pokémon from others knowing full well the Pokémon are hacked?
It depends.I mean,if they want an EV-trained Pokémon without having to work hard then..they trade. But sometimes they get Pokémon with illegal stats,right? That's bad..

What do you think of the people who use Pokémon created by things like Pokésav to battle others?
It's kind of unfair to people who have legit Pokémon that they trained themselves.. They should really stop battling if they are making their Pokémon have illegal stats..

What is your stance on cloned Pokémon?
It's okay to have them cloned. They're just clones of normal Pokémon,right?

Do you think that cloned Pokémon devalue certain types of Pokémon (shinies, event Pokémon, etc.)?
Not really.

Posted by: Blak99Psy Apr 2 2009, 02:17 PM

Is cheating good or bad, or is it mixed depending on the situation? Why do you think people cheat?

Some cheats/glitches are just downright hilarious, like catching the in-game trainers' Pokemon, or walking through walls. It's not bad unless it's the wi-fi situation that everyone else mentioned.

People do it because it's fun and fast. For me, it's amusing. I made a Lv. 100 Hitmontop, but I forgot to give it an ability, so I now have him as a keepsake for that hilarious moment.


Does exploiting glitches count as cheating, or does it depend on what exactly the glitch does?

It's not cheating. It's the programmers' fault. If they can't be competent enough to stitch up the holes in the game, I shouldn't get a "Scarlet Letter", so to speak, over it.

What do you think of people who trade hacked Pokémon?

It's rather ignorant to think that someone gets the same high over a hack as you do. Warn the people first.

What do you think of people who do not cheat themselves but will still accept hacked Pokémon from others knowing full well the Pokémon are hacked?

I don't really care. They know what they're getting, so that's their business.

What do you think of the people who use Pokémon created by things like Pokésav to battle others?

Not cool, unless it's legal. Whay can't you just take your HaXX0rs against the in-game Battle Tower and get your laughs there?

What is your stance on cloned Pokémon?

It's awesome. Why would I turn down a Pokemon that I otherwise would have no access to? I want my collection to be complete, and I don't have a time machine to go back several years and go to an out-of-the-way event and download a key to a Pokemon that I'd have a struggle trying to catch because it's at Lv. 70 and I don't have the Masterball because I used it earlier in the game. Gimme that Arceus clone! O:<

Do you think that cloned Pokémon devalue certain types of Pokémon (shinies, event Pokémon, etc.)?

Not really. It's not like EVERYONE in the whole world has an entire Pokedex full of shinies and has 65 of each event Pokemon. They're hard enough to get in the first place, right? A person who has struggled through the process decided, "Hey. I don't want people to have to go through what I just had to deal with, so I'll share some lovin'."

He has the honor of working through blood, sweat, and tears to get to his point. Nobody can remove that. Everyone else has the privilege of not being left out because they didn't have enough money or time to go to a convention and get the special key to unlock the Pokemon.

Posted by: Quagsire Apr 8 2009, 11:46 PM

The only hacking I've done is an encounter mod to get the pokemon I have. They were all less than level 10, and I raised them myself. It's not like they were legends or anything, just pokemon I like. I feel that no one should have a problem with battling me, I did catch and raise them all myself, I just avoided beating pretty much the entire damn game so I could use pal park.

Posted by: Fuzzball Apr 11 2009, 01:17 AM

I would like to personally say that I do cheat. However, I would not trade a hacked Pokemon unless for some reason the other person wanted it (I dont have Wifi or a cable or anything so I can't do that anyway). I do it for my own personal enjoyment.

Posted by: Tsum Apr 11 2009, 08:00 PM

To avoid mimicking, or letting someone else's opinion throw bias at me, I'll answer before reading the rest of the thread.

* Is cheating good or bad, or is it mixed depending on the situation?
* Why do you think people cheat?
* Does exploiting glitches count as cheating, or does it depend on what exactly the glitch does?
* What do you think of people who trade hacked Pokémon?
* What do you think of people who do not cheat themselves but will still accept hacked Pokémon from others knowing full well the Pokémon are hacked?
* What do you think of the people who use Pokémon created by things like Pokésav to battle others?
* What is your stance on cloned Pokémon?
* Do you think that cloned Pokémon devalue certain types of Pokémon (shinies, event Pokémon, etc.)?

1) "Cheating" seems to a bit of a strong word. It can be beneficial, and it can be annoying, depending on the case.
2) To expand on my first response, I'd say that people cheat to get things they can't obtain, want to obtain quickly, or simply just to annoy others.
3) I'd say exploiting a glitch is just as much cheating as using an external device is. After all, you aren't doing things the way the developers 'meant' you to do them...
4) If the hacked Pokemon aren't illegal (Level 100 Togepi with Judgment, Hyper Beam, Dark Void, Mean Look, and equipped with Color Change as an ability, as an example), or poorly done, then I have no problem with those people that trade hacked Pokemon.
5) Nothing different, really. Its a play choice. So long as they don't use illegal Pokemon, moves, items, etc in a battle, I'm perfectly fine with it.
6) Again, that is a play style. If its possible to obtain something, then I say let them use it.
7) Again, I'm fine with it. A cloned Pokemon is still a Pokemon...
8) I'm indifferent to this question. If I can obtain things, I obtain them. There are so many possibilities in the game that I highly doubt unless you really go looking, you can tell clones apart anyway.

Posted by: ThePaul Apr 18 2009, 12:04 PM

But I luv my Flying Snorlax. All you people that outright say that using an Action Replay or Game Shark or whatever is stupid or wrong can watch me and my giant sleepy friend fly away

Posted by: DragonSpear Apr 19 2009, 02:19 AM

Is cheating good or bad, or is it mixed depending on the situation?
Why do you think people cheat?
Does exploiting glitches count as cheating, or does it depend on what exactly the glitch does?
What do you think of people who trade hacked Pokémon?
What do you think of people who do not cheat themselves but will still accept hacked Pokémon from others knowing full well the Pokémon are hacked?
What do you think of the people who use Pokémon created by things like Pokésav to battle others?
What is your stance on cloned Pokémon?
Do you think that cloned Pokémon devalue certain types of Pokémon (shinies, event Pokémon, etc.)?

I think cheating is probably okay if it is for cloning TMs. I mean like most TMs never actually is obtainable again in the game once used so yeah. Cloning pokemon is okay for trading/dex purposes, cos I'm not giving my shinies away.

Exploiting glitches is okay for me because you don't actually hack into the game to exploit it and it is entirely the producers fault that the glitch happenend in the first place.

I don't really like the idea of trading hacked pokemon because it shows that the hacker is just too lazy and doesn't take actual pride in collecting pokemon, so I think that trading hacks should be forbidden

I think people fully aware of hacked pokemon being traded to them shouldn't accept it because it can disrupt the game and also as mentioned earlier, they don't take any pride in collecting pokemon.

I think people who use Pokesav pokemon to battle others would be ok if the everybody enjoys it.

See #1

Personally I do. It just doesn't make me feel special about taking event pokemon from others knowing it is not the real copy.

Posted by: Hikarii Apr 23 2009, 12:36 AM

Why do you think people cheat? - People cheat just to "be the best", to brag, to get things quickly, or to get things that are otherwise unobtainable.
Does exploiting glitches count as cheating, or does it depend on what exactly the glitch does? I don't know, really. I wouldn't count it as cheating, but others might, so..-Shrug.-
What do you think of people who trade hacked Pokémon? - I don't really care as long as you're only using said hacked Pokemon for personal use - ARing them to the max so you can pwn in the Battle Tower/Wifi isn't right.
What do you think of people who do not cheat themselves but will still accept hacked Pokémon from others knowing full well the Pokémon are hacked? - I don't see a problem with it. To each their own.
What do you think of the people who use Pokémon created by things like Pokésav to battle others? - I don't know what Pokesav is, so yeah.
What is your stance on cloned Pokémon? - Cloned Pokemon? Cool. Why not?
Do you think that cloned Pokémon devalue certain types of Pokémon (shinies, event Pokémon, etc.) - Yes, definitely.

On a personal level, I use my AR to get items and Pokemon that most people might be able to get via Wifi. Why? Because I don't have wifi, and unless someone wants to come over here and set me up with a wifi connection, I will continue to do so. I see no problem with hacking items/Pokemon as long as you're not using them to battle others, because then it's just not fair.

I'll occasionally hack shinies of Pokemon that I think look cool (Lopunny), because I go to college and work and don't have time to sit around chaining all day.

Posted by: MiltankTipper May 3 2009, 01:04 AM

* Is cheating good or bad, or is it mixed depending on the situation?
Cheating is perfectly fine for personal reasons, but cheating in competitive situations is not.
* Why do you think people cheat?
It probably has somthing to do with the fact a good portion of your Pokedex is "unobtainable" outside of events.
* Does exploiting glitches count as cheating, or does it depend on what exactly the glitch does?
I never viewed the first-gen Mew glitch as cheating for the reason stated above, but otherwise, yes.
* What do you think of people who trade hacked Pokémon?
Once again, as long as it's only for personal reasons. Keep it off the GTS, and we're all fine.
* What do you think of people who do not cheat themselves but will still accept hacked Pokémon from others knowing full well the Pokémon are hacked?
Well, if they can't get the Pokemon legitimately, than who's to criticize them for accepting someone else's help?
* What do you think of the people who use Pokémon created by things like Pokésav to battle others?
This is about the only thing I'm against. It just takes all of the value out of raising them yourself.
* What is your stance on cloned Pokémon?
I don't like cloning for items or shinies. However, cloning for events is perfectly acceptable.
* Do you think that cloned Pokémon devalue certain types of Pokémon (shinies, event Pokémon, etc.)?
Yes, which is why I don't like cloned shinies. Cloned events, however, are more easily accessible than the real things.

Basically, I only advocate cheating if it's for the event legendaries.

Posted by: Mist Wanderer May 9 2009, 05:08 AM

Posted by: Kashizzle May 23 2009, 07:04 AM

* Is cheating good or bad, or is it mixed depending on the situation?
-> Definitely mixed. if you mean 'cheating' as breaking the rules set out by the game, then it's really up to the individual players' discression. If I wanted to cruise around Sinnoh with a Shiny, shadow-ball throwing Charizard simply because it's cool, then I wouldn't let people on the internet stop me. The 'Game' is simply a virtual space in which the 'play' happens- how the player chooses to play inside that space determines what satisfaction they get out of it, and each individual player knows how they'll get the most fun out of their own virtual space.

* Why do you think people cheat?
-> Various reasons: Perhaps players simply want to bend the reality inside the virtual space, to be more in control of their experiences. Perhaps players don't have the time to breed up that perfect pokemon, or perhaps they enjoy hacking for malicious reasons. Other people, (like me), enjoy game hacking in general because it's damn interesting to really sink your teeth into the inner workings of the game, especially games that are big statistical behemoths such as Pokemon.
Or maybe they just want a shiny Charizard with Shadow ball because it's cool ;D

* Does exploiting glitches count as cheating, or does it depend on what exactly the glitch does?
->Technically, yes. All games have rules and boundries and ways of enforcing them onto the player. Many glitches won't have that great an impact on the game play (for example, on my Platinum ROM, I use a code which lets me avoid random battles while running, while on my Platinum game cart, I'm painstakingly training every single pokemon I catch), but they still break the rules of the game in the first place.

* What do you think of people who trade hacked Pokémon?
->They should get out more. Seriously. :P

* What do you think of people who do not cheat themselves but will still accept hacked Pokémon from others knowing full well the Pokémon are hacked?
->If it gets them a pokemon they wouldn't normally get, then why not? I mean, the data is hacked, so it still is technically cheating, but in the end, it's up to how the player wants to enjoy the game.

* What do you think of the people who use Pokémon created by things like Pokésav to battle others?
->There are meany reasons to do this- a common one is to test out builds (netbattle serves the same purpose, I guess), or just because it's fun. I don't have a problem, as long as both parties know the pokemon are hacked, and it's not like, and official tournement or anything.

* What is your stance on cloned Pokémon?
->Well, my personal stance is that while it is cheating, it's not malicious. In fact, it's the opposite. Trading a cloned palkia for someone's legit dialga isn't cool, though (that said, I got my dialga from a guy for whom I caught a growlithe for- the dialga was my payment), so both parties have to okay it for it to be alright. It also sucks if you're making a lv100 Typhlosion army and you're a 10year old kid, though.

* Do you think that cloned Pokémon devalue certain types of Pokémon (shinies, event Pokémon, etc.)?
-> Well, an event pokemon downloaded from the database will never have the sentimental attatchment that getting out of the house and going to an actual event will have, so I'd say that on an emotional level, it de-values event pokemon. That said, I live in Australia, which has had JB-Hifi Manaphy and Target Darkrai. The only way to get Jirachi was through Pokemon Channel, and same with Lugia and Oh-Ho in Collessuem and XD:Gale of Darkness respectively. Usually it's pretty easy to tell hacked pokemon on the GTS though, so I wouldn't say it's de-valuing them in that sense.

I dunno, pokemon hacking is amazing, and I kinda wish a lot more of the community were a bit more open-minded when it comes to it. While I'll never touch my actual Platinum cart with an action replay (out of sheer terror of permanently damaging my game card or losing my save file), I do love opening up my R4's pokemon sav file and ripping into the numbers. With pokesav there's actually also a legit checker, so not only can I back up pokemon on my computer without 'tainting' them, I can also run them through the legit checker to make sure Battle Rev won't chew 'em up and spit 'em out.

Posted by: The Silver Falcon Jun 19 2009, 06:59 PM

I don't have a problem with hacking in general.

I played through all the pokemon games, all the gens and all the remakes, legally until Platinum, when I decided to buy an Action Replay. I never realized how much fun it was to see sparkly pokemon everywhere and actually catch that Rayquasa until I started hacking. It's a lot of fun to download hacks and to write my own, it brings a whole other level of challenge to the games because it's now more feasible for me to try to finish my pokedex, or actually get to freaking Stark Mountain.
That being said, I limit what hacks I use. I don't create pokemon that I couldn't get legally. I raised my main team without hacks, most from around level 5. Most of the shiny pokemon and legends I have sit and rot in my boxes because I have no Wi-fi abilities. They're for my own enjoyment, not to trade. And I beat the elite four, etc, with my own skill, no hacks.

I think people who use extensive hacks and barely play the game at all are a bit silly and miss all the fun of pokemon gaming, but there's nothing wrong with hacking a little.

And yes, I use the word hacking. It isn't cheating, it's pure manipulating code, aka hacking. But there's nothing wrong with it unless you make a profit from it or harm another person with it. Video game hacking is minor.

Posted by: Whatura Jun 21 2009, 08:06 PM

QUOTE(Wymsy @ Jun 17 2008, 12:39 PM)

Posted by: iRyu Jun 21 2009, 08:23 PM

QUOTE(Wymsy @ Jun 17 2008, 11:39 AM)

Posted by: The Risin Salamance Jun 22 2009, 12:52 PM

The latest thing I've seen about hacking is ALL about getting a shaymin or arceus. Shaymin I couldn't get myself...but I DIDN'T hack. Action replay is responsible for all this anyway on ds consoles. Though I want to state for any1 who hasn't seen one of my specific posts....The Arceus event is happening in Japan on July 18th I'm sure. America...I'm not so sure.
But this is only for Japanese games right now. If it happens to come out in America as well, check serebii.net for it or google it. (I'm only saying serebii.net not to advertise, but to notify of a website that updates often to get the info you would want.)

Posted by: nokrow Sep 7 2009, 05:26 AM

well i am only commenting on my stance with pokesav say you dont have the time to train that new shiny charmander you hatched well as long as you actually have the shiny charmander to replace it with then why not pokesav the shiny charizard (i have done this with my dunspace, shuckle, and weavile) but i still caught/hatched the pokemon legitly i just used pokesav to complete what i couldnt do due to time constraints or otherwise thats theONLY time i think pokesav is good if they use it as a tool to train a pokemon that thye caught

Posted by: Ryushu the Mobian Cat Sep 21 2009, 04:02 PM

I do cheat, but I don't make my Pokemon's stats 999. I train them like this;

Give them PKRS and Macho Brace (or one of the Power Items that increase individual stat, like Power Lens)

Use the "Catch Any Pokemon" cheat

From there it's pretty much EV training, but I fight Lv. 3 Pokes (in order to gain as few EXP at a time) then, when my Pokemon kills a certain amount, use the Mega EXP Gain cheat to level them up. They can get as much as 40 in a stat (but usually in the 20-30 range).

I also use "Cheat moves" but not ridiculously powerful ones like Roar of Time. I tend to give a lot of my Pokemon moves like Cosmic Power, Amnesia and Barrier, as well as Recover (in certain cases). I also give them offensive moves that are good against types they're weak against (I.E giving a Ninetales, which is weak to Water and Ground, the Grass-Type move Energy Ball)

Posted by: HeartSilver Sep 24 2009, 08:41 AM

i only use pokesav to make my own events or roaming pokemon, thats alot of fun and you have somthing to do again
i don't cheat for lv.100 or stats, thats boring
i only do in japanese versions of it, because i can't read a shit. so i turn on the ''walk trough walls'' code. because when i wanna go somewhere it says: あなたが最初から入ってくるすべてのバッジが必要です！and i think WTF?! and with the cheat i just walk trough him

Posted by: TheIgDemon Sep 24 2009, 09:54 PM

1) Is cheating good or bad, or is it mixed depending on the situation?
-I think it is neither a good thing nor a bad thing. People who cheat do so because they like to, Hell, I do it also.

2) Why do you think people cheat?
-I have no opinion. They choose to cheat because want to.

3) Does exploiting glitches count as cheating, or does it depend on what exactly the glitch does?
-I don't count it as cheating, but others may.

4) What do you think of people who trade hacked Pokémon?
-As long as the Pokemon look legit, I don't give a crap.

5) What do you think of people who do not cheat themselves but will still accept hacked Pokémon from others knowing full well the Pokémon are hacked?
-I think those people just don't have the money to buy a cheat device or that they don't want to cheat themselves but are willing to accept hacks because it doesn't bother them.

6) What do you think of the people who use Pokémon created by things like Pokésav to battle others?
-As long as the Pokemon don't have moves and abilities they can't naturally learn or that the stats are all 999, I don't care. Although I don't create Pokemon myself, I catch and train them as though they were in the wild naturally.

7) What is your stance on cloned Pokémon?
-I have no problem with them.

8) Do you think that cloned Pokémon devalue certain types of Pokémon (shinies, event Pokémon, etc.)?
-Event Pokemon? yes. Shinies? No. But I don't really complain.


PS: I use an AR, but my Pokemon are legit hacks. Most of the time I breed them though. And I have reasons to use an AR. One, I'm going to be very busy this upcoming school year. Two, I find it fun to do so. Three, sometimes I miss the events giving away Pokemon. Four, I don't play my GBA games anymore and they are packed away somewhere in my house, so I can't transfer. Five, I hack Pokemon for breeding purposes.

Posted by: methuselahalchemist Oct 2 2009, 12:20 PM

OMG Ulqui Prime, I love you~!! >w< Totally unrelated to the topic, but I clicked your Zapdos to go to your GPX party, and not only did I find a Reaper Cloth at my feet, But there was a Manaphy egg there, too!! I am SO adding you to my Palpad and clicking you every day!! lol

Okay, on topic...
I really don't like cheating if it negatively affects others. It is extremely unfair to use hacked-stat/moveset Pokemon in battles. However, if it's just for collecting purposes, I'm completely fine with it. It doesn't make obtaining the legendaries and stuff as special, but it's helpful to fill the Pokedex. I'd never use an AR or anything myself because I'm terrified of hurting my game, but I've recieved a few legendaries from my friends which were obtained through AR. However, I got these Pokemon(such as Shaymin, Shiney Groudon, Arceus, etc.) at very low levela(like lv3), so it was cool getting to take them back to the very early towns and training them there. I wouldn't have gotten to do that otherwise.

Posted by: suzyk Oct 2 2009, 06:31 PM

Is cheating good or bad, or is it mixed depending on the situation?
Depends, if you're a legit player, don't cheat, if you don't mind cheating, do it but be sure you tell people if you're going to trade with them.

Why do you think people cheat?
For fun. That's why I do. Sometimes I want to cheat just to gain an event Pokemon and trade it for another rare, usually legit Pokemon, but I try to stop myself and keep myself in check. I know sites where you can download event Pokemon, and considering that half of the Japanese events circulating around right now are most probably hacks...

Does exploiting glitches count as cheating, or does it depend on what exactly the glitch does?
I don't count it, since I exploited the GTS glitch a lot. It's a rather useful tool. If it's there and you don't have to AR it, by all means, use it to your advantage.

What do you think of people who trade hacked Pokémon?
I'm fine with them. I have hacks myself. They're fun to have. For example, I gave my Clefable Crush Claw on Emerald. Good times.

What do you think of people who do not cheat themselves but will still accept hacked Pokémon from others knowing full well the Pokémon are hacked?
I was one of those people. We're awesome.

What do you think of the people who use Pokémon created by things like Pokésav to battle others?
Why not. No one can be assed to train a Pokemon for so long. And it's only a battle, not like you're trading Pokemon. Long as your opponent knows your hacking, it's okay with me. Some people can tell hacks apart from legits, too.

What is your stance on cloned Pokémon?
Cool. I'd only give out cloned legits, anyways. No way you're getting my original Shiny xxx after it took so long to find/hatch.

Do you think that cloned Pokémon devalue certain types of Pokémon (shinies, event Pokémon, etc.)?
Maybe. Maybe not. Never cared much for Pokemon's economy.

Posted by: m e s p r i t Oct 4 2009, 01:20 PM

Posted by: system of a down Oct 26 2009, 05:30 PM

I hack on diamond using Action replay DS and Pokesav

I honestly say(not just for my past cheating) that nobody should care if they get a hacked pokemon because they did get what they want, if they clicked it

and since I have beat the game and have nothing to do left all i do is help people by giving them my shinies for pokemon that i just release

Posted by: RheaDark Oct 29 2009, 10:00 PM

* Is cheating good or bad, or is it mixed depending on the situation?
Depends on the situation. If you just really want to get a shiny for yourself, or an event pokemon, or something relatively harmless like that it's fine. Hacking to cheat other people is bad, and hacking to make yourself an uber powerful team, while okay in your own game, is really just... not nice when battling others.

* Why do you think people cheat?
To get things they want, and maybe to feel like the god of their pokemon world...

* Does exploiting glitches count as cheating, or does it depend on what exactly the glitch does?
Depends, I suppose. If the glitch gives your pokemon uberpowerful stats and whatnot, yes. If it just helps you get a duplicate of an item, it's okay.

* What do you think of people who trade hacked Pokémon?
If the tradee doesn't mind, it's fine.

* What do you think of people who do not cheat themselves but will still accept hacked Pokémon from others knowing full well the Pokémon are hacked?
Fine with me. They may not want to try/do not know how to/etc. get a hacked pokemon themselves?

* What do you think of the people who use Pokémon created by things like Pokésav to battle others?
Never heard of that before...

* What is your stance on cloned Pokémon?
Like the cloning glitch? Er... doing it a million times doesn't seem to be of much help really, but if you really want a duplicate of something it's fine. Like a starter when you want to trade one but don't have a second to trade.

* Do you think that cloned Pokémon devalue certain types of Pokémon (shinies, event Pokémon, etc.)?
Somewhat.

Posted by: Jewelwriter Oct 31 2009, 07:11 PM

QUOTE(Wymsy @ Jun 17 2008, 12:39 PM)

1. Mixed really, if it's to raise a legendary from level 1 to the legndary 100 then you got a lot of work to do. (giving you kudos) But if it's to swipe some kid's pokemon then it's a crime (D-O-U-C-H-E-B-A-G)
2. Time, wanting to get to the good stuff...and of course to try and compete online.
3. It depends on the cheat. I'd be worried if there's things that make luck go from 10 to 100 chance of an effect.
4. It variess....but I would have to see the mon.
5. Brave souls but it would be ok with me...espcially if breeding it into and offical mon.
6. That would depend. (Wonderguarded Pokemon = Evil , Offical hacked that go in bounds = SWEET!)
7. Well if you mess up on it then you can work it another way...see how it is done.
8. Not sure but that would vary...espcially if the cloning is HARD!

Posted by: NorthKorea Nov 2 2009, 08:47 PM

I've only cheated to get a certain Pokemon that COULD NOT be found in the game I was playing, to get Lucky Eggs and TM/HMs. I dont think it's such a big deal since I'm not going around battling people or anything. Everything I do is kept to myself.

Posted by: Neko Wolf San Nov 4 2009, 08:00 PM

Posted by: Shiro Kurosaki Nov 5 2009, 07:24 PM

QUOTE(Wymsy @ Jun 17 2008, 11:39 AM)

• It depends on the situation. Such as if player A missed an event and has no one that can send the Wonder Card, then "cheating" is the next best alternative. Or getting all the TM's so that you can use the movesets that you want on a Pokemon.
• Either to get something they can't obtain such as TM's, Berries, Accessories, etc.; to have an edge in battle; or to finish a game faster.
• Not really. A glitch is an error in the coding. You can't really blame someone for finding and exploiting the glitch.
• I think nothing of it unless the Trader does not mention that the Pokemon is hacked. You should tell others what you're trading.
• Nothing of it. They just want something and are getting it. Plain and simple.
• Honestly, it takes out the semi-fun factor and turns it into a "who can destroy the other in a hacked Pokemon battle?" At least for me.
• Cloned Pokemon aren't really that big of a deal. Its a perfectly legit Pokemon and that's all that really matters.
• Not really. Unless you're a hardcore collector, then there's no need to worry.

Posted by: Chu Chu Feb 28 2010, 09:48 PM

* Is cheating good or bad, or is it mixed depending on the situation? It depends on the sitiuation. If your using them to cheat someone on a trade or cheat at the video game competitions then its bad.
* Why do you think people cheat? Idk all sorts of reasons. I think the most common is to get shiny lvl 100's.
* Does exploiting glitches count as cheating, or does it depend on what exactly the glitch does?It depends. If you can use it to your advantage to beat the game than yea.
* What do you think of people who trade hacked Pokémon?This is exactly why I feel uncomtorable using the Golbal Trading Station. Im always afraid im trading for a hacked pokemon.
* What do you think of people who do not cheat themselves but will still accept hacked Pokémon from others knowing full well the Pokémon are hacked?Thats kinda still cheating since you KNOW its hacked and not "legit'.
* What do you think of the people who use Pokémon created by things like Pokésav to battle others?Well if they dont know and its like their lvl 100's getting beat by lvl 1's then that might cause some problems.
* What is your stance on cloned Pokémon?This is like hacking the pokemon to get it yourself.
* Do you think that cloned Pokémon devalue certain types of Pokémon (shinies, event Pokémon, etc.)?Sorta. It makes it harder to tell the events and shinys from the real thing.

Posted by: Lord Cybertron Mar 1 2010, 08:22 PM

* Is cheating good or bad, or is it mixed depending on the situation? It depends on the sitiuation.
* Why do you think people cheat? To beat hard parts.
* Does exploiting glitches count as cheating, or does it depend on what exactly the glitch does? No.
* What do you think of people who trade hacked Pokémon?
* What do you think of people who do not cheat themselves but will still accept hacked Pokémon from others knowing full well the Pokémon are hacked? Thats kinda still cheating since you KNOW its hacked and not "legit'. Yeah.
* What do you think of the people who use Pokémon created by things like Pokésav to battle others?Well if they dont know and its like their lvl 100's getting beat by lvl 1's then that might cause some problems. True.
* What is your stance on cloned Pokémon? I don't mind it.
* Do you think that cloned Pokémon devalue certain types of Pokémon (shinies, event Pokémon, etc.)? Yes.

Posted by: ultimateaggron Jun 9 2010, 02:36 PM

cheating is bad and for lazy people and evil people who want to ruin peoples games and i got an hacked magmorter level 77 caught at pokemon league met at 63 i think he probly used steal from trainers code cuz i know in platnium a elite 4 guy has magmorter (the 3rd which is teh fire type) i noticed it in summary it knows thunderpunch (which i taught it) rock climb (not taught by me) thunderbolt flamethrower

Posted by: Niandra Mar 3 2011, 05:07 PM

Ok, so I'm a partial hacker. I hack to make pokemon (WITH LEGIT MOVESETS AND STATS) to fight in the battle tower. I don't hack to beat the game, although I did it once in Pokemon Pearl, but then I didn't save and fought the pokemon league again. My two cents on the subject.


Is cheating good or bad, or is it mixed depending on the situation?
Mixed, and there are so many different situations, that I can't go through them all.

Why do you think people cheat?
Well, I've hacked pokemon games, but only for a completely legitimate teams to battle with in the towers. I only do it because I don't have the time to sit through leveling 6 pokemon to lv 100 with perfect EVs. Does that mean I shouldn't battle online? No. I hack to make pokemon that would otherwise be completely legit, no impossible moves or stats.

Does exploiting glitches count as cheating, or does it depend on what exactly the glitch does?

It depends on what the glitch does. The Mew glitch, hack. You don't need a Mew to finish the pokedex (I don' think so, at least, been a long time since I've played Blue), so getting it is for personal gain only. It's a hack, whereas if you needed it for your pokedex, it would be slightly justifiable.

What do you think of people who trade hacked Pokémon?

If they have legit stats, I don't mind it, but I don't trade hacked pokemon to people, unless they're friends who've asked for them.

What do you think of people who do not cheat themselves but will still accept hacked Pokémon from others knowing full well the Pokémon are hacked?

Their choice.

What do you think of the people who use Pokémon created by things like Pokésav to battle others?

If the pokemon have legit movesets and stats, I see no harm in having a hacked pokemon. You don't have to go through endless training to enjoy battling people.

What is your stance on cloned Pokémon?

Depends on what's done with it. If you keep it in your game, great. If you try to rip people off with it, it's not acceptable.

Do you think that cloned Pokémon devalue certain types of Pokémon (shinies, event Pokémon, etc.)?

Only if you want it to. Just because someone has 60000000 shiny eevees doesn't mean your legit shiny eevee is worth any less. Learn to take pride in your accomplishments, and not worry about other people's issues, unless they directly affect you.

Posted by: BarkAtTheMoon Mar 4 2011, 03:23 PM

I hack, so, I can't say its completely wrong. if you hack to get pokemon that you want that you normally couldn't get otherwise (like version exclusives), but keep everything about them legitimate, then ok.

Now, where I say its wrong is when you hack to fight real life people competitively by giving your pokemon illegal moves, abilities, and stats, yes, that is wrong.

If you cheat on your in game team, nah, thats ok as its not really giving you an advantage over other people, just NPCs who dont matter that much anyway.

Basically, if it gives you a direct advantage over someone else, yes, thats wrong. But if its just in your game, its not hurting anyone else

Posted by: Krisp Mar 4 2011, 04:02 PM

I find nothing wrong with "Cheating" myself. I definitely do not have the patience to breed Pokemon that don't suck, so I either hack a Ditto with 31 IVs in all stats or just make the Pokemon I want to use on Pokesav. I don't intend on attending any official tournaments anyway.

I also cheat for event Pokemon - like in 2007 I used an action replay to unlock Shaymin and Darkrai, as well as Arceus to complete my Pokedex. I had all the third generation event Pokemon unlocked, so I just transfered them over from Pal Park.

Posted by: Nightmare Vocaloid Mar 4 2011, 09:11 PM

Cheating is only good when you've completed the game itself, since there's pretty much nothing to do in the games when you're done with the main storyline, and if you usually just play Pokémon by yourself.

But if you haven't completed the game and you use cheats, then it's bad. It's also bad if you just want to get illegit Pokémon and use them online.

Posted by: lorks Aug 21 2012, 07:17 AM

the only time i would personally cheat is to get an event pokemon that is impossible for me to obtain. also i'd wait until i had finished the game before doing that. cheating while still playing through the plot makes stuff boring, but once you're done cheating can be fun, as long as you don't use it to cheat in multiplayer battles or trade people hacked pokemon. that sort of ruins the immersion of the game, i think.

Posted by: Tehpikachu Aug 26 2012, 11:13 PM

Whenever I start a Pokemon game (4th gen and on), I promise myself I won't cheat unless I get stuck or finish the game (ever since cheating through Diamond, fuu). So, no item hacks, Pokemon hacks, Pokeball hacks, or any experience hacks.
Getting stuck falls along the lines of being underleveled at an important battle (more specifically, the Elite Four), which I will usually go grinding. However, if I'm too far away to do it where I don't have the patience for grinding that many levels on so many Pokemon, I will get myself some Rare Candies or an experience cheat (I've only had this problem with Soul Silver so far, so yay~). After finishing, I abuse PokeSav (hey, it's not like I'll be attending in any tournaments). ;3 That is, if I can find one that actually works... Diamond/Pearl doesn't work, Black/White is iffy.

Trading hacked Pokemon? I myself do attempt at trading them, but I inform beforehand that I got it through cheating. I leave it to them to decide if they want my Pokemon.

Events? I've only succeeded with a few of these. In Soul Silver, I can't get the Shiny Pichu/Spiky-Earred Pichu event to work. I got the Arceus at the Ruins of Alph to work. In Diamond, I used the Azure Flute to battle Arceus (what a waste of an event and programming).
So what I'm trying to say is I'm fine with this. You can't get to every event there will ever be. Especially the ones that happen out of your country. Or if your like me, and you live no where near any god damned GameStop, Toys 'R Us, or Walmart (our nearest is about 300 miles away, fuuuu). Luckily, I can get 5th gen WiFi events ./offtopicrantrantrant

So I'm perfectly fine with cheating, as long as you're not being a dishonest ass online. What you do to your game isn't my problem.

Posted by: Quomimi Aug 26 2012, 11:17 PM

I like to cheat when I've already beaten the game, and I want to totally corrupt a file )XD
But I'll sometimes use the fast level up cheat, because with me, it just saves time. I severly over-train my Pokemon. I once had a Charizard to fight Misty in Fire Red...

Posted by: PheonixGRX Mar 11 2013, 09:15 AM

Is cheating good or bad, or is it mixed depending on the situation?
Cheating, in my opinion, is rather bad. A true gamer of any kind, as well as pokemon trainers, should train their own pokemon and make them strong. This includes using a hacked pokemon from the GTS, or through a custom mystery gift.

Why do you think people cheat?
To be honest, they aren't worth my time. If you battle against someone who cheats, and you lose, then its no real lose, as they didn't earn that victory, however if you win, it makes your victory all that much sweeter as you know you are better than those who have to cheat their way through the games

Does exploiting glitches count as cheating, or does it depend on what exactly the glitch does?
Depending on the glitch depends on how it goes. If the glitch was to duplicate a pokemon, or an item like the masterball, then yes, it is still cheating. However, if a glitch occurs and you find yourself at a spot only accessible through a mystery gift event, that is fine, as you may have missed out on that event yourself.

What do you think of people who trade hacked Pokémon?
If you are sending them out, it all depends. If you have a hacked pokemon with 0IV points in all the spots, then it is alright, as they are easily defeated, and encourages the player to earn it themselves, or to breed it. If you trade them out with max IV's, then you should get your trainers license taken away.

What do you think of people who do not cheat themselves but will still accept hacked Pokémon from others knowing full well the Pokémon are hacked?
These people are still cheaters as they are taking hacked pokemon. I may not personally use a gameshark/actionreplay, however I could easily ask a friend to do it for me, and if I did, I would be equally as guilty.

What do you think of the people who use Pokémon created by things like Pokésav to battle others?
If its for a tournament, then they should be disqualified from the tournament, however if two people use Pokesav pokemon as a way of testing out the strengths of different ones, or to do a roulette style battle, then that would be alright as long as it is for hacked pokemon only.

What is your stance on cloned Pokémon?
When younger, I use to clone pokemon (mainly celebi) myself, and would trade it to those who never got to go to the event to receive it. It depends on what the person is doing with the cloned pokemon on whether or not it is bad. If they are helping those who missed out on an event, then sure, it is fine, but if they are doing it to get 6 perfect arceus, then that is obviously wrong.

Do you think that cloned Pokémon devalue certain types of Pokémon (shinies, event Pokémon, etc.)?
As said before, it is on the reason. While yes, it can make them less valuable, but if it was given out in a public event, then it wouldn't affect it as much. With shinies though, those should not be cloned.

Posted by: Yuno Gasai Mar 11 2013, 10:20 AM

For me, as far as cheating in games in general goes: As long as what you're doing doesn't impact other players or result in the game creators losing money they would otherwise get if you weren't cheating, then I guess it's not a problem. Though, the way I see it, completing and playing a game is much more satisfying if you put real effort in. I don't see the point in buying a game and then not properly playing it. But it's for the player to decide how they play their game so, eh.

Posted by: Zer0hundred Jul 25 2013, 10:29 PM

Depends...

I myself do get very annoyed when it takes the fun out of the game, but i fixed that when i learned how to edit AR codes, so i turned "max money" into 500 cash, so i could buy whatever i needed, then set my money back down to a reasonable amount so battling getting money isnt a complete waste.
it actually sometimes adds a new element of fun to see what i can do if i screw with the code XD

But when it comes to pokemon games more specifically, then it really depends on the situation.
If you do something like max money/items/illegal max stat impossable move pokemon then it just takes the fun out of everything.
But stuff that you could normally do anyway, like getting a certain nature or a certain rare pokemon, then i dont see the problem.
The biggest problem i have with it is when people hack pokemon that wouldn't possably exist otherwise. Like a pikachu that has drizzle as it's ability. That's just wrong, and really messes up the game, especially when the other person they battle online has a completely legit team.

Posted by: Firewolf22 Aug 20 2013, 08:34 AM

QUOTE(Wymsy @ Jun 17 2008, 05:39 PM)

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Posted by: Kirbu Dec 13 2017, 09:07 PM

Is cheating good or bad, or is it mixed depending on the situation?
Bad, you are gaining an unfair advantage among others that invest time playing the game as intended.
Why do you think people cheat?
Because they want to get things done without investing time breeding and EV training. Or in the case of Pokémon GO, they are to lazy too walk or want to get Pokémon from places they'd need to travel long distances to get.
Does exploiting glitches count as cheating, or does it depend on what exactly the glitch does?
They are kinda like cheats, but because they are ingame events that do not involve any external program or device, I don't see them as cheating, but more like a amusing game mistake. Some glitches are fun to perform like the ones from Red, Blue and Yellow. But at the end of the day they are just a gimmick that does not affect others.
What do you think of people who trade hacked Pokémon?
They are polluting the pokéconomy!
What do you think of people who do not cheat themselves but will still accept hacked Pokémon from others knowing full well the Pokémon are hacked?
It's a little bit sad they don't care, but it's their decision to accept the Pokémon.
What do you think of the people who use Pokémon created by things like Pokésav to battle others?
Those are the worst kind of cheaters. I wish Game Freak did something to make Pokémon editing impossible.
What is your stance on cloned Pokémon?
The only cloned Pokémon I tolerate are event exclusive Pokémon. Other than that I don't like the idea of people cloning their shinies or legendaries for trading.
Do you think that cloned Pokémon devalue certain types of Pokémon (shinies, event Pokémon, etc.)?
It surely devalues them. I don't really care if Events get devalued but any other ingame Pokémon yes. I really don't feel anything special when receiving shiny Pokémon from others as I'm thinking it's likely to be hacked or cloned.