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Ghosts?, Real or Fake
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post Nov 19 2010, 09:20 PM
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I, myself, am a full believer in ghosts. But I've met some people who don't believe in life after death.

So I decided to ask all you GTS+ members, what you think.
Do you believe that ghosts are out there? Wandering the grounds where they once stood.
Or do you believe ghosts are just made up by paranormal investigators? That's there's no such thing as life after death.


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post Nov 21 2010, 04:16 PM
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post Nov 25 2010, 12:23 AM
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post Nov 25 2010, 02:30 PM
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As an atheist, i don't believe in Ghost but it's always fun to get creeped out while watched Ghost Hunters.


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post Nov 26 2010, 01:56 PM
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QUOTE(evolutionrex @ Nov 25 2010, 11:30 AM) *
As an atheist


What does that mean?

Okay, so you mean to tell me that believers in God believe in ghosts. Big news: Ghosts do not necessarily have to do with God. So by saying you are "Atheist" you are somewhat implying that religious people are being silly in believing in God.

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post Nov 26 2010, 01:59 PM
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QUOTE(FancyGranola @ Nov 26 2010, 06:56 PM) *
QUOTE(evolutionrex @ Nov 25 2010, 11:30 AM) *
As an atheist


What does that mean?


Don't believe in God and anything religous/spiritual.

However, I don't think ghosts really count as Atheism o-o


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post Nov 26 2010, 02:00 PM
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I don't believe in Ghosts, but I like the idea.


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post Nov 26 2010, 02:00 PM
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QUOTE(Samoosion @ Nov 26 2010, 10:59 AM) *
Don't believe in God and anything religous/spiritual.

However, I don't think ghosts really count as Atheism o-o


That's what I think too.


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post Nov 26 2010, 02:13 PM
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QUOTE(FancyGranola @ Nov 26 2010, 10:56 AM) *
QUOTE(evolutionrex @ Nov 25 2010, 11:30 AM) *
As an atheist


What does that mean?

Okay, so you mean to tell me that believers in God believe in ghosts. Big news: Ghosts do not necessarily have to do with God. So by saying you are "Atheist" you are somewhat implying that religious people are being silly in believing in God.

what the hell are you talking about? I meant nothing like that. you took it that way wrong. I was merely stating that I'm an Atheist, and as far as I'm concerned Atheist don't believe in ghosts. True, ghosts don't necessarily involve religion, but the whole idea of ghosts is that their souls or people who didn't make it to Heaven or Hell, which I'm sure involves religion.

You thought to much when i said "As an Atheist."


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post Nov 26 2010, 02:25 PM
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QUOTE(evolutionrex @ Nov 26 2010, 02:13 PM) *
what the hell are you talking about? I meant nothing like that. you took it that way wrong. I was merely stating that I'm an Atheist, and as far as I'm concerned Atheist don't believe in ghosts. True, ghosts don't necessarily involve religion, but the whole idea of ghosts is that their souls or people who didn't make it to Heaven or Hell, which I'm sure involves religion.

You thought to much when i said "As an Atheist."

There are plenty of religious people who don't believe in ghosts.

Actually, I once saw a site about ghosts in which the creator(s) said that they were turned away from Christianity because many Christians they met said that they were crazy for believing in ghosts, or something. (of course, I'm not implying that there aren't Christians [or other people from other religions] who do believe in ghosts. I was just stating what the creator(s) said.)

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post Nov 26 2010, 02:32 PM
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QUOTE(StrawberryLoveIntervention @ Nov 26 2010, 11:25 AM) *
There are plenty of religious people who don't believe in ghosts.

Actually, I once saw a site about ghosts in which the creator(s) said that they were turned away from Christianity because many Christians they meant said that they were crazy for believing in ghosts, or something. (of course, I'm not implying that there aren't Christians who do believe in ghosts. I was just stating what the creator(s) said.)


And plenty of non-religious people that believe in ghosts, people like that are "spiritual." There is a difference between belief and religion.


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post Nov 26 2010, 02:57 PM
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QUOTE(StrawberryLoveIntervention @ Nov 26 2010, 11:25 AM) *
QUOTE(evolutionrex @ Nov 26 2010, 02:13 PM) *
what the hell are you talking about? I meant nothing like that. you took it that way wrong. I was merely stating that I'm an Atheist, and as far as I'm concerned Atheist don't believe in ghosts. True, ghosts don't necessarily involve religion, but the whole idea of ghosts is that their souls or people who didn't make it to Heaven or Hell, which I'm sure involves religion.

You thought to much when i said "As an Atheist."

There are plenty of religious people who don't believe in ghosts.

Actually, I once saw a site about ghosts in which the creator(s) said that they were turned away from Christianity because many Christians they met said that they were crazy for believing in ghosts, or something. (of course, I'm not implying that there aren't Christians [or other people from other religions] who do believe in ghosts. I was just stating what the creator(s) said.)

Okay? When did i ever say that all religious people believe in ghosts? I have no idea why you quoted me on something that i didn't say unimpressed.gif

QUOTE(FancyGranola @ Nov 26 2010, 11:32 AM) *
And plenty of non-religious people that believe in ghosts, people like that are "spiritual." There is a difference between belief and religion.

not really. To be an atheist you can't believe in god, spirits, or anything like that. I mean, people could but can't name anyone like that. To be "spiritual" must mean you have some type of religion, just becuase it isn't a mainstream religion doesn't make it, what you call, a "belief." beliefs are in fact religion, just your own beliefs in a official religion.

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post Nov 26 2010, 03:27 PM
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Okay, seriously guys? I just started this debate on whether you believe in ghosts or not, but instead you turned into towards religion and athiests.
I swear, everywhere I look, there are people fighting over what other religions believe in and junk like that.
I don't care what religion you are! If you're athiest, okay! You're an athiest! Congrats!
If you Catholic, good for you!
Just keep your beliefs and religion to yourself, instead of posting it on a thread that has nothing to do with all of that stuff!


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QUOTE(evolutionrex @ Nov 26 2010, 02:57 PM) *
Okay? When did i ever say that all religious people believe in ghosts? I have no idea why you quoted me on something that i didn't say unimpressed.gif

I interpreted your post as something like "Religions and religious people usually believe in ghosts."

QUOTE(TehHuntress @ Nov 26 2010, 03:27 PM) *
Okay, seriously guys? I just started this debate on whether you believe in ghosts or not, but instead you turned into towards religion and athiests.
I swear, everywhere I look, there are people fighting over what other religions believe in and junk like that.
I don't care what religion you are! If you're athiest, okay! You're an athiest! Congrats!
If you Catholic, good for you!
Just keep your beliefs and religion to yourself, instead of posting it on a thread that has nothing to do with all of that stuff!

Sorry. I should have just ignored it instead of adding oil to the fire. Please forgive me.

I lean towards yes because of the elaborate personal experiences I've heard and the stories of haunted places. I don't think that every sighting is an actual ghost, though. I've heard of one case where a couple stopped seeing ghosts after replacing their filter, which apparently had carbon monoxide.

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I somewhat believe in ghosts, or at least some kind of afterlife like that. Even if it's just some kind of memory recollection retained by a location.


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post Nov 26 2010, 05:09 PM
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QUOTE(StrawberryLoveIntervention @ Nov 26 2010, 12:52 PM) *
QUOTE(evolutionrex @ Nov 26 2010, 02:57 PM) *
Okay? When did i ever say that all religious people believe in ghosts? I have no idea why you quoted me on something that i didn't say unimpressed.gif

I interpreted your post as something like "Religions and religious people usually believe in ghosts."

Well it wasn't. I don't even know where people got that from. I was saying Atheist(for the most part) don't believe in ghost. You assumed too much.

I didn't mean to bring religion into this, but people had to comment on three words; "As an Atheist." It seems just becuase i said that people assumed i was bashing religious people.


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of course everything turns into an argument

Ahem.
Anyway,
Ghosts.

I do believe that there is such a thing out there,
Being a spiritual entity that cannot/refuses to go to, ah, the "next" part of exsitance (sp?)
Or whatever it's called.

Though, I would only think that would be the, ah, more "free" ghosts
That respond to people and are able to scare the shit out of you

The kind of ghosts that are simply like a tape caught on record
I see more as, say, a part of a person
A memory, let's say,
That has been imprinted on that area
And is unable to be removed,
Unless, like, destroying the entire house :|

Either way, my answer is a "Y"


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I live very close to the city of New Orleans, so ghosts, spirits, ect. aren't unfamiliar. My parents have gone to certain lodging areas (I can't remember if it was hotels or B&Bs or what) and have had odd things happen such as doors closing by themselves and bizarre noises. Im sure a LOT of places like this are fake and use some methods to immitate the typical haunted house scene, but others are probably real. There are a lot of television shows about ghost stories, and although im sure most are fake I wouldn't be suprised of some were real. Unlike other topics like Aliens, ghostly activity is known well worldwide. Other worldly life is too but not nearly as well as ghosts.

Many other cities are known for spirits too, I hear London has good bunch of haunts in the castle(s). Im sure you can see by now, but yeah, I believe in them. Always found it interesting how effective holy water is in some cases, but it tends to just supress the souls for a certain amount of time, not help them 'pass on' or leave.

EDIT: I tottaly forgot, one of my Uncles told me a few stories that are apparenly true encounters his family has had with ghosts. One of two boys who were brothers, did everything together, both cought pnuemonia and died, and was spotted by a family member a week after they died. Similar with a woman who went to a stump when she was depressed.

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