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Posted by: Wymsy Jul 22 2008, 09:41 PM

Yes this thread is about sexuality. We will be discussing these three kinds (basically the ones that people are most familiar with):

Heterosexuality - Sexual attraction to the opposite gender.
Bisexuality - Sexual attraction to both genders.
Homosexuality - Sexual attraction to the same gender.

Please do not be insulting in your wording. This mainly goes for the way some people talk about and view homosexuality. I do not care if you're completely against it, do not be insulting in your wording. Explain yourself instead of being rude.

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My view on all three is that they are completely natural. All three serve a purpose. Heterosexuality promotes reproduction, homosexuality helps control the population to slow down and/or prevent overpopulation, and bisexuality can promote either. Sexuality is not a choice, aside from what some people claim. You cannot change what you are attracted to. You are what you are.

Not much of an opening post, but I wanted to make sure that people actually bother to read it, so I gave more of a summary. I'll wait for people who disagree with my views to come along and post so that I may argue my own points further.

Posted by: SargeJohnson Jul 22 2008, 10:23 PM

This is a copy of a homosexuality debate my friend Ben and I had on our school site's current event's forum. He is the anti-homosexual. Fee, free to edit for clarity and/or content.



BEN
Ill make this quick and to the point.
1.) homosexuals in american society are to highly tollerated
2.) its a known fact that in the bible, you must be married man and woman
3.) i do belive that homesexuality is a choice
4.) it is our only jobs as human beings to reproduce and have offsrping. Bein homosexual stops this, thus ending your only life goal
5.) The goverment ought to do more to controll these from happening
i know that my veiws may be seen as extreme, or at the very least quite conservative bu thats how i feel. anyone disagree? Still its not my life style to be ctritizing but, still that shouldnt change anyhting


ETHAN

2.) its a known fact that in the bible, you must be married man and woman
i really hate repeating myself ben. not everyone is a christian.
3.) i do belive that homesexuality is a choice
4.) it is our only jobs as human beings to reproduce and have offsrping. Bein homosexual stops this, thus ending your only life goal
if it is a choice, then it is their own choice. and that does not have to be everyones goal. would you say that someone who cannot have children, such as through a disease, was wasting their life? or what about some one who decides not to have children?
5.) The goverment ought to do more to controll these from happening
the purpose of our government is to minimize the government's interference in people's lives


BEN
ok here we go
1.) christians are the worlds largest population of any religous mass. It is also the fastest growing religion than any other. WHile were at its like baiscailly saying that all dairy cows dont give milk it just happens.
2.) i belive that if u do aquire a disease or any other problems not relating with your choice, then that is the will of god. In that simple fact then it is way bigger than you or me.
3.) and ethan for being QUITE LIBERAL about this whole gay thing, you ideals on goverment still happen to be QUIET CONSERVATIVE. This is QUIET THE CONTRADICTION, so mabey you need to re-asses where your coming from and where you are basing your morales, or at the very least think about your political view.
4.) and what i am saying about the whole marraige thing, is that if you choose not to have kids or do something to alter your chances of having kids (i.e. being gay) then that it is qrong and you are going against the will of what is ment to be


ETHAN

1.) christians are the worlds largest population of any religous mass. It is also the fastest growing religion than any other. WHile were at its like baiscailly saying that all dairy cows dont give milk it just happens.

just because it is the largest religion does not mean it has a majority of the WORLD populationor is the fastest growing. Christianity only has about 33% of world population. and the largest does not mean the fastest growing. islam is in fact the fastest growing religion.

2.) i belive that if u do aquire a disease or any other problems not relating with your choice, then that is the will of god. In that simple fact then it is way bigger than you or me.

this is just a way to dodge an answer with any meaning. and the will of whose god? christians? muslims?

3.) and ethan for being QUITE LIBERAL about this whole gay thing, you ideals on goverment still happen to be QUIET CONSERVATIVE. This is QUIET THE CONTRADICTION, so mabey you need to re-asses where your coming from and where you are basing your morales, or at the very least think about your political view.

this is just a personal attack because i'm disagreeing with you. personally ben, i don't care what party my views agree with as long as they make sense. you on the other hand, are blind to the logic of politics, and just follow one side of an issue without researching either side. also, how would you know my political views, as i rarely voice them.

4.) and what i am saying about the whole marraige thing, is that if you choose not to have kids or do something to alter your chances of having kids (i.e. being gay) then that it is qrong and you are going against the will of what is ment to be
WE, as in humans, define the way things are by the choices we make. there is no set way that things will happen. the best examples can be found in history. what if the north had lost antietam or gettysburg? or in WW2. what if we had lost the d-day invasion? eisenhower prewrote two letters to the president, one saying that the landings were successful, the other that they were a failure. Nobody knows what will happen in the future, even if we can make guesses.
Also, if a couple does not want to have children that is their own choice. some people can't afford more than two mouths to feed. No one has the right to tell some one else whether or not they should have children, because they would just be playing god.

If we are going to argue god heres something. not all christians are anti homosexual. the pastor at my old church was gay and it was well known, but every sunday the church was still packed to capacity. my brother was baptized there. also, i do not believe god put me on this earth to do something like judge other people's choices. that is not a purpose for a life. i was put on this earth to live my life and make choices to the best of my ability. personal choices, especially on subjects as delicate and personal as sexuality, are no one else's business. and if you have met a gay person, you probably didn't know it. one of my adopted cousins is gay, but you can't tell it just by looking at him.

Posted by: Wymsy Jul 22 2008, 11:03 PM

.... I'd really prefer you type up your own points clearly than copy, paste and then horribly organise an argument from another forum. I assume this "Ben" fellow isn't here, so there's no point in posting his views since I assume he won't come to this thread and properly back them up.

Posted by: FidelCastro Jul 22 2008, 11:24 PM

I realize that this culture is pretty screwed up. On Television, you can steriotype gays and women as much as you want, but I have never heard of a black steriotype on TV that has not been protested. I think that the steriotypes are just that: steriotypes. I know 3 men who are gay, one is my mom's cousin. He owns a strip club(I think), and I had never known that he was gay until my mom told me. I guess I technically know 4 gay men, because my music teacher lives with his boyfrend, but I don't really know him that well. Then there's our friend, howard, who has known my mom sence college. he is running for some kind of office in chicago, and I think he'll win. He's got the kind of sence of humor that only a nazi wouldn't like. My music teacher is also very kind, and he keeps a friendly atmosphere around him. Out of all of those people, I had not known until someone had told me. They are nothing like the steriotypes.

People who say "it says in the bible you can't be married to a person of the same sex" disgust me. I don't know what happened to christianity, but it's going down a bad road. If god loves us all, without exception, then why would he condemn the gays to "hell"? What kind of sadistic god would lie to his creation like that?

Whoops, I'm straying down the religion road. Sorry bout that.

I think I might understand why some people don't think homosexuality is right, or claim not to.
They probably are either gay/lesbian themselves, and got tormented for it, or their parents were gay/lesbian and some kind of problems popped up.

I probably have more to say on the subject, but I can't think of it right now. I also hope I made my point clear, and noone is mistaking what I'm trying to say. Maybe if I was homosexual, I would have more to say. Or if I was in a religious group like... cathloicism or however you spell it. Oh well.

Posted by: Rhonut Jul 23 2008, 06:32 AM

I don't really follow any religion so here is my view. I think people should be able to choose, its whoever they feel happiest with. If homosexuality wasn't tolerated then homosexuals could get really unhappy due to not having a partner or being stuck in a heterosexual relationship which they don't enjoy which could lead to violence and tragedy. I think the world is overpopulated anyway so it doesn't matter if some people are homosexual since it would help keep our numbers down a bit (since we're not getting eaten by predators like the other species) and it means there are more couples to adopt, there are thousands of poor kids out there who need parents but most heterosexual couples want to bring their own children into the world. Possibly to show their love to each other. As long as the couple love each other and if they have adopted or are looking after children they are in a loving reltionship then i consider it fine. I actually think that some homosexuals are more fun to hang round with than some heterosexuals. Just because their homosexual doesn't mean their not human, they do have feelings, they don't all act camp, their not all like the stereotypes and they need someone to love them.

Posted by: Pumpkin King Jul 23 2008, 11:23 AM

one thing that really gets on my nerves is when people use the Bible to prove that homosexuality is wrong. the Bible, excluding some parts, is to be taken symbolically, not literally. how can it be taken literally when it contradicts itself? in the book of matthew, it describes the death of judas. it says that he felt sorry for what he did, returned the money and hung himself. this is the most popularly known death of judas. however, in acts of the apostles, it says that judas spent the money he received on some land. then judas tripped and fell "headlong," bursting open his guts. those are two very different accounts of the same event.

point: the Bible should not be used to prove homosexuality immoral.

Posted by: Rhonut Jul 23 2008, 11:37 AM

I don't think the bible should be used to prove anything. The bible isn't an official book by Jesus or God, it is a collection of stories and as stories are passed down they are often changed, exaggerated and some bits get made up, the bible is these stories, made by people desperate to prove something, therefore they'll make stuff up. It still goes today, its human nature to want to believe in a God and a place to go when we die, because a lot of us fear death because we don't know what it is. People will look for anything to believe that means they won't die or are loved by somebody (Like God) such as the Bible and there are a few who will make stuff up to prove they're not wrong or to keep their religion going. This is just my opinion, I don't know if there is a God or not but I rather not spend my whole life following a religion that, logically, i find difficult to believe. I may change my mind someday but, for now, i choose to follow my own morals.

Posted by: LittleShadowPokemon Aug 2 2008, 05:10 PM

This thread is great. Kudos to all the great arguments about not being able to use the bible to prove anything. My friend went religious and started attending church, and even talked me into going a few times. I really see no point in it. We've tried debating homosexuality, but it was spur of the moment and I couldn't get my thoughts together. But from experience, homophobes and people who protest it to extent, usually have insecure sexuality feelings within themselves.

For the person who posted the stuff from the other forum...It looks like you're both going in circles.

Without all the stereo-typing and pressures, if things were pure and natural, love can be beautiful. Even homosexual love. Plus, you don't have to be gay to appreciate it. I read an article on another by a straight man with a family, wife and kids, but he loved the gay scene and the stereo-typing, but also he just loved gay people. He might fall under a category of metrosexual, but meh...It's a good example I think.

Posted by: Pokii Aug 13 2008, 11:07 PM

crazy.gif z0mg, it'za Christian!

Alrighty, let me start out by saying, yes, I am of the Christian faith. No specific sect; just Christian. However, that does not mean I am a conservative Christian. Not politically conservative, necessarily, but you know who they are. My mother is one and I can't stand her rolleyes.gif

Now that that's out of the way, onto the actual topic at hand. Here be my opinions of above named sexual preferences.

Heterosexuality: Great. Keep up the human race and all that. woot.gif

Homosexuality: Now most Christians get a bad rep, since a lot of Christians apparently are humongous homophobes. Well, let me say that that's not entirely true. Take my aforementioned mother, for example. She thinks that homosexual marriages (and most likely relationships, as well) are wrong because of what the Bible says, but that doesn't mean she's a homophobe. In fact, one of her best friends from high school, a barber named Ed (hehe, Edward scissor-hands), is gay. But they're still great friends. See?

My personal opinion is a little more lax. I'm alright with homosexuality (as long as it's not after me blink.gif ) and the thought of "gay marriage" doesn't even matter one way or the other. I really can't say I see it as such a horrible desecration of a sacred ritual like everyone else, I guess. And of course, I have quite a few gay friends (I go to an art school, so we have all kinds). Am I bothered by the fact that the Bible apparently claims that they're bad people, going to hell? Uh....no. In fact, I don't believe that's the case. I seriously doubt that an "all loving God" would damn people to hell for eternity for something like that. Besides that, they're all really good people, regardless of all that.

And besides, like people said, the human race has become WAY too overpopulated lately, so we could use a little break time.

Bisexuality: Ok, so here's the weird one. I know some bisexuals as well (again, art school), but I still just don't get it. I don't want to say I'm against bisexuality (since it hasn't been of much bother to me), but I'm definitely not for it. I don't know about some people out there, but I for one would never date a girl who was sexually attracted to guys and girls. It'd just be really freaky, but again, that could just be me.

Well, anyway, everyone has an opinion, and that's mine.

Oh, and I could go off on a whole other debate about stereotyping, so don't even start no.gif

Posted by: Damian Aug 13 2008, 11:40 PM

okay i like this topic (good one wymsy)
i was born catholic but not active i jus know a lot of homos out there
but theyre really cool friends of mine

being gay is a choice in a way and not in another
i happen to know some gay people that said they couldnt help noticing the same sex
my best friend is a lesbian and shes naturally comfortable with it
she didnt come out to her family til a year ago
an to top it off....her family is straight up active Christian so....(but they still "sin" so its like O_o.gif??)
by the way......the bible says not do a lot....but were still doin abortions an still doin other bad crap
yeah it says it should be man and women but it also says no to judge others
so whoevers gay is gonna stay gay
believe me theres NOTHING YOU,THE GOVERNMENT,PARENTS,OR CHURCH CAN DO TO CHANGE THAT
homosexuals are still human with different tastes but they still work to live yknow?
sometimes theyre forced into it and thats theyre personal business
theyre not aliens theyre still people that have a thing for the same sex




Posted by: berettapunk Aug 14 2008, 12:07 AM

i personally am straight. i have many gay/lesbian/bi friends. i have even dated lesbians and bi girls before(im male if you didnt know, they just love me that much) i personally believe that the homosexual issue is not a government issue therefore there should be no laws condemning nor condoning marriages. i dont even believe the government should recognize heterosexual relationships to be honost. its just a way for the government to stick their noses in your private life and affairs. im a very anti government person. i just wish both sides would realize that the government has no place telling anyone who can be a couple and who cannot.

whether being gay is a choice or not, its not my place to condemn them to hell. i know many homosexual christians who go to church more often than i do. i know im a terrible womanizer and i dont even like the idea of a woman i am with to be near a guy. and i especially hate thinking about if they were with another guy before me. i dunno i guess thats me being territorial or something. but i have no problem with how people want to live their lives. all i ask is that you be respectful and dont tell me about your homosexual adventure you went on. god knows i dont kiss and tell. thats all i ask is that you dont either lol.

Posted by: lightbird Apr 13 2009, 10:23 AM

I'll just pop in and say that some of my friends are gay, and they're perfectly fine people.

I'm a female heterosexual, though.

Posted by: Dys Tuvai Apr 13 2009, 10:40 AM

I'm personally heterosexual - but I never understood the great big effing deal about homosexuality. As far as I'm concerned, love is love, attraction is attraction, and sex isn't - or at least, shouldn't be - a factor in it. As long as people love each other, what does it matter if they are of the same sex or a different sex?

Posted by: FoxKaiya Apr 13 2009, 03:48 PM

I'm totally fine with all three. I think people should be able to love who they want to love; no strings attached. It bothers me that people are so against homosexuality when people who are gay aren't hurting anyone. Worry about things that are more important, you know what I mean?

... Well, except if you're bisexual. Then you kind of have a choice: guy or girl? XD

Posted by: simplestar70 Apr 13 2009, 03:57 PM

I myself am a Heterosexual, But alot of my mom's friends are gay/bi and they arereally fun to hang out with. We are Athiest and have had a bad expierience with Conservative Christians my grandfather is one who is Racist to everything you can be racist to. My brother dislikes gays to an extent and voted agaisnt them in the California prop to ban gay marriage. That made me, my mother, and my other brother very angry.

My best friend is Bisexual and things can get somewhat awkward. We aren't that old yet so I keep telling her not to make her decision just yet. But being her she has to have her way, Anyways this isnt about her.

Like I said before I have no problems with Homosexuals, or Bisexuals

Posted by: Saya Apr 13 2009, 05:21 PM

I'm a happily bisexual female that has no problem with other people being happy. Who am I to tell you you can't be happy because your lover has the same anatomy that you do?

If you're going to hate on someone because of their sexuality, you have serious problems, and I'll just leave you to your hate.

Posted by: Jaxical Apr 16 2009, 11:47 AM

Hetrosexuality: YAY! Keep the human race going... grin.gif

Homosexuality: Personally... It disgusts me. I don't hate gays, nor do I treat gays differently to straight people. I just don't like hearing what they do in the bedroom. Besides that, I couldn't care less that someone is gay.... UNTIL they bring up the "Gay Marriage" conversation. As I'm firmly against it. No, Gay's shouldn't be allowed to marry. But YES, Gay's should have equal rights. So give them their own NEW ceremony. Marriage is a union between MAN and WOMAN. The Gay Community deserve their own ceremony.

Bisexuality: A load of croak. Only attention seekers claim to be bisexual. Every human being knows what sex turns them on, those that claim both do just want attention.

Posted by: Kiyoko Apr 16 2009, 12:08 PM

I am a Christian and I don't see what's the big deal with being a homosexual or bisexual. I have a gay friend, but my other friends would make fun of him. A homo and a straight person are both human. It's like saying that you are afraid of your own race. Also, I HATE it when Christians twist up bible scriptures to disciminate the homosexuals. no.gif
Oh and another thing, I'm bi-curious. smirk.gif

Posted by: Ultima Apr 18 2009, 02:08 PM

I myself am a lesbian and have had the same girlfriend for 3 1/2 years (Im 17). My younger sisters are bisexual (theyre 9 and 15). My mom is also bisexual. A lot of my friends think that me and my gf are "so cute" and even my extended family knows and they're cool with it (first and so far only same-sex couple in my huge extended family *sweatdrop* ).

Anyways, I do NOT think sexuality is a choice unless youre bisexual and youre deciding whether to go after a guy or a girl XP I also am an Atheist, so I don't think Im going to Hell or whatever... I LOVE transexual people and cross-dressers... Basically the only thing I'm against is people, ESPECIALLY girls, who think they're bisexual or pretend to be to get more guys/girls. THAT annoys the HELL out of me >> But contrary to what people may think, there are actual bisexual people. They really exist. My sister and mom are examples XD

And of course, I'm all for same-sex marriages. I live in Connecticut and I can't wait to marry my girlfriend. I'm also all for same-sex parents adopting and having foster children.

Sorry about my rambling... ^^; I just have a lot to say.

Oh and another thing, DON'T SAY HOMO. It's offensive, srsly >>

Posted by: Harlyn Apr 18 2009, 02:22 PM

I'm heterosexual, but I have no problem with homosexual people. (unless they're blatantly obvious about it and hit on straight friends of mine, in which case I take the side of my straight friend) I'm friends with a lesbian and a gay. I'm Christian, but I still believe that if being attracted to the same sex makes them happy, then, they should just go for it. Plus, I don't think there's a whole lot you can do to change them. Like Wymsy said, it's something you're born with.

Posted by: Bluecrow Apr 28 2009, 01:23 PM

Sexuality is not a choice and all people need equal protection under the law.

I would like to add Asexual to your list, a valid choice as well for those who don't feel the need for sexual contact in any form. While Asexual doesn't get the same stigma as other sexual orientations there still needs to be more acceptance of this as a valid orientation; eg the correct response to "I'm asexual" is not "you just haven't found the right person" that's as bad a saying you just haven't found the right girl to a homosexual man.

Posted by: Sarge Apr 29 2009, 12:35 AM

From an evolutionary (scientific) perspective, I think that human sexuality is more than meets the eye. We don't just have sex to reproduce, we have it for fun, to consumate a relationship, or just to be close to another person. Looking at it in that way, I believe all forms of sexuality - that is, heterosexuality, bisexuality, and homosexuality, are acceptable.

Posted by: chariot Apr 29 2009, 03:05 PM

QUOTE(Pumpkin King @ Jul 23 2008, 12:23 PM) *
one thing that really gets on my nerves is when people use the Bible to prove that homosexuality is wrong.

but then how else will we prove that evolution is all lies and dinosaurs were made up sad.gif

the most obvious proof of homosexuality being natural is that it happens in the animal kingdom, and frequently. almost every species of mammal shows bisexual or homosexual tendencies (as most dog/cat owners know firsthand). so if homosexuality is a sin, i guess all dogs don't go to heaven (if heaven were, you know, real).

Posted by: The Enigmatic Trainer Apr 30 2009, 10:22 AM

i say that as long as homosexuality and bisexuality doesnt affect me in any negative way (and so far it has not) then i say "let there be gays"
i personaly think the thought of 2 men doing actual sexual acts with each other makes me want to gag, but as long as they dont involve me in it, then i dont care what they do
i have a few gay freinds, both man and woman, and i dont have any problem with them, theyre cool

Posted by: VSSAKJ Apr 30 2009, 11:45 AM

Anyone heard of Kinsey before? Kinsey's a great guy. I'm summarising greatly here, but Kinsey basically grafted sexuality as a scale balanced on a point ('bisexuality') with homosexuality at one end and heterosexuality at the opposite. I really like this model because it, for one, goes against the idea that bisexuals are attracted equally to either sex -- I'm bisexual myself, and I can tell you this is not true in my case or that of the majority of bisexuals I know. I also like it because it allows for different inclinations... ie. someone who considers themself straight might be attracted to the opposite sex 95% of the time but find someone of the same gender attractive in a rare situation. It also helps to explain why there was a spike in male homosexual behaviour when women weren't available (because if everyone were as 100% straight as many claim to be, there'd've been a lot more blue balls back in the day).

The issue of gay marriage really irks me, particularly because of how people approach it. Point blank: It's no one else's business. If your church/religion/sensibilities do not approve, too bad. It doesn't hurt anyone for couples of the same sex to be allowed the same privileges as couples composed of two people of the opposite sex. Let me repeat: It does not hurt anyone. The current rates of divorce, child abuse/abandonment and who knows what else came about in societies that glorify heterosexuality. Someone explain to me why that's something to be proud of.

Posted by: Ludocx Apr 30 2009, 12:19 PM

@Vssakj

im bisexual as well and i totally agree with everythying you just said ^^

em I have no idea why people have such a big deal if it doesnt harm them then why should it bother them

Posted by: PeachyMomo May 2 2009, 06:07 PM

I find the argument that homosexuality is not natural and a choice totally illogical and thoughtless. First of all, heterosexuals, could you force yourself to have sex with a member of the same sex and enjoy it? Could you fall in love [although I believe all people have the ability to love regardless of sex or gender], start a life, raise children, get married and be happy? I really doubt it. Not only that, but choosing to be discriminated against, beaten, murdered, raped, arrested, experimented on, abused... isn't something most people would do. Also, it is prevalent in many animal species - many, many, many animal species, including primates. Arguing it is not natural and a choice seems like not thinking.

For those that believe homosexuality is wrong because it is written in the bible, try thinking for yourselves and doing a little research at least before condemning and judging mindlessly before basing your opinion on a book written thousands of years ago by people who condoned beating your children or even killing your children for "sinning" - but for forbidding eating cloven-hoofed animals. It's probably easy to discriminate when you are on the top of the food chain, a white heterosexual worshiping the most powerful religion in the world. That doesn't make you NOT arrogant and foolish however. Not only that, but there are many other religions and beliefs - why is yours so much better? Keep it out of other people's lives, and definitely out of the law. Humans are humans first, and sexuality should not matter. And those that believe it is ruining the definition of marriage, you should check and see how often it has already changed.

Homosexuality is not harming anyone. Unfortunately, heterosexuals who think so are the only ones being harmful. I just don't see how it's anyone's business. And also... it's unfair to say, "It's okay to be gay as long as you keep it to yourself" when heterosexuals are open about their relationships and sexuality every day. Another double standard I can't stand.

I also don't understand why heterosexuals' physical and sexual disgust is okay, but they display heterosexuals kissing and having sex, etc. all the time in the media. Personally, I squirm a bit, but I am no heterophobe; it's just my natural reaction, but I grin and bear it - and I appreciate love in all forms. Why can't heterosexuals?

Of course, sadly, there is some discrimination from homosexuals against bi/pansexuals as well. And against transgenders/genderqueers. It's just sad how divided everyone has to be over something so petty.

Posted by: laskuraska May 2 2009, 08:42 PM

Any sexuality that takes place between consenting adults and does not directly promote any kind of abusive behavior is completely kosher in my book.

Posted by: petrus May 3 2009, 05:38 AM

anyone who thinks it's a choice really knows nothing at all about it. and that's all i'm saying on the matter.

Posted by: Crunch May 3 2009, 01:52 PM

As a gay person, I would like to ask some people:


What is there not to understand about bisexuality? Is it really that hard to wrap your mind around? It's like saying you can only like black or white, and you can't like grey. What's wrong with liking grey?


How dare anyone say one's sexuality is not "real". You don't get to decide other people's sexualities for them. Only they do.

Posted by: Jorian May 3 2009, 05:17 PM

I'm hetero myself, nothing bad or wrong with anything else, just not me ^^

Posted by: Ludocx May 3 2009, 05:25 PM

QUOTE(Crunch @ May 3 2009, 07:52 PM) *
As a gay person, I would like to ask some people:


What is there not to understand about bisexuality? Is it really that hard to wrap your mind around? It's like saying you can only like black or white, and you can't like grey. What's wrong with liking grey?


How dare anyone say one's sexuality is not "real". You don't get to decide other people's sexualities for them. Only they do.

agreed

Posted by: PBK May 3 2009, 08:14 PM

First off, I think it's a bit one-sided to assume that Christians are the only ones against homosexuality. Even the Dalai Lama sees it as unnatural.

Next- Anyone who says that being gay is a choice, obviously isn't gay. I assure you. I wouldn't /choose/ to feel this way. I think we need to draw the line when it comes to the bible here- gay sexual activities are prohibited. Now, being gay is defined in modern days as being attracted to someone of the same sex. So, I think that it is important to articulate between homosexual acts, and those who are homosexually attracted, when speaking in biblical terms.

The way I see it, we should just remove marriage from the gov't lingo. Make everything a civil union. That way, each couple will have the same civil rights and religious institutions can choose for themselves whom they will marry. Many would view marriage as a religious ritual, so I don't think that it would be right to force churches to perform a ritual incorrectly (of course, there are church's who /will/ marry gay people and they should be allowed to do so.)

When it comes to being a Christian, I don't think that Christians should become involved in a homosexual manner. After all, there are plenty of passages that condemn that lifestyle. However, this shouldn't be pushed upon other people. Why? Because it's a religious law... some religions don't allow certain meats to be consumed, others limit people in other way. But, why shouldn't I eat beef if I don't consider it sacred? I think the crux of Christianity is to love other people. Love is patient, love is kind...etc, etc, etc.

Posted by: Lindley May 4 2009, 03:41 PM

@PBK - Sure, there are verses that heavily condemn anal sex (NOT lesbianism, unless you really TRY to twst some lines by Paul that way) not other male-male acts, and no get-out-of-hell-fee card for het anal sex). There's also verses condemning, explicitly and repeatedly, premarital sex. The difference is, the verses are used against gay Christians. Next time I see a minister faced with a bride and groom who have been living together and, instead of performing the wedding ceremony, he has the bride brought to the door of her father's house and killed by flinging rocks at her, then I'll accept that the verses against male anal sex need to be taken seriously in a contemporary context.

As it is, it's people picking and choosing to support their own phobias, prejudices and hatreds, and I won't pretend to treat it as "the Bible says" instead of "The bits of the Bible that support my/my society's ugly prejudices, while conveniently ignoring any verses about the need to fence my roof, for example, says."

I'm a also little startled and sickened by all the "it makes me gag" posts, but I'm assuming that the posters are very young and probably very inexperienced, and hopefully they will learn more about life and be horrified by themselves when they've matured a bit.

Posted by: Ludocx May 4 2009, 03:59 PM

QUOTE(PBK @ May 4 2009, 02:14 AM) *
First off, I think it's a bit one-sided to assume that Christians are the only ones against homosexuality. Even the Dalai Lama sees it as unnatural.

Next- Anyone who says that being gay is a choice, obviously isn't gay. I assure you. I wouldn't /choose/ to feel this way. I think we need to draw the line when it comes to the bible here- gay sexual activities are prohibited. Now, being gay is defined in modern days as being attracted to someone of the same sex. So, I think that it is important to articulate between homosexual acts, and those who are homosexually attracted, when speaking in biblical terms.

The way I see it, we should just remove marriage from the gov't lingo. Make everything a civil union. That way, each couple will have the same civil rights and religious institutions can choose for themselves whom they will marry. Many would view marriage as a religious ritual, so I don't think that it would be right to force churches to perform a ritual incorrectly (of course, there are church's who /will/ marry gay people and they should be allowed to do so.)

When it comes to being a Christian, I don't think that Christians should become involved in a homosexual manner. After all, there are plenty of passages that condemn that lifestyle. However, this shouldn't be pushed upon other people. Why? Because it's a religious law... some religions don't allow certain meats to be consumed, others limit people in other way. But, why shouldn't I eat beef if I don't consider it sacred? I think the crux of Christianity is to love other people. Love is patient, love is kind...etc, etc, etc.

ha I chose and I do choose to be bi.... I never once thought of it before.. then tried it and liked it... its not like an addiction i can stop being gay... obv not the case for every one but how can you sit there and make up everyones minds???

Posted by: StarShinePachirusu May 5 2009, 01:16 AM

I'm bisexual, and I'm Christian I see nothing wrong with Bisexuality, or even homosexuality.

Despite being attracted to both genders, I would not likely perform the forbidden act. But being attracted is no sin. There are more ways than one to show love than just marriage and I'm aware of that. Heck, I've even got a girlfriend. I'm a one person man anyways, so it's not like I'm going to be hunting more mates.

Christians who persecute Homosexuals and bisexuals I cannot stand. Let God be the final judge of who is right and wrong. cat.gif

The way I feel about it, is something I wont bother to push on anyone, and I feel Other Christians should do the same, and avoid pushing it on them, and actually treat them with love, as the bible says they should.

Posted by: Suschan May 5 2009, 01:52 AM

Well me not being much of a believer in god, but I'll share my thoughts.

I personaly have nothing against one's sexuality, I have Bi/homosexual friends...and they are quite normal people like you and me. No difference.

But one of my male friends is a homophobe, of the MALE kind. This remotely annoys me, because he sees everything wrong in being a man together with another man, but no wrong in girls dating eachother.
I am supportive for same genger marriage. (Hey love knows no bounds right?)
I am worried about adoptions, but not that if the children wouldn't get enough love...just if the children are too much bullied because of parents being of the same genger. (Otherwise, please do give children homes, they NEED them)

The stereotypical version of gay people appearing on tv, well amuses me...because well I know not all of the real gays act that way. Even everybodies best friend can be gay and still act normal...not act like a girly guy who owns a little poodle with a pretty boy AND wear girls clothes. (or something similar, and I know that's not the complete stereotype)

On the bibble subject, I respect people of their beliefs but I believe the bibble shouldn't be taken to word by word. It (in my mind, I don't mean to offend so no flames) is a book written by humans FOR humans.
Besides even if our reproduction might be a little lowered, still many many singles or couples who are heterosexuals still don't get children or even get married. Some that get just dump them of other people.

I believe that was my longest post on the foorum. Don't mind typos or grammar, english ain't my mother tongue!

EDIT: corrected a typo in the bibble subject

Posted by: PeachyMomo May 5 2009, 02:00 AM

QUOTE(Suschan @ May 5 2009, 02:52 AM) *
Well me not being much of a believer in god, but I'll share my thoughts.

I personaly have nothing against one's sexuality, I have Bi/homosexual friends...and they are quite normal people like you and me. No difference.

But one of my male friends is a homophobe, of the MALE kind. This remotely annoys me, because he sees everything wrong in being a man together with another man, but no wrong in girls dating eachother.
I am supportive for same genger marriage. (Hey love knows no bounds right?)
I am worried about adoptions, but not that if the children wouldn't get enough love...just if the children are too much bullied because of parents being of the same genger. (Otherwise, please do give children homes, they NEED them)

The stereotypical version of gay people appearing on tv, well amuses me...because well I know not all of the real gays act that way. Even everybodies best friend can be gay and still act normal...not act like a girly guy who owns a little poodle with a pretty boy AND wear girls clothes. (or something similar, and I know that's not the complete stereotype)

On the bibble subject, I respect people of their beliefs but I believe the bibble should be taken to word by word. It (in my mind, I don't mean to offend so no flames) is a book written by humans FOR humans.
Besides even if our reproduction might be a little lowered, still many many singles or couples who are heterosexuals still don't get children or even get married. Some that get just dump them of other people.

I believe that was my longest post on the foorum. Don't mind typos or grammar, english ain't my mother tongue!


I agree with everything stated here. I hate when a person discriminates against either just gay men or just lesbians simply because they are horny bastards who wants to see two guys/two girls together for their own exploitation and pleasure.

I also hate that stereotypical gay on TV. The reason that was created and is so rampant was to make heterosexuals more comfortable with gay men, because when it's "funny" or just "comic relief" it's more comfortable to them. Not to mention that the stereotypical gay man in media is apparently an object to women; someone you only want for "fashion advice" and all this bullshit. That stereotype doesn't really treat gay men like real people and I think causes more harm than good - I know many people who rely on this stereotype. Honestly, what they are displaying seems more like the stereotype you'd think they'd give to Male-to-Female transgenders because they call themselves "girls" and "queens." It's disgusting to think about it either way, though.

Not to mention the only kind of lesbian they feature in the media is the "lipstick lesbian" stereotype, because heterosexual men are more comfortable with that, and apparently find it arousing.

Gah - -;

Posted by: Rairai May 5 2009, 02:10 AM

Having grown up with close friends who are of varying sexualities (with myself being the only 'straight' person in my group of friends) I have become very open to them. In fact, though I'm not bi- or homosexual myself, I am extremely comfortable with being openly romantic and PDAish with people whom I consider friends (I.e. I often walk around holding my friends hands or share a bed with them or sit in their laps)

At school, being called 'gay' is just a playful jest. It is surprisingly open for a high school I've found, but it is also a nice change. Our christian group is mostly all for any relationships, even though there are a few who oppose (they do so quietly and kindly and we respect that) and even quite a few of our teachers are openly gay (two of our male PE teachers are known for being a couple and spend a lot of time teaching classes together).

All in all, it's a case of 'you can't choose who you love', which applies for everyone about everyone else.

Posted by: Lindley May 5 2009, 12:49 PM

@Peachymomo:

I don't think men like that actually like REAL lesbians. They'd probably go rigid with terror and hatred at the sight of unshaved female legs. The same goes for fangirls who write Harry Potter slashfic or squee over "bishies" in yaoi - they don't actually tend to be very gay-friendly when it comes to real gay men or have pictures of hairy leather men up in their rooms. Fantasy "lipstick" lesbians and bishies are created with straight masturbation in mind, but real gay people don't need the opposite sex, and show it every day. Scary, huh?

@Susachan: kids get bullied for all kinds of reasons. People have silly ideas about adopted children, and think it's a case of sweet little babies smelling of talcum powder given up by loving, but poor, single mothers to be adopted by rich heterosexual couples. A child adopted by a same-sex couple at least won't be bullied for going to school stinking of congealed excrement and dried sweat and rotting teeth, or for severe behavioural problems linked to abuse and neglect, which is sadly par for the course for children who get taken away by social workers and offered for adoption. Being born to het families doesn't exactly save them from bullying.

I think kids are far better off in a loving, supportive same-sex family than in a lot of the heteosexual fmailies out there.

Posted by: Doommagic May 5 2009, 05:59 PM

QUOTE(Bluecrow @ Apr 28 2009, 02:23 PM) *
Sexuality is not a choice and all people need equal protection under the law.

I would like to add Asexual to your list, a valid choice as well for those who don't feel the need for sexual contact in any form. While Asexual doesn't get the same stigma as other sexual orientations there still needs to be more acceptance of this as a valid orientation; eg the correct response to "I'm asexual" is not "you just haven't found the right person" that's as bad a saying you just haven't found the right girl to a homosexual man.


Well said. I'm asexual myself and I've had a lot of difficulty with people of other sexualities, whether they're hetero, gay, or bi, trying to wrap their minds around my preference. Apparently they can't seem to comprehend the very idea of me not wishing to be in a relationship or have sex with anybody. I've even been called a robot before by friends just because of this. But I have plenty of platonic feelings and love for my friends and I'm affectionate and will hug on them. I just don't want to date or have sex with any of them, or anyone else for that matter. It's as simple as that. No, that doesn't mean I don't have a libido, though. Because I do. I just don't want anyone else's help with it. I can handle things on my own, thanks.

Posted by: Suschan May 6 2009, 01:54 AM

QUOTE(Lindley @ May 5 2009, 08:49 PM) *
@Susachan: kids get bullied for all kinds of reasons. People have silly ideas about adopted children, and think it's a case of sweet little babies smelling of talcum powder given up by loving, but poor, single mothers to be adopted by rich heterosexual couples. A child adopted by a same-sex couple at least won't be bullied for going to school stinking of congealed excrement and dried sweat and rotting teeth, or for severe behavioural problems linked to abuse and neglect, which is sadly par for the course for children who get taken away by social workers and offered for adoption. Being born to het families doesn't exactly save them from bullying.

I think kids are far better off in a loving, supportive same-sex family than in a lot of the heteosexual fmailies out there.

You have good points

I know I know, being bullied myself, for stupid reasons. (And I'm from a single parent family and I love living in it)
And I'm not against people of the same-sex taking in children, I'm quite happy if children/babies/teens get to go to a loving family regardless of who are in the family.

Actualy I don't even have a imagine of what a adopted child looks like, I think it's a kid just like everyone else. And social workers don't take away children if the child of right age. (A younger friend of mine is getting an apparment through the social workers) But this is getting off topic.

And you must have been tired when you wrote this. I hope you didn't have a rough day or anything. (don't take this in the wrong way, I'm just worried)

Posted by: Lindley May 6 2009, 02:27 AM

@Suschan - not taking it the wrong way, but why? Because I suffer from the typo monster? *grin* Sorry about that. Or because I was stressed? It's kind of an emotional topic for me.

On same-sex adoption, Be My Parent org UKs May feature is on gay and lesbian adoption, there's all kinds of stuff on their website under Features.

Posted by: DwaynaDF May 8 2009, 05:21 PM

Righto, here's my short little run down of what I think about the different sexualities.

Heterosexual: These people are amusing in so many ways sometimes. I like them, just so long as they're accepting of me.

Homosexual: Honestly, I don't see the big fuss about it. "OH NOES, a book says we can't do it, so it must be true!" Honestly, people. The only book you should ever follow is the one telling you what the laws of your country is. They are human beings, and are no less of such just because they were born different.

Bisexual: I am one. Enough said. But in other instances, we -can- be loyal to one partner, regardless of their gender. It's like a normal relationship: You may look at other people and think their gorgeous/handsome, but as long as you don't cheat, then there's no problem. We're also scrutinized, and some people say it's just attention seeking. Right. I totally imagine myself with another woman sometimes just for fun or all the relationships I've had with men have been totally faked. rolleyes.gif

Posted by: Emphyria May 11 2009, 07:16 PM

I must admit that I have a varied view on certain aspects of sexuality...

Homosexuals I have nothing against, I consider this natural and genetic. If you are attracted to the same sex, it makes you happy and you're comfortable with your choice then I'm happy for you.

Heterosexual is the category I fall under. I'm neutral towards this standpoint given that it's the most 'natural' so to speak. It promotes reproduction, is the most common type of sexuality and appears throughout the animal kingdom. It's difficult to have an opinion on it.

Bi-sexual though?

*Winces*

This is where it gets awkward for me. In a manner of speaking I always regard it as "You're either one or the other". This isn't from a religious stand point (I'm not religious), this is from a PERSONAL stand point. When it comes to the Bi-sexual population I actually consider them to be quite...greedy? I know that may come off as offensive to people in this sect but that's how I regard it. It's as if this particular sect can't make up their mind, if things don't go there way with one sex they do a 180 and go for the other for a while which isn't something I can stomach very well. In my view it's along the lines of indecision and so forth (or such is my thought process).

That isn't to say I wouldn't associate with bi-sexuals or befriend them but I would never date them or take an interest in that aspect of their lives because it is one of the few things I can't stop myself from wrinkling my nose at in distaste. I hate being one to judge and I hate it when people lack in tolerance myself which is why I find it so hard to admit, but that would be one of the few things I can't meet eye to eye on.

However!

I will not and never will begrudge anyone their chosen lifestyle. While I admit there may be some I can't tolerate very well I don't rule their lives and in a world like this it's nearly impossible to decipher what's "wrong" and what's "right", particularly on this subject. If they're happy then that's all that matters; I'd just appreciate it if they didn't involve me in it as that would become awkward.

Sorry if I sparked a few people in what I said, it's not meant to be provocative but explaining my thought processes is a little difficult when I have to admit to a lack of tolerance.

Posted by: Crunch May 12 2009, 04:11 PM

QUOTE(Emphyria @ May 11 2009, 08:16 PM) *
I must admit that I have a varied view on certain aspects of sexuality...

Homosexuals I have nothing against, I consider this natural and genetic. If you are attracted to the same sex, it makes you happy and you're comfortable with your choice then I'm happy for you.

Heterosexual is the category I fall under. I'm neutral towards this standpoint given that it's the most 'natural' so to speak. It promotes reproduction, is the most common type of sexuality and appears throughout the animal kingdom. It's difficult to have an opinion on it.

Bi-sexual though?

*Winces*

This is where it gets awkward for me. In a manner of speaking I always regard it as "You're either one or the other". This isn't from a religious stand point (I'm not religious), this is from a PERSONAL stand point. When it comes to the Bi-sexual population I actually consider them to be quite...greedy? I know that may come off as offensive to people in this sect but that's how I regard it. It's as if this particular sect can't make up their mind, if things don't go there way with one sex they do a 180 and go for the other for a while which isn't something I can stomach very well. In my view it's along the lines of indecision and so forth (or such is my thought process).

That isn't to say I wouldn't associate with bi-sexuals or befriend them but I would never date them or take an interest in that aspect of their lives because it is one of the few things I can't stop myself from wrinkling my nose at in distaste. I hate being one to judge and I hate it when people lack in tolerance myself which is why I find it so hard to admit, but that would be one of the few things I can't meet eye to eye on.

However!

I will not and never will begrudge anyone their chosen lifestyle. While I admit there may be some I can't tolerate very well I don't rule their lives and in a world like this it's nearly impossible to decipher what's "wrong" and what's "right", particularly on this subject. If they're happy then that's all that matters; I'd just appreciate it if they didn't involve me in it as that would become awkward.

Sorry if I sparked a few people in what I said, it's not meant to be provocative but explaining my thought processes is a little difficult when I have to admit to a lack of tolerance.



This is where I repeat my question. Why does it have to be one or the other? Why can't someone simply be attracted to both sexes?

It's like saying you can only like dogs or cats. Cannot someone simply like both dogs or cats and appreciate each of them for their own unique qualities?

I do appreciate your last statement; whatever your beliefs, it's good to not begrudge others. I just fail to understand how bi-sexuality can seem so hard to understand to both heterosexuals and homosexuals sometimes.

Posted by: Mist Wanderer May 14 2009, 12:48 AM

The word 'choice' thrown into sexuality continues to bug me. It's not a choice. How you express it is, yes, but you don't choose your sexuality.

Anyway...there's no inherent problem with any particular sexual orientation. Nor are any of them unnatural--since when did unnatural mean 'bad' anyway? Cities are unnatural. Houses are unnatural. Even clothes are unnatural. It's not a bad thing, even if it was unnatural not to be heterosexual...but it isn't. It's laughable to attempt to claim that a biological condition is unnatural.

I know several bisexuals, and trust me when I say that 'getting bored of one side' is not the case. They just don't see gender as a particular issue in being attracted to someone. I kind of wish i was bi.

Posted by: SyrusDragon May 14 2009, 01:15 AM

Well...I was born a Christian....converted over to Wiccan. I'm fine with all three. I am a female bisexual...I take love as it comes. My mum always told me, "Loves Knows no Gender" What does it matter if one is bi or homo? I think we can't choose our sexuality. Like me, one day some people may find one of their same gender friends VERY attractive. Though not everyone will, only some. I still find guys attractive.....I'm glad I found a guy that loves me for who I really am and doesn't mind that I have a girlfriend too. lol

If your happy, what does it matter what your sexuality is?

Posted by: lydiab02 May 15 2009, 11:22 PM

It really saddens me about both sides how the religious text is interpreted in this sense:
For one thing, people aren't condemned to hell for being homosexual or bisexual nor do straight people get a free all-expense-payed trip to heaven. People interpret this the wrong way. It may be a sin according to the Bible, but it's not somehow magically more of a sin than stealing a candy bar or fighting with your parents. How many of us, according to the Bible, would then be condemned to hell for committing a sin? I thought so.

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I apologize if this offends anyone, as it was not intended to do so. As always, this is just one person's opinion on the subject and is free to be discussed.

Posted by: Crunch May 17 2009, 10:04 PM

QUOTE(lydiab02 @ May 16 2009, 12:22 AM) *
It really saddens me about both sides how the religious text is interpreted in this sense:
For one thing, people aren't condemned to hell for being homosexual or bisexual nor do straight people get a free all-expense-payed trip to heaven. People interpret this the wrong way. It may be a sin according to the Bible, but it's not somehow magically more of a sin than stealing a candy bar or fighting with your parents. How many of us, according to the Bible, would then be condemned to hell for committing a sin? I thought so.

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This! It boggles the mind how there can be people that are so against homosexuality, calling it a sin guaranteed to send you to hell, but conveniently ignore the laws against say, eating shellfish or mixing fibers. All sins are equal in your god's eyes. If you're going to condemn homosexuality, but refuse to have the other laws applied to you, then condemn it on the basis of the passage in Romans, not on the Old Testament.

Posted by: Emphyria May 18 2009, 04:10 PM

Just in response to your previous post Crunch - I can't really explain WHY I feel that way. The easiest way I can really describe it is when you think of opposing cultures. I'll use an extreme example to try and make it as clear as possible.

I live in a "civilised" world, I put that in inverted commas because some may beg to differ.

In the jungle there are cannibalistic tribes - to me this is brutality. I can't understand why they would take part in these acts, I can't understand why they aren't horrified by it.

Now if they came to civilised society here, it's highly unlikely they would understand or like OUR way of living.

In a manner of speaking it "Does not Compute". It just doesn't make sense.

I'm aware that scientists have proven that homosexuals and heterosexuals differ biologically yet no such research has been done to explain how or why Bi-sexuals are the way they are. So to me you are either "one or the other"; because that has been proven by scientific evidence.

I can understand your point of view and exasperation at why hetero/homosexual people can't understand your way of life but there's a good chance they're a bit like me. It just doesn't make sense to me, it doesn't compute and in my head it just doesn't work...all it springs to mind is "greedy".

I'm sorry that's really the only way I can explain it. I can't speak for anyone but myself, but that's how I perceive things to be in Emphy-World. ._.;

Posted by: johnrichard1991 May 18 2009, 04:40 PM

I'm a homosexual myself, so I know for a fact that it's not a choice.
I even tried to "choose" to be Bisexual, but I'm not. I can't do it.
I've come to accept it. In fact, I even like it!

I'm not against anti-homosexual's, it's just that some of them can be a bit mean.
My whole family is full of them, and it wasn't a fun adventure when I told my Dad...last week.

Posted by: Hikarii May 19 2009, 04:08 AM

Homosexuality CAN be a choice, though I know that in many cases it isn't. Just had to mention that. Either way, it shouldn't matter whether you chose to be homosexual or you were born that way; you are the way you are and you should be loved for who you are!

Posted by: Iulius Caesar May 20 2009, 05:34 PM

Homosexuality and Bisexuality are not sins as defined by the Catholic Church; the acts are what are sins. In other words, "You can be gay, but you can't BE gay."

Which I find bullshit of course. Considering I'm bisexual and there's nothing wrong with me. Sexuality is not a choice, you can't train yourself to be a certain sexuality. It's also not stemmed from some "mental defect" because then all of us would be running around like we belong in the Psych ward.

Posted by: Kurai H May 20 2009, 09:51 PM

I myself am bisexual and see absolutely nothing wrong at all with homosexual marriage. And one thing about the people that use the bible as the "weapon against homos" just confuses me... They are attacking an entire society because they love each other just because of one verse of the old testament which can be translated to almost anything, while that same collection of stories said that the christian god hates shrimp and that it is a forbidden food, why aren't they protesting against the seafood restaurants that use shrimp in nearly every dish?

Posted by: Animato May 20 2009, 10:05 PM

My parents raised me to be open-minded, though I am heterosexual. I have nothing against bisexuals or homosexuals. Many of my friends are in fact either bisexual or homosexual. Though my mother doesn't care about other people's sexuality she's AGAINST gay marriage. I found that disturbing because I was perfectly content with it. She was so set against it and it made me want to punch her. Why not let two people in love have the same rights you have? It's just all too confusing to me because sexuality is closely linked with religion. I being Atheist don't believe in God or the bible and so it makes my views different.

I'm not too sure if it can be a choice or not. I myself am not either bi or gay so I have no say.

Posted by: Crunch May 22 2009, 11:07 PM

QUOTE(Emphyria @ May 18 2009, 05:10 PM) *
Just in response to your previous post Crunch - I can't really explain WHY I feel that way. The easiest way I can really describe it is when you think of opposing cultures. I'll use an extreme example to try and make it as clear as possible.

I live in a "civilised" world, I put that in inverted commas because some may beg to differ.

In the jungle there are cannibalistic tribes - to me this is brutality. I can't understand why they would take part in these acts, I can't understand why they aren't horrified by it.

Now if they came to civilised society here, it's highly unlikely they would understand or like OUR way of living.

In a manner of speaking it "Does not Compute". It just doesn't make sense.

I'm aware that scientists have proven that homosexuals and heterosexuals differ biologically yet no such research has been done to explain how or why Bi-sexuals are the way they are. So to me you are either "one or the other"; because that has been proven by scientific evidence.

I can understand your point of view and exasperation at why hetero/homosexual people can't understand your way of life but there's a good chance they're a bit like me. It just doesn't make sense to me, it doesn't compute and in my head it just doesn't work...all it springs to mind is "greedy".

I'm sorry that's really the only way I can explain it. I can't speak for anyone but myself, but that's how I perceive things to be in Emphy-World. ._.;


First, to clarify, I am homosexual myself, not bisexual.

I see what you are trying to say, but I still don't understand why bisexuality seems "greedy". It's not as if all bisexuals are actively choosing to like both males and females in order to have some supposed increased chance to "get some", and it's not as if every bisexual is dating both a guy and girl at the same time. Bisexuality doesn't work that way.

Bisexuality is an attraction, not a method of relationship. Having multiple partners would be polyamory. It's this tendency to think only in a binary fashion that leads to an inability to comprehend liking more than one sex. I encourage you to check out the Kinsey Scale some time.

Posted by: Otawan Jun 10 2009, 10:05 PM

A) I don't think homosexuality is a choice. I'm heterosexual, so I don't have a first hand experience or knowledge on this, but most people who claim it is a choice don't either.

B) Look at Rome, they were a fully functioning and advanced society with homosexuality. Rome was obviously advanced for it's time, and if anyone wants to argue that homosexuals can degrade a society, then Rome will is my argument.

C) I think there are real bisexuals out there, who are attracted to both genders, but I also think a lot of people who are unsure of themselves use this term too freely.

To be breif, I think homosexuality definitely has it's place in society, it's neither wrong, disgusting or un-natural.

Posted by: InsanePenguin Jul 14 2009, 12:50 AM

I, personally, really hate people who want to act like homosexuality is morally wrong. Gay people are not affecting their lives. And if they think that homosexuality is wrong because of gays not reproducing, then they can chew on this fact: There are a lot of children in this world who have no parents. If you are a protester of homosexuality, that answer me this, please. Would you really only accept people in this world who go in pairs of different gender, and reproduce rather than adopt? What is wrong with gay people adopting children? We've already got enough people. We don't need to produce lots and lots more.

Thanks for reading.

I encourage all types of sexuality, and that was my argument for homosexuality!

Posted by: Crystal Shards Jul 14 2009, 07:31 AM

I have no problem with anyone of any kind of sexuality, so long as it's between two consenting adults. If you want to have an orgy, go ahead. If you want to screw guys, girls, both, neither, do so. I really couldn't care less about your sex life, and I don't see how you getting married affects me getting married, unless we happen to be into the same guy.

And I don't get the "It's unnatural" argument. Did you wake up one day and say to yourself, "Ya know, I think I'm going to be straight"? I know I never did. It just happened. Why do people assume that it's different for gays? Who would intentionally pretend to like men or women to get beat up and denied rights? That's stupid.

Posted by: Sarean Jul 14 2009, 03:20 PM

Yeah, I'm gay. There's no way on earth anyone could convince me to come out in RL. No one would want to be my friend anymore. Say someone really doesn't care about sexuality, what are the odds he or she is going to risk being a social outcast just so they can make another friend. Quite slim. And I'm not on good terms with my family, so it would just make that worse as well.

I plan to grow up and move far away from where I am, and then I can live alone. Hey, I never said I wanted to be gay. It just happened. I don't want to get into a relationship with another guy.

Posted by: Reyo Jul 14 2009, 04:00 PM

I am a Heterosexual. I know for a fact that I am a heterosexual because I find myself sexually attracted to women and not men. I've seen both types of porn and had both types of thoughts, and 100% of the time I've been more sexually attracted to women.

This is not to say that I am a homophobe. I personally don't care if you're gay or bisexual. I used to think "Have you tried...NOT being gay?" when I was younger, but I realized that it conflicted with my view on "to each his own." so that stopped rathor quickly.

And personally, I find it rediculous when people bring religion into the debate. Everytime it does, I poke holes in the logic. "God created both man and woman right?" Yes. ""And this God is incapable of making a mistake right?" Yes. "So then why would God create something that he hated?" But being a homosexual is a choice. "Then why would God make such a choice physically possible? If God didn't like Homosexuality, then wouldn't he just *poof* it away?" Because Homosexuality is a result of Adam and Eve eating the apple of knowlege. "And who created this apple?" God of course. "Then why would God create something that would lead people to do something that he hates?" It serves as a test. "What test? Is there proof of this test?" The Bible. "*goes on to further display that the Bible is a result of the mistakes of man and is not the direct work of God.*"

And then there's the "Jesus taught us to "love thy neighbor", which is made clear in the Bible. Why wouldn't God feel the same way?" argument.

Posted by: Zoreta Jul 16 2009, 04:42 PM

On the bisexual thing- In my opinion, it is not a case of, "I'll be bi so I get more sex"

There is a spectrum of hetero <------> bi <------> homo, and it is really like a probability chart.
Let's say there is a man who is bi, mostly hetero. They would be more likely that there chosen partner is female, but there is also a small chance they'll have a male partner.
If said man had five relationships over the course of several years, chances are most of them would be women (3-4), but a couple of men also (1-2).

Posted by: Crystal Shards Jul 16 2009, 05:12 PM

QUOTE(Zoreta @ Jul 16 2009, 04:42 PM) *
On the bisexual thing- In my opinion, it is not a case of, "I'll be bi so I get more sex"

There is a spectrum of hetero <------> bi <------> homo, and it is really like a probability chart.
Let's say there is a man who is bi, mostly hetero. They would be more likely that there chosen partner is female, but there is also a small chance they'll have a male partner.
If said man had five relationships over the course of several years, chances are most of them would be women (3-4), but a couple of men also (1-2).


What you're describing is known as the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kinsey_scale, and I completely agree.

Posted by: Zoreta Jul 16 2009, 06:06 PM

I've seen the Kinsey Scale before, and I agree with his thinking on a general basis- on specifics I do deviate a bit, but his larger ideas make sense to me.

Posted by: UpsideDown Jul 19 2009, 07:18 PM

People should be able to love who they want to. You don't choose who you love, you just fall in love with them, whether they be the same or opposite sex as you. We should step up and accept people for who they are.

Posted by: Zoezxxx Jul 20 2009, 12:22 AM

I'm straight and have nothing against gays/bisexuals. most of my friends are actually of that sexual nature. But sometimes i wish i was a lesbian so i could be treated nicely instead of boys being all icky LOL

Posted by: Reyo Jul 20 2009, 12:49 AM

QUOTE(Zoezxxx @ Jul 20 2009, 12:22 AM) *
I'm straight and have nothing against gays/bisexuals. most of my friends are actually of that sexual nature. But sometimes i wish i was a lesbian so i could be treated nicely instead of boys being all icky LOL


Sometimes I wish for the same thing. I already like girls, and for some reason Lesbianism in more tollerable in today's society.

Posted by: laskuraska Jul 20 2009, 01:08 AM

Being a bi (pan?) sexual myself and having had an especially hard time as a teenager because of my attraction to members of the same sex and some individuals not included in the accepted binary (yes traps go ahead and laugh I'm not ashamed anymore), I am of the opinion that it is more wrong to deny "alternate" sexualities than it could ever be to live and let live. The fact of the matter is that being in love (or in lust) with someone of the same sex literally doesn't hurt anybody, all it does is guarantee that some people won't be ending up with any unwanted offspring. Now what does hurt people a lot is calling that attraction, be it love or lust, wrong. Not only can a strong wording as we often hear in the United States entice those of lesser mental fortitude to commit acts of violence against those brave enough to be who they are; a person denying to him or her self his or her attractions becomes angry or frustrated and feels alienated and terrible about him or her self, and in some cases ends up committing acts of violence against others.

Homo and bi sexualities aren't wrong, putting a moral judgement on people who have them is.

Posted by: knil1 Jul 20 2009, 02:16 AM

I love these kinds of Debates.

I believe that sexual orientation is dependant only on the person himself/herself.

It is debatable wether or not that Homosexuality is a genetic disorder (With Bisexuality being a less serious "case"). But if it was, I doubt that a homosexual person would know wether it was his choice or a disease anyway.
Not to be offensive in any way at all, but an autistic individual has absolutely no idea that they are autistic. If a person is gay/lesbian, how would they know if it was genetic?
Exactly. They don't.

And another thing about Homo/Bi-sexuality, I think that there is a percentage that just wants attention. It has been recorded that there has been an increase in girls who are bisexual. Wether they are serious, or just want attention, it is unsure. But think about it, there isn't one individual who doesn't want attention.
Not one.

I personally like the homosexual population, they're nicer than the judgmental heterosexuals. Thay raise property value (only god knows the real reason why) they adopt orphaned children (Most people should know why) And are in general a great group. But at times, they are very annoying. Why do the Homosexuals get so much attention?

But I think every sexual orientation is fine.

Besides, how do I turn on other guys just for fun? It's not just because of what I do, It's because they are a little gay.
It's a lot of fun though tongue.gif

And for all of you religion freaks screaming that "God only wanted Heterosexual love on this planet!"
If Gays were removed from this Earth, who would adopt those poor orphans that god has cared for so much? (besides those straight couples afraid of sex)
Somethin' to think about.

I like to believe that everyone is actually bisexual, it's just that most people end up falling in love with someone of the opposite sex.
It seems most people here are a bit bisexual anyway -_-.gif

Posted by: Crystal Shards Jul 20 2009, 04:06 AM

QUOTE(knil1 @ Jul 20 2009, 02:16 AM) *
If Gays were removed from this Earth, who would adopt those poor orphans that god has cared for so much? (besides those straight couples afraid of sex)
Somethin' to think about.


Please tell me that's a joke, because there are plenty of straight couples who OPT not to have kids, and plenty of people who have trouble conceiving or can't have children at all. Not to mention single people adopt as well.

Posted by: Lindley Jul 20 2009, 04:18 AM

QUOTE(Crystal Shards @ Jul 20 2009, 10:06 AM) *
Not to mention single people adopt as well.

Bizarrely enough, single GAY people adopt as well - I don't know why you seem to assume that single people who adopt are all straight.

The real problem with all the children who need adopting and aren't isn't just a shortage of potential adoptive parents - it's the straight parents who are obsessed with the idea that, because of what they do in bed, they have a God-given right to a BABY (and under their own logic, God has obviously decided they don't, or why wouldn't they conceive?) and won't even look at the older (older meaning 3+, for heaven's sake) children who desperately need placing. Because they neeeeeed a baby, and anything else is somehow cheating them of their rights as heterosexuals.

So let's not dismiss the need for same-sex couples and gay and lesbian folk who adopt children who desperately need love , security and therapuetic parenting, okay?

Posted by: Crystal Shards Jul 20 2009, 04:26 AM

QUOTE(Lindley @ Jul 20 2009, 04:18 AM) *
QUOTE(Crystal Shards @ Jul 20 2009, 10:06 AM) *
Not to mention single people adopt as well.

Bizarrely enough, single GAY people adopt as well - I don't know why you seem to assume that single people who adopt are all straight.


I didn't say single straight people. I was referring to single people in general, but I can see how in context that comment would have come off that way. I didn't assume anything though, and if you look at what I was commenting against, the case for gays adopting had already been made.

Posted by: FearTheSpork Jul 20 2009, 11:08 AM

A small group of friends and I usually hang out on a Tuesday night, and last week, a male member of the group told us he had a secret that he was too scared to tell us. He'd taken a lot of shit from people over the past year at his new school, because he acts in a very erractic and somewhat steriotypical homosexual manner. However, us, his close friends, always new that he was just messing about.

He said that he didn't want to tell us in case we hated him for it, which to us seems impossible as he's just so loveable. He eventually told us that he'd met a guy to whom he was attracted.

Our reactions? "Oh right. So what's he like then? Cute? I bet he's cute. eyes.gif "

He actually sat there for ten minutes going... omg.gif

People should be who they want to be, not who others think they should be. He's a lot happier now that we know, and we won't turn our backs on him just cause he's gay. Although the gay jokes will be coming think and fast XD



Posted by: King Calamity Jul 20 2009, 12:10 PM

QUOTE(knil1 @ Jul 20 2009, 12:16 AM) *
I like to believe that everyone is actually bisexual, it's just that most people end up falling in love with someone of the opposite sex.
It seems most people here are a bit bisexual anyway -_-.gif


... yaaaahhhh... im gonna have to disagree with that. i may not have any problem with gay people as long as they arent in my face about it, but the thought of two guys doing sexual things with eachother still makes me want to vomit up my guts. im not at all bisexual.

Posted by: Icedevimon Jul 22 2009, 11:25 PM

Oh boy. I can't read this whole thread right now, so I'll just jump in with what I see straight away.

That's tough for me. See, I do believe in some sort of Kinsey scale logic exists, hence a large number of boys and girls being curious about the same sex in middle school and high school, but I don't think it's incredibly predominant.

For those of you that aren't aware of the Kinsey scale, it's basically a scale from 0-6, with 0 being exclusively heterosexual and 6 being completely homosexual. I do think that a large portion of people fall within the range of 1-5, with most being somewhat interested in the opposite of whatever is their dominant disposition, but I won't deny that there can't exist people in the 0 or 6 category.

I am bisexual myself. I didn't choose it. I sat up in bed one night and tried to think of why being around my best friend made me so happy, and thus I realized that I was in love. She'd saved my life once, you see, and I suppose that left a huge impact on me. I didn't just decide that I was going to love her, it happened :S And when I realized it was love, I wasn't freaked out or anything, because it just felt natural. Huh. How odd, eh? Since then I've never fallen as deeply in love, but I have been attracted to both males and females.

Posted by: Iulius Caesar Jul 24 2009, 12:33 PM

QUOTE(Zoezxxx @ Jul 20 2009, 01:22 AM) *
I'm straight and have nothing against gays/bisexuals. most of my friends are actually of that sexual nature. But sometimes i wish i was a lesbian so i could be treated nicely instead of boys being all icky LOL


Not all guys are dicks, and people will still always mistreat you, so being a lesbian (or even gay or bisexual) won't change that.

Posted by: Spearow Jul 24 2009, 11:15 PM

First post of this thread frames homosexuality as a biological imperative, which I find pretty interesting. I'm not sure I really agree with that view - not that I believe it's a "choice", but I'm not sure that it really serves any evolutionary purpose. I mean sure, on a large scale it's better to have less people reproducing at this point in time, but that isn't really something you'd seem to evolve towards in that it doesn't really directly aid an individual in surviving? Unless you just meant that it happens to have worked out conveniently that some of the population has no desire to reproduce, in which case yeah.

People always talk about finding a "gay gene" but for some reason I just feel skeptical about that existing, or at least in such a simple form. It seems more likely that it would be a combination of environmental and genetic factors, or that the cause would vary from person to person, but who knows? That's why studies of homosexuality in nature as well as nature vs. nurture studies featuring twins and such are so relevant to this area of debate, or whatever you'd want to call it. fascinating stuff!

ANYWAY ENOUGH TRYING TO SOUND LIKE A SCIENTIST I look forward to the day when lines separating different sexualities and the boundaries of gender are blurred and forgotten, or at the very least are not considered an excuse to treat people badly.

Posted by: knil1 Jul 24 2009, 11:32 PM

QUOTE(Crystal Shards @ Jul 20 2009, 05:06 AM) *
Please tell me that's a joke, because there are plenty of straight couples who OPT not to have kids, and plenty of people who have trouble conceiving or can't have children at all. Not to mention single people adopt as well.


And I honestly can't remember if it was a joke or not, but I remember debate saying that.
And Now that I re-read my post, I feel like a retard. -_-.gif

QUOTE(King Calamity @ Jul 20 2009, 01:10 PM) *
QUOTE(knil1 @ Jul 20 2009, 12:16 AM) *
I like to believe that everyone is actually bisexual, it's just that most people end up falling in love with someone of the opposite sex.
It seems most people here are a bit bisexual anyway -_-.gif


... yaaaahhhh... im gonna have to disagree with that. i may not have any problem with gay people as long as they arent in my face about it, but the thought of two guys doing sexual things with eachother still makes me want to vomit up my guts. im not at all bisexual.


I know you're saying that you don't have anything against gays, but I thought I should take the opportunity to say that, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iSnNHUaNR_8 is a little bit gay.
(Clich the link)




Posted by: Icedevimon Jul 25 2009, 12:03 AM

Well, there are biological implications, especially with the multiple son thing that seems to occur. My aunt is a lesbian . . . I'm bisexual. It 'could' be coincidence, but I don't know, it seems interesting. It's possible there is a link.

Posted by: Viola Sep 11 2009, 02:30 AM

QUOTE(Zoreta @ Jul 16 2009, 05:42 PM) *
On the bisexual thing- In my opinion, it is not a case of, "I'll be bi so I get more sex"

There is a spectrum of hetero <------> bi <------> homo, and it is really like a probability chart.
Let's say there is a man who is bi, mostly hetero. They would be more likely that there chosen partner is female, but there is also a small chance they'll have a male partner.
If said man had five relationships over the course of several years, chances are most of them would be women (3-4), but a couple of men also (1-2).


I think that explains my situation fairly well. XD

I normally label myself 'lesbian', just to cut down on the confusion, but I'm more bisexual (or pansexual, but that isn't too much the issue here). When I say 'bisexual', I find a lot of guys drooling over me and saying, "Can I watch you with another girl?" Besides being immature, it's very disrespectful. 'Bisexual' does not automatically mean 'loose' and the tendency of some people's thoughts to infer that is a bit annoying. I also find, labeling myself as 'lesbian' gets a lot of "yeah, righttttt" type reactions. I don't really know why the people I meet tend to do that.

At any rate, I am a bisexual, technically. I prefer female partners and the majority of the people I have dated (short and long term) have been female, though I have dated some males. I am not attracted specifically more to males or females, in a physical sense. There are attributes of both sexes I find appealing. And, it is not that I like both 'masculine' females and males or both 'feminine' males and females. I prefer fairly 'masculine' males (strong build, ect.) and 'feminine' females. I tend toward relationships with females, I think, purely for reasons of personality.

I find, when I look at everyone I have dated (male and female), I find certain personality traits I like. I find that they all are, in some ways, alike. However, the caring, gentleness, companionship, and sensitivity that I seek out is generally easier to find among females than it is males, which may account for my preference. I go into a relationship looking for something lasting, that would be stable and possibly permanent and many males don't quite seem to view things this way.

Being honest, though, it takes a great deal to make me want to be in a relationship with a male. He has to be amazing. My standards for females (sad to say XD ) are somewhat more flexible. I really couldn't tell you why that is. XD Except perhaps I have more female friends and get to know more females, and a person's personality is the main drawing factor for me. Perhaps it is because girls are more emotionally open and affectionate. One, all, none of these reasons, maybe? Not that figuring it out really matters to me at this point in my life. I was open to all possibilities (genders, races) and I let myself like who I would and I just happened to find love with a female that I can foresee lasting a lifetime. Chance, fate, whatever you call it.

Posted by: angst muffin Sep 12 2009, 02:02 AM

well viola, you saved me a lot of time and energy.
although i am technically bisexual, i more or less just refer to myself as gay. i mean, i doubt i'll ever be in another relationship with a girl, but that doesnt mean i dont find them attractive. i just have ridiculously high standards.

i think we all need to drop religious texts from all debates, not just the sexuality debate. im sure its been said before, but these texts were basically all written at a time when someone would have been content with going out at night and nailing a camel. the 'rules' set down in texts like the Bible were written by a bunch of guys who were trying to restore order in society. and good for them, because it worked. but it's now the twenty-first century. you cant blindly follow the words of a bunch of people from ridiculously long ago.

i cant really say i have a problem with homophobes. i just dont let them bother me at all- its not worth my time and energy. if i have a problem with anyone it's the people that say "i dont care about gay people, just dont let me know about what goes on in privet". i mean seriously? what does that mean? does that mean they dont want to see a gay couple holding hands while casually walking done the street? or are they terrified that theyll look out the window one day and see a big old group of gay guys fucking on the front lawn?
dude i dont want to know what goes on in anyone's bedroom. for the most part, couples generally keep the details to themselves. if anything, i hear more hetro couples give the dirty details.
i mean dont get me wrong. there are always the stereotypes that give a bad rep to the rest of us. but seriously, when push comes to shove, we're all looking for the same things in life. and does it really matter if we all have different ways of expressing love?

Posted by: gretchen8642 Oct 3 2009, 09:44 AM

I disagree that all of the types of sexuality serve an explicit purpose.... But I find no problem with any of the three expressions of sexuality. Live and let love, I think.

Posted by: Cann Mephisto Oct 5 2009, 07:11 AM

i don't care who what is...

i'm hetero... i was Saturday night on a gay party xD
and that wasn't different as a party with heteros oô
(except kissing lesbians xD )


its their live, why shouldn't they love the same gender? ^^

Posted by: oddkitty Oct 13 2009, 03:31 AM

I (clearly) don't often post here, as I'm usually posting elsewhere where threads like this are far more common, popular, and don't have quite so much drama in them. But, it's late, and I'm not at all tired, so I'm going to jump in just to have something to do.

So! I begin:

I actually don't quite fit into the sexuality spectrum presented by Wymsy, as I'm an androgyne of female biology but with decidedly dual mental tendencies. Most of my partners have been male, but at least half were effeminate or metro in appearance/style/personality. I've had female partners, and my closest friend (a female) and I have agreed that, in a perfect world, were I not in the military and neither of us were military raised, we might have gotten together. If we were opposite genders, we would have for sure.

I am a pansexual/omnisexual (however you prefer to term it), but to most people, that just seems like bisexuality. Where I live, it's easier to just let people assume that than explain the reality, because the reality makes them shun me more. Bad enough I live in the Bible belt and I'm not even vaguely religious. I like to wear men's clothing, but I have no inclination to alter my body to become a man physically; I'm comfortable as a woman.

I have a handful of friends who are homosexual, in good relationships with loving partners, and I think that's fantastic. Most of my close friends don't care about sexuality, and we all have a good time. I don't think people should be shunned just because they don't fit what American society, at least, views as 'normal'. Personally, I think our standard of 'normal' needs to be reevaluated something fierce.

Interestingly enough, out of the entire group of my friends, it is the homosexuals who are the most inclined toward wanting children. They're in the happiest relationships with the best jobs and the greatest structure, but they're afraid of any kind of move toward adopting or anything like that thanks to our 'great society'. I think it's crap that they can't get a civil union or marriage or anything like that.

One thing I do have an intense dislike for are the people who, on hearing about homosexual relations, have one of two reactions (typically based on gender; the first regarding lesbians, the second regarding gay men):
1. OMG! Can I watch? That is so hot! --- that is disrespectful. Very few people want to have someone watching them performing any intimate act.
2. GROSS! I can't stand even thinking about that kind of thing! --- that is also disrespectful. Accept and be accepted. If a male couple wants to hold hands in the street and kiss, then let them. They have to watch heterosexual couples do it all the time! Anything more intimate than that isn't anyone's business, anyway, but their own.

Anyway... rambling aside: there's nothing wrong with being heterosexual, bisexual, homosexual, or pansexual. It takes all sorts to make the world go 'round, and we've all got a part to play. I play mine happily enough, given my circumstances, and those circumstances will only get better, I'm sure, and my friends are happy with the way things have turned out for them, regardless of sexuality. I say, no one should shun another for being different from themselves. If they're happy the way they are, then let them be happy. 'nuff said.

Posted by: iNinetales Oct 13 2009, 04:10 PM

I really don't see a problem with it. I mean, people will love who they love, they can't help it. I have friends who are gay/lesbian/bi and they are amazing people.

Posted by: Hikarii Oct 13 2009, 10:24 PM

I don't see sexuality as a big deal, and I'm not quite sure why so many people in the world seem to make it a staple to get involved in the private lives of others. Love is love, get used to it!

Posted by: Soda Oct 14 2009, 02:51 AM

I wanna post here. awesome.gif
I'm gay, so yeah.

I go with the philosiphy that others have posted...live and let live. We can never TOTALLY follow this, or at least I can't, but it's generally a good thing to do. Some christians and other groups just can't accept this. It's annoying. Honestly I just disreguard religion and stuff in debates. I've heard it all before, now go pray or something.

I do know that being gay is not a choice once you're my age. Idk...maybe there is something you're born with but I don't think that's ALL that makes you attracted to the same sex. Influences growing up can change you~ ANYONE who thinks homosexuality is pure choice is just stupid, though. A few years ago if I could've chosen I would've been straight, but that was impossible for me. Of course now I'd rather be gay. :P But I'm not going to get into why I think being gay is best 'cause it got a little too much opinion in it. And no, I do not live in a super mega gay friendly place. I am not even out irl yet.

Posted by: TheIgDemon Oct 14 2009, 11:38 PM

I live with my mom and she is absolutely against homosexuals, but my opinions differ from her by a large margin. To me, love is love, it doesn't matter who you love. And if someone finds that love in the same sex, why the hell should it matter? Love isn't the product of sex, sex is the product of love.

As for bisexuals? I used to be one, but I turned heterosexual after a while. I also had some friends who were bi. So again, no problem.

How does someone turn homo, bi, or hetero? Some are born with the natural attraction. Others, IMO, turn one way or another during their teenage years where they are just starting to explore their sexuality. It doesn't matter how you are raised, if your body is searching for a compatible mate and it finds it in the same sex or opposite sex, that is what you are going to be attracted to. (This is just my opinion btw, so don't bash...)

Posted by: GalladeKnight Feb 11 2010, 06:07 AM

I'm a male heterosexual, but i'm not against anyone's choice of their sexuality.

To me everyone starts out Bi, cause it isn't until your older that you make a choice on whether you like men or women more. As a kid you just have friends, gender isn't really a big deal.

I also hate people who say others are born gay or that homosexuality is a "disease". It isn't it's a choice that is a little based on the environment of one's upbringing. I'm not exactly saying that if your raised straight or raised gay you'll end up that way, but it can influence your view a little.

Personally though, i think it is mainly natural. People pair of due to natural attraction and instincts. It isn't all about reproduction, it is also about whether this person can protect me better. Not always physical protection but more or less they have strong points you don't so together you are both stronger.

Posted by: Skye Grey Feb 26 2010, 10:43 PM

QUOTE(GalladeKnight @ Feb 11 2010, 06:07 AM) *
I also hate people who say others are born gay or that homosexuality is a "disease". It isn't it's a choice that is a little based on the environment of one's upbringing. I'm not exactly saying that if your raised straight or raised gay you'll end up that way, but it can influence your view a little.


I'll agree with you when you state that homosexuality being a disease is completely absurd, but I'll have to disagree with you when you say that it's a choice. Homosexuality is not a choice, seeing as how nobody would wake up one day and say: "Hey! I decide I'm going to be gay and be shunned and rejected by the homophobic community!"

It is absolutely not a choice; I know from personal experience. Without knowing what homosexuality even meant, around the age of 10 or 11, I was sexually attracted to boys, and not to girls. Most homosexuals do not make a choice in their life, as most heterosexuals did not choose to like girls. It comes naturally. That's all there is to it.

Posted by: crazyloser Feb 26 2010, 11:17 PM

Being gay myself, I can assure you that it's not a choice. I've known I liked boys since I was 10/11, way before I knew what being gay was, and when I found out what being gay was and how many people look down on it, I tried to be straight. I tried to convince myself I liked girls. It didn't work. I'm still gay, and girls are still as unappealing to me at 16 as they were when I was 10.

Posted by: miss listliss Mar 6 2010, 05:02 PM

well, i'm lesbian so of course i'm perfectly fine with homosexuality. i don't have anything against heterosexual relationships, either, they're just not for me.
i think it's perfectly natural. as long as you're happy and the person you're with is happy, what's the problem? people saying it's against some religion or something such things should really keep their noses out of other people's business.

Posted by: Song of Ice and Fire Mar 8 2010, 08:26 PM

I have to say I am a christian and yes in the bible it does say some stuff about a marriage being a man and a woman, but it also says that when a woman is on her period she needs to leave the "village" for that whole time (I'm paraphrasing) and that sodomy is bad (that includes oral sex), and that a woman should be submissive to a man. So there are just some things that have changed with society, and following some of the stuff in the bible is just ridiculous. I say what right do I have to judge someone else for their lifestyle, especially when some of my choices aren't exactly right according to the bible. I have many gay and lesbian friends (you wouldn't believe how many are in the military), and they are some of the best people in the world. I say do what makes you happy, as long as it isn't hurting other people.

I have a question, what does everyone think of people who are "barsexual"? Meaning that in normal everyday life, they're heterosexual, but when they get a couple of drinks in them they are making out and such with someone of the same sex. I have to admit that I'm this way. Get a couple of drinks in me, and I will make out with anyone I think is attractive. I really don't see a problem in it, unless you do it for attention, like a guy asks to girls to make out and the girls do it because they want to seem cool or something.

Posted by: Skye Grey Mar 8 2010, 10:08 PM

QUOTE(Song of Ice and Fire @ Mar 8 2010, 08:26 PM) *
I have to say I am a christian and yes in the bible it does say some stuff about a marriage being a man and a woman, but it also says that when a woman is on her period she needs to leave the "village" for that whole time (I'm paraphrasing) and that sodomy is bad (that includes oral sex), and that a woman should be submissive to a man. So there are just some things that have changed with society, and following some of the stuff in the bible is just ridiculous. I say what right do I have to judge someone else for their lifestyle, especially when some of my choices aren't exactly right according to the bible. I have many gay and lesbian friends (you wouldn't believe how many are in the military), and they are some of the best people in the world. I say do what makes you happy, as long as it isn't hurting other people.


THANK YOU! A Christian who doesn't condescend gays! I like it! ^ ^

QUOTE(Song of Ice and Fire @ Mar 8 2010, 08:26 PM) *
I have a question, what does everyone think of people who are "barsexual"? Meaning that in normal everyday life, they're heterosexual, but when they get a couple of drinks in them they are making out and such with someone of the same sex. I have to admit that I'm this way. Get a couple of drinks in me, and I will make out with anyone I think is attractive. I really don't see a problem in it, unless you do it for attention, like a guy asks to girls to make out and the girls do it because they want to seem cool or something.


As for this, I consider it normal. After a couple of drinks, the brain doesn't quite analyze gender -either not as fast, or not at all, at one point-, and I believe the person simply becomes temporarily pansexual (who has no bearing of gender). Do not mistake for bisexual, which is being attracted to both genders, versus not caring about gender, as long as the person is attractive. I've never drunk enough to be attracted to a girl (let alone drinking more than one glass), but that's what I've compiled, anyway. xD

Posted by: ValkohomeJuusto Mar 9 2010, 03:36 AM

I'm completely okay with all these. I know few that are either bi or gay, and they are great people. Only the gay boys being too girly, which kind of scared me at first.

But I've found some bi girls annoying with their attention seeking, like my school friend. She can't get boys, which kind of made her into girls. She was talking about her 'girlfriend' a lot, but now she's after boys again. She just can't decide already.

But; people should accept others the way they are.

Posted by: Vampire prince Mar 9 2010, 05:57 PM

The way I see it, I don't think it makes a difference. Somone tells me somthing that some people kill over( seriously, a guy in Puerto-Rico got killed cuz he was gay) and I respond "So? What difference does it really make?" I even wrote an essay in academic extentions on this topic and won an essay contest and $50 by proving it really doesn't make a difference

Posted by: cybersonic233 Apr 1 2010, 02:23 PM

QUOTE(ValkohomeJuusto @ Mar 9 2010, 09:36 AM) *
I'm completely okay with all these. I know few that are either bi or gay, and they are great people. Only the gay boys being too girly, which kind of scared me at first.

But I've found some bi girls annoying with their attention seeking, like my school friend. She can't get boys, which kind of made her into girls. She was talking about her 'girlfriend' a lot, but now she's after boys again. She just can't decide already.

But; people should accept others the way they are.


I argee that girly gays are annoying and thus I choose not to date them. I dont find Bi girls attenton seeking but I havent dated one or any girl in nearly 3 years.

Im bisexual and proud of it. But im lucky to live in a place where my sexualty is understood and accetped.

But to fiar my last 3 partners where guys and I enjoyed it and Im happy to be a bisexual.

Oh and all you peeps that think bisexual is bullshit for those who cant admit they gay its not your not me dont cliam understanding of my sexualty

Posted by: Tsuyoi May 14 2011, 02:19 PM

I'm a female heterosexual and, omg, Christian.

I have nothing against homosexuality or bisexuality.Love is love, it happens and you can't control it.Nobody can tell you, that you musn't or must love a person.Well, they can, but that doesn't mean your feelings for the person you love will change.

And persons who say, they're something they aren't (for example bisexual if they are heterosexual) are annoying.They only want attention, and have found a stupid way to get it.

That's my opinion.Sorry if my English isn't the best.

Posted by: Master Yuso May 29 2011, 06:52 AM

Maybe its just wrong wording when people describe homosexuality and bisexuality as a choice, but that seems to be reflected upon those people with non-heterosexual orientations. So, only people with non-hetero orientations are the ones who choose to be different? Why don't we look upon a heterosexual making the "choice" to suddenly date the same sex. That concept is why homosexuality is seen as "abnormal," and maybe because its not traditional, but life keeps on changing.

But is the world going to ever be completely open minded over this? In the United States alone, the rights of homosexuals is looked down upon, for several reasons. But why? Why do people who have to suffer for their something defines ourselves? Anyways, sometimes I would think back and wonder if environment had any role to play in sexuality. I myself am gay and I did find myself attracted to guys at a young age, but things in my environment promoted it, yet society made it miserable for me up until my last years in high school where I finally was ready to take on the world.

My family... haha. Hardcore catholics. You know, almost the kind that see poop as concentrated evil. Not really that bad, but you get the idea :P I never knew growing up that my aunt in my immediate family was a lesbian until I was able to put 2 and 2 together later on. Out of anyone who supports my endeavors, is my aunt and uncle (her brother) The rest of my family just looks the other way.

So, with experiences like this, you dont have much control over your sexual preference than you do your greatest fear. I don't choose to be afraid of earthquakes, I just do. If this WERE a matter of choice, then yes, I choose to be happy. happy.gif

Posted by: Disgracik Jun 10 2012, 11:18 AM

Too bad most of people think that bisexuality and homosexuality is psychological disorder. I think this people are just too stupid... There is no connection, it just who the person is, nowadays it's normal, and, more people are consider themselves as bisexuals/homosexuals... I believe, these people are now quite big part of Earth population, they are everywhere, and you don't know...

Of course, to make self confession is quite hard, but after it you life becoming much easier, I mean that you aren't thinking about it as something strange and your are ready for future problems. Especially hard for bisexuals, 'cause it's hard to have normal marriage, anyway you are attracted to same sex. Personally being bisexual and understanding/ being ready for all this problems makes my present life easier and, maybe, happier... Sadly, attitude to people, who aren't heterosexuals, in my country too violent, so showing it to the full is just impossible... Oh, and it's really piss off, when girls, heterosexual ones, are trying to convince you about your sexuality...

Posted by: strictlyninja Jun 19 2012, 02:40 PM

As a Christian, yes, I believe homosexuality is wrong. "God created Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve." But I won't judge the person themself. You're a homosexual? A bisexual? Great. I won't judge you, and I won't force you to change, but I won't encourage your views either. I'm not saying that I'll throw Christianity in your face everytime I see you. I'd treat you like every other person, because you ARE still a person, after all, gay or straight.

Posted by: GraphicCamel Jun 26 2012, 02:32 PM

QUOTE(strictlyninja @ Jun 19 2012, 12:40 PM) *
As a Christian, yes, I believe homosexuality is wrong. "God created Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve." But I won't judge the person themself. You're a homosexual? A bisexual? Great. I won't judge you, and I won't force you to change, but I won't encourage your views either. I'm not saying that I'll throw Christianity in your face everytime I see you. I'd treat you like every other person, because you ARE still a person, after all, gay or straight.


Balls to you. I'm straight, My best friend is bi and my uncle is gay. Not their choice. Do you really think people would be that be if they had the choice? it doesn't make life any easier, that's for sure. I'm glad you're not homophobic or anything but still, saying homosexuality is wrong is messed up.

Posted by: Reyo Jun 26 2012, 04:49 PM

QUOTE(strictlyninja @ Jun 19 2012, 02:40 PM) *
As a Christian, yes, I believe homosexuality is wrong. "God created Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve." But I won't judge the person themself. You're a homosexual? A bisexual? Great. I won't judge you, and I won't force you to change, but I won't encourage your views either. I'm not saying that I'll throw Christianity in your face everytime I see you. I'd treat you like every other person, because you ARE still a person, after all, gay or straight.


So you're basically the guy sitting in the corner of the room glaring disapprovingly at everyone else going about their business? While I applaud your decision to be discreet with your disapproval, I can't help but think that you'd be a happier, less bitter individual if you came to terms with homosexuality. What exactly is "wrong" with homosexuality? Is it purely a religious thing? What part of your religion exactly?

Posted by: Jen Jun 26 2012, 06:21 PM

I have been in a few debates about this on Facebook recently (more so gay marriage), so I might as well just say my views here, too, because why not.

Growing up in a Christian environment, I believed that homosexuality was this awful thing, and that anyone who liked the same gender were sinners and would go to Hell for it. I used to get so disgusted to see any relationship like that in public that I'd think all kinds of horrible thoughts about them in my head. This was my way of thinking until pretty recently, maybe a few months ago (sometime after the ditto exploration came out on GPX because I was upset about it having a lesbian couple in it) when I finally realized I was the one who was wrong.

I'm trying to work on being a better person, though it is hard to not have bad thoughts at times. The pastor at my church said something along the lines of, "If you want to be a better person, don't judge people before you meet them, because then you'll think you're better than them and not treat them with respect." That's exactly what I would do. I would think I was better than gay people because I was straight and in the right. But what made me think I was in the right? Was it because it's what The Bible says? What I grew up on and believing? Yes. Though, I think that God would dislike that because he wouldn't want me thinking that way about His people and as a Christian that just looks bad on me, my religion, and God.

What changed in me was that I had gone through this period of time when I thought I was asexual. I didn't understand why some people could be so sexual when I never wanted anything to do with it. Even after I got a boyfriend, I'm not exactly a super horny person. Sometimes I wish I could change that about myself, but I can't, and it makes me feel bad at times. I don't know why it took me so long to realize that if I can't change this about myself, then obviously there are people like me who can't help the way they are either. This is how I know sexuality is not a choice, but something one just can't help. I hope this wasn't too much information, because I can't exactly explain how I came to the realization without explaining it.

As for seeing gay couples out in public, I realized I don't like seeing straight couples doing couple-like things out in public either that isn't holding hands or hugging. I don't want to see straight people kissing in front of me just as much as I don't want to see a gay couple kissing in front of me. Both gross me out and makes me want to yell at them to do that stuff in private!

I can't stand when people who say they are Christians put down anyone who is not straight just because The Bible said that homosexuality is wrong or that they can't/shouldn't get married. I find it embarrassing that people of my own faith do that because then I can't help but think that people will then look down on us and that our faith/religion is this thing where people are closed minded.

I did not read this whole thread, so I don't know how other Christians responded, but I did see the response by the Christian on this page, and wanted it to be known that not all Christians think down on homosexuality. I also did not want to read any posts bashing Christianity and the people who follow it, because people tend to say that The Bible is fiction and what not, and it's offensive which is why I tend to stay out of these forums. =/ (If anyone tells me that there was no bashing then I will be surprised and maybe look through the whole topic.)

I couldn't really get my thoughts out in an orderly way, so I think that some paragraphs might have sounded weird or out of place, but I really wanted to just say my own thoughts on the topic being religious and all and that I didn't write this to offend anyone at all. If I did then I'm sorry, because I'm definitely not looking to argue or debate, only to just say my beliefs. *nervously clicks add reply* ;;

Posted by: Gizmokarp Jun 29 2012, 01:44 PM

hrm... ok, before I even say anything, I'd like to point out a few things. First off, anything in my post that appears as though I am even remotely trying to bash religion in any way is, well, not meant to bash religion, so please keep that in mind. yes, I am a homosexual, and an atheist... though I'm not sure how much of an importance that actually is, I just thought I'd go ahead and throw that out there. Also, some points that I will make will also be in sort of a response to Jen's post above.

Ok, so the first thing I'd like to tackle is sexuality itself. When it comes to sexuality, and sex in general, we can all agree that it can become quite complicated, and long behold, it certainly is. Sexuality can range from heterosexuals, to homosexuals, to bizarre fetishes; it barely has any limits. The one question some people ask themselves is: "is it even natural?". Well, why shouldn't it be? Sexuality is as natural as breathing. It is a part of us. It is a trait that makes us. No matter how you think of it, you almost absolutely can't deny the fact that sex, in general, is completely natural and normal. Of course, this then arises the question as to why on earth, or even how, is it ever possible for a human of one gender to be attracted to another human of the same exact gender? Well, if you ever asked a homosexual, that person most likely said "I was born that way". Now, of course, we still don't know for a fact whether people are or aren't born gay (although, through recent studying of sexuality, the closest answer that we have so far is that it is something hormonal-related), but why do they even say that? Why does almost every gay person say that he/she was born that way? The answer is simple; it naturally came to them. I know that's not too much of an answer on It's own with any good weight, but take it from a gay person myself; trust me, there's no real way to explain it other than the fact that I was born gay. Being gay feels almost as natural as breathing, having black hair, and being light-skinned. There's no real way to explain it. I mean, ask yourself this: why are you straight? What made you straight? Was it an outside influence, or were you simply "born" straight? I'm sure you would have the same response: "I don't know, but it pretty much feels like I was born that way". And even then, why does it matter whether you were or weren't born gay? Why can't you just accept that that's just how some people end up being?

And this is where religion comes in. Now, again, as already stated above, please keep in mind that I am not trying to bash religion in any way. If anything, I actually tried my best to avoid religion as a whole, but It's nearly impossible and almost needs to be included in the equation. None of us can deny the fact that most of Homophobia is rooted from religion itself. When an uneducated human fails to understand something, thinking that someone else simply had to do it, they label it as a "god". Ah yes, the infamous god label: "I don't have the answer, therefore god". To feel alone in an empty vacuum of space, particles, and unknown matter can be a rather scary concept at first glance from the perspective of a human, especially when this human barely knows anything. A magical stream of ultimate energy strikes earth with brutal, horrific force? It was Zeus! (when we all now know it was actually just lightning caused by natural means). Heck, even the Eqyptians thought the sun itself was a god. Why? Well because It's a gigantic ball of light, what else were they supposed to think? And that's honestly very understandable. It's not like anyone in the past had the technology, scientific reasoning, evidence, and intelligence as we do now. Unfortunately, people tend to do whatever they can to label things when there's no answer for it, and even include sub-labels to these things based on personal likes and dislikes. This is where a lot of things from different religious books and doctrines get some of their fiction from; the author. Yes, that "dude" who wrote the stuff to begin with, not some magical "god" in the heavenly skies.

Now, before I continue, Jen is right; not all religious people are ignorant towards homosexuality. But, at the same time, I also find it very fascinating. If the bible condemns homosexuality, then why do some religious people still feel it is wrong to condemn homosexual people? It feels contradictory and awkward. However, the answer is simple; that person is thinking for themselves. Ah yes, "free will", one of the best parts of being a human. To put it in more simpler terms, let's say we ask someone if they think homosexuality is right or wrong. Now lets say that person says that it is wrong. If we ask that person why, then most likely the response will be "because the bible said so". At this point, we seriously need to start asking questions; does this god even exist? How do you know the god itself is just lying, or this Isn't all just some kind of sick joke or something? If this god told you to do something you didn't like, such as slaughtering or sacrificing innocent people as a practice for an example, would you still do it? Why are you cherry picking things that you like and don't like in the bible; Isn't everything in the bible the word of god and you should be following and obeying his words? Why is it that a god that can create the universe itself relies on interpretations of translations of translations of translations of interpretations of a hard-to-understand book? Why did god give us free will (which basically allows us to choose whether we want to believe in him or not, including being gay) and create hell to send us to it if we committed "sins"? He didn't even have to create hell in the first place if he just made us already believing and following him, and never even made us with free will in the first place. I mean, he did create the universe and all of existence, right??? Doesn't he want to take credit for his work? How intelligent is God? Was the universe an accident then? Where did god even come from? Did something else create god? What even is god; a he, she, or "it"? Since there are so many other gods, which one is correct?

This is the real meat of the problem. I'm really not trying to bash religion, and I understand I just talked about it quite a lot, despite the fact that this is more about sexuality. I also understand how Jen feels when people call religion fake or false, but somebody needs to step up and open their eyes here. Many people wouldn't even have this phobia of homosexuality in the first place if they weren't being told lies when they're growing up. Think for yourself. Don't be a sheep and chain yourself down to something and allow it to drain away your free will. If you TRULY have no problem with homosexuality, bisexuality, and so on and so forth, then don't force yourself to change what you truly want to think because some "god" that doesn't even exist said so. Whether you like or dislike any other type of sexuality is your own choice, and should be completely respected, as you have the right to think whatever you want to think, believe in whatever religion you want to believe, etc. however if your going to make an argument from ignorance and state that homosexuality is blatantly "wrong" because some god that you haven't even proven It's existence yet says so, then you have gave up your free will and have become a follower, or even a slave, of a religion's false ideals. Before you hop on the train to "heaven", don't be afraid to ask questions first, and don't be afraid to speak your mind. don't force yourself to change who you truly are and what you personally believe because some "people" say so.

Whether you think any other kind of sexuality other than heterosexuality is right or wrong is your opinion, but rejecting It's natural traits is completely ignorant. Other animals in the wild have sex with the same gender all the time, and they certainly don't have any "religions" to influence them otherwise. They just do it because they like it, and that's the whole point. I never liked women, and I never will. I tried to, but i simply just don't like women. Guys are hot and sexy to me, and that's that. It's ok and completely understandable if you think that's a little gross. Heck, I hate pickles. Does that mean I want to exterminate all pickles from this planet? Well of course not, that's just completely dumb and nonsensical, plus, other people like pickles anyways. Why should my selfish deeds make others suffer without the juicy, lovely, green cactus-like snack that is well known as the pickle?

because the bible says so because because the bible says so because the bible says so because the bible says so because the bible says so because the bible- just shut up already! Nearly everything is "because the bible says so". And? So what? The bible clearly approves of slavery, so why did it even get abolished in the first place? Sam I Am insists that I will like green eggs and ham, but how does he know whether I even like eggs or ham? What if I don't like it? Is that a bad thing? Interlocking your life to a fairy tale book is ridiculous (at least in my opinion), but your choice, and should be your personal choice only, and you shouldn't try to influence humanity in the wrong direction, straying away from the truth.

I truly apologize if anything I said sounded like religious bashing, and it kinda does now that I read back, but honestly, I'm just saying it like it is, and there's no real other easier way to say it. Gay people are gay because they're gay. Bisexual people are bisexual because they're bisexual. Straight people are straight because they're straight. If you really want to know why, then educate yourself on the facts about sex and sexuality. They just simply like it, and there shouldn't be anything wrong with that. No, don't worry, I don't have a "gay demon" inside of me. It's just me be a human, and most importantly, being me. Doing what I like on my own free will, and generating my own social and personal morals based on what I personally, truly believe what is right and wrong.

If you truly believe that homosexuality is somehow exclusively "wrong" simply based on what some "god" said, then prove the existence of this god first. Otherwise, your just spewing nothing but lies.

Posted by: Kima Rose Jul 1 2012, 02:57 AM

Brava Gizmokarp. Well done. I especially love the pickle analogy.
But to my own point.
Personally I think it's completely wrong for people to judge others because of who they are.
I mean honestly, think about it. For years upon years & even sometimes still today, inter-racial marriages and relationships have been looked on and shunned. Now a lot of the hate from them is being redirected to a community of people who just like being with the same gender. I've seen straight couples that are different races state that they can't help who they love. It's the same for the gay/bi/etc community.
How is it any more right to tell a man that he can't love another man than it is to tell a black man that he can't love a white woman? Or any others of different races that they can't be in love simply because they didn't love someone the same race?
How is it fair to judge how someone lives their life? How would one of these people who judges us so freely like to be under someone else's microscope? How would they feel if someone was trying to tell them that something that makes them who they are is wrong?

Everyone is entitled to their own opinions but it doesn't give anyone the right to try and force someone else to believe the same things they do, to change who they are when they don't want or need to change. Those in glass houses should not throw stones.

I am a Bi-sexual/Pansexual female. Just because I talk to girls doesn't mean I'm trying to get in their pants or that I'm just a confused individual. It just means that this is who I am.
My whole family, other than myself & my also bi-sexual brother, are Catholic. I honestly don't care what other people think of me anymore because I've been desensitized by the things I've been through & seen done. So insult me if you wish. It won't change me from being a proud woman who just so happens to be Bi-sexual/Pansexual.

Posted by: Gizmokarp Jul 1 2012, 08:54 AM

QUOTE(Kima Rose @ Jul 1 2012, 03:57 AM) *
Brava Gizmokarp. Well done. I especially love the pickle analogy.
But to my own point.
Personally I think it's completely wrong for people to judge others because of who they are.
I mean honestly, think about it. For years upon years & even sometimes still today, inter-racial marriages and relationships have been looked on and shunned. Now a lot of the hate from them is being redirected to a community of people who just like being with the same gender. I've seen straight couples that are different races state that they can't help who they love. It's the same for the gay/bi/etc community.
How is it any more right to tell a man that he can't love another man than it is to tell a black man that he can't love a white woman? Or any others of different races that they can't be in love simply because they didn't love someone the same race?
How is it fair to judge how someone lives their life? How would one of these people who judges us so freely like to be under someone else's microscope? How would they feel if someone was trying to tell them that something that makes them who they are is wrong?

Everyone is entitled to their own opinions but it doesn't give anyone the right to try and force someone else to believe the same things they do, to change who they are when they don't want or need to change. Those in glass houses should not throw stones.

I am a Bi-sexual/Pansexual female. Just because I talk to girls doesn't mean I'm trying to get in their pants or that I'm just a confused individual. It just means that this is who I am.
My whole family, other than myself & my also bi-sexual brother, are Catholic. I honestly don't care what other people think of me anymore because I've been desensitized by the things I've been through & seen done. So insult me if you wish. It won't change me from being a proud woman who just so happens to be Bi-sexual/Pansexual.

^ agreed. I'm also glad people are slowly evolving from the "religion/ways" that they were taught in the dark past (again, I'd like to keep noting that I'm not trying to bash religion; It's not the gun's fault, It's the person that uses it. just throwing that out there~). Women were less then men, and now they're equal. Africans were enslaved, and now they're free. Hopefully, It's only a matter of time that the United States of America would live up to It's name as the "free country", instead of pretending that there's nothing wrong and continue to feed our people complete shit. If anything, Canada is much more free than us, as far as I've seen. It always made me want to move there...

Also, in terms of marriage (not trying to get too off topic) i really, really, really hate it when conservatives, hardcore religious people, and other nuts in the such make the absolutely ridiculous argument that gay marriage shouldn't be allowed because then we won't know where to stop (when in reality we all know they fucking despise gay culture since it says so in a fairy tale book). They think that we might even start allowing marriage towards dogs, robots, etc. Unfortunately, morons like those kinds of people can't open their minds and think more logically for at least a millisecond.

Consent. Yes, that's right, "Consent": permission for something to happen or agreement to do something. It is a key word that absolutely destroys such a moronic argument. Dogs have absolutely, or barely, any knowledge of human qualities at all. Dogs can't pay bills or go to work. They have no sense of what exactly marriage even is, and can't properly communicate with us. I'm against forced marriages, so unless this is some kind of sick, forced marriage, then It's impossible to marry a dog and expect both the dog and the person to clearly give an acceptable answer that they both agree to marry each other; it is impossible, and unless dogs evolve to the absolute or near-absolute intelligence as a human would and is capable of proper communication with us, then I highly doubt we would be marrying dogs any time soon. As for robots, that's debatable; while you could program them to say "I Do", it still has the "hint of being a forced marriage", and might also cause psychological problems; it is just a robot, not a living human. If anything, there's really no need to marry a robot since you could just buy one/make one/etc and do whatever you want with it... erm, not to incite anything nasty.

Also, you may have noticed that I might be hinting that, if another species was able to give consent to a marriage with a human, then I would be okay with it. Yes, I actually would. If an alien species came, somehow decided to populate with us, and then wanted to marry certain humans, while giving consent of course, then so be it (although even if the human species allowed it, I'm not too sure many humans would have the "hots" for that alien lady booty... lol). There's no need to be afraid. And, if anything, I think a lot of our true feelings and confidence is usually drained away from us due to social norms. Not that there's nothing wrong with them, but it also limits us quite greatly.

Or... perhaps I'm being a bit silly. Either way, conservatives that try to protect the definition of a word, for some extremely dumb reason (yes, protecting this definition is extremely important and there totally aren't much more important problems out there... >_>) due to a book that hasn't even proven It's validity is asinine.

I am just waiting for the day the earth would be full of open-minded, non-restricted humans, as that is my ideal place to live, to say the least. Unfortunately, I'll be dead by then... but, whatever.

Posted by: Typhloded Jul 1 2012, 08:45 PM

QUOTE(Gizmokarp @ Jul 1 2012, 07:54 AM) *
(again, I'd like to keep noting that I'm not trying to bash religion; It's not the gun's fault, It's the person that uses it. just throwing that out there~)


This struck a chord with me. I am a straight male, and I happen to be a fraternity president, so I'm aligned with a group of men who have historically and categorically homophobic. But you know what? Times have changed. My "Big Brother" is gay, but he's my best friend. Of 40 members in my chapter, I'd say that roughly a quarter of them are homosexual, and if there's anyone who feels uncomfortable about it, I haven't heard a damn thing. Fraternities are typically faith-based (no, not a joke), so that may have something to do with the homophobic history, but looking at the current demographics of these organizations, I think religion is finally beginning to serve its purpose, which in my opinion, is to create a society that is morally aware and accepting of others. Strangely enough, or perhaps not strangely at all, the most devout Christians in my organization are homosexual. I think that there is a common misconception that religious men and women, and men and women who believe in the notion of a Christian God, are mutually exclusive. Moral of the story, some people are just pointing the metaphorical "gun" in the wrong direction.

Posted by: Gizmokarp Jul 1 2012, 09:49 PM

QUOTE(Typhloded @ Jul 1 2012, 09:45 PM) *
QUOTE(Gizmokarp @ Jul 1 2012, 07:54 AM) *
(again, I'd like to keep noting that I'm not trying to bash religion; It's not the gun's fault, It's the person that uses it. just throwing that out there~)


This struck a chord with me. I am a straight male, and I happen to be a fraternity president, so I'm aligned with a group of men who have historically and categorically homophobic. But you know what? Times have changed. My "Big Brother" is gay, but he's my best friend. Of 40 members in my chapter, I'd say that roughly a quarter of them are homosexual, and if there's anyone who feels uncomfortable about it, I haven't heard a damn thing. Fraternities are typically faith-based (no, not a joke), so that may have something to do with the homophobic history, but looking at the current demographics of these organizations, I think religion is finally beginning to serve its purpose, which in my opinion, is to create a society that is morally aware and accepting of others. Strangely enough, or perhaps not strangely at all, the most devout Christians in my organization are homosexual. I think that there is a common misconception that religious men and women, and men and women who believe in the notion of a Christian God, are mutually exclusive. Moral of the story, some people are just pointing the metaphorical "gun" in the wrong direction.

Completely agree with you~
In general, I basically don't have a problem with religion at all (as I have no reason to anyways; my atheism, by the way, Isn't the result of a hate towards religion, but the rejection of an idea due to lack of evidence, but that's a whole other subject), the only thing I have a problem with are the people that use the bible as a weapon, just as people use guns to kill others for asinine reasons.

If believing in a god really makes you happy, then by all means, go for it~

Posted by: Typhloded Jul 1 2012, 10:02 PM

QUOTE(Gizmokarp @ Jul 1 2012, 08:49 PM) *
Completely agree with you~
In general, I basically don't have a problem with religion at all (as I have no reason to anyways; my atheism, by the way, Isn't the result of a hate towards religion, but the rejection of an idea due to lack of evidence, but that's a whole other subject), the only thing I have a problem with are the people that use the bible as a weapon, just as people use guns to kill others for asinine reasons.

If believing in a god really makes you happy, then by all means, go for it~


Actually, I'm agnostic for the same reason. Agnosticism for me is the belief that if there is a higher power, and we were created as "inferior" beings that are supposed to make mistakes, and not supposed to truly know anything, then why are we trying to figure it out? (Also a completely different subject, I suppose.) We have a humanist society in my college town, and I appreciate them because they encourage people to live a righteous life, without regard to any religious affiliation.

Tying this back into things, I think Western culture is actually moving in a direction that is really beneficial to anyone who isn't a radical on either side. On issues of sexuality, as well as many other issues, people are starting to look at who people are instead of what they supposedly "represent" (especially when you consider those with strong faith). If you're a good person, who cares who you love or who you worship?

Edit: small typo...

Posted by: daniff Jul 2 2012, 12:49 PM

i don't care about sexuality or race or ability just whether the person is a nice person or not.

as far as i see it don't criticise someone for something they can't help, besides if you don't see inside anyone else's head but your own, if you don't understand why someone does something you have no right judge unless it effects you personally.

Posted by: Sugar Motta Jul 3 2012, 01:57 AM

I don't really have much to contribute to this topic, but I just thought I'd say something because it really means a lot to me. I'm a girl and I'm attracted to other girls. I can't really help it, though. I just am. I've only recently come to truly realize it and understand it, and its a pretty difficult thing to live with. I still wonder if it's a phase though, which I hope it is, but I'm really not sure. I live in constant fear of my parents or grandparents finding out somehow, whether it is by finding out the shows I watch or reading my diary. I don't really know what I'd do if that happened. I haven't come out to any one yet, and don't plan on it anytime soon. This is who I am; just like how straight people are disgusted by gay sex, the thought of me and a man being together like that just disgusts me. I like straight couples, though, and think they're cute, just like gay couples. I don't even care about seeing them kiss or hold hands in public. I just can't imagine myself doing that, and wish there wasn't a double standard about what couples can and cannot show small amounts of affection in public. So, yeah. That's my opinion I guess, and I think everyone just deserves to be treated equally. It's hard enough to deal with intolerant parents, coming out, losing friends, finding someone who isn't straight, getting married, adopting children... the list could go on and on. Don't make it even harder for gay people by being cruel and judgemental.

Posted by: Vade Jul 3 2012, 10:37 AM

QUOTE(strictlyninja @ Jun 19 2012, 02:40 PM) *
As a Christian, yes, I believe homosexuality is wrong. "God created Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve." But I won't judge the person themself. You're a homosexual? A bisexual? Great. I won't judge you, and I won't force you to change, but I won't encourage your views either. I'm not saying that I'll throw Christianity in your face everytime I see you. I'd treat you like every other person, because you ARE still a person, after all, gay or straight.


Bolded for emphasis. You say it as if all Christians should think homosexuality is wrong. I'm a Christian and an open gay-pride supporter. It really depends on what you were raised on and how strict of rules were set. I have Christian friends who don't agree with sexuality in their Bible groups, but my Bible group has no problem with it. Not all Christians disapprove with homosexuality. Just pointing out that you may want to re-word this in future arguments to avoid angering people AND giving Christians even more of a bad name.

I can't really add much to this topic that hasn't already been said. No I don't think any kind of sexuality is wrong in any way. None of them are made by choice. I could really care less who you're attracted to. It's rather silly to have labels in the first place. You could be attracted to a fish and I'd just be like, "okay, whatever floats your boat". Honestly if it makes you happy, what do others have the right to judge.

Posted by: Forget me now Sep 6 2012, 07:23 PM

Before, I used to only like girls, but I am attracted to both sexes and I believe that nobody is able to really choose what gender "to get erect over", like clever Dazmi said in another thread. So yes, I can't help it and it is the way it is, it is no big deal in my opinion. And because that's the way I think I should deal with them, I try to respect everyone else's opinions even if they aren't in tune with mine.

Posted by: Nemu Sep 6 2012, 07:34 PM

I really ended up not liking my mother after I told her I was bi. She acted like it meant I was a slut and wanted to sleep with every female, and was told I cold not sleep over at female's houses. Though I was older, and she allowed me to do pretty much anything else, including underage drinking and staying up/out as late as I wanted. Why would she act like this? I don't get it.

Posted by: Namiacal Sep 7 2012, 06:06 PM

Probably because she's a homophobe. Hate those guys. They just bag on you, thinking what they're doing is right.

Anyways, I'm bi, although I tend to like girls better.

I think that everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but sometimes they're just plain wrong with their opinion.

Yeah. I'm for all types of sexuality. It doesn't matter who you love, because that's just who you love.

Although, most of the time, when someone asks me whether I'm straight or not, I say, "I love who I love."

Posted by: Nanaki Sep 12 2012, 12:56 PM

i think all sexual identities are valid, whether theyre heterosexual, homosexual, bisexual, asexual (feeling no sexual attraction towards others), or pansexual (sexual attraction towards all genders, including those that dont fit the standard).

people can't choose what theyre attracted to, and it can be extremely hurtful if you discriminate someone over what they find sexually attractive. and i think using religion as a reason for discrimination is detestable. :c

me personally: i am a male, and i dont care about sex/gender, race, religion, or anything along those lines. as long as the person has a charming personality and theyre nice, i could grow to like them/find them attractive.

Posted by: purple umbreon Sep 12 2012, 03:22 PM

I'm a Chistian, yet I don't have any problems at all with homosexuals. My cousin is gay and a friend in class is lesbian.
But it's also about HOW the religion get's teached. We didn't get told lies and that homosexuality is wrong. (In my class)
But there might have been some people who where literally told that God made the earth and that everything in the Bible is true. Newsflash, it's not. We learned about the messages in the bible, how we have to not threat others like you don't want to get threated. I don't think there is a message in it that says homosexuality is bad. I actually HATE all the hatred against homosexsuals. They are like everyone else, just attracted to ones from the same gender. What's so wrong with that?

Posted by: The Winnebago Sep 16 2012, 11:57 PM

I feel so loved OP. *Is pansexual* ;~;

On a more serious note, the argument that homosexuality or bisexuality is unnatural is something I find hilarious. It's like saying people woke up one day and said "hey i think i'll just be sexually attracted to girls today." The problem is that most people working against homosexuality don't seem to understand that concept, because they're taught from a young age to never question what God says or does.

That creates a lack of understanding and the inability to put one's self in another's shoes, subsequently causing people to reject the notion that any sexuality other than straight is naturally occurring. I wish those people would listen to gays or bisexuals and try to understand things, but that just isn't happening any time soon I guess.

Posted by: Khare Sep 17 2012, 04:36 AM

^ @TheWinnebago

The thing I don't understand about the 'it's not natural' argument is that it's only ever used when somebody's got an axe to grind against homosexuality. It's a silly argument to begin with and I have no idea they do it. I mean, humanity has gone against the natural order ever since the day we discovered fire thousands and thousands of years ago. Thanks to our intelligence, technology and healthcare has allowed us to advance and evolve, but we never would have gotten where we are today if nature had its way. It would mandate that we compete against the other animals tooth and claw, and that only the strongest should survive while the weakest perish. If anything could ever be called unnatural, I can't think of anything that goes against nature more than that.

I'm not religious at all and I don't have a problem with homosexuality. Another person's relationship and who they choose to love is none of my business, and it shouldn't be anybody else's either. The world would be a much happier place if people let go of their insecurities and acknowledged that there's more important things to be worried about than a same-sex couple who consensually loves each other. Sheesh. :|

Posted by: Kaonchan13 Sep 26 2012, 01:45 PM

This kind of topic is very complicated to speak first because everyone has their opinion, another reason is religion too .. I'm lesbian, my opinion is that everyone should respect everyone and everything! No matter what religion, color, sexual orientation, musical taste and, among other things, the important, we are human, end of story

Posted by: xMiles Sep 30 2012, 01:12 AM

QUOTE(Pokii @ Aug 14 2008, 12:07 AM) *
Homosexuality: Now most Christians get a bad rep, since a lot of Christians apparently are humongous homophobes. Well, let me say that that's not entirely true. Take my aforementioned mother, for example. She thinks that homosexual marriages (and most likely relationships, as well) are wrong because of what the Bible says, but that doesn't mean she's a homophobe. In fact, one of her best friends from high school, a barber named Ed (hehe, Edward scissor-hands), is gay. But they're still great friends. See?

"I think interracial dating is wrong. I'm not racist, I have a black friend!" That "argument" just doesn't work. She is indeed a homophobe, saying it's because of religion just makes it worse and does not protect her views and the bigotry underneath them.

QUOTE(Jaxical @ Apr 16 2009, 12:47 PM) *
Bisexuality: A load of croak. Only attention seekers claim to be bisexual. Every human being knows what sex turns them on, those that claim both do just want attention.

Wow, no. Bisexuals do know what sex "turns them on", for bisexuals it's both. Bisexualitiy is definitely not attention seeking.

QUOTE(Jaxical @ Apr 16 2009, 12:47 PM) *
Homosexuality: Personally... It disgusts me. I don't hate gays, nor do I treat gays differently to straight people. I just don't like hearing what they do in the bedroom. Besides that, I couldn't care less that someone is gay.... UNTIL they bring up the "Gay Marriage" conversation. As I'm firmly against it. No, Gay's shouldn't be allowed to marry. But YES, Gay's should have equal rights. So give them their own NEW ceremony. Marriage is a union between MAN and WOMAN. The Gay Community deserve their own ceremony.

Nope. "Separate but equal" is very familiar - if you can remember from history class - but it is absolutely unacceptable. Christians did not invent marriage. Most religions have marriage ceremonies, why does one religion get to decide who can and can not be married? What about the religions and sects that allow gay marriage (because there are plenty)? Marriage should be allowed/disallowed on a church to church basis. Many religions will marry homosexual couples because their religion says it's perfectly acceptable. Marriage should be allowed if the religion/sect allows it to happen. Anything else is just asinine and forcing your beliefs on other people

Not to even mention the fact that marriage no longer has to be a religious ceremony, I know a few people who have had their marriage ceremonies with no priests involved. No one religion (or lack thereof) has a monopoly on marriage, it's as simple as that.

Sexuality is not a choice, frankly thinking otherwise is ridiculous. Everything points to it not being a choice - from study on brains and genes to personal testimonies from practically every gay person to ever live. If you're straight, become attracted to the same gender now. Go ahead. I'm waiting.

Posted by: Willi Sep 30 2012, 02:22 AM

I think we are all equal, it does not matter who you love. Also, mankind did edit the bible in ways that God does not like at all. The part of it saying you cannot love your own gender is fake. There is nothing wrong with it, the two best arguments I have ever heard against it is "It's a sin" and "It's just weird" which aren't much of a reason not to do it.

Posted by: Chrome Oct 8 2012, 10:12 AM

We must not have much to do other than ruin someone else's happiness.
I think we just need to leave them be and move on with our own lives.
It's what other people would want, and it's not our place to say otherwise.

Posted by: Aves Dominari Oct 8 2012, 07:32 PM

QUOTE(Willi @ Sep 30 2012, 03:22 AM) *
Also, mankind did edit the bible in ways that God does not like at all. The part of it saying you cannot love your own gender is fake.

What makes you say that? Do you have any proof that that line wasn't directly from God?

Posted by: Willi Oct 16 2012, 11:42 PM

QUOTE(Aves Dominari @ Oct 8 2012, 06:32 PM) *
QUOTE(Willi @ Sep 30 2012, 03:22 AM) *
Also, mankind did edit the bible in ways that God does not like at all. The part of it saying you cannot love your own gender is fake.

What makes you say that? Do you have any proof that that line wasn't directly from God?


No, but there isn't any proof that it was either. God wanted everyone to go to heaven, but decided we would be happier to have will's (Being able to control ourselves, think and everything as we want.) He sacrificed his happiness for us, I don't think he wants anti-homo people to take it away from people. And, if it was a sin, why would he make it so sexuality is decided when your born? I don't think he would make it so you love something that happens to be a sin. You may say some people like stealing, murdering and other things. But didn't you notice that they might not truly like it or they went through something that messed with their mind? If you think it's a choice, then be Gay for three days. Love guys, and don't feel that way for women, Sexually and Emotionally. Just as it may be disgusting for you to see guys with other guys, or girls with other girls, they don't like seeing boys with girls either, but they are nice enough not to try to ban it.

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