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Does Pornography exploit Women's bodies?, Please be mature in this
eagleblackbelt
post Mar 20 2009, 08:35 PM
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QUOTE(Nathan Graves @ Mar 20 2009, 09:31 PM) *
QUOTE(eagleblackbelt @ Mar 20 2009, 09:14 PM) *
but then if it is really good, then why do porn stars have such a high suicide rate. They can't be happy. I mean I wouldn't be knowing that some girl is masturbating to a picture of me naked, not that I do that, but still, I'm just walking in their shoes.
First off, whether or not it is good entirely depends on the one watching it.

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I'm pretty sure porn stars wouldn't get into the business ignorant of the fact that there are perverts watching them. To get into that and automatically assume people will just watch it for the plot or something to that extent is probably a pretty bad thought process eh? It's not like suicide is the pornography's fault, it's probably the porn star's fault for being depressed even though they chose their own life style in the first place. Not as if pornography has something to do with it, like the statistics attempt to apply -- there exists no proof to show that pornography automatically equals suicide.

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Also, I just find it to be immoral. I follow by the catechism, and I believe that porn is wrong and yes, I also believe that same-sex marriage is wrong, also.
You and I obviously differ in morals.


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post Mar 20 2009, 08:39 PM
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QUOTE(eagleblackbelt @ Mar 20 2009, 06:35 PM) *
Obviously. You should know about my opinion on the the same-sex stuff from my eagle scout symbol!

If it makes you feel better, I suspected something.

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Anyway, pornography isn't exploiting women or men. They chose to work in the industries themselves, and they are perfectly aware that thousands of people will end up seeing their naughty parts. Hardly exploitation if they chose it, if you ask me.


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post Mar 20 2009, 08:56 PM
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QUOTE(eagleblackbelt @ Mar 20 2009, 09:14 PM) *
I also believe that same-sex marriage is wrong, also. Yes, I saw what you crossed out.


Then you should take it to the two/three topics we've got going. We need more debates here.

TQQ hit it on the head. Pornography can be seen as an art form (some sites are dedicated to artistic nudity which involves no sexual acts whatsoever). Artists paint nude models. Is that wrong?
And I also agree that strip clubs are the ultimate way to exploit people...showing themselves off while drunk idiots throw wads of cash is not cool, man, not cool.


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post Mar 20 2009, 10:18 PM
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QUOTE(Iulius Caesar @ Mar 20 2009, 09:56 PM) *
TQQ hit it on the head. Pornography can be seen as an art form (some sites are dedicated to artistic nudity which involves no sexual acts whatsoever). Artists paint nude models. Is that wrong?
And I also agree that strip clubs are the ultimate way to exploit people...showing themselves off while drunk idiots throw wads of cash is not cool, man, not cool.



heheh.

doesn't mean i am against it.


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Hard to exploit someone when they're the ones lining up to do it. Can you rape the willing?

As for whether pornography is wrong; why do we still see nakedness as a sin? A body is a body is a body.

I'm not a big fan of the bible or anything but doesn't it say God was angry with Adam and Eve for becoming aware and self-conscious and hiding their privates at some point? Probably got that wrong or out of context.


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post Mar 20 2009, 10:53 PM
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I think it's more the sex and masturbatory potential than the nudity.


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QUOTE(Nathan Graves @ Mar 20 2009, 11:53 PM) *
I think it's more the sex and masturbatory potential than the nudity.

Meh, makes no difference. People can and will masturbate to anything that turns them on. From fully clothed people to the thought of people naked to whatever crazy fetish they might have. Sex is a natural thing too so can't really act like that's a sin.. oh but then there's those people that say it's a sin if you have sex before you're married. Oh well, too much discussion there that's not really on topic here.


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QUOTE(Nathan Graves @ Mar 20 2009, 11:53 PM) *
I think it's more the sex and masturbatory potential than the nudity.

if taken literally, this topic was about pornography itself, not what people do with it, so what you said sums up what this topic should have been talked about.

good job.

QUOTE(Zerxer @ Mar 21 2009, 12:01 AM) *
Meh, makes no difference. People can and will masturbate to anything that turns them on. From fully clothed people to the thought of people naked to whatever crazy fetish they might have. Sex is a natural thing too so can't really act like that's a sin.. oh but then there's those people that say it's a sin if you have sex before you're married. Oh well, too much discussion there that's not really on topic here.



in this land of internet, fetishes, and sex, you could slap some tits on a mango and somebody, somewhere, is fapping to it.


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post Apr 9 2009, 06:57 PM
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I agree with you tyran people know better when they go into that type of work, it only becomes a problem when women who do that are as skinny as a toothpick so everyone pressures other women to look like a tooth pick or they're not beautiful.


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Is there even a QUESTION? Of course it does. No one really seems to care, though, because they're consenting adults and they can do what they want. If you want to make yourself look like a complete tramp on the internet, more power to you.
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I do not think pornography exploits the female body.

Though, it all depends on your perspective.

Sex is a natural and normal experience. These people choose to showcase it. Pornography isn't meant to target the female body specifically and purposefully make ALL women feel bad or something. These women are choosing to display their bodies. True, many pornography films focus on the woman's body, but in my opinion there are two reasons for that:

1) The female body is beautiful. Even as a female myself, I can admit that. It's just better to look at than a hairy man. (No offense, boys.)

2) Though pornography is something both genders can enjoy, the target audience is MALES. This is a business, and that business is going to stimulate who ever is going to make them the most money. And most males want to see women.


This is their career of choice. They want to be seen, which is why they do it. It's not your body, so don't feel offended.

And if you don't like it, then well... Don't watch it. Duh.


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Hey, I'm just going off the Catholic church's teaching on this topic. I believe that it is a disgusting thing that violates the sixth commandment.

The worst part about porn is the level people take it to. I mean, look at all the amount of this stuff on the net. Plus, people take it to the aspect of child porn, and that is completely DISGUSTING AND WRONG!


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Child porn is definitely wrong, but we're not all Catholics here.


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It's not really exploting if you were the one signing up for it. :/
If you want to show you naked body in a sexy fashion, that's your profession.

Viewing porn doesn't exactly make you an idiot,
But if you take it as:
"I'M UGLY. LOOK AT THIS WOMAN GETTING DOWN AND DIRTY FOR MONEY. SHE'S BEAUTIFUL!!!1" *Cuts self*

or

"LOL PORN. OH NOES- VIRIS! OH NOES MY HARD DRIVE! OH NOES!!!1"

Or even,

"THIS WOMAN NEEDS HER RIGHTS! DOWN TO WANTED NUDITY!"

Then you're obviously looking at porn rather than it should be looked as,
as a way to please sexual urges.

Or, as for the second one, you're being screwed while you watch people screwing. So, you're screwed.

As for child porn,
let me ready my finger so I may vomit, thanks.

Child porn is basically, ripping the innocence of children for some, sick, perverted thrill to a pedophile.

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QUOTE(eagleblackbelt @ Mar 20 2009, 09:14 PM) *
As for my explanation, true, it may give women and men jobs from around the world jobs, but then if it is really good, then why do porn stars have such a high suicide rate. They can't be happy.


A lot of depression stems from the pressure of ideals pushed upon people by society day in and day out. Take, for example, the high suicide rate amongst teenagers and gay people. Many teenagers are highly pressured not only to excel in school, but to have a highly social life, and to be prepared to face the real world. While those aren't bad things in and of themselves, the pressure placed upon teenagers by their parents, peers, and society can take a huge toll on one's psyche, breaking them down until they no longer are willing to live through it. And for gay people, society tells them that they are abominations who do not deserve to be citizens or to even live, and many are -killed- because of their sexuality. For some, suicide seems to be the only viable option.

While I haven't looked into the supposed high suicide rate for actors in pornography, I can tell you there's probably a similar cause. In such a highly religious nation as the U.S., where sexuality and its expression is such a bi-polar subject (in media it is both casually paraded yet condemned and made taboo), it is no wonder there would be an increased suicide rate amongst sex actors. They are pressured to have the "ideal" appearance society has in mind, and yet condemned by that very society for doing their job.



In its ideal state, pornography would not be at all exploitative. The actors would participate in it of their own choice, their product would be sold, they'd get cash, the customer would get their poon, and everyone would be happy. But the reality is far from that, I think. Many really don't have any other options; they are poor and need the cash, many are drug addicts that have trouble quitting, many don't have a high enough education or can't find another job, etc etc etc. In these cases, it is exploitative.


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I'm going to repeat what most people are saying. If the women choose it, that's their choice. It's a career path, and if anyone has any common sense at all, they'll know what they're getting into before they get into it.


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Just because it's technically voluntary doesn't mean it's not exploitation and objectification. Things like pornography, beauty pageants, and the general way the female body is portrayed in the media causes us to automatically objectify the bodies of all women. I'm no exception, but I'm not really proud of it. I've seen so many beautiful bodies on the internet, movies and TV that the ones I'm lucky enough to see in real life just can't stand up, and I (along with a good portion of other men) inadvertently start to judge women before we even meet them based on what they look like.

I still watch it though, 'cause that's how I roll. In hypocrisy.


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QUOTE(SR Meganium Forme @ Mar 21 2009, 02:23 AM) *
QUOTE(eagleblackbelt @ Mar 20 2009, 09:14 PM) *
I also believe that same-sex marriage is wrong, also. Yes, I saw what you crossed out.

Might be wrong, but it sure as hell is awesome.

ditto

but seriously eagleblackbelt why is it wrong apart from it is not right in your eyes???......

I think unless your being forced there is no exploitation

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all the ignorance in this thread is shocking. i keep seeing the word 'choice' as the defining factor as to whether porn in exploitation- when you see a homeless person, do you tell yourselves "it's this man's choice to be homeless" to feel better about yourselves? especially when they're just starting out in pornography, or stripping, or any other such degrading sport, these women are not doing so because they CHOOSE to. they are doing so because THEY HAVE NO OTHER CHOICE. they need money for school, for rent, for drugs, to just actually live. they usually have no education, they are not qualified for a job of skill, so they do what they have to. and while it's true that some become successful at it and start making more money than the average person and claim to enjoy it (not to say that, at least in some way, they don't actually enjoy exploiting themselves when the money's right), the vast majority hate it. the entire industry is so messed up and ladden with illegal and inhumane stuff.

i work next to a strip club. i've worked with strippers before (not stripping >:O). i've read memoirs of their that have made me cry. it is a terrible, godawful thing, for anyone to think that these girls would CHOOSE this life, had they other options, is so terribly wrong.


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