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Posted by: Pancackes Jun 19 2009, 12:43 PM
I personally think Shaymin should not be considered as Legendary.
1. There are more than one.
and
well thats kinda it..... -___-
Posted by: Geoffrey Jun 19 2009, 12:56 PM
Technically, that means Mew isn't legendary either.
Posted by: Usagi Zakura Jun 19 2009, 01:01 PM
Considering its an event Pokčmon yeah...
But also Shaymin alone doesn't seem like a legendary...it could be any green hedgehog-pokčmon really. (And it should be, since then it'd be easier for me to get one XD...I hate event pokčmon)
Makes me wonder whose idea it was to make it a legendary Pokčmon... what makes a green hedgehog with a flower on its head more special than any other Pokčmon?
So it makes flowers grow... Slowpoke's yawn was rumored to cause rain, Diglett dug a tunnel that fits for an Onix, Clefairies come from the moon and so on...
Posted by: Roxas123 Jun 19 2009, 01:02 PM
Ooooooo he got you there. Shaymin is a legend because they are so rare. Thats pretty much the same with all legends.
Posted by: Usagi Zakura Jun 19 2009, 01:08 PM
Just because its rare doesn't make it a legendary. Mew is stuff of legends, and the origin of all pokčmon (at least it WAS before Arceus came along) and capable of using every move there is.
Shaymin is a hedgehog that plants flowers, and in the anime it seemed quite well-known and easy to find (that random guy on the train had seen them before.) A legendary pokčmon shouldn't be something any tourist can find if they go looking in a gracidea-field. It seemed more like just a rare pokčmon...who for some reason talked through telepathy (somehow I think any non-psychic pokčmon communicating with that is a bit odd)
Posted by: poppyseed Jun 19 2009, 01:18 PM
Well, some legends like latias and latios there is more than one. :confused:There is more than one Celibi too.
Posted by: pokemonrulez435 Jun 19 2009, 01:40 PM
If there only being one of a pokemon makes not legendary, then that would eliminate many proven-to-be-legendary pokemon, like Deoxys, Lugia, and Dragonite.
Posted by: SkyShadow Jun 19 2009, 01:42 PM
I think some are legendary just for how rare it is or how old it is
EDIT: or for its abilities
Posted by: pulser Jun 19 2009, 01:49 PM
shaymin is considerd a legendary because of its stats and rarity it has 100 in each stat in land forme and not avialable in game it also has the ability to change forme giving it stat changes and it also has its own move seed flare add all that up and it seems like a legedary to me
Posted by: PuppyToast Jun 20 2009, 03:31 AM
After seeing the movie?
No.
Posted by: Hidrox Jun 20 2009, 05:02 AM
I think it is. Despite there are more than 1 they are pretty rare and got legendary stats and
Posted by: Enigmatic Relic Jun 20 2009, 05:24 AM
yes,cause it has strong signature move which is seed flare,it has the ability to change form,it's an event pokemon and it has it's own movie
Posted by: Usagi Zakura Jun 20 2009, 05:38 AM
By in game status it obviously IS a legendary, but otherwise it doesn't really seem like one...
Plenty of Pokčmon have signature moves.
Posted by: Shaymin Girl Jun 27 2009, 10:35 AM
They made Shaymin a legendary, really because they can. Seriously, they probably said "We need a new legendary pokemon. Each region has a cute one, so lets make Shaymin one." That's pretty much all there is to it. I would like Shaymin even if it wasn't legendary though x3.
Posted by: Duck Tape Jul 2 2009, 06:59 PM
Well Shaymin is a pokemon god, much like all the legendarys of this generation. It's god of all plants and what not. Making them grow, kind of like Demeter of Greek mythology.
Posted by: SkyHigh472 Jul 4 2009, 01:09 AM
Yes, yes I do consider Shaymin as a legendary... for the reasons from the above post ^^"
Posted by: Black Ice Jul 4 2009, 01:11 AM
...I honestly do not understand why you would not count Shaymin as a legendary. Just because there are multiples? Doesn't really make much sense, considering even GF calls them legendaries.
Posted by: SanityChao Jul 5 2009, 08:26 PM
Shaymin seems like a Ledgendary to me, but I do not know... 
Posted by: Duck Tape Jul 5 2009, 11:57 PM
I'm going to go back to greek myth for this example.
There are more than one of the muses. They are lesser gods, but still gods.
There are many examples of multiple gods in mythologies around the world.
Posted by: Neko Wolf San Oct 6 2009, 03:33 PM
When I watched 'Giratina and the Sky Warrior' I've nearly forgotten the fact that Shaymin is a legenday pokemon; especially at the end. They could even 'out-common' pokemon like Magikarp or Bidoof, along with Phione.
But I don't get it, though. There was Manaphy, which was like Sinnoh's 'cute legendary', so why would they need to make Shaymin? (And Phione- that thing just seems pretty damn pointless.)
But don't get me wrong, I love shaymin, legenday or not.
Posted by: Blackjack Gabbiani Oct 10 2009, 02:53 PM
I've never understood why people think that legendaries have to be unique. The only legendary we know for a fact is unique is Mewtwo.
Posted by: m e s p r i t Oct 10 2009, 09:12 PM
1. There are more than one.
There are many notions that there are more than one of many legendaries, not just Shaymin.
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Zapdos ; In addition to the one in the Orange Islands, a second one was seen in the Johto region in the episode As Clear As Crystal, and a third was seen in the credits of Pokémon Ranger and the Temple of the sea, flying Jack Walker after he captured it with his Capture Styler. A fourth one that was spotted by Team Rocket in Sinnoh in Doc Brock!
Mew ; The bubbly Mew was first seen in the first movie, and later in the special Mewtwo Returns. Another is seen in the eighth movie.
Entei ; It's said an Entei is born every time a volcano erupts, so that definitely hints more than one.
Suicune ; Ash encountered one at the beginning of the Johto story arc, in Don't Touch That 'Dile, again in For Ho-Oh the Bells Toll, and made a vital appearance in the fourth movie. Ash also encountered a Suicune in Sinnoh, near the Valley Windworks in Drifloon On the Wind!
Lugia ; One was seen in the second movie. Two more, a parent and a child, were seen near Silver Rock Isle at the beginning of the Whirl Cup arc of the anime.
Celebi ; Supposedly there is a Celebi for every time frame, as shown in the fourth movie.. now that's a lot of Celebi.
The Regis ; They are shown wild in the Lucario and Mew movie, and then shown again owned by the Pyramid King Brandon. Considering the distance between the two sightings, there is no way those same Regis from the Lucario movie are the same ones Brandon owns.
The Latis ; There are two in the fifth movie and it's stated previously there was another Latios, whom was the aforementioned duo's father. After the main Latios dies, three other Latis are shown in the sky as Ash and his friends are drifting away from Altomare on a boat while the credits roll.
Deoxys ; Two different Deoxys were featured in the seventh movie, while a third was featured in Pokémon Ranger - Deoxys Crisis!
Phione ; Phione is a legendary only obtained by breeding, and since breeding is the method, it's obvious more than one can be obtained. For further proof, in Hold that Phione there are about 3 shown.
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Sure, quantity is what makes a legendary extra special, as they are rarer than most Pokemon.
But no where does it say there is only one of each legendary.
Posted by: Discarded Oct 10 2009, 09:23 PM
if Shaymin is legendary, then Shaymin is legendary. period. why make a discussion? the creators of Shaymin wanted to make Shaymin legendary, so, hes legendary! thats it! theres really no point in debating about it. the fact that theres more than one could be a reason why it shouldnt be legendary, but, i guess thats just how the way it is. :/
Posted by: MoogleSam Oct 19 2009, 06:50 AM
I consider it a legendary, I actually consider it the main cute Pokemon of Sinnoh. Since it is the one that you need an event to get it just like Mew, Celebi and Jirachi. While you need a completely different game to get Manaphy. It is the only one out of the four Mew, Celebi, Jirachi and Shaymin that is NOT a psychic type. They went crazy with psychic legendaries, Shaymin is one that breaks that cycle. Shaymin is a wonderful legendary for doing that. <3
Posted by: m e s p r i t Oct 19 2009, 09:12 AM
Shaymin didn't break the cycle. XD
Uxie, Mesprit, and Azelf are all psychic types and they count in the small legendary group.
Posted by: Miles Edgeworth Nov 16 2009, 05:41 AM
It is legendary, because the makers of Pokemon said so. 
End.I kind of actually wish it wasn't so I could put one on my team without feeling bothered by having two legendaries. ^^;;
Posted by: Arceus thrasher Nov 16 2009, 05:46 AM
Let's put it this way: Poison a Gracadia flower bush, then bring along a Shaymin and a Meganium.
Who will bring the bush back to life?
If you guessed the latter, you know my answer.
Posted by: Pizza Guy111 Nov 16 2009, 06:11 AM
Shaymin's a legendary. Why wouldn't it be?
I never thought anyone disagreed with this.
I thought a more controversial topic was whether Rotom is legendary or not.
Posted by: Masterge77 Nov 16 2009, 07:18 AM
My pokesona is a Shaymin, a MALE Shaymin, I always pictured the legends with genders, such as Suicune being potrayed as female
Who will bring the bush back to life?
If you guessed the latter, you know my answer.
Seriously, Meganiums Pokedex data proves that Maganiums breath can revive dead plants, the Pokedex never lies
Posted by: rchicken31 Nov 16 2009, 07:21 AM
1. There are more than one.
There are many notions that there are more than one of many legendaries, not just Shaymin.
---
Zapdos ; In addition to the one in the Orange Islands, a second one was seen in the Johto region in the episode As Clear As Crystal, and a third was seen in the credits of Pokémon Ranger and the Temple of the sea, flying Jack Walker after he captured it with his Capture Styler. A fourth one that was spotted by Team Rocket in Sinnoh in Doc Brock!
Mew ; The bubbly Mew was first seen in the first movie, and later in the special Mewtwo Returns. Another is seen in the eighth movie.
Entei ; It's said an Entei is born every time a volcano erupts, so that definitely hints more than one.
Suicune ; Ash encountered one at the beginning of the Johto story arc, in Don't Touch That 'Dile, again in For Ho-Oh the Bells Toll, and made a vital appearance in the fourth movie. Ash also encountered a Suicune in Sinnoh, near the Valley Windworks in Drifloon On the Wind!
Lugia ; One was seen in the second movie. Two more, a parent and a child, were seen near Silver Rock Isle at the beginning of the Whirl Cup arc of the anime.
Celebi ; Supposedly there is a Celebi for every time frame, as shown in the fourth movie.. now that's a lot of Celebi.
The Regis ; They are shown wild in the Lucario and Mew movie, and then shown again owned by the Pyramid King Brandon. Considering the distance between the two sightings, there is no way those same Regis from the Lucario movie are the same ones Brandon owns.
The Latis ; There are two in the fifth movie and it's stated previously there was another Latios, whom was the aforementioned duo's father. After the main Latios dies, three other Latis are shown in the sky as Ash and his friends are drifting away from Altomare on a boat while the credits roll.
Deoxys ; Two different Deoxys were featured in the seventh movie, while a third was featured in Pokémon Ranger - Deoxys Crisis!
Phione ; Phione is a legendary only obtained by breeding, and since breeding is the method, it's obvious more than one can be obtained. For further proof, in Hold that Phione there are about 3 shown.
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Sure, quantity is what makes a legendary extra special, as they are rarer than most Pokemon.
But no where does it say there is only one of each legendary.
You make a good point but i don't think there is more then one mew
Posted by: Chu Chu Jan 3 2010, 01:30 PM
Shaymin is a hedgehog that plants flowers, and in the anime it seemed quite well-known and easy to find (that random guy on the train had seen them before.) A legendary pokčmon shouldn't be something any tourist can find if they go looking in a gracidea-field. It seemed more like just a rare pokčmon...who for some reason talked through telepathy (somehow I think any non-psychic pokčmon communicating with that is a bit odd)
uh dragonite's not legendary.
Posted by: Netbug009 Feb 4 2010, 03:19 AM
Pokemon has hinted that there are several of a few legendary Pokemon. Manaphy are multiple as well if the amount of Phione in existence says anything about it. There have been shown to be multiple Darkrais in the anime, seeing how the episode centering on one referenced movie 10 but clearly separated the two. Whether there are multiple Cresslias can be debated. Same goes to Celebi.
Posted by: Unholy Shadow Feb 6 2010, 06:14 AM
I always thought of the legendaries as being rarely seen, hence LEGENDary. I was always told the definition of legend was that you didn't know if it was real or not.
I don't consider it a legendary.
Posted by: gabite92 Feb 7 2010, 05:29 PM
No I don't consider 
a legendary.
Posted by: FancyGranola Feb 7 2010, 05:49 PM
I consider Shaymin a legendary Pokemon.
It's pretty obvious that Shaymin is a lengendary Pokemon because of its high stats and its unability to evolve. I think there was a pretty big hint in one of the Pokemon games where Professor Rowan said that evolution is a way to become "compete". Shaymin doesn't evolve. Shaymin also boasts a high base stat total of 600. That total is tied with many legendaries and pseudo-legendaries. Shaymin also has god-like powers that can transform any polluted field into a lush paradise full of flowers. It can also sense gratitude and communicate with telepathy.
Posted by: arceus58 Feb 8 2010, 04:45 PM
Yes I do consider as a legandary.
Posted by: tepoen98 Feb 8 2010, 04:46 PM
Why wouldn't it be legendary? It is just like every other legendary pokemon.
Posted by: duder5000 Feb 8 2010, 05:18 PM
Zapdos ; In addition to the one in the Orange Islands, a second one was seen in the Johto region in the episode As Clear As Crystal, and a third was seen in the credits of Pokémon Ranger and the Temple of the sea, flying Jack Walker after he captured it with his Capture Styler. A fourth one that was spotted by Team Rocket in Sinnoh in Doc Brock!
Mew ; The bubbly Mew was first seen in the first movie, and later in the special Mewtwo Returns. Another is seen in the eighth movie.
Entei ; It's said an Entei is born every time a volcano erupts, so that definitely hints more than one.
Suicune ; Ash encountered one at the beginning of the Johto story arc, in Don't Touch That 'Dile, again in For Ho-Oh the Bells Toll, and made a vital appearance in the fourth movie. Ash also encountered a Suicune in Sinnoh, near the Valley Windworks in Drifloon On the Wind!
Lugia ; One was seen in the second movie. Two more, a parent and a child, were seen near Silver Rock Isle at the beginning of the Whirl Cup arc of the anime.
Celebi ; Supposedly there is a Celebi for every time frame, as shown in the fourth movie.. now that's a lot of Celebi.
The Regis ; They are shown wild in the Lucario and Mew movie, and then shown again owned by the Pyramid King Brandon. Considering the distance between the two sightings, there is no way those same Regis from the Lucario movie are the same ones Brandon owns.
The Latis ; There are two in the fifth movie and it's stated previously there was another Latios, whom was the aforementioned duo's father. After the main Latios dies, three other Latis are shown in the sky as Ash and his friends are drifting away from Altomare on a boat while the credits roll.
Deoxys ; Two different Deoxys were featured in the seventh movie, while a third was featured in Pokémon Ranger - Deoxys Crisis!
Phione ; Phione is a legendary only obtained by breeding, and since breeding is the method, it's obvious more than one can be obtained. For further proof, in Hold that Phione there are about 3 shown.
so i consider
a legendary
Posted by: Chu Chu Feb 21 2010, 11:16 PM
I don't consider it a legendary.
it doesnt have to be rarely seen to be legendary. they have to go join up at that flower garden to migrate because thats what theyre supposed to do. people know about this event so of course theyd want to go and see them. theyre not gonna cancel the migration cuz of ppl
Posted by: supervulpix Feb 27 2010, 10:16 AM
No. Same for heatran, giratina, and arceus.
Posted by: Wishful Jirachi Feb 27 2010, 10:18 AM
Yep. Shaymin is definitely a legendary and if shaymin is not, then manaphy cannot because there are also more then one, if i am remembering correctly.
Posted by: Mr Cadju Feb 28 2010, 10:10 AM
there are more than one shaymin..
well, lugia isn't the only one in the anime world..It has a son/daughter. but it is still considered as a legendary pokemon.
Maybe they are categorized as legendary because they make a big difference in the pokemon world and they are rarely seen by anyone else.
Posted by: Lord Cybertron Mar 1 2010, 08:54 PM
1. There are more than one.
and
well thats kinda it..... -___-
So celebi, mew ad a few others aren't rare?
Posted by: Verinia Mar 5 2011, 10:40 PM
Why would you call something not legendary when it clearly is? For example, you say that Garchomp is a pseudo-legendary, whose status is almost just like one? Really, if I remember correctly, there are a lot more fuzzy and cute legendaries like Mew, Celebi, Jirachi, and Meloetta!
Posted by: Pikachu15 Mar 21 2011, 09:28 PM
yes yes yes yes yes yes yes it is.
Posted by: SnivyCap Apr 3 2011, 05:32 PM
I definitely think Shaymin is a Legendary! It's an honor for a fellow Grass type to FINALLY be a Legendary, and besides, there are TONS of things that you could prove which would confirm Legendary Status! And for all of those who watched Giratina and the Sky Warrior, people know about Shaymin because of when they turn into Sky Forme and look for another Flower Garden!
Posted by: Shinzu Apr 3 2011, 06:11 PM
She has to be Legendary. Yeah, there are more than one, but I came up with a theory! -Shot- The first of each Legendary species is immortal while any born after that are mortal. So Shaymin is, like, super awesome immortal and all the other ones you see live for the length of a normal Pokemon.
But back to the topic-
If that's your reasoning, we can get rid of Mew, Manaphy, the Regis, Latis, Darkrai and Cresselia, Heatran, Jirachi, /Suicune/, Entei, Raikou, Lugia, Articuno, Moltres...
Posted by: Elegant Flare Apr 26 2011, 11:22 AM
I consider it legendary. I mean, you can't even get it in normal play!
Posted by: okpo Apr 28 2011, 02:49 PM
Yes, because he`s event only and not breedable
Posted by: Aurora6 Apr 30 2011, 01:53 AM
Yes, there wouldn't be an event for it if it wasn't a legendary
Posted by: SilverPT May 16 2011, 01:25 PM
Err... of course? The only pokémon that, in the moment, is considered an legendary and non-legendary at the same time in Phione.
Posted by: Swampert rox May 17 2011, 07:55 PM
The only source showing more than one Shaymin is the anime, which also did stuff like having Pikachu KO a Ground-type with an Electric-type move.
Posted by: amberfunk May 17 2011, 09:58 PM
Yes, shaymin is a legendary pokemon but I don't consider as much of one since there are so many of them in the anime. I could care less how many there are in the game.
Posted by: Chu Chu May 28 2011, 01:30 AM
Orly? What about Ash's Pikahu? Or the Mystery egg being given out at Toys R Us? Or the Pikachu colored Pichu? Are they legendary too? It doesn't have to be legendary to be given out in an event.
Posted by: Le Dernier Absoul May 31 2011, 07:11 AM
I believe there is more than one of every legendary except Mewtwo, Groudon, Kyogre, Rayquaza, Dialga, Palkia, Giratina, Zekrom, Reshiram, and Arceus. They were either created or were made to guard something.
Posted by: Panza Jul 29 2012, 09:32 PM
So are you saying shaymin isn't a legend because of there being multiples of it? (not trying to be a jerk I am just confused on your position)
And correct me if I am wrong but I have never seen pikachu KO a ground-type with and electric-type move in the anime and the only thing that comes close to it is Ash's battle with Pryce but pikachu never KOed his piloswine.
Posted by: Dragonwish2 Jul 29 2012, 10:00 PM
Ah, but if you've seen the earlier Johto saga, there is an episode with a baby and mother Lugia. By that standard, everything could be a legendary. The shows are constantly contradicting themselves.
Posted by: lorks Aug 21 2012, 06:49 AM
well yes, because... it is. just because it looks a bit weak doesn't mean it isn't powerful. also it's part of the pokemon mythos so of course it's legendary.
Posted by: Joxer Oct 4 2012, 03:28 PM
it's kinda legendary...even though it's more than one, it's still damn hard to catch
Posted by: Lugia182 Oct 10 2012, 07:46 AM
Yes I consider it legendary, because it is legendary. Simple 
Posted by: KellieNoire Oct 29 2012, 09:46 AM
Yes, Shaymin is legendary. It was created to be legendary, you obtain it like it's a legendary. It's in the same group as Mew, Celebi, Jirachi, and so on.
Posted by: Fang Oerba Jan 5 2013, 07:57 PM
Well, it's considered a legendary because of the way you get it, and its stats without any evolutions.
Posted by: trainer Jan 5 2013, 08:13 PM
I think shaymin should be a legendary because it's so hard to find and catch.
Posted by: Keldeo Fan 4 Life Jan 5 2013, 09:36 PM
I think Shaymin should be considered a legendary because it, like some other legendary event Pokemon, are hard and rare to get. Kyurem and Giratina have alternate formes, and they are no less legendary than when in one forme or the other. So, it's only fair that Shaymin's a legendary Pokemon, too.
Sorry for the overly long speech.... ^^
Posted by: Frozen Wind Jan 6 2013, 08:31 AM
I consider shaymin as a regular pokemon. It is so small and hopeless, looks weird, nothing like a legendary. legendaries are huge, not shaymin. Especially when it can change forms, that is pretty weird, it totally should be a regular pokemon. Mew is acceptable though.
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