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Cheating in Pokémon Games
Chu Chu
post Feb 28 2010, 09:48 PM
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* Is cheating good or bad, or is it mixed depending on the situation? It depends on the sitiuation. If your using them to cheat someone on a trade or cheat at the video game competitions then its bad.
* Why do you think people cheat? Idk all sorts of reasons. I think the most common is to get shiny lvl 100's.
* Does exploiting glitches count as cheating, or does it depend on what exactly the glitch does?It depends. If you can use it to your advantage to beat the game than yea.
* What do you think of people who trade hacked Pokémon?This is exactly why I feel uncomtorable using the Golbal Trading Station. Im always afraid im trading for a hacked pokemon.
* What do you think of people who do not cheat themselves but will still accept hacked Pokémon from others knowing full well the Pokémon are hacked?Thats kinda still cheating since you KNOW its hacked and not "legit'.
* What do you think of the people who use Pokémon created by things like Pokésav to battle others?Well if they dont know and its like their lvl 100's getting beat by lvl 1's then that might cause some problems.
* What is your stance on cloned Pokémon?This is like hacking the pokemon to get it yourself.
* Do you think that cloned Pokémon devalue certain types of Pokémon (shinies, event Pokémon, etc.)?Sorta. It makes it harder to tell the events and shinys from the real thing.
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post Mar 1 2010, 08:22 PM
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* Is cheating good or bad, or is it mixed depending on the situation? It depends on the sitiuation.
* Why do you think people cheat? To beat hard parts.
* Does exploiting glitches count as cheating, or does it depend on what exactly the glitch does? No.
* What do you think of people who trade hacked Pokémon?
* What do you think of people who do not cheat themselves but will still accept hacked Pokémon from others knowing full well the Pokémon are hacked? Thats kinda still cheating since you KNOW its hacked and not "legit'. Yeah.
* What do you think of the people who use Pokémon created by things like Pokésav to battle others?Well if they dont know and its like their lvl 100's getting beat by lvl 1's then that might cause some problems. True.
* What is your stance on cloned Pokémon? I don't mind it.
* Do you think that cloned Pokémon devalue certain types of Pokémon (shinies, event Pokémon, etc.)? Yes.
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post Jun 9 2010, 02:36 PM
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cheating is bad and for lazy people sleep.gif and evil devil.gif people who want to ruin peoples games and i got an hacked magmorter level 77 caught at pokemon league met at 63 i think he probly used steal from trainers code cuz i know in platnium a elite 4 guy has magmorter (the 3rd which is teh fire type) i noticed it in summary it knows thunderpunch (which i taught it) rock climb (not taught by me) thunderbolt flamethrower
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post Mar 3 2011, 05:07 PM
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Ok, so I'm a partial hacker. I hack to make pokemon (WITH LEGIT MOVESETS AND STATS) to fight in the battle tower. I don't hack to beat the game, although I did it once in Pokemon Pearl, but then I didn't save and fought the pokemon league again. My two cents on the subject.


Is cheating good or bad, or is it mixed depending on the situation?
Mixed, and there are so many different situations, that I can't go through them all.

Why do you think people cheat?
Well, I've hacked pokemon games, but only for a completely legitimate teams to battle with in the towers. I only do it because I don't have the time to sit through leveling 6 pokemon to lv 100 with perfect EVs. Does that mean I shouldn't battle online? No. I hack to make pokemon that would otherwise be completely legit, no impossible moves or stats.

Does exploiting glitches count as cheating, or does it depend on what exactly the glitch does?

It depends on what the glitch does. The Mew glitch, hack. You don't need a Mew to finish the pokedex (I don' think so, at least, been a long time since I've played Blue), so getting it is for personal gain only. It's a hack, whereas if you needed it for your pokedex, it would be slightly justifiable.

What do you think of people who trade hacked Pokémon?

If they have legit stats, I don't mind it, but I don't trade hacked pokemon to people, unless they're friends who've asked for them.

What do you think of people who do not cheat themselves but will still accept hacked Pokémon from others knowing full well the Pokémon are hacked?

Their choice.

What do you think of the people who use Pokémon created by things like Pokésav to battle others?

If the pokemon have legit movesets and stats, I see no harm in having a hacked pokemon. You don't have to go through endless training to enjoy battling people.

What is your stance on cloned Pokémon?

Depends on what's done with it. If you keep it in your game, great. If you try to rip people off with it, it's not acceptable.

Do you think that cloned Pokémon devalue certain types of Pokémon (shinies, event Pokémon, etc.)?

Only if you want it to. Just because someone has 60000000 shiny eevees doesn't mean your legit shiny eevee is worth any less. Learn to take pride in your accomplishments, and not worry about other people's issues, unless they directly affect you.
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post Mar 4 2011, 03:23 PM
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I hack, so, I can't say its completely wrong. if you hack to get pokemon that you want that you normally couldn't get otherwise (like version exclusives), but keep everything about them legitimate, then ok.

Now, where I say its wrong is when you hack to fight real life people competitively by giving your pokemon illegal moves, abilities, and stats, yes, that is wrong.

If you cheat on your in game team, nah, thats ok as its not really giving you an advantage over other people, just NPCs who dont matter that much anyway.

Basically, if it gives you a direct advantage over someone else, yes, thats wrong. But if its just in your game, its not hurting anyone else
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post Mar 4 2011, 04:02 PM
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I find nothing wrong with "Cheating" myself. I definitely do not have the patience to breed Pokemon that don't suck, so I either hack a Ditto with 31 IVs in all stats or just make the Pokemon I want to use on Pokesav. I don't intend on attending any official tournaments anyway.

I also cheat for event Pokemon - like in 2007 I used an action replay to unlock Shaymin and Darkrai, as well as Arceus to complete my Pokedex. I had all the third generation event Pokemon unlocked, so I just transfered them over from Pal Park.
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Cheating is only good when you've completed the game itself, since there's pretty much nothing to do in the games when you're done with the main storyline, and if you usually just play Pokémon by yourself.

But if you haven't completed the game and you use cheats, then it's bad. It's also bad if you just want to get illegit Pokémon and use them online.


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post Aug 21 2012, 07:17 AM
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the only time i would personally cheat is to get an event pokemon that is impossible for me to obtain. also i'd wait until i had finished the game before doing that. cheating while still playing through the plot makes stuff boring, but once you're done cheating can be fun, as long as you don't use it to cheat in multiplayer battles or trade people hacked pokemon. that sort of ruins the immersion of the game, i think.


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post Aug 26 2012, 11:13 PM
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Whenever I start a Pokemon game (4th gen and on), I promise myself I won't cheat unless I get stuck or finish the game (ever since cheating through Diamond, fuu). So, no item hacks, Pokemon hacks, Pokeball hacks, or any experience hacks.
Getting stuck falls along the lines of being underleveled at an important battle (more specifically, the Elite Four), which I will usually go grinding. However, if I'm too far away to do it where I don't have the patience for grinding that many levels on so many Pokemon, I will get myself some Rare Candies or an experience cheat (I've only had this problem with Soul Silver so far, so yay~). After finishing, I abuse PokeSav (hey, it's not like I'll be attending in any tournaments). ;3 That is, if I can find one that actually works... Diamond/Pearl doesn't work, Black/White is iffy.

Trading hacked Pokemon? I myself do attempt at trading them, but I inform beforehand that I got it through cheating. I leave it to them to decide if they want my Pokemon.

Events? I've only succeeded with a few of these. In Soul Silver, I can't get the Shiny Pichu/Spiky-Earred Pichu event to work. I got the Arceus at the Ruins of Alph to work. In Diamond, I used the Azure Flute to battle Arceus (what a waste of an event and programming).
So what I'm trying to say is I'm fine with this. You can't get to every event there will ever be. Especially the ones that happen out of your country. Or if your like me, and you live no where near any god damned GameStop, Toys 'R Us, or Walmart (our nearest is about 300 miles away, fuuuu). Luckily, I can get 5th gen WiFi events ./offtopicrantrantrant

So I'm perfectly fine with cheating, as long as you're not being a dishonest ass online. What you do to your game isn't my problem.


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post Aug 26 2012, 11:17 PM
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I like to cheat when I've already beaten the game, and I want to totally corrupt a file )XD
But I'll sometimes use the fast level up cheat, because with me, it just saves time. I severly over-train my Pokemon. I once had a Charizard to fight Misty in Fire Red...
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Is cheating good or bad, or is it mixed depending on the situation?
Cheating, in my opinion, is rather bad. A true gamer of any kind, as well as pokemon trainers, should train their own pokemon and make them strong. This includes using a hacked pokemon from the GTS, or through a custom mystery gift.

Why do you think people cheat?
To be honest, they aren't worth my time. If you battle against someone who cheats, and you lose, then its no real lose, as they didn't earn that victory, however if you win, it makes your victory all that much sweeter as you know you are better than those who have to cheat their way through the games

Does exploiting glitches count as cheating, or does it depend on what exactly the glitch does?
Depending on the glitch depends on how it goes. If the glitch was to duplicate a pokemon, or an item like the masterball, then yes, it is still cheating. However, if a glitch occurs and you find yourself at a spot only accessible through a mystery gift event, that is fine, as you may have missed out on that event yourself.

What do you think of people who trade hacked Pokémon?
If you are sending them out, it all depends. If you have a hacked pokemon with 0IV points in all the spots, then it is alright, as they are easily defeated, and encourages the player to earn it themselves, or to breed it. If you trade them out with max IV's, then you should get your trainers license taken away.

What do you think of people who do not cheat themselves but will still accept hacked Pokémon from others knowing full well the Pokémon are hacked?
These people are still cheaters as they are taking hacked pokemon. I may not personally use a gameshark/actionreplay, however I could easily ask a friend to do it for me, and if I did, I would be equally as guilty.

What do you think of the people who use Pokémon created by things like Pokésav to battle others?
If its for a tournament, then they should be disqualified from the tournament, however if two people use Pokesav pokemon as a way of testing out the strengths of different ones, or to do a roulette style battle, then that would be alright as long as it is for hacked pokemon only.

What is your stance on cloned Pokémon?
When younger, I use to clone pokemon (mainly celebi) myself, and would trade it to those who never got to go to the event to receive it. It depends on what the person is doing with the cloned pokemon on whether or not it is bad. If they are helping those who missed out on an event, then sure, it is fine, but if they are doing it to get 6 perfect arceus, then that is obviously wrong.

Do you think that cloned Pokémon devalue certain types of Pokémon (shinies, event Pokémon, etc.)?
As said before, it is on the reason. While yes, it can make them less valuable, but if it was given out in a public event, then it wouldn't affect it as much. With shinies though, those should not be cloned.


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For me, as far as cheating in games in general goes: As long as what you're doing doesn't impact other players or result in the game creators losing money they would otherwise get if you weren't cheating, then I guess it's not a problem. Though, the way I see it, completing and playing a game is much more satisfying if you put real effort in. I don't see the point in buying a game and then not properly playing it. But it's for the player to decide how they play their game so, eh.


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Depends...

I myself do get very annoyed when it takes the fun out of the game, but i fixed that when i learned how to edit AR codes, so i turned "max money" into 500 cash, so i could buy whatever i needed, then set my money back down to a reasonable amount so battling getting money isnt a complete waste.
it actually sometimes adds a new element of fun to see what i can do if i screw with the code XD

But when it comes to pokemon games more specifically, then it really depends on the situation.
If you do something like max money/items/illegal max stat impossable move pokemon then it just takes the fun out of everything.
But stuff that you could normally do anyway, like getting a certain nature or a certain rare pokemon, then i dont see the problem.
The biggest problem i have with it is when people hack pokemon that wouldn't possably exist otherwise. Like a pikachu that has drizzle as it's ability. That's just wrong, and really messes up the game, especially when the other person they battle online has a completely legit team.


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post Aug 20 2013, 08:34 AM
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QUOTE(Wymsy @ Jun 17 2008, 05:39 PM) *
Yes, after the couple of threads made in the Ranting Zone about it, I want an actual debate about cheating in Pokémon games. Basically, we will be answering and arguing amongst these points:
  • Is cheating good or bad, or is it mixed depending on the situation?
  • Why do you think people cheat?
  • Does exploiting glitches count as cheating, or does it depend on what exactly the glitch does?
  • What do you think of people who trade hacked Pokémon?
  • What do you think of people who do not cheat themselves but will still accept hacked Pokémon from others knowing full well the Pokémon are hacked?
  • What do you think of the people who use Pokémon created by things like Pokésav to battle others?
  • What is your stance on cloned Pokémon?
  • Do you think that cloned Pokémon devalue certain types of Pokémon (shinies, event Pokémon, etc.)?
And now I'll answer all of them myself...

1. I believe that, depending on the situation, cheating can be either good or bad. There are people who scam others with hacks, yes, but not every cheater does that. Cheating for items or for event Pokémon (and other trivial things which don't affect anybody but the person cheating), is fine in my opinion. Hacking Pokémon and passing them off as real, or making illegal (impossible movesets, 999 stats, etc.) Pokémon and fighting people with them and not telling is bad. Basically, I only think cheating is bad if it negatively affects somebody else.

2. I think people cheat mostly for items, Pokésav made Pokémon and event Pokémon. There are, however, people who cheat for illegal Pokémon (again, impossible movesets, 999 stats, etc.) just because they don't feel like making a legal Pokémon on Pokésav or raising their own to beat the game and/or fight others.

3. I don't really think that exploiting a glitch counts as cheating. In some cases, the glitch in question is really just a completely moronic programming mistake. Things like being able to surf through the Elite 4 doors in early Japanese versions of D/P and Missingno. appearing on R/B are examples of that. For those who don't know, Missingno. appears because that infamous stretch of half-land half-water on Cinnabar (and at Seafoam) have no Pokémon set to appear there. When you talk to the old man and watch him catch the Weedle, the game stores your name in data slot for what wild Pokémon appear so that it may recall it later. The characters in your name correspond to certain Pokémon in the game, which is why you have high-leveled Pokémon appearing. The marker at the end of your name makes Missingno. appear. Basically, all of that could have been avoided had they actually made sure that they set something to appear on those spots at Cinnabar and Seafoam. Much like how they could have avoided people getting to Shaymin and Darkrai in early Japanese D/P games had they made sure that you couldn't surf through the Elite 4 doors. They are incredibly stupid and simple mistakes. Things like Pokémon cloning glitches, however, are a bit more complex and are more like real glitches than they are just silly mistakes.

4. I think that so long as the person trading the hacks tells people that they are hacked, then there is nothing wrong with what they're doing. It's your choice if you choose to accept the hack or not. However, people who scam other people with hacks are lying scum and give good cheaters a bad name.

5. If they don't mind the hacks, then don't lecture them. Let them use the Pokémon they want and trade with whomever they want. Odds are it doesn't affect you in the slightest.

6. I say, so what? If they're making legal Pokémon, why should it matter? Most of the people who do that are mostly only into the battling aspect of the games anyways. And some people don't have the time to breed for a perfect or near-perfect Pokémon but still want to be able to battle. Once again though, people who hack illegal Pokémon and fight people with them need to learn some real strategy and fight others like a real trainer.

7. Let them clone. They're exact copies of the originals. Some people only clone a little, whilst others do mass cloning. All in all, cloning is fine by me. However, I believe that trading somebody a clone when they say that they don't want one is wrong. It's like trading hacked Pokémon to a person who doesn't want one.

8. Probably on a small scale, it does devalue shiny Pokémon a bit. But for event Pokémon (only counting the ones you actually get from going to the event here, not from Pokésav or hacking the event item) there only ends up being a limited amount of them. Many people can't get to these events, and if they don't mind the clones, why lecture them?

Anyhow, go nuts everybody. I'll most likely reply to some posts made here.


I think "cheating" for event pokemon/ items is ok. I mean, those pokemon are free to get anyway and what if you don't have internet or wi-fi connection and want an event pokemon/ item. it's not fair on you if you can't get them because of some wifi problem. but using cheats to get impossible/ unbeatable pokemon is just stupid ( in my opinion)- it just ruins the point of the game. also, cloning master balls is ok to me. some pokemon are almost impossible to get without them. I say cheat/ hack if you want to, but don't try and pass off hacked pokemon as the real thing. it's unfair on the people who get them.


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Is cheating good or bad, or is it mixed depending on the situation?
Why do you think people cheat?
Does exploiting glitches count as cheating, or does it depend on what exactly the glitch does?
What do you think of people who trade hacked Pokémon?
What do you think of people who do not cheat themselves but will still accept hacked Pokémon from others knowing full well the Pokémon are hacked?
What do you think of the people who use Pokémon created by things like Pokésav to battle others?
What is your stance on cloned Pokémon?
Do you think that cloned Pokémon devalue certain types of Pokémon (shinies, event Pokémon, etc.)?

Well, I'm going to answer all of these.
1. Probably mixed; if you use cheats to get, say, a Level 100 Darkrai mid-way through the game because, "oh hurr cnt beat gardenia", it's bad. If you use cheats after the game to fill in the dex, it depends: Is it an event Pokemon? Is it from the other game in the pair, and if so, do you have a friend with that game who could trade it to you? Does the Pokemon have very small catch rates, and if so, do you not have enough of the currency to buy enough Poké Balls to catch it?
2. People cheat for, in my opinion, multiple diverse reasons, those being:
a) To gain immense power to do things such as pwn legit players,
b) To get something that would be very hard or impossible for them to get by other means and
c) To skip all the effort of having to do it themself.
3. Exploiting glitches should not count as cheating, unless it is very overpowered and it is repeated many times.
4. People who trade hacked Pokémon are probably trying to deflect pointed fingers away from them, attempting to cause blame to someone other than themself. In other words, they're pathetic weaklings who can't take a blame for anything.
5. People who don't cheat but accept hacked Pokemon from others even knowing that they are hacked are pathetic. If they do so, they are simply encouraging the cheating.
6. These people are complete cheaters. It is completely unfair to put illegal moves on Pokémon to battle others, because this puts everyone else at a disadvantage.
7. I'll just put it bluntly; cloned Pokemon are stupid, especially when it's of a shiny, event or legendary Pokemon.
8. Yes, they do; if a shiny Pokemon is cloned twenty times, that's twenty more Pokemon that have a 1/8192 chance of being found legitimately, and if an event Pokemon is cloned twenty times, that's twenty more that each game can only receive once per save.


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Is cheating good or bad, or is it mixed depending on the situation?


It really depends on the situation I think. People who use cheats in order to encounter pokemon needed for a Typelocke or a challenge is fine. I myself used an Encounter Code to do a special run of Black 2 that was actually quite fun. But people who cheat just to get past a certain challenge in the game without really trying it themselves are kinda lazy in my eyes. I didn't like fighting Cynthia on an "even" field, but that just makes beating her all the sweeter.

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Why do you think people cheat?


Well, I do it to get pokemon that I otherwise wouldn't be able to access myself. I PokeSav'd the Therian forms because I didn't have the money for the Dream Radar and they weren't tradable as Therians, and obviously made myself Shiny Arceus/Zekrom/Reshiram because those were shiny-locked.

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Does exploiting glitches count as cheating, or does it depend on what exactly the glitch does?


I don't think so because of the glitches so far, there is no way for it to "hurt" other people. It might hurt you because certain glitches can affect the game card, but none of the glitches that I know of can be used unfairly against other people.

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What do you think of people who trade hacked Pokémon?


Depends on the context. I have a friend who hacks pokemon to give as presents for birthdays and christmas and stuff, and the thought she puts into them is very thoughtful. But if the hacked pokemon is used to scam someone out of a good pokemon, that's not so nice. Though back in the days before the GTS allowed you to see more than 7 results for a search, I will admit I tried to make pokemon for the "impossible demands" just to try and teach those people a lesson, more on that later.

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What do you think of people who do not cheat themselves but will still accept hacked Pokémon from others knowing full well the Pokémon are hacked?


As long as they aren't using them to get an edge on the honest, hardworking players, doesn't matter to me.

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I think "creating" pokemon just to get a leg up over the people who put hours and hours of work and thought into their pokemon is a show of poor sportsmanship. It's a direct insult to those who are willing to put some time and effort into assembling the perfect team, myself included, and should not be allowed in an official setting.

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What is your stance on cloned Pokémon?


Pre-gen 6, cloning was loathed because it cluttered the GTS and made it almost unusable, to the point where I tried to fill the impossible demands just to get them to think twice about doing it.

Post Gen 6, I'm still not very fond of it because I have personal attachments to my pokemon. Each one of them has a life of their own in my mind, and cloning them just…makes them less special and disrupts the fantasy a bit. Not to mention it makes them less valuable overall and it discourages people to work for their own things. Why hunt for a Shiny Riolu when your buddy can just clone his Shiny Lucario and give you the clone? Why try to breed a perfect Infernape when you can just find someone who will clone theirs for you?

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Do you think that cloned Pokémon devalue certain types of Pokémon (shinies, event Pokémon, etc.)?


Absolutely. Like I said, there's no point in doing the hard work it takes to get these nice things when someone can just clone it and give it to you outright, which goes against the spirit of the game to me.

All in all, cheating isn't cheating unless you do something that gives you an advantage over someone else without doing any of the work involved. It's all good to have fun and play around, but if you want to get into the metagame, then try building your own team and don't rely on shortcuts, you'll enjoy winning a lot more if you do it by your own merit.


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post Dec 13 2017, 09:07 PM
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Is cheating good or bad, or is it mixed depending on the situation?
Bad, you are gaining an unfair advantage among others that invest time playing the game as intended.
Why do you think people cheat?
Because they want to get things done without investing time breeding and EV training. Or in the case of Pokémon GO, they are to lazy too walk or want to get Pokémon from places they'd need to travel long distances to get.
Does exploiting glitches count as cheating, or does it depend on what exactly the glitch does?
They are kinda like cheats, but because they are ingame events that do not involve any external program or device, I don't see them as cheating, but more like a amusing game mistake. Some glitches are fun to perform like the ones from Red, Blue and Yellow. But at the end of the day they are just a gimmick that does not affect others.
What do you think of people who trade hacked Pokémon?
They are polluting the pokéconomy!
What do you think of people who do not cheat themselves but will still accept hacked Pokémon from others knowing full well the Pokémon are hacked?
It's a little bit sad they don't care, but it's their decision to accept the Pokémon.
What do you think of the people who use Pokémon created by things like Pokésav to battle others?
Those are the worst kind of cheaters. I wish Game Freak did something to make Pokémon editing impossible.
What is your stance on cloned Pokémon?
The only cloned Pokémon I tolerate are event exclusive Pokémon. Other than that I don't like the idea of people cloning their shinies or legendaries for trading.
Do you think that cloned Pokémon devalue certain types of Pokémon (shinies, event Pokémon, etc.)?
It surely devalues them. I don't really care if Events get devalued but any other ingame Pokémon yes. I really don't feel anything special when receiving shiny Pokémon from others as I'm thinking it's likely to be hacked or cloned.


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