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Posted by: Jason Sep 23 2007, 03:26 PM

Frankly, the anime has been disappointing. So uncreative and just plain stupid.

First of all, get our freakin' voice actors back.

Then get some originality and creativity.


I can only hope the movie is anything better than the anime.


Your thoughts?

Posted by: Oblivion Sep 23 2007, 04:28 PM

Agreed...As I stated on another thread...

All the episodes follow the same exact format, The only voice actor I like is for Dawn...Because it suits her...

Someone Effed up the Anime

Posted by: Mega Trickster Sep 23 2007, 04:50 PM

After mid-Johto, the Anime got really dull.

Posted by: Aeroy Sep 23 2007, 05:31 PM

I have literally never watched the Anime.
However, from what I've heard, it sucks. So theres my critique. It sucks.

Posted by: TBLLuis Sep 23 2007, 07:37 PM

yeah, its pretty boring, like 90% of it is just pure filler

Posted by: Emerald Wyvern Sep 23 2007, 08:04 PM

I can't believe I wasted part of my life watching that garbage. The only redeeming factor of anything Pokemon Anime related are the movies which, more than half of the time, are atleast somewhat enjoyable.

Posted by: TBLLuis Sep 23 2007, 08:06 PM

yeah the movies are great, especially the first one, mew and mewtwo pwn

Posted by: Slaves Shall Serve Sep 24 2007, 07:32 PM

The anime needs plotline and consistency.

Posted by: PEARL Sep 27 2007, 12:33 PM

The anime is for children.
So naturally its 'not as good as it used to be' because we've outgrown it.

Posted by: Sponge Sep 27 2007, 03:17 PM

What's stopping them from making a more mature pokemon tv show though? Surely they must know that not only kids play pokemon games...

Posted by: Hiro Sep 27 2007, 08:36 PM

I agree, the anime has just gotten way to dull, repetitive, and the plot, frankly, sucks.

This is the plotline of the average episode:

QUOTE
*Walk through the woods to get to city X
*Find Random Shack #352
*Owner of random shack #352 needs help with random task #518
*Team Rocket attacks, steals some pokemon, and are soon defeated and fly away
*The heroes help the owner of random shack #352 with random task #518, and start walking again.

THE END

Seriously, that's what at least half the episodes are now, unless they've changed it i the newest season (haven't watched any of the 4th gen anime)

Posted by: Swordsalmon Sep 29 2007, 12:54 PM

Oh man, they really screwed up the anime' since the Hohenn saga.

+Give back the original voice-actors. It's quite stupid when a seventeen-year-old Ash sounds younger than ten-year version.
+Make Team Rocket evil again. Look at the second episode. They freaken blew up a Poke'center! Now look them, "blasting off" twice an episode, and still trying to steal Pikachu...
+...Which gets to my next point. Make Pikachu suck again. It was actually cool when he won, but now he's the anchor.
+Have Brock become cool again. Seriously, his womanizing used to be hilarious, but now he does a more innocent flirt, and a stupid child or Crogunk beat the heck out of him. And make him serious, too. Whatever happened to the devoted brother?
+Bring back Misty. She was awesome. And by extension...
+Bring May back, too. May is definatly the cutest of the token female characters, and actually is entertaining. However...
+Kill May's brother off! Gosh I hate the little twerpy loser. Like, make him some criminal, and have him jailed for the rest of the series.
+No more multiple Legendaries! Honestly, the episode with two Lugias just ruined the "Legendary" factor.
+Stop making Ash biased towards Grass types. More of a personal preferance, but he always loves the starter Grass type more than the rest of his team. Also...
+Evolve your Poke'mon! Gosh, it's not that hard to do.

There you go. Some things they need to improve. XD However, they did do something right that they must keep.

+Keep Dawn, even if she's just a blander May. Double the cuteness, double the greatness.
+Keep Brock's Sudowoodo.

Posted by: Emerald Wyvern Sep 29 2007, 06:04 PM

One thing that's always bugged me is that Team Rocket hasn't disbanded yet. They seperate after the Kanto games and here it is Sinnoh and... hm? What's that? They're still together god dammit. Make Jesse and James disappear for a few episodes, Team Rocket is disbanded, Jesse and James become regular trainers or such and only make them recurring but way more than other ones. Boom. Problem solved there.

Finally, they should give Brock a rest. Sure he's the best character in the anime but he's just the writer's slave now. Make him leave for a region or two, bring back Misty, and have the games male trainer join Ash for the region. Better already.

I won't get into why they should get rid of Ash but the writers won't, I know that.

Posted by: Oblivion Sep 30 2007, 03:32 AM

Jessie and James probably will get married in the end...

Like in some of the Manga Spinoffs

Posted by: kitsteel Sep 30 2007, 07:01 AM

emerald wyvern is right, ive only seen the 1st 3 or 4 films, but they were sweet, the series have always been a let down, what with type differences being ignored and general continuity screw ups left right n centre... screw thee anime, its why we still have to deal with such sucky animations as well... imo neways...


K

Posted by: King Paladin Oct 6 2007, 07:05 PM

Plain and Simple. Ash needs a new team. He has extremely overpowered NON-EVOLVED Pokemon. Bulbasaur and Squirtle in season 1? Come on. Corphish? PIKACHU? Ash needs his full-evolved Pokemon back. COUGHSCEPTILECHARIZARDKINGLERMUKCOUGH

Dawn needs to go. Misty was the only good companion.

Why aren't Brock and Misty more powerful? THEY'RE FREAKING GYM LEADERS AND THEY CAN'T STAND UP TO ANYTHING.

Max should die. Now.

Team Rocket needs to become more powerful and not the same in every episode.

Posted by: Slaves Shall Serve Oct 7 2007, 03:35 AM

In my opinion, the anime shouldn't just be changed, it should be scrapped completely and replaced, with new characters and an actual plot.

Posted by: Swordsalmon Oct 7 2007, 09:47 PM

Didn't they do that already? I remember seeing an episode with an entirely different cast, with different antagonists, and was actually good!

Posted by: Liquefy Oct 7 2007, 10:52 PM

Well, if there's one thing the anime did teach me, it's that http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d2vyoX72NFw

All jokes aside, I have (as stated in my intro topic) each episiode of the Kanto adventure on VHS, and sometimes I'll go back and watch them and just wonder how the series used to seem to great, and now it sucks. Then I remember that Ash has a bunch of useless Pokemon that he NEVER USES. That and all of the banned episodes make for some interesting plot holes. Like how Ash mysteriously had an ass load of Tauros.

Posted by: Slaves Shall Serve Oct 8 2007, 01:07 AM

Don't forget to mention the seizures of awesomeness.

Posted by: modero Oct 26 2007, 04:58 PM

now its just stupid

I mean a baloon pokemon

and its just getting boring

THey should change ash and kick him out of the series and brock is just getting annoying and pikachu PIKACHU HE IS JUST ANNOYING

Posted by: DaRk bLaDe Jan 17 2008, 06:53 PM

Team rocket never dies. Its like they blast 10 miles into the air, crash into the ground, and they survive. Why cant team rocket have to sing a stupid song to announce their arrival. Why cant they sneak Pikachu away with no one noticing and there they have it. A weak pikachu. why does Meowth have to say " *pokemon* will * something * for the boss " Plus, why does Team rocket have to steal pokemon. Cant they catch their own?

Posted by: SlipKnoT Feb 3 2008, 09:00 PM

1. The VA's are utterly dreadful.
2. The plot is incredibly repetitive.
3. The show's writing is overall immature and bothersome.

Posted by: SMGT Feb 15 2008, 02:09 PM

I'm really tired of Ash being the hero all the time..... unsure.gif

Posted by: Darksword Feb 15 2008, 04:03 PM

now I'm no big fan of the anime but in its defense, since the beginning of this season the show has changed drastically.

for example there are serious trades going on like ash's aipom trading with dawn. also pokemon are actually evolving at a normal rate! aipom and starly for ash and dawn and paul who has had like every one of his pokemon evolve.

you should keep you're eyes peeled. I think this season might be a big improvement.

the only things I've ever liked in the shows are when they have my favorite pokemon on screen and opening of the jhoto series. (I don't know why I liked that...)

Posted by: SparkyPichu Feb 18 2008, 03:03 PM

Personally, I've watched all the anime, but recently it's gotten really dull. Each episode goes though the same thing, over and over again. I miss the Kanto shows, they were the best and I still have all the videos on VHS....if only I could find my VCR! Grrr....anyway. Yesh, the anime has become rather 'Suck-ish'.

Posted by: blax8192 Feb 18 2008, 07:51 PM

wow...how do you lose a vcr

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is all they have anymore

team rocket

every time he gets to a new place he ditches his pokemon when he could have a completely awesome team

and his pikachu must be like level 50000 by now and it still gets its ass kicked by everything but team rocket

but besides that we got older and it seemed to get less and less awesome, it really did an only part of that was actually us outgrowing it, the other part was just them sucking completely at plotline

pachirisu...wtf

dawns skirt proves that it's not as targeted for kids as it used to be and it still sucks

Posted by: Seadragon Feb 23 2008, 03:08 PM

The anime shouldn't have so many stupid mistakes. There's this one episode, I'm sure you all know it, where in the "Trainer's choice", it says Arbok evolves into Seviper. I also recall an episode where it said Nurse Joy's Growlithe was an Arcanine. And also other obvious ones, like Screech killing Pikachu and Magikarp killing Pikachu. x.X

Posted by: suzyk Feb 23 2008, 03:10 PM

QUOTE(Seadragon @ Feb 23 2008, 03:08 PM) *
The anime shouldn't have so many stupid mistakes. There's this one episode, I'm sure you all know it, where in the "Trainer's choice", it says Arbok evolves into Seviper. I also recall an episode where it said Nurse Joy's Growlithe was an Arcanine. And also other obvious ones, like Screech killing Pikachu and Magikarp killing Pikachu. x.X


Yeah, but that's 4Kids for you. They suck. At least PUSA has some knowledge. They made mistakes a lot of times.

Posted by: Seadragon Feb 23 2008, 03:17 PM

I bet if they put a Gorilla to work in 4Kids studio they'd be making 10 times the progress they're making now.

Posted by: suzyk Feb 23 2008, 03:20 PM

They possibly might have.

But really. They concentrate on making Jessie's skirt longer when they should be worrying whether or not the series makes sense. Jeez.

Posted by: CCM Feb 24 2008, 09:39 AM

1. they appear eating Brock's food in a forest.
2. they go through the forest.
3. Team Rocket appears.
4. Team Rocket says their silly "thing"
5. Team Rocket flies.
6. Pikachu has sex goes happily with Ash because he has saved him.

And the, more or less, 70% of the Pokemon chapters go like this...

EDIT: 69%, because it's becoming a bit... "porn"? Have u seen Dawn's skirt? dumblook.gif She's 10 years old!!!

Posted by: Firedude Feb 24 2008, 11:48 AM

its so annoying cus it takes like 2-5 months 4 them too gt to a gym,ash neva catches legendaries, they ALWAYS help some1 while on the journey and team rocket still try to gt pikachu 4 the 1000000000000000000th time

Posted by: Mana Feb 24 2008, 12:00 PM



I get really sick of the anime really fast. I would really love to see some new lead characters, it's always Ash who finds every legendary, Ash that saves the day, etc. Really gets on my nerves. (Though I know there was this one thing where the G/S/C heroes did something and Raikou was in it, but I don't know anymore than that)

It's also sad how everything resolves around Pokemon battling. Want to steal some Pokemon? Instead of making a big machine that does something pointless, punch the trainer in the face and run away with them. Really simple.

They're going to have to do a lot better to get me interested.

I'll never get over the fact that they let 10-year-olds freely walk around the country. Or big 17-year-old Ash hanging out with little 10-year-old Dawn, I see what's going on there.


Posted by: Archangel 1602 Feb 24 2008, 12:31 PM

TR was once actually evil. Their first episode they blew up a Pokemon Center and they threw gas into the Center. Let's not forget Bill Butch and Cassidy. They stole, like, 400 Pokemon and hypnotized them with a stolen Drowzee.

However, the TR gags suck. Get Butch's name right already, make TR evil again, and make them do something useful.

Posted by: Lovers Tarot Feb 24 2008, 01:24 PM

QUOTE(CCM @ Feb 24 2008, 08:39 AM) *
EDIT: 69%, because it's becoming a bit... "porn"? Have u seen Dawn's skirt? dumblook.gif She's 10 years old!!!


Lot's of young girls wear...reavealing clothing like that now-a-days. It's rather disturbing. Though I thought that Dawn was older than ten...

I guess the token females represent clothing fashions of that era. XD

Posted by: Moonwing Jun 8 2008, 06:19 PM

I've always loved Ash and don't mind him being the hero and I think that the movies are way better the anime. I just want Team Rocket to win once! I'm so sick of seeing them lose. And seriously...how can Ash not tell that it's Team Rocket after they have disguised themselves how many times? However the art and graphics have gotten better! As for 4kids TV that whole channel doesn't do a very good job with anything. They screw up some of the best animes.

Posted by: Shade Jun 13 2008, 08:47 PM

Everything seems to be in the exact format as the first season. I didn't mind it so much until the voice actors were changed. Ash's voice (new) Makes him sound like his character should be a lot older than what he is drawn like. I think that with the Diamond and Pearl series the only character (Main) that even sounds halfway decent is Dawn. I think that the creators should get their heads back on, take a creativity pill and change up the show some, and hire back the original voice actors. I'm sure the newer generation of children watching pokemon don't notice these things all too much, but those of us who grew up watching pokemon sure do!

Posted by: Jeffrey Aug 18 2008, 05:56 PM

I watch it for nostelgia's sake. That's about it.

Posted by: Damian Aug 18 2008, 06:39 PM

QUOTE(Swordsalmon @ Oct 7 2007, 07:47 PM) *
Didn't they do that already? I remember seeing an episode with an entirely different cast, with different antagonists, and was actually good!

yeah i remember that
it was pokemon chronicles with the G/S game heros
it was fun but they killed the animes

Posted by: Jeffrey Aug 18 2008, 06:42 PM

Yup, Chronicles seemed to run for about 4-5 episodes, and then it was done.

Posted by: Tiamat Aug 22 2008, 05:03 AM

QUOTE(Slaves Shall Serve @ Oct 8 2007, 02:07 AM) *
Don't forget to mention the seizures of awesomeness.

QFT

Besides that, they need a completely new Pokemon series. Like, no more Ash, no more Pikachu, ect. Team Rocket can stay as cameos because they're made of Awesome and Win, but that's it. Really, it's too generic now, and we need a fresh take on the anime.

Posted by: PrimalPalkia Oct 1 2008, 12:38 PM

it was ok at first, but then then they changed the voice actors, and now its a load of s*** no.gif

Posted by: Maikeru Oct 1 2008, 04:09 PM

QUOTE(PrimalPalkia @ Oct 1 2008, 12:38 PM) *
it was ok at first, but then then they changed the voice actors, and now its a load of s*** no.gif


I agree it was so much better with the original voice actors

Posted by: johnrichard1991 Oct 1 2008, 06:11 PM

I agree, it is stupid.

Although, 8 year olds seem to enjoy the show. It's not like they target the anime to 17 year olds such as myself.
The first few episodes of Chronicles when the ememy was hunting down Raikou was the only part of the entire series where it seemed interesting in my opinion.

What's with people complaining about that blue haired girl's outfit?
Misty's outfit was more revealing than that.

Posted by: Tiamat Oct 2 2008, 03:12 PM

I think people are complaining because Misty wasn't ten while she dressed like that. She was still jailbait, but she wasn't TEN. Dawn... kinda is.

Posted by: Jaima Oct 2 2008, 03:25 PM

QUOTE(Tiamat @ Oct 2 2008, 03:12 PM) *
I think people are complaining because Misty wasn't ten while she dressed like that. She was still jailbait, but she wasn't TEN. Dawn... kinda is.


Actually, though it wasn't stated in the American dub, it was stated in Episode 3 of the Japanese version that Kasumi is 10. This is according to http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/EP003

Posted by: Piogre the Mighty Oct 8 2008, 11:17 PM

OK, I am going to take a stab at defending the anime a little. Sure, I don't watch it anymore, but I just wanna make some points.

First of all, you people seem to blame 4Kids and PUSA for a lot of things, especially the show's "suckage." What you all have to remember is that the Pokémon anime is made in Japan, by the Japanese Pokémon Company (or whoever). What you watch is basically the same thing that little Japanese kids watch in Japan, except Dawn's skirt is even shorter.

Speaking of Dawn, you have to remember that once again Pokémon is really a Japanese culture thing before it is anything in the United States. Japanese culture varies greatly from our own. Of course it is going to be more accepting to have those short skirts on a ten year old girl in Japan than the US - the United States was founded by a bunch of minor Protestant sects of people. US ideals are some of the most conservative in the world. If you're going to whine about how the dub is nothing like the Japanese version and then complain about the shortness of Dawn's skirt, then you are essentially a hypocrite, no offense.

Team Rocket is supposed to be a pathetic bunch of losers. Is that right? No. Think about it - when the show started, they were truly feared criminals. But chasing Ash around for all of these years trying to snatch Pikachu has turned the poor trio crazy. How would you be like if your life goal was to steal a yellow rat from a group of kids and you never succeeded? You would be crazy too.

The reason they continue to follow Ash around, other than the fact that they provide the only comic relief in a dub where the main characters range from mildly to severely braindead, but they know that Pikachu is unlike other Pokémon. Ever since episode one where Pikachu is given to Ash by Professor Oak, we know that Pikachu is not like other Pikachu. How could it have fried all of those Spearows even though it was a Level 5. Pikachu has always been a special Pokémon, although I think it sucks in many battles because Ash spoils it way too much. I wonder how much that kid spends on ketchup a week.

But all of Ash's Pokémon are strong, and he always gets all of the badges, and he always encounters all of the legendary Pokémon for one simple reason: HE'S THE MAIN CHARACTER. Pokémon is intended to appeal to the young fanbase, and what they wanna see is Pokémon battling and their favorite Pokémon, which if it isn't Pikachu is usually Rayquaza or Kyogre or Mewtwo or Manaphy or something like that. Hence Ash gets to meets all of the legendary Pokémon because of fanservice (no, not that fanservice. These are little kids here). And why aren't most of Ash's Pokémon evolved? Kids like cute Pokémon or strong Pokémon. Because of that, he keeps cutesy Pokémon (Pikachu, Chimchar) and strong Pokémon (Staravia, Buizel) around all of the time. Brock and [Insert Female Protagonist here] follow the same formula. Well, Tracey does too, but no one likes Tracey.

And one last thing: STOP YER BITCHIN' 'BOUT THE VOICE ACTORS! They finished their contracts, they were done. All good things have to come to an end, and the original dub cast couldn't stay forever (although the Japanese cast is mostly the same if I recall correctly). Actors are always trying to try something bigger and better, and therefore they left Pokémon, and that is why they probably didn't get re-hired when PUSA took charge - because they wanted to try something else instead of saying "Bulbasaur!" for an entire episode. (Pikachu and Togepi actually use their original Japanese voices) In my opinion, the new voice actors are doing a good job, and I think Ash sounds much more appropriate in his new voice. I can't stand listening to the old Ash now, lol.

So, that is my defense of the anime. Take it or leave it.

Posted by: Blax8192 Oct 9 2008, 10:44 PM

QUOTE(johnrichard1991 @ Oct 1 2008, 07:11 PM) *
What's with people complaining about that blue haired girl's outfit?
Misty's outfit was more revealing than that.


Revealing what? No it wasn't . . . It really wasn't . . .

Posted by: Filipe Couto Oct 12 2008, 11:33 AM

yeah, the anime is worse, i think the better anime was batle frontier season

Posted by: Inu Ryu Oct 12 2008, 12:23 PM

I think that ash's hair looks awful and they need better personality characters. Also, they need to target all ages if pokemon is to survive in the future. Plus, almost all the characters are so immature, it's not even funny anymore.

Posted by: Piogre the Mighty Oct 12 2008, 08:33 PM

QUOTE(Inu Ryu @ Oct 12 2008, 01:23 PM) *
I think that ash's hair looks awful and they need better personality characters. Also, they need to target all ages if pokemon is to survive in the future. Plus, almost all the characters are so immature, it's not even funny anymore.


Well, Pokémon is designed for kids, all around. Kids play video games. Kids watch cartoons. Kids play with cards. Pokémon is targeted towards kids. Now, should they make more games for more mature audiences? Yes. But the sad realization is that Pokémon is meant for little kids, and therefore the anime is going to remain quite dry compared to other animes.

And trust me, Pokémon isn't going to die out soon. My girlfriend's brother and sister obsess over those Pokémon cards so much. They even got the first season on DVD (easily the best season ^_^.gif).

Posted by: Inu Ryu Oct 12 2008, 08:37 PM

I hate to say it, but you're right........

Posted by: DarkBanette Nov 29 2008, 07:34 PM

The only good thing left about the anime is that you still get really excited if you see a pokemon you absolutely adore or a person you can't get enough of. So far, I've been purposely skipping the pokemon episodes to watch Sonic X unless one of my favourite pokemon was in it, like I'll be doing when they stop slacking and get the Dusknoir episode down here.

Another bad thing about the anime now is that it has too many chain episodes (i.e.: Riolu pt. 1 and Riolu pt. 2) and there's too much time between the gym matches. In the previous sagas, they would've been past the sixth gym by now, but they're taking their sweet time with this saga and aren't even there yet.

They meet someone new in every episode, Team Rocket appears with a faulty tin can of a robot, "Pikachu, Thunderbolt!", "LOOK'S LIKE TEAM ROCKET'S BLASTING OFF AGAIN!!! *ping*", and that's it. Sucky plot, and sucky voice actors. Also, Ash's team needs more coordination. He doesn't think of what he wants or needs to win, he just catches 'em, puts them in a battle, and watches as they lose (usually). Pikachu and Chimchar seem like the only acceptions to me.

Okay, I think I'm done ranting...

Posted by: Flamer Nov 30 2008, 08:04 AM

I gave up on watching the anime a long time ago. I do think it gives Pokemon are far too kiddy image though. Then again, if it wasn't for the anime I would never have got into Pokemon all those years ago, so it's difficult for me to say that I wish they had never made it, but I wish it wasn't so cringe worthy.

Posted by: Yoshikin Nov 30 2008, 05:05 PM

What we need is a slightly dark Pokemon anime. Maybe they'll make one for Orre. tongue.gif

The only thing I hate is when Ash sees a Pokemon he fought, yet he refers to the pokemon saying, "Who's that?" or "[insert pokemon name here] huh." It really peeves me.

Posted by: Vide0Gam3r Feb 19 2009, 03:40 AM

QUOTE(Damian @ Aug 18 2008, 04:39 PM) *
QUOTE(Swordsalmon @ Oct 7 2007, 07:47 PM) *
Didn't they do that already? I remember seeing an episode with an entirely different cast, with different antagonists, and was actually good!

yeah i remember that
it was pokemon chronicles with the G/S game heros
it was fun but they killed the animes


Yeah, Pokemon Chronicles. In fact, there was one with Ashes old johto friend. (The one with "Sparky"? I forget his name...)

I still watch it sometimes, like the movies, and does Team Rocket break the fourth wall anymore? Looking back, that was kinda funny, but now...

I like the idea of Pokemon, I really do, but it doesn't full on appeal to me anymore. The movies are the best right now though, but his line up is changing so if you don't- Aah, screw it. In the latest movie, his pokemon barely have screen time. He gets them out to eat, then to have fun in the water, and thats it. Other than that, it's O L00K P1K4CHU 15 0N H1S SH0ULD3R IN EVRY SHOT LOL! Except there's the "pikachu flies in on <newest bird pokemon name here>" shot, but... yeah. Do I have to go on? I don't want this to be walloftext.gif , So one last thing...

@Yoshikin: Yeah, as it seems the movies have little continuity with the tv show. That sucks. There's no flashbacks to movies, just earlier episodes. Personally, I think if you don't see the movies: TOO BAD FOR YOU.

Posted by: killaz Feb 19 2009, 03:14 PM

When I first heard the VA I didn't like them however you do get used to them. Personally what I think 4Kids or PUSA need to understand is that Pokemon was at its most popular about 9-10 years ago. That means that the fans back then will have grown up still enjoying the series and games and should be the main target audience, not young kids who don't understand that the true awesomeness of training Magikarp and finding out its actually good

For the actual series they should start following the manga...it is awesome. For one thing they actually get older and Ash (known as Red) actually evolves his team and doesn't catch every starter pokemon in existence...he doesn't even start off with Pikachu!! Next it integrates all the games main characters into the story (For example Red (Ash) gets kidnapped and Yellow teams up with Green (Gary) to save him). Also the villains are much more evil and cool such as The Mask of Ice.

So thats my opinion.

Posted by: Umbrae Calamitas Apr 13 2009, 01:33 PM

QUOTE(Sponge @ Sep 27 2007, 04:17 PM) *
What's stopping them from making a more mature pokemon tv show though? Surely they must know that not only kids play pokemon games...


I actually like the anime - the old stuff from the beginning. Haven't had much time to keep up with the new stuff.

The thing that annoys me, though, is, of course, that it was obviously made for children. Actually, it doesn't annoy me so much that it's just a little disappointing. All of the potential dramatic scenes were played down because of the age range, which is understandable, but seriously... I mean, that part in Pokemon: 2000 when Ash was essentially drowned? I love how Misty was saying "breathe, Ash" and shaking him calmly. *headdesk*

Meh, so call me a sucker for drama. :P I do think they should remake them for a more mature audience. Considering pokemon are plotted against one another, you think there'd be more blood. Because there isn't, I think it's easy to forget that the pokemon are made to be living creatures, just as humans, rather than something like, say, digimon, who are computer... erm... simulations, for lack of a better term.

Anyways, there's my rant. :P I vote a more mature pokemon series, but I suppose that we have fanfiction for that, too, eh?

Posted by: Patrick I Apr 17 2009, 02:49 PM

I don't have much against the series...of course it should improve..a little pointers would be...

- Ash should lose more often
- Pikachu should evolve! oh.gif
- Brock should dissappear for a while, so we would miss him and be happy when he returns
- They should mention a person's age in the series....because people say that Dawn is like...10? But she seems too mature for that age...considering her very nice skirt wink.gif And...she has a let's say bust. And she acts older than a 10 years old kid.
- Team Rocket should own from time to time.
- TR should change their moto once again
- Ash should get more enemis
- The protagonists should get girlfriends/boyfriends...just to spice things up
- Ash should hang out with 2 GIRLS for once....:/ Like Dawn and May, without Brock

etc etc...also Charizard must return to Ash for a long period...or Dawn could catch a shiny charmander and evolve it into shiny charizard happy.gif

Posted by: Ivix Raikiri Apr 17 2009, 10:30 PM

Most of the movies are pure awesomeness. As for the anime, it just suckls now. It's so repetitive! It used to be awesome! Somehow, other anime manage to be original, why can't Pokemon do that anymore? Despite the fact it sucks now, I still watch it out of loyalty, though.

Posted by: Hikarii Apr 18 2009, 12:43 AM

I actually kind of like Diamond and Pearl, because it's something new, I guess. I haven't watched it in so long, maybe I just missed it.

Pokemon fails at managing to be original because it's liscensed by a crappy dubbing company.

Posted by: TurkeyBeef Apr 20 2009, 12:54 AM

I remember watching a few episodes of the season "Diamond and Pearl" and it was exactly like the first few episodes of the first Pokemon season, just with different Pokemon and stuff. That's what made me stop watching since I thought it was basically going to be the same thing all over again.

Posted by: Zoe Apr 20 2009, 02:31 AM

QUOTE(Patrick I @ Apr 17 2009, 08:49 PM) *
- Brock should dissappear for a while, so we would miss him and be happy when he returns

They did.

It's called the Orange Islands.

Posted by: Webbyness Apr 20 2009, 03:30 PM

QUOTE(TurkeyBeef @ Apr 20 2009, 06:54 AM) *
I remember watching a few episodes of the season "Diamond and Pearl" and it was exactly like the first few episodes of the first Pokemon season, just with different Pokemon and stuff. That's what made me stop watching since I thought it was basically going to be the same thing all over again.


That's so the younger fans would be able to experience significant plots from the original animé. It was a long time ago, so plots like Lt Surge are being reused to fans can see some flashbacks. I don't particularly like it either, but it makes sense since older episodes are hard to find when you're an 8 year old.

The only thing that annoys me is the inconsistency of the new dubbing. During the Wallace Cup, Ash uses Buizel against Kyle and pulls of Ice Aqua Jet, yet Zoey claims to not know anything about it, despite the fact she was there when Dawn started to develop it. She saw it in action herself, yet everyone seems to think she didn't, include her.

Posted by: KendoSword Apr 21 2009, 07:31 AM

I don't like the anime anymore. Only the first season, maybe the second season was very good! They're just reusing stuff now, as stated earlier.

I think that replacing Brock AGAIN might work. His character is getting old. I'd replace him with a guy closer to Ash's age, instead of a guy who draws all the time. :I

Posted by: Zoe Apr 21 2009, 05:39 PM

I think that the Johto league season was boring as hell. I mean, how many tournaments were there? Johto league? Whirl Island cup? Silver Conference?? Johto was the main reason I stopped watching it.

But I liked AG for some reason. Maybe it was the contests.

Also:

Good luck trying to sleep tonight :>

Posted by: Twin Apr 21 2009, 09:10 PM

I don't know whether to laugh or sigh in disappointment from all the feedback on the anime I see here...Really, it used to be such a good show. I still can't make it through that epic first episode without sniffling.

I distinctly remember how much I'd clamor for the VHS tapes every time me and my ma went to the store and they had wall-to-wall pokemon junk.

::Le' sigh::

((BTW, Zoe? Your avatar made me fall out of my chair I was laughing so hard. That is quite a gem. xD))

Posted by: Maikeru Apr 21 2009, 09:20 PM

QUOTE(Zoe @ Apr 21 2009, 05:39 PM) *
I think that the Johto league season was boring as hell. I mean, how many tournaments were there? Johto league? Whirl Island cup? Silver Conference?? Johto was the main reason I stopped watching it.

But I liked AG for some reason. Maybe it was the contests.

Also:

Good luck trying to sleep tonight :>


Meh I like Johto them most. I liked all of the tornaments and the theme songs pwned. Only bad part with it is that they didnt go in depth with Cyndaquil. I wanted him to be a Quilava. Plus a few other pokemon were more mehish.

Posted by: Patrick I Apr 22 2009, 07:45 AM

QUOTE(Zoe @ Apr 20 2009, 10:31 AM) *
QUOTE(Patrick I @ Apr 17 2009, 08:49 PM) *
- Brock should dissappear for a while, so we would miss him and be happy when he returns

They did.

It's called the Orange Islands.


Yeah I know, but that wasn't a full season...Too short...He should disappear for a long time IMO

Posted by: K9 Lucario Apr 23 2009, 06:13 PM

Basically the same storyline.
Everyone's happy
Team Rocket appear(they're so anoying now) and snatch Pikachu.
Ash saves Pikachu and they all live happily ever after( until the next episode).

But it does get interesting when there's a Gym Leader battle, or Dawn goes for a contest.

Posted by: Daroach Apr 23 2009, 08:55 PM

The newest Pokemon episode (click to show)


Yeah, the Pokemon anime's been going down the crapper since the Battle Frontier saga and onwards.

Posted by: CrystalSteelix Apr 24 2009, 11:40 PM

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Posted by: Webbyness Apr 27 2009, 02:13 PM

QUOTE(Daroach @ Apr 24 2009, 02:55 AM) *
The newest Pokemon episode (click to show)


Yeah, the Pokemon anime's been going down the crapper since the Battle Frontier saga and onwards.


It's happened before. Remember Primeape? He was given away to train for boxing and was never seen again.

And because of this, I hate how the animé portrays Pokémon friendships. Dawn worked hard to earn Buizel's trust, as with Ash to Aipom, and they have almost no problems with trading them away. And then that happens... *Points to quoted spoiler*
It is disgraceful. ;-;

Posted by: Sparkblast Apr 27 2009, 02:14 PM

Giving Ambipom away was crazy. What will replace it??
Please say the writers and giving her six pokemon and not five.
Brock needs a new pokemon, or atleast evolve one of them.

I rather like the anime, I haven't watched the old episodes in ages though so no comment.

Posted by: CelebixUxie May 7 2009, 04:46 PM

I personally only find the Anime good for AMV-making now. Even then, it's annoying to have to listen to the horrid voices they give the Pokemon. ;-; Poor Luxray...He sounds nothing like what I imagined him, English wise. I wish they'd feature better ideas in their shows. Maybe actually take time to think of a creative plot line! oh.gif Heaven Forbid, Creative? *fake gasp*

The older episodes weren't so bad. They at least had some thought in them.

Posted by: FalconWolf May 7 2009, 06:16 PM

I like the show, but believe it started going down hill when they brought in the whole Pokemon Contest aspect. I have never liked that part of it. I hate Dawn, think she is the worst Co-star to date. I dont like the new voices for most of the characters. Jessy and James' act got old a long time ago, and is getting worse, especially Jessy's alternate Contest persona "Jezzibell" (SP?).

It's has just lost its pazzaz. Even the last movie "Giratina" wasn't the best it could have been, in my opinion.

(Should add, though, that I missed the last half of the Johto Saga, and almost all of the Hoen Saga. I see only bits n pieces of Diamond & Pearl.)

Posted by: Luxuria May 13 2009, 10:25 PM

I agree. Shame we cant get some of the original voice actors back. Meowths is deceased.

Posted by: minteadrops May 14 2009, 01:21 PM

Everything after the first two or three seasons sucked in my opinion.

I grew up with pokemon so it is so disappointing when it changes so drastically.

Posted by: neutron May 17 2009, 12:48 PM

the thing i hate the most about the anime is that whenever they are happy...THEY GIGGLE!!! Dx.gif

Posted by: CheckeredPenguin May 17 2009, 12:55 PM

Yeah the anime is pretty repetitive.

Posted by: Neko Wolf San May 18 2009, 12:52 PM

I've gotta admit, after the Kanto and Johto series, the rest of the series went totally downhill, especially the english dubs, and there've been very few good episodes since then. Plus I miss some of the good old voice actors, and I think that the animation looks cheaper than in the good old days of Pokemon. no.gif

So now I only watch the movies.

Posted by: bird of the stars May 21 2009, 04:44 PM

Sounds like Ash got a nasal cold ever since he got a new voice actor. Same with Brock. awesome.gif

I liked Kanto, Johto and the Orange Islands, just not Misty. Annoying, naggy. Some eps for some of the seasons got too stupid/boring.

Then came Hoenn and the Battle Frontier. Major preference for May over Misty. Filler eps got too degrading/snore-tastic.

Stopped watching D/P after Dawn's superduperoverperkiness and cheerleading thing turned me away. =x=

Posted by: Shamise May 21 2009, 07:58 PM

(Feel free to ignore my oncoming rant ^^)


Personal opinion:
I honestly liked the first season, anime and the movies too. Once they started getting new characters each season...it got kinda cliche. The first few movies were epic awsome! I think it was because it was about Ash and not some random character that just poped up out of the blue. If the newer movies were actually about Ash, then I would love them. By the way, Mewtwo was killer epic...but some of these other legendaries are just getting ridiculously strong.
Another thing I didnt really care for was how they always had a different female lead character each season. It makes Ash look like a player, and poor Brock still doesnt have girlfriend. Some of the new pokemon are cool looking and others look like either mimics of past pokemon or terrors from a child's dream...
Gary is the only true rival!

Posted by: Tadase May 24 2009, 03:18 PM

All I have to say about the new sinnoh series. WHAT THE HECK HAVE THEY DONE TO JUNS/BARRYS VOICE. And kill dawn plz. point.gif OBJECTION.

Posted by: Revan46 May 24 2009, 07:54 PM

I'm just annoyed they couldn't just keep Ash's voiceactor. It's like they change him fifty times over...it's just so FREAKING annoying...I miss Kanto.

Posted by: Hatori May 26 2009, 09:21 PM

Personally I'm tired of Ash. I'd love to see someone eles all together, and is it me or does whoever he goes up against,he wins. Boring

Posted by: Marcos May 26 2009, 09:26 PM

The anime is definitely geared toward a much younger generation. As the show has progressed, I would have liked the level of maturity to follow. They really ought to consider this. We, the people buying their games, are the ones that have been doing so for 11 years - that's gotta count for something, right?

I strongly agree with the dislike of the new voice actors for the English. I do have to say, though - I don't see how they could mature it enough for us to like it but at the same time remain a "children's show." What I would like to see is maybe Ash (or Brock, heck!) go through some PERSONAL character issues. Remember the first Pokemon league thing that happened? Ash showed some true flaws, something I've yet to see since then, in my humble opinion.

I suppose we'll just have to take solace in the games.

Posted by: laskuraska May 26 2009, 09:39 PM

GIVE US JAAAAAAMESSSSS
we wants the preciousss

Posted by: FalconWolf May 26 2009, 09:59 PM

I think they should start a whole new Pokemon show, with a girl as the main character. Too many anime have boys/guys as the staring hero. Whole new cast, except those who cant be changed, like Nurse Joys, Gym Leaders n such, new story line, more mature. Complete fresh start.

They did it with Zoids, Digimon... so why not Pokemon? They can keep going with Ash's story and still start the new one.

Posted by: TokyoOranges May 27 2009, 03:18 PM

well, I do like to watch the anime but it does get repetitive and i do not like the new VAs mainly because I've been so used to the 4Kids VAs for most of my childhood and it's just not right ><;

Posted by: Fileg May 27 2009, 10:27 PM

I've only seen a few episodes and remember only the intros from my younger years. It was very entertaining for me as a young child. But now when I see it as I flip the channels all I can do is "lawl" heartily at the poor quality and nostalgia.

Posted by: Hanabi May 30 2009, 09:11 PM

QUOTE(Marcos @ May 26 2009, 10:26 PM) *
The anime is definitely geared toward a much younger generation. As the show has progressed, I would have liked the level of maturity to follow. They really ought to consider this. We, the people buying their games, are the ones that have been doing so for 11 years - that's gotta count for something, right?


I so agree with you! At least they could make a separate pokemon series for older-gens? I bet they could...



Posted by: flygon master May 30 2009, 10:20 PM

I like the firsto two seasons, the bring back memories...

But I think that the new ones arn't that bad.

I would just have liked it they hadn't added so much 3D to everything. facepalm.gif

Posted by: FalconWolf May 31 2009, 06:45 PM

I like Brock, but his constant lusting over girls is also old and just stupid. I don't want him to leave, but they need to give him a new thing to work with.

And what is with him anyway? He is supposed to be a Rock type trainer, yet most of his pokemon now are everything but Rock types. I know he left his old pokemon with his brother, but he should be getting new Rock pokes to replace them.

And his Geodude should have evolved to Golem by the end of the Johto season.

Posted by: xXseleneXx May 31 2009, 06:52 PM

QUOTE(Shamise @ May 21 2009, 05:58 PM) *
and poor Brock still doesnt have girlfriend.


that made me LOL. laughing.gif
Poor Brock. sweat.gif

I didnt really watch anything after the first season so I guess I cant really give an educated opinion......
but I think generally an anime dies, well ONE of the things that kills it, when they switch voice actors.
I have not come across a single anime that switched voice actors and people liked it as much or more than before....

Posted by: K a i t l y n RAWR Jun 4 2009, 07:26 PM

I'd have to agree with most things stated.

Like, they pretty much have new voice actors for Ash in every "season." >_> Like, really? unless he's suddenly hitting puberty, his voice shouldn't change so much. :P

Posted by: Lotte Jun 4 2009, 09:11 PM

QUOTE(bird of the stars @ May 21 2009, 05:44 PM) *
Sounds like Ash got a nasal cold ever since he got a new voice actor. Same with Brock. :awesome:

I liked Kanto, Johto and the Orange Islands, just not Misty. Annoying, naggy. Some eps for some of the seasons got too stupid/boring.

Then came Hoenn and the Battle Frontier. Major preference for May over Misty. Filler eps got too degrading/snore-tastic.

Stopped watching D/P after Dawn's superduperoverperkiness and cheerleading thing turned me away. =x=


This pretty much sums up my exact opinion on the anime. :O

Seriously, I can't be bothered with the show anymore. It's gotten so boring and repetitive..

I really miss the Kanto episodes..

Posted by: Arashiyouko Jun 4 2009, 11:04 PM

Most of my complaints have been covered, but one I really have to point out that I agree with is when Ash comes across a Pokémon that's been included before and he still doesn't know what it is.

And does it ever really outright state the ages? No matter how you look at it, someones age is messed up - Ash would, at the least, be near 14 by now. I think traveling all over Kanto, Johto, Hoenn, Kanto again, and now Sinnoh - ON FOOT - would take close to a year each.

Dawn - I've watched very little of the anime after Johto, but Dawn has to have at least started puberty to have the development she does, which goes against how I would think she was near ten, because she just started on her "pokémon journey."

Misty - since ten is the youngest age a Pokémon trainer can be, its very unlikely that Misty would be able to be allowed to take over as a gymleader if she were ten like it says, and people wouldn't be going on about how beautiful she is in her mermaid water shows.

May - okay, her age is quite flexible. If I remember right she was quite reluctant to even get a pokémon, let alone go on a journey with one, in the beginning. That would allow her to be older, matching her figure.

No matter how it goes, Ash and each of the female characters have either be near the same age (or have some defect that causes abnomalities in their height.)

And on ways to fix it: I agree with some of the other posts I read, to - it doesn't need to be fixed. It should be left as it is, but it should cut out most of the fillers. (Most of the fillers are most likely attempts by the writers to drag it out until new ideas are made anyway.) It should go into a slow... decline, I suppose you could say, up until it ends - naturally, not a hurried, cut off let's-get-this-over-with ending or a drag-it-out-as-long-as-possible ending, but covering the remaining gym leaders, the Sinnoh Pokémon League, and possibly the Battle Area, with fillers being added in for capturing new pokémon, super contests, Team Rocket, traveling, etc.

As the anime is "dieing out", either a new manga and/or a new anime should be started, starting out in any region (but Orre certainly gives off the outlaw vibe well enough that it would fit, while a new region could be made all together) and focusing on the "darker" side of the Pokémon world. It should contain at least some blood, cursing, violence, death, etc. (And by that, I mean like in the animes Inuyasha, Bleach, Death Note, Naruto Shippuden to some extent, etc.) In other words, aiming at teenagers and young adults, 15-19 years old, the people who watched the anime and played Red, Blue and Yellow Versions as kids.

Posted by: FalconWolf Jun 5 2009, 02:18 PM

QUOTE(Arashiyouko @ Jun 4 2009, 10:04 PM) *
Misty - since ten is the youngest age a Pokémon trainer can be, its very unlikely that Misty would be able to be allowed to take over as a gymleader if she were ten like it says, and people wouldn't be going on about how beautiful she is in her mermaid water shows.


Misty is 2 or 3 years older than Ash actually. She left at the end of the Johto Saga, factoring in the Orange Islands Saga..

Ash would be 13 by the end of Johto, so Misty would have to be about 15 to 16, if my math is correct. (Is not good at Math.)

I cant remember how long they said Brock's father had been gone. But he had to of started pretty young too. He was what, 16-17, maybe, when Ash met him?

Posted by: Usagi Zakura Jun 5 2009, 06:12 PM

Its repetitive, and it has Team Rocket in it.

As mentioned in another post here I really don't get their obsession with Pikachu.
They show up in episode 2 looking like feared badass villains, then they get roasted by an injured Pikachu, charged with a bunch of other Pikachu and a broken bike.
So obviously they decide Pikachu is awesome and want to steel it.
They show up again in episode 3 and squirt Pikachu and Pidgeotto in their face then...they get beaten...not by Pikachu, but by CATERPIE. Whom judging by his following evolution was probably around level 6 at the time. That doesn't say much about Ekans and Koffing's levels does it?

There's also the issue of Giovanni. I always thought that before the end of the Kanto arc they'd have some kind of big showdown with him but now..Now I'm not even sure if the main characters are aware he exists. He gets far too little to do despite the fact that he SHOULD be the main villain, at least of the first arc! Instead we get Jessie, James and Meowth. Who are probably fired by now but too dumb to realize it.

Then there's how everyone releases Pokčmon for the most idiotic reasons.
Ash trades Butterfree for a Raticate for...why? Some random guy suggested it?? What the heck did he need Raticate for anyway? He'd already proven Butterfee was stronger! Yes he got it back but gosh!
Just a few episodes later Butterfree is released so it can have a mate... Wonder if he regretted that a few episodes later when he got to Saffron City?
Then there's how Pidgeotto is plain ignored in several episodes. He's one of my favourite Pokčmon that's been in Ash's parties and its lucky to be mentioned let alone let out of its pokčball every now and then. He didn't even let it out at Mewtwo's party when everyone else let out ALL their Pokčmon (but Ash, Brock and Misty..Misty only let out Psyduck it seems, the pokčmon she hates most o.o)
And of course... Pidgeotto for some reason evolves despite never being allowed to fight and he releases it too look after a bunch of Pidgey facepalm.gif
He also meets a bunch of Pikachu which makes him consider releasing THAT so he can be with his own kind! Does he EVER consider that for all the other Pokčmon he's forcefully stuffed into a ball and taking them away from their homes and families?
He gave away Primeape once he'd FINALLY made it listen to him so it can become a boxing champion...which it already was.
James leaves Growlie behind so it can look after his parents, now consider this: 1: They're lousy parents and he doesn't seem to like them. 2. What do they need looking after for? They're adults. James is the one who's constantly getting beat up by a yellow rodent. HE needs protection!
Then... well I pretty much stopped watching the anime for a while at this point. I've seen a few episodes recently but I only watch what I want to see.

What also confuses me is the case of Charmander-Charizard.
Ash rescues it from the cold rain where it ALMOST DIES as his previous douchebag trainer deserted him.
Charmander seems genuinely grateful and remains Ash's fateful friend until...he evolves into Charmeleon and torches his ear. What the blargagh.gif happened?
What an ungrateful pokčmon! I don't think I've seen that rapid change in personality with Ash's (few) other pokčmon who evolve.

Also Ash is said to be the same age as every other new main character, who's 10... he's had at least one one-year anniversary for getting Pikachu but no...He's 10. After 10 years, he's still 10.
He should be at least 17 by now but he definitely doesn't look that way.

Posted by: FalconWolf Jun 5 2009, 09:19 PM

I think one of their reasons for changing Ash's voice actor was to try and make him sound slightly more mature.

He should be about 15 in DP, having gone to the Battle Frontier after Hoen.

Posted by: Tenkohime Jun 6 2009, 02:57 AM

It isn't great, but I've seen worse as far as anime too. Nowadays, there's too much filler. There're even filler arcs! But at least it's better than Naruto's filler. That's not saying much. noes.gif

I love the movies, though. The pace of them forces them to come up with epic stories and pull out all the stops and all.

Posted by: Azuras Aug 11 2009, 07:44 AM

What I don't like about the anime are common mistakes (such as in graphics/coloring...) and events that don't make sense.
I also agree with too many fillers and I simply can't understand how time passes in the pokemon world, how they wear normal outfit in snowy climats and many other things >.> (this is the result of having an "anime" based on the manga only at the beggining of the series?)


fishes form real life swimming among pokemons? confused.gif

Posted by: Avegaille Aug 11 2009, 11:21 AM

It's a show for kids, so, nothing to bother with, at least for me when it comes to repetitive storyline, TR, those fillers... honestly though I love filler characters cause it has some variety to the cast and more shipping kinks. :P

I just don't like the technical errors they make... and also making Pokemon HD. But they had to go with the flow with the other anime, since HD is in now. :P

Damn, I'll never get my dose of Zoey now. XD

Lawl, yeah, the climate thing is too amusing. Normal clothing in winter, they must have superpowers for it. XP

Also, notice how Ash's and Brock's AG outfits seem more suitable for Sinnoh but instead, their Sinnoh outfits are meant for Hoenn? awesome.gif

Posted by: Kittyxthexkitsune Aug 21 2009, 01:04 PM

I don't think there's much I can say that hasn't already been said.

Honestly,I think it'd be awesome if the series was a little darker,you know?And I don't think the kiddies would complain,either.

But you know,not frighteningly dark.Just like,How 90's cartoons used to be a little on the edgey side.Pokemon's way too safe.Just a little suspense is all I'm asking.A few close-calls.

And also,I know that Team Rocket is primarily comic-relief now,but if they're going to use them for that,I think they should get better villians.I love Team Rocket,but they should either toughen up or become full-time good guys.I don't mind a good deed every once in a while,but doing nice things AND screwing up?Tsk tsk...Come on guys,you're supposed to be villians.

Posted by: bookist Aug 25 2009, 04:23 PM

one thing i dislike is corsola. It has the defense of a wet tissue, two swifts and a tackle KO it, from an espeon, before the split? Then you have the lack of continuity such as aerodactyl who originally ate people, but now we know it eats berries...

Posted by: Fabled Oct 29 2009, 12:34 PM

- Catch more pokémon. (Seriously!)
- Use some things from the manga.
- Replace Brock OR Ash.
- Make a girl the "new" ash.
- Put a bit more love in it. Like, Ash having a girlfriend or something.
- Stop putting Team Rocket in every episode.
- Let the characters have a little more personality.
- Make it a bit realistic, like let them actually sleep.
- Show how their whole day looks.
- Show a bit more of the town/city. (Let them stay a bit longer in one town/city)
- Make the characters a little more grown-up. I mean, Ash still acts the same he did when he was ten. (I think he's fourteen now or something).

Posted by: Dont smack Lugia Nov 14 2009, 03:41 PM

QUOTE(Fabled @ Oct 29 2009, 05:34 PM) *
- Catch more pokémon. (Seriously!)
- Use some things from the manga.
- Replace Brock OR Ash.
- Make a girl the "new" ash.
- Put a bit more love in it. Like, Ash having a girlfriend or something.
- Stop putting Team Rocket in every episode.
- Let the characters have a little more personality.
- Make it a bit realistic, like let them actually sleep.
- Show how their whole day looks.
- Show a bit more of the town/city. (Let them stay a bit longer in one town/city)
- Make the characters a little more grown-up. I mean, Ash still acts the same he did when he was ten. (I think he's fourteen now or something).


Here's what I think:

1.They should stop showing the same episodes all the time (Wallace Cup,Enter Galactic,etc.)

2.If Ash wants to be a Pokemon Master he needs better Pokemon than a Buizel,a Pikachu and a Chimchar.

3.In the Wallace Cup episode with May VS Dawn,May should have won.I mean look at Dawn-a Piplup couldn't stand a chance against a Glaceon.Please Nintendo,the main characters don't have to win every time

4.Why do all the episodes have pointless battles and plots?Remember when Ash actually caught Pokemon?Now he just seems to show off because his Buizel can spin and use Aqua Jet.

5.Moves are being too overpowered in the Anime.Whirlpool is not as strong as it is in the cartoon.

I think the Anime should be like the games-There is a different Main Character in every series and region.Then they could go around the region catching their Pokemon and battling the gym leader.Team Rocket only appear every few episodes trying to steal the main character's Pokedex.
That way there is no 'walking through a forest'.Stuff actually happens.

Oh,and also,I hate how Ash has two starter Pokemon.It's just unnatural.There's no way you'd find a Turtwig in the wild on the games.I think Brock should of had the Turtwig to even stuff out.

In my opinion,Team Rocket pwns everything in the Anime,especially Ash.They seem to be the only source of laughter in the whole show.Another funny thing is the sort-of-evil laugh Croagunk does when he's just jabbed brock in the backside for flirting.That cracks me up every time.There just isn't enough humor in the show as there used to be.

Posted by: Kunzi Nov 14 2009, 04:03 PM

I really dislike the new episodes, but I watch them just to keep up with it (and to see my favorite characters for the region).

ASH NEEDS TO EVOLVE PIKACHU. They've had like, 5 episodes where they leave it as a cliff hanger...then Meowth or something takes the stone and Pikachu doesn't evolve! Ugh!

MUK! He used Muk like, once and never used it again. And maybe he should use a few of the 30 Tauros he neglects. Bulbasaur, Chimchar, Squirtle, Totodile, and Cyndaquil really need to evolve. noes.gif

I love Team Rocket (only for Meowth) but they just need to become good guys.

Keep Ash, tone down his Mary Sue-ness, give him more wild Pokemon instead of starters, bring in a new character other than Brock and it'll be good. You just can't get rid of Ash because what would be the point of all those movies where he was the main character?

...I like Dawn, but her Piplup should NOT have won against Glaceon... Dawn is such a Mary Sue at contests.

Oh! They should put in a little more Gym battle episodes, because nearly all the episodes have to do with a contest, or training for one. Hoenn is my favorite region- anime-wise.

Posted by: Dont smack Lugia Nov 14 2009, 04:22 PM

QUOTE(Kunzi @ Nov 14 2009, 09:03 PM) *
I really dislike the new episodes, but I watch them just to keep up with it (and to see my favorite characters for the region).

ASH NEEDS TO EVOLVE PIKACHU. They've had like, 5 episodes where they leave it as a cliff hanger...then Meowth or something takes the stone and Pikachu doesn't evolve! Ugh!

MUK! He used Muk like, once and never used it again. And maybe he should use a few of the 30 Tauros he neglects. Bulbasaur, Chimchar, Squirtle, Totodile, and Cyndaquil really need to evolve. noes.gif

I love Team Rocket (only for Meowth) but they just need to become good guys.

Keep Ash, tone down his Mary Sue-ness, give him more wild Pokemon instead of starters, bring in a new character other than Brock and it'll be good. You just can't get rid of Ash because what would be the point of all those movies where he was the main character?

...I like Dawn, but her Piplup should NOT have won against Glaceon... Dawn is such a Mary Sue at contests.

Oh! They should put in a little more Gym battle episodes, because nearly all the episodes have to do with a contest, or training for one. Hoenn is my favorite region- anime-wise.


What I find sad is the fact that you never see any of the 'Good' Pokemon anymore.When I say the 'Good' Pokemon I mean the likes of Beedrill,Eevee,Gyarados,etc.Remember the extremely sad Butterfree episode?I haven't seen Butterfree since then,and I find that quite upsetting.Just think about it.Butterfree was an innocent thing.It was basically a butterfly.But that was what was so innocently appealing about it.Remember when Jessie's Dustox was leaving?Yeah,that was a bit sad,but it didn't leave you in floods of tears.
That's the power of the old Pokemon anime.It was so detailed and involving,it MADE you cry.It MADE you laugh.If they re-did that episode again in Sinnoh with Buizel,I could garuntee nobody would cry.Why?Because the anime is absolutely emotionless now.Remember Ash's Muk?It just wanted to be hugged all the time.That's what was so innocently appealing about it.Now the Pokemon don't seem to have that connection with the characters.
Back to Butterfree.I don't know how to put it into words,but I suppose the only plush toys kids have now are the Sinnoh Pokemon ones.Somewhere,in a kid's room,there is a Butterfree plush.A cute one.At one point in the late 90's that plush was played with.But now it just gets ignored.Why?Because all the innocent Pokemon get kicked out of the spotlight,never to be seen on TV again.That's why Nintendo made the Dustox leaving episode.It's just a way of saying,"goodbye Pokemon fans,after this episode I will not show myself in Sinnoh again.
I think EVERY SINGLE POKEMON THERE IS should show up in the anime now.I think a Butterfree Garden would be the most child-friendly part of the whole Anime.I think a Sanctuary for Pokemon such as Altaria and Pidgeot would be a great idea.But now the anime is all about battling,and new Pokemon.That's whats so sad.The fact that the Pokemon that were once the toys that everybody wanted,that everybody wanted to hug at night as cute plushes,are being scrapped,you could say.I have NEVER seen a Beedrill or a Nidoran or a Growlithe in the current Anime.And that,to me,and I'm sure to the rest of you,is why the anime is so bad these days.

And just look on Ebay-Pokemon figures are sold in their hundreds.But what sort are they selling?Well,mostly the first generation figures.Why?Not just because the child who played with them had grown out of them,but because the first generation Pokemon haven't been in the anime for such a long time,they've been put put in a corner.Because Shaymin is what everybody wants now.Those people who want all the new stuff just feel that Muk,and Shellder,and Butterfree aren't important anymore.And that,Pokemon Fans,is why the Anime is not how it used to be.It's the harsh fact that the original-and the best-have been pushed aside.

crying.gif Poor Butterfree---I'll always miss you!!!

Posted by: Masterge77 Nov 15 2009, 04:03 PM

Sometimes, I just wish Ash Ketchum would DIE

First, there's the repetitive plot, which started around mid-Johto after Cianwood, then we wnet into the first fillers, then as soon as we reach hoenn, Pikachu sucks at battle, Misty is replaced by a new girl, and Brock is still travveling with Ash, it seems Brock is never tired of traveling with Ash, even tough May replaced Misty, who enjoyed travveling with ash and never got tired until her dumb blonde steryotype sisters with valley girl accents and an IQ of negative 30, not to mention that they are whiny b*tches, got in the way by leaving the gym, making Misty use all the gym pokemon whie the Waterflower sisters are nothing but shop-a-holics and can care less about taking care of a Pokemon gym because all they cared about was shopping, fashion, and cute boyfriends, god, how I HATED Misty's sisters, and how much I miss Misty

then, when we started Sinnoh, Pikachu still suckks at the beginning though he is like, level 100 now, they recycled yet another Main character (May to Dawn), who is terrible at being atrainer and has the bird starter for her main pokemon, Brock is STILL traveling with Ash, and Team Rocket STILL follows them for Pikachu, why don't they just give up and look for something worthwhile to steal, like, I duunno, THE F**KING LEGENDARIES instead of a worthless yellow rat

I just cant take this madness anymore, this is why the Pokemon Special manga is better, as it is more darker and more mature, oh, did I mention that the plotlines of the Anime are very childish, HOW ABOUT AN ACTUAL STORY FOR ONCE PEOPLE!!!!!!!

QUOTE(Damian @ Aug 18 2008, 06:39 PM) *
QUOTE(Swordsalmon @ Oct 7 2007, 07:47 PM) *
Didn't they do that already? I remember seeing an episode with an entirely different cast, with different antagonists, and was actually good!

yeah i remember that
it was pokemon chronicles with the G/S game heros
it was fun but they killed the animes



If only they did that more often...............

QUOTE(Tiamat @ Aug 22 2008, 05:03 AM) *
Besides that, they need a completely new Pokemon series. Like, no more Ash, no more Pikachu, ect. Team Rocket can stay as cameos because they're made of Awesome and Win, but that's it. Really, it's too generic now, and we need a fresh take on the anime.


Agreed, but they should be DIFFRENT members of TR, not Jessie and James, a talking Pokemon with them is ok

Posted by: supergoten Nov 16 2009, 11:20 PM

I think it's ok the way it is.

Replace Brock or Ash?
Oh yes, let's ruin the series like they did with Yu-Gi-Oh, they removed Yugi and turned the show into some crap about a card game school, nice.

And Team Rocket is what makes the show <3

Posted by: Netbug009 Nov 20 2009, 08:33 AM

I love the anime. I think it's more about the journey than about where we get. I think the characters are fun.

I'm so glad Ash doesn't catch a ton of Pokemon, but I'm glad he changes them every season, because I love the Pokemon's stories and I think those get deeper every season.

Oh, and I think voices have nothing to do with the plot as long as they are able to express the emotion they need to.

Posted by: Soifon Nov 20 2009, 05:45 PM

Ash's Pikachu should be lvl100 by now, and he still has trouble in battle? What the eff? I still ponder this.

Posted by: Golden Mew Dec 2 2009, 06:36 AM

It's probably been said, but I'd really love to see an anime version of the Pokemon Special manga. That would make for some very good watching.

Posted by: Masterge77 Dec 3 2009, 08:06 AM

QUOTE(Dont smack Lugia @ Nov 14 2009, 04:22 PM) *
What I find sad is the fact that you never see any of the 'Good' Pokemon anymore.When I say the 'Good' Pokemon I mean the likes of Beedrill,Eevee,Gyarados,etc.Remember the extremely sad Butterfree episode?I haven't seen Butterfree since then,and I find that quite upsetting.Just think about it.Butterfree was an innocent thing.It was basically a butterfly.But that was what was so innocently appealing about it.Remember when Jessie's Dustox was leaving?Yeah,that was a bit sad,but it didn't leave you in floods of tears.
That's the power of the old Pokemon anime.It was so detailed and involving,it MADE you cry.It MADE you laugh.If they re-did that episode again in Sinnoh with Buizel,I could garuntee nobody would cry.Why?Because the anime is absolutely emotionless now.Remember Ash's Muk?It just wanted to be hugged all the time.That's what was so innocently appealing about it.Now the Pokemon don't seem to have that connection with the characters.
Back to Butterfree.I don't know how to put it into words,but I suppose the only plush toys kids have now are the Sinnoh Pokemon ones.Somewhere,in a kid's room,there is a Butterfree plush.A cute one.At one point in the late 90's that plush was played with.But now it just gets ignored.Why?Because all the innocent Pokemon get kicked out of the spotlight,never to be seen on TV again.That's why Nintendo made the Dustox leaving episode.It's just a way of saying,"goodbye Pokemon fans,after this episode I will not show myself in Sinnoh again.
I think EVERY SINGLE POKEMON THERE IS should show up in the anime now.I think a Butterfree Garden would be the most child-friendly part of the whole Anime.I think a Sanctuary for Pokemon such as Altaria and Pidgeot would be a great idea.But now the anime is all about battling,and new Pokemon.That's whats so sad.The fact that the Pokemon that were once the toys that everybody wanted,that everybody wanted to hug at night as cute plushes,are being scrapped,you could say.I have NEVER seen a Beedrill or a Nidoran or a Growlithe in the current Anime.And that,to me,and I'm sure to the rest of you,is why the anime is so bad these days.

And just look on Ebay-Pokemon figures are sold in their hundreds.But what sort are they selling?Well,mostly the first generation figures.Why?Not just because the child who played with them had grown out of them,but because the first generation Pokemon haven't been in the anime for such a long time,they've been put put in a corner.Because Shaymin is what everybody wants now.Those people who want all the new stuff just feel that Muk,and Shellder,and Butterfree aren't important anymore.And that,Pokemon Fans,is why the Anime is not how it used to be.It's the harsh fact that the original-and the best-have been pushed aside.

crying.gif Poor Butterfree---I'll always miss you!!!


Agreed, the last episode in Japan recently just made me want to shoot Ash dead, cause he dumped HIS BEST pokemon that was not that f**king rat, never to be seen again, I hate Ash anymore, he is such a horrible neglectful trainer

I don't just hate Ash, I hate the whole anime anymore, it just ticks me off to see characters that only care about battling and winning, than caring for thw life of others, this is the flaw of the anime, it rarely makes you laugh or cry anymore, but I found out the real reason, Nintendo is doing this to the anime to attract new younger fans, and absolutely dump and neglect older veteran fans like us, I've been a fan since generation 2, but does nintendo care, NO, they only care about the newbs, not the ones who grew up with Pokemon since the beginning......

Posted by: Netbug009 Jan 8 2010, 06:58 AM

QUOTE(Masterge77 @ Dec 3 2009, 05:06 AM) *
it just ticks me off to see characters that only care about battling and winning, than caring for thw life of others, this is the flaw of the anime, it rarely makes you laugh or cry anymore


...Wha? I have to disagree there. IMO, Ash has actually toned down on his "CATCH AND WIN EVERYTHING!" attitude that he had at the beginning of the series. As well, a lot of the Pokemon characters (they are characters too) have deeper personalities and plot development. I mean, I'm not just an Ash's Chimchar fan because I like fire monkeys. Tears For Fears made me cry. Hard.

But anyways, I'm not just in here to be defensive. I have some critique of my own:

I love this show, but sometimes the writers feeling a NEED to put Team Rocket in every single episode gets old. They're not the main characters and sometimes they just get in the way of the plot. A lot of times they really just feel tossed in there and it devalues their character and wastes time. :/

Posted by: shamanx21 Jan 9 2010, 09:24 AM

I hate how Pikachu is like, God-mode in one episode, where it takes down big ass pokemon it normally couldn't...but then later on gets beat by weak pokemon like Elikid or whatever. Freakin' evolve already. I also hate how he just gives away his pokemon.
Also, the anime gets VERY lazy sometimes. I know they've been doing this for years but 'cmon, its 2010, get on it. Also, who gives a rats ass about pokemon contests. They're embarrassing to watch alone or even with other fans.

Posted by: Stimpy Jan 9 2010, 04:12 PM

My greatest fear of the anime is probably that horrid, hairy, slimy creature...

DAWN.

Oh my god, she's so retarded. Especially her voice. Everytime I hear it, I want to slam my head into my desk. noes.gif<

Posted by: qgag Jan 9 2010, 08:13 PM

why do you guys hate pokémon anime so much?!and don't give me the ''it sucks'' part again! horrified.gif all you do is rant on that anime!its like you just want it to get cancelled!!I mean,instead of saying hell of it...why don't you try to find the positive side of it for a change?and i know that the thread is for talking about the strange thing in the anime(believe me i've seen some ****ed up stuff throughout my pokémon years) but why don't you do another thread about finding good things about the anime?its not like its the worst anime ever cuz if it was it would have been cancelled long ago!

Posted by: Netbug009 Jan 10 2010, 01:42 AM

Well, I can't speak for everybody, but I personally love the Pokemon anime. I just feel a few improvements could be made in places. ^^;

Posted by: Nichaling Jan 12 2010, 05:22 PM

QUOTE(qgag @ Jan 9 2010, 08:13 PM) *
why do you guys hate pokémon anime so much?!and don't give me the ''it sucks'' part again! horrified.gif all you do is rant on that anime!its like you just want it to get cancelled!!I mean,instead of saying hell of it...why don't you try to find the positive side of it for a change?and i know that the thread is for talking about the strange thing in the anime(believe me i've seen some ****ed up stuff throughout my pokémon years) but why don't you do another thread about finding good things about the anime?its not like its the worst anime ever cuz if it was it would have been cancelled long ago!

If you'd actually read all of what was said, you could see some good points.

I followed the anime until johto... I think? I can't even remember half of the episodes. I started watching the last episodes some time ago and thought they were all starting all over again with Dawn.
I agree with most the people saying it should be more "dark". I miss when team rocket was badass.
I liked the anime, the kanto and johto one, haven't much followed the others.
Damn, I thought I had some intelligent things to say after reading all of this, but I don't xD I liked the old anime. I still watch some, and the movies are 10 times better than the anime, that's for sure.

Posted by: Koratah Jan 12 2010, 06:05 PM

Other than 90% of the things already said that I agree with, I think they should just START OVER. Trash the whole thing, lovable characters and all.. start with new characters, a new plot.. ETC.

I'd like to see a trainer starting in Johto(NOT LIKE THE POKEMON CHRONICLES. noes.gif Those things failed). And maybe we'd get to see some of the GSC rival, Silver? He was pretty damn cool in the games, like a Paul that's NOT annoying. He was never seen in the anime, so that'd be cool. I'd also like a Team insertnamehere that doesn't fail. Now, I love James and stuff, but Team Rocket just fails worse then they used too.. Ah, so many things. I wish us fans could make an anime. -sigh-

Posted by: Unholy Shadow Jan 23 2010, 05:29 AM

They should air a separate one based off the manga for us Pokeveterans. B)
And ffs, they shan't air it on a kids station! Air it on like... adult swim or something.

Posted by: Tazzie Jan 24 2010, 02:19 AM

agreed with the person above me ^

also, the first season was ok and the rest was alright then it was just fillers and it was like facepalm.gif and then the new one comes out err whats it called AH Perle and Dimond i think and the voice of ash makes ( no offence ) him sound like an kid who is trying to sound like an adalut but is failing so bad that after a few min of watiching the episode it sucks.


Posted by: Chari Jan 26 2010, 09:56 AM

QUOTE
why do you guys hate pokémon anime so much?!and don't give me the ''it sucks'' part again! all you do is rant on that anime!its like you just want it to get cancelled!!I mean,instead of saying hell of it...why don't you try to find the positive side of it for a change?and i know that the thread is for talking about the strange thing in the anime(believe me i've seen some ****ed up stuff throughout my pokémon years) but why don't you do another thread about finding good things about the anime?its not like its the worst anime ever cuz if it was it would have been cancelled long ago!

Agree
But I hate fanservice and always gilry girls. I wanna see kick-your-ass new girl

Posted by: Ashachu Jan 28 2010, 07:13 AM

Stop hiding hidden messages like "Leo burnett and the 4kids are the devils! Leo burnett" and make the voice actors say right, seriously...
"Arcanine, flamethrower!"
Its a friggin growlithe..

Posted by: Xaiv Feb 5 2010, 07:48 PM

You have to remember that this is a show for little kids (for the creativity).

As for the voice actors, agreed.

Posted by: raltschan Jan 21 2011, 04:39 PM

The voice is a horror blargagh.gif

Posted by: Breeder Drew Jan 25 2011, 09:36 PM

I want a kickass girl or May back.

Posted by: Eppie Feb 20 2011, 11:31 AM

Well, for those everyone who wants old voice actors back.. I think most of them were replaced because they simply grew up from the roles or they didn't find the job interesting anymore. Like seriously, just a few guy can talk like a 10 year old boy when they're 20 and I would be pretty pissed off if I had to do the same voice role for 5 to 10 year..

I would personally love a situation, where Ash someday comes back to the old regions and tries to win the Leagues again. But he actually couldn't become a champion, because Ash's life would dramatically change and the whole anime would lost its idea :/

Posted by: Hurricane Feb 21 2011, 08:27 AM

I'm going to do a quote from amother forum,serebii. "One of the reasons the pokemon anime exist is to support japanese bread snacks" Search it up! facepalm.gif

Posted by: Killer Zylos Wolf Feb 22 2011, 04:05 PM

I see no horrors in the anime. I enjoy it a lot. I rarely have anything bad to say. And when I do, it's very minor and wouldn't change my opinion on the show at all. If I had lots of things or one big thing I didn't like about the show I would simply stop watching and move on.

Posted by: PacMan76 Apr 6 2011, 06:02 PM

Kids will eat anything up these days, Honestly we need a new violent and more intense pokemon show,



Posted by: Snowsky Jan 2 2013, 09:07 PM

I, for one, wish they would:

- Stop making the characters say stupid stuff like "That's [attack name]!" or "[Type 1] is super-effective against [Type 2]"! We know what they're doing already, you don't need to commentate FOR us!
- Stop trying to cram so many rivals into one season. When that happens, you can guarantee that no one is going to get an equal piece of the spotlight pie - you end up with one or two hogging all the limelight while the rest are stuck waiting in the wings for god-knows-how-long.

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