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 Mar 21 2010, 07:56 AM
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 Don't invade my kingdom. Don't.  Group: Members Posts: 31 Joined: 26-December 09 From: Indigo Plateau Member No.: 77 741 HeartGold Half-Dozen 
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OK, before we get started, I'd just like to say two things:
1) I have never tried to build a competitive team before, so if I've made some obvious mistake, please don't be rude about telling me. 2) None of these pokemon exist yet; they're all purely hypothetical. If you think that I should change the team in some way, feel free to suggest it. This team is designed for the Gen IV OU tier, with Species Clause in effect. It could also play under Evasion Clause without any adjustments. Swampert @ Leftovers Relaxed 252 HP / 4 Atk / 252 Def -Stealth Rock -Earthquake -Ice Beam -Surf This is the pokemon I'd open the fight with. In addition to being Stealth Rock support for Scizor's U-Turn, it's a good physical wall and can OHKO Salamence with Ice Beam after Stealth Rock. If I was faced with a Grass-type I'd most likely switch out for Scizor or Gengar. Scizor @ Choice Band Technician Adamant 248 HP / 252 Atk / 8 Spe -U-Turn -Bullet Punch -Superpower -Pursuit Scizor's U-Turn, paired with Swampert's Stealth Rock, gives me a way of causing the enemy lots of damage without leaving myself open to attack. Pursuit and Bullet Punch both are good at picking off weakened enemies. Superpower is here to take care of certain counters. Gengar @ Life Orb Timid 4 Def / 252 SpA / 252 Spe -Shadow Ball -Thunderbolt -Focus Blast -Hidden Power Fire This is the special sweeper of the team. He provides backup for Salamence against Steel-types and Swampert against Grass-types, and his moveset is capable of several OHKO's, such as Scizor, Gyarados, and some Heatran. Salamence @ Life Orb Jolly 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe -Dragon Dance -Outrage -Earthquake -Roost A mid-game physical sweeper, Salamence can 2HKO any OU pokemon aside from some Steel-types with Outrage. Earthquake can take care of some of those Steels; in other cases, I'd call in Gengar. Although I could use a different EV spread and nature to get Fire Blast instead of Roost, I think Roost might eb the better choice in this case. My guess is that Fire Blast is very popular for Salamence, so not having it might throw my opponent off-balance. Also, Roost provides Salamence a way to recover from damage if Blissey goes AWOL. Lucario @ Life Orb Inner Focus Adamant 252 Atk/ 4 Def/ 252 Spe -Swords Dance -Close Combat -ExtremeSpeed -Crunch This is my late game sweeper, who is also physical. Crunch and Close Combat can both cause over 70% damage to several popular defensive walls after just one Swords Dance. One major threat to Lucario, Gliscor, can be dealt with by Swampert's Ice Beam, and Swampert can also lure in Pursuit users to give Lucario longer to power up. extremeSpeed would be useful against pokemon who were persistently faster than Lucario, such as Gliscor. Togekiss @ Leftovers Serene Grace Timid 252 HP / 20 Def / 236 Spe -Wish -Encore -Air Slash -Thunder Wave On top of having Wish and Encore support, Serene Grace gives me a 60% flinch chance on Air Slash, and Thunder Wave allows me to set up Encore even more easily. One good use of it would to be to disable any switch-ins after I trap the enemy into a set-up or support move with Encore. I could use Body Slam instead of Thunder Wave, with a 60% chance of paralysis, but I think T. Wave is the better move considering that this is a support Pokemon. NOTE: This team was originally built with a Wish Blissey for support, but after I found out that I couldn't get a WishBliss, I switched it out for Togekiss. The original Blissey can be found below: Blissey (click to show)
This post has been edited by KingMudkip: May 20 2010, 12:00 PM --------------------  Sig by LegoMyFoot of Nintendo Papercraft. Click the little guy to go to my GPX+ page:  Shinies (click to show) Trading Rules (click to show) My competitive team in progress:       |
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Mar 21 2010, 10:33 PM
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Pokémon Trainer  Group: Newbies Posts: 1 Joined: 2-February 10 Member No.: 82 682 Active Squad 
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cool maybe i'll try some thing like that next time i chalenge the elete four for money
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Mar 22 2010, 02:04 PM
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 Pokémon Trainer  Group: Members Posts: 12 Joined: 15-August 09 Member No.: 57 061 Active Squad 
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QUOTE(KingMudkip @ Mar 21 2010, 08:56 AM)  OK, before we get started, I'd just like to say two things: 1) I have never tried to build a competitive team before, so if I've made some obvious mistake, please don't be rude about telling me. 2) None of these pokemon exist yet; they're all purely hypothetical. If you think that I should change the team in some way, feel free to suggest it. This team is designed for the Gen IV OU tier, with Species Clause in effect. It could also play under Evasion Clause without any adjustments. Comments in Red Swampert @ Leftovers Relaxed 252 HP / 4 Atk / 252 Def -Stealth Rock -Earthquake -Ice Beam -Surf This is the pokemon I'd open the fight with. In addition to being Stealth Rock support for Scizor's U-Turn, it's a good physical wall and can OHKO Salamence with Ice Beam after Stealth Rock. If I was faced with a Grass-type I'd most likely switch out for Scizor or Gengar. Nice standard lead. I would just replace surf with roar to scout you opponents team more. Other than that, its fine Scizor @ Choice Band Technician Adamant 248 HP / 252 Atk / 8 Spe -U-Turn -Bullet Punch -Superpower -Pursuit Scizor's U-Turn, paired with Swampert's Stealth Rock, gives me a way of causing the enemy lots of damage without leaving myself open to attack. Pursuit and Bullet Punch both are good at picking off weakened enemies. Superpower is here to take care of certain counters. Standard scizor is standard. You might want to invest around 8-16 more Ev's in speed to outspeed other scizor Gengar @ Life Orb Timid 4 Def / 252 SpA / 252 Spe -Shadow Ball -Thunderbolt -Focus Blast -Hidden Power Fire This is the special sweeper of the team. He provides backup for Salamence against Steel-types and Swampert against Grass-types, and his moveset is capable of several OHKO's, such as Scizor, Gyarados, and some Heatran. Standard gengar i guess. Just be careful, when your opponent realizes that you LO and not scarfed, they will eith bring in priority or a scarfed pokemon, forcing you to switch out. Salamence @ Life Orb Jolly 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe -Dragon Dance -Outrage -Earthquake -Roost A mid-game physical sweeper, Salamence can 2HKO any OU pokemon aside from some Steel-types with Outrage. Earthquake can take care of some of those Steels; in other cases, I'd call in Gengar. Although I could use a different EV spread and nature to get Fire Blast instead of Roost, I think Roost might eb the better choice in this case. My guess is that Fire Blast is very popular for Salamence, so not having it might throw my opponent off-balance. Also, Roost provides Salamence a way to recover from damage if Blissey goes AWOL. This guy needs fire blast > roost. Otherwise, it is walled by skarmory, a popular switch in to mence. Change its nature to naive and put the 4 Ev's that are invested in HP into SpA. Besides, you have lucario anyways to deal with bliss. Also, blissey can pass wishes onto mence if really needed. Roost is really only good for bulky or mix mences Lucario @ Life Orb Inner Focus Adamant 252 Atk/ 4 Def/ 252 Spe -Swords Dance -Close Combat -ExtremeSpeed -Crunch This is my late game sweeper, who is also physical. Crunch and Close Combat can both cause over 70% damage to several popular defensive walls after just one Swords Dance. One major threat to Lucario, Gliscor, can be dealt with by Swampert's Ice Beam, and Swampert can also lure in Pursuit users to give Lucario longer to power up. extremeSpeed would be useful against pokemon who were persistently faster than Lucario, such as Gliscor. Really nothing wrong here. Good choice Blissey @ Leftovers Natural Cure Calm 24 HP/ 252 Def/ 232 SpD -Wish -Protect -Seismic Toss -Toxic Blissey has two jobs on this team: to heal the others with Wish, and to stall out certain pokemon who get locked into unfavorable moves. Protect gives Blissey the ability to scout out an enemy's move, and if it isn't too dangerous to her, she can hit the enemy with Toxic and then rotate Wish and Protect. One possible alternative for Protect is Softboiled, but without any other Protect support on the team, I'm not sure that'd be the right thing to do. Blissey also fills the role of specail wall. Standard wish bliss. You might want to have T-wave > toxic as any scarfed pokemon runs right through your team. Solid team. Good job. Something that you might want to watch out for are physical choice scarfers, as well as scarf latias. They pretty much run right through your team and blissey is your only latias counter, so once that is down, you're pretty much screwed. --------------------      Clicky Clicky?     -by buzz |
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Mar 22 2010, 07:25 PM
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 Pokémon Trainer  Group: Members Posts: 65 Joined: 16-December 09 From: stalkers Member No.: 76 648 Active Squad 
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good team, on that swampert you should spilt evs on deffense and sp.deffense. add more evs in sp.deffense to make it more bulky. other then that i rate 9.5/10 good job overall
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Mar 24 2010, 07:43 AM
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Don't invade my kingdom. Don't. Group: Members Posts: 31 Joined: 26-December 09 From: Indigo Plateau Member No.: 77 741 HeartGold Half-Dozen
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mysticmaster: I'll have to consider that. Thanks for the tip, and for the complement!
brawler: On Swampert: If you think I should switch Surf for Roar, I can do that. Personally I'm a big fan of Surf, but I see what you're saying about not really being able to scout the opponent's team well. At any rate, he's still got a STAB with Earthquake. On Scizor: Yeah, I think I will. Good advice there. Would you say it'd be safe to taek the EV's from HP, or would you take them from Atk? On Gengar: Thanks for the heads-up. On Salamence: OK, done. On Blissey: Well, I do sooo hate it when my own pokemon get paralyzed, so... done. As far as the physical scarfer thing goes, I can see what you're saying. That would be a serious problem. Anything you could suggest to help deal with that? -------------------- Sig by LegoMyFoot of Nintendo Papercraft. Click the little guy to go to my GPX+ page: Shinies (click to show) Trading Rules (click to show) My competitive team in progress: |
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Apr 18 2010, 10:56 AM
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 Die?  Group: Members Posts: 45 Joined: 17-April 10 From: DITI (Data Integration Thought Entiety) Member No.: 93 344 Active Squad
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Looks pretty awesome to me. I think you should try it out!
-------------------- "Humans always say 'It's better to regret something you did than regret doing something you didn't do.'" "What is your opinion on that?"   Dragon Cave (click to show) |
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Apr 18 2010, 12:29 PM
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 Pokémon Trainer Group: Members Posts: 10 Joined: 15-April 10 Member No.: 93 072 active slots execpt 4 
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that is a good team
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Apr 30 2010, 12:07 PM
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Don't invade my kingdom. Don't. Group: Members Posts: 31 Joined: 26-December 09 From: Indigo Plateau Member No.: 77 741 HeartGold Half-Dozen
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Thanks, all.
 I'm going to adjust it according to what brawler1235 had to say (possibly switching the LO Gengar build for a Choice one) and begin building it.Be wary... by very wary... -------------------- Sig by LegoMyFoot of Nintendo Papercraft. Click the little guy to go to my GPX+ page: Shinies (click to show) Trading Rules (click to show) My competitive team in progress: |
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Apr 30 2010, 02:35 PM
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 Gym Leader  Group: Restricted Posts: 165 Joined: 7-June 09 From: London Member No.: 31 570 Heart Gold Team 
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NIce team
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Apr 30 2010, 04:02 PM
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A New Era  Group: +Donors Posts: 1 920 Joined: 2-July 07 From: United States Member No.: 28 Active Squad
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QUOTE(Kingstar @ Apr 30 2010, 02:35 PM) NIce team WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOW. http://forums.gtsplus.net/index.php?showtopic=7400 --------------------   |
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May 5 2010, 08:16 AM
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Don't invade my kingdom. Don't. Group: Members Posts: 31 Joined: 26-December 09 From: Indigo Plateau Member No.: 77 741 HeartGold Half-Dozen
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I'm doing my research for creating this team and I've run into a little snag. How exactly does Blissey learn Wish & Seismic Toss? I can't find it on Serebii, but Smogon says that Blissey can indeed learn them. What gives?
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May 9 2010, 05:55 AM
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Pokémon Trainer Group: Newbies Posts: 8 Joined: 15-April 10 Member No.: 93 026 Active Squad |
Wish blissey is an old event pokémon, blissey learns seismic toss on emerald move tutors
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May 11 2010, 07:09 AM
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Don't invade my kingdom. Don't. Group: Members Posts: 31 Joined: 26-December 09 From: Indigo Plateau Member No.: 77 741 HeartGold Half-Dozen
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...#&!$. That's not good at all.
open at own risk (click to show) Guess I'll have to switch out Blissey, then... Any ideas what I should use instead? EDIT: Thanks to a suggestion by roserade fan via PM, I've decided to switch Blissey out for the following Togekiss: Togekiss @ Leftovers Serene Grace Timid 252 HP / 20 Def / 236 Spe -Wish -Encore -Air Slash -Thunder Wave On top of having Wish and Encore support, Serene Grace gives me a 60% flinch chance on Air Slash, and Thunder Wave allows me to set up Encore even more easily. One good use of it would to be to disable any switch-ins after I trap the enemy into a set-up or support move with Encore. I could use Body Slam instead of Thunder Wave, with a 60% chance of paralysis, but I think T. Wave is the better move considering that this is a support Pokemon. This post has been edited by KingMudkip: May 20 2010, 11:58 AM -------------------- Sig by LegoMyFoot of Nintendo Papercraft. Click the little guy to go to my GPX+ page: Shinies (click to show) Trading Rules (click to show) My competitive team in progress: |
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