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Cheating in Pokémon Games
Commander Wymsy
post Jun 17 2008, 11:39 AM
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Yes, after the couple of threads made in the Ranting Zone about it, I want an actual debate about cheating in Pokémon games. Basically, we will be answering and arguing amongst these points:
  • Is cheating good or bad, or is it mixed depending on the situation?
  • Why do you think people cheat?
  • Does exploiting glitches count as cheating, or does it depend on what exactly the glitch does?
  • What do you think of people who trade hacked Pokémon?
  • What do you think of people who do not cheat themselves but will still accept hacked Pokémon from others knowing full well the Pokémon are hacked?
  • What do you think of the people who use Pokémon created by things like Pokésav to battle others?
  • What is your stance on cloned Pokémon?
  • Do you think that cloned Pokémon devalue certain types of Pokémon (shinies, event Pokémon, etc.)?

And now I'll answer all of them myself...

1. I believe that, depending on the situation, cheating can be either good or bad. There are people who scam others with hacks, yes, but not every cheater does that. Cheating for items or for event Pokémon (and other trivial things which don't affect anybody but the person cheating), is fine in my opinion. Hacking Pokémon and passing them off as real, or making illegal (impossible movesets, 999 stats, etc.) Pokémon and fighting people with them and not telling is bad. Basically, I only think cheating is bad if it negatively affects somebody else.

2. I think people cheat mostly for items, Pokésav made Pokémon and event Pokémon. There are, however, people who cheat for illegal Pokémon (again, impossible movesets, 999 stats, etc.) just because they don't feel like making a legal Pokémon on Pokésav or raising their own to beat the game and/or fight others.

3. I don't really think that exploiting a glitch counts as cheating. In some cases, the glitch in question is really just a completely moronic programming mistake. Things like being able to surf through the Elite 4 doors in early Japanese versions of D/P and Missingno. appearing on R/B are examples of that. For those who don't know, Missingno. appears because that infamous stretch of half-land half-water on Cinnabar (and at Seafoam) have no Pokémon set to appear there. When you talk to the old man and watch him catch the Weedle, the game stores your name in data slot for what wild Pokémon appear so that it may recall it later. The characters in your name correspond to certain Pokémon in the game, which is why you have high-leveled Pokémon appearing. The marker at the end of your name makes Missingno. appear. Basically, all of that could have been avoided had they actually made sure that they set something to appear on those spots at Cinnabar and Seafoam. Much like how they could have avoided people getting to Shaymin and Darkrai in early Japanese D/P games had they made sure that you couldn't surf through the Elite 4 doors. They are incredibly stupid and simple mistakes. Things like Pokémon cloning glitches, however, are a bit more complex and are more like real glitches than they are just silly mistakes.

4. I think that so long as the person trading the hacks tells people that they are hacked, then there is nothing wrong with what they're doing. It's your choice if you choose to accept the hack or not. However, people who scam other people with hacks are lying scum and give good cheaters a bad name.

5. If they don't mind the hacks, then don't lecture them. Let them use the Pokémon they want and trade with whomever they want. Odds are it doesn't affect you in the slightest.

6. I say, so what? If they're making legal Pokémon, why should it matter? Most of the people who do that are mostly only into the battling aspect of the games anyways. And some people don't have the time to breed for a perfect or near-perfect Pokémon but still want to be able to battle. Once again though, people who hack illegal Pokémon and fight people with them need to learn some real strategy and fight others like a real trainer.

7. Let them clone. They're exact copies of the originals. Some people only clone a little, whilst others do mass cloning. All in all, cloning is fine by me. However, I believe that trading somebody a clone when they say that they don't want one is wrong. It's like trading hacked Pokémon to a person who doesn't want one.

8. Probably on a small scale, it does devalue shiny Pokémon a bit. But for event Pokémon (only counting the ones you actually get from going to the event here, not from Pokésav or hacking the event item) there only ends up being a limited amount of them. Many people can't get to these events, and if they don't mind the clones, why lecture them?

Anyhow, go nuts everybody. I'll most likely reply to some posts made here.


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Wymsy   Cheating in Pokémon Games   Jun 17 2008, 11:39 AM
crissy66   QUOTE(Wymsy @ Jun 17 2008, 11:39 AM) Yes,...   Jun 17 2008, 12:55 PM
Darck   Alright my take on cheating. I agree on number 1...   Jun 17 2008, 01:05 PM
crissy66   QUOTE(Darck @ Jun 17 2008, 01:05 PM) Alri...   Jun 17 2008, 01:20 PM
TCoZ   1) Mixed. There are a lot of games where if not fo...   Jun 17 2008, 01:19 PM
Rhonut   Ok, here goes: 1. Is cheating good or bad, or is ...   Jun 17 2008, 03:15 PM
Leki   Neh.... Lessee, my opion as follows: Cheating is ...   Jun 17 2008, 03:43 PM
Swordsalmon   Is cheating good or bad, or is it mixed depending ...   Jun 18 2008, 08:12 PM
Metalseadramon   1. Its not the best option but its helpfull, espec...   Aug 7 2008, 01:59 PM
serviper2008   it depends on what sort of cheating you do, i mean...   Aug 7 2008, 02:40 PM
viktoriya143   QUOTE(serviper2008 @ Aug 7 2008, 08:40 PM...   Aug 7 2008, 04:10 PM
Metalseadramon   QUOTE(serviper2008 @ Aug 7 2008, 08:40 PM...   Aug 7 2008, 04:31 PM
methuselahalchemist   OMG Ulqui Prime, I love you~!! >w...   Oct 2 2009, 12:20 PM
pokepurist   I think any kind of cheating is just moronic becau...   Aug 21 2008, 04:19 PM
Wymsy   QUOTE(pokepurist @ Aug 21 2008, 02:19 PM)...   Aug 22 2008, 03:39 PM
Blax8192   It increases replay value of some games. Think. Ho...   Aug 21 2008, 06:26 PM
Tiamat   QUOTE1. Is cheating good or bad, or is it mixed de...   Aug 22 2008, 04:17 AM
DethSlayr   Im against hacking, and using things like Action R...   Aug 22 2008, 07:56 AM
Flamer   Personally, I don't cheat becuase I feel it ta...   Aug 27 2008, 07:41 AM
dragon champ   QUOTE(Flamer @ Aug 27 2008, 01:41 PM) Per...   Aug 27 2008, 08:32 AM
Wolverinea60   1. Mixed, for sure. Cheating is... cheating. If a ...   Aug 30 2008, 01:29 PM
Laire   <a href="http://www.pokeheroes.com/pokemon...   Oct 12 2013, 04:33 AM
Stealth Rock   Is cheating good or bad, or is it mixed depending ...   Nov 9 2008, 06:00 PM
Pokemaniac John   QUOTEBasically, we will be answering and arguing a...   Jan 1 2009, 06:40 PM
johnrichard1991   Is cheating good or bad, or is it mixed depending ...   Jan 2 2009, 06:36 AM
Piogre the Mighty   * Is cheating good or bad, or is it mixed dependin...   Jan 2 2009, 02:50 PM
Nana   I rarely cheat with a cheating device myself, asid...   Feb 19 2009, 10:17 PM
Jirachi Trainer   I think the point here is: If no-one has the chanc...   Feb 28 2009, 11:53 AM
eevee master   cheating is just plain wrong   Feb 28 2009, 12:35 PM
Rezerai   Is cheating good or bad, or is it mixed depending ...   Feb 28 2009, 01:15 PM
Typhlosion   People can say what they wish. There is absolutely...   Feb 28 2009, 01:23 PM
Commander Happy   Is cheating good or bad, or is it mixed depending ...   Feb 28 2009, 02:28 PM
SR Meganium Forme   Eh... I have quite the situation. I've grown t...   Mar 2 2009, 08:43 PM
Dar Ksereth   1.Is cheating good or bad, or is it mixed dependin...   Mar 28 2009, 08:43 PM
CharrMistKanako   Is cheating good or bad, or is it mixed depending ...   Apr 2 2009, 01:29 PM
Blak99Psy   Is cheating good or bad, or is it mixed depending ...   Apr 2 2009, 02:17 PM
Quagsire   The only hacking I've done is an encounter mod...   Apr 8 2009, 11:46 PM
Fuzzball   I would like to personally say that I do cheat. Ho...   Apr 11 2009, 01:17 AM
Tsum   To avoid mimicking, or letting someone else's ...   Apr 11 2009, 08:00 PM
ThePaul   But I luv my Flying Snorlax. All you people that o...   Apr 18 2009, 12:04 PM
DragonSpear   Is cheating good or bad, or is it mixed depending ...   Apr 19 2009, 02:19 AM
Hikarii   Why do you think people cheat? - People cheat just...   Apr 23 2009, 12:36 AM
MiltankTipper   * Is cheating good or bad, or is it mixed dependin...   May 3 2009, 01:04 AM
Mist Wanderer   QUOTE* Is cheating good or bad, or is it mixed dep...   May 9 2009, 05:08 AM
Kashizzle   * Is cheating good or bad, or is it mixed dependin...   May 23 2009, 07:04 AM
The Silver Falcon   I don't have a problem with hacking in general...   Jun 19 2009, 06:59 PM
Whatura   QUOTE(Wymsy @ Jun 17 2008, 12:39 PM) Yes,...   Jun 21 2009, 08:06 PM
iRyu   QUOTE(Wymsy @ Jun 17 2008, 11:39 AM) Is c...   Jun 21 2009, 08:23 PM
The Risin Salamance   The latest thing I've seen about hacking is AL...   Jun 22 2009, 12:52 PM
nokrow   well i am only commenting on my stance with pokesa...   Sep 7 2009, 05:26 AM
Ryushu the Mobian Cat   I do cheat, but I don't make my Pokemon's ...   Sep 21 2009, 04:02 PM
HeartSilver   i only use pokesav to make my own events or roamin...   Sep 24 2009, 08:41 AM
TheIgDemon   1) Is cheating good or bad, or is it mixed dependi...   Sep 24 2009, 09:54 PM
suzyk   Is cheating good or bad, or is it mixed depending ...   Oct 2 2009, 06:31 PM
m e s p r i t   QUOTEIs cheating good or bad, or is it mixed depen...   Oct 4 2009, 01:20 PM
system of a down   I hack on diamond using Action replay DS and Pokes...   Oct 26 2009, 05:30 PM
RheaDark   * Is cheating good or bad, or is it mixed dependin...   Oct 29 2009, 10:00 PM
Jewelwriter   QUOTE(Wymsy @ Jun 17 2008, 12:39 PM) Is c...   Oct 31 2009, 07:11 PM
NorthKorea   I've only cheated to get a certain Pokemon tha...   Nov 2 2009, 08:47 PM
Neko Wolf San   QUOTE•Is cheating good or bad, or is it mixed depe...   Nov 4 2009, 08:00 PM
Shiro Kurosaki   QUOTE(Wymsy @ Jun 17 2008, 11:39 AM) Is c...   Nov 5 2009, 07:24 PM
Chu Chu   * Is cheating good or bad, or is it mixed dependin...   Feb 28 2010, 09:48 PM
Lord Cybertron   * Is cheating good or bad, or is it mixed dependin...   Mar 1 2010, 08:22 PM
ultimateaggron   cheating is bad and for lazy people and evil ...   Jun 9 2010, 02:36 PM
Niandra   Ok, so I'm a partial hacker. I hack to make po...   Mar 3 2011, 05:07 PM
BarkAtTheMoon   I hack, so, I can't say its completely wrong. ...   Mar 4 2011, 03:23 PM
Krisp   I find nothing wrong with "Cheating" mys...   Mar 4 2011, 04:02 PM
Nightmare Vocaloid   Cheating is only good when you've completed th...   Mar 4 2011, 09:11 PM
lorks   the only time i would personally cheat is to get a...   Aug 21 2012, 07:17 AM
Tehpikachu   Whenever I start a Pokemon game (4th gen and on), ...   Aug 26 2012, 11:13 PM
Quomimi   I like to cheat when I've already beaten the g...   Aug 26 2012, 11:17 PM
PheonixGRX   Is cheating good or bad, or is it mixed depending ...   Mar 11 2013, 09:15 AM
Yuno Gasai   For me, as far as cheating in games in general goe...   Mar 11 2013, 10:20 AM
Zer0hundred   Depends... I myself do get very annoyed when it t...   Jul 25 2013, 10:29 PM
Firewolf22   QUOTE(Wymsy @ Jun 17 2008, 05:39 PM) Yes,...   Aug 20 2013, 08:34 AM
MasteroftheFlames   QUOTEIs cheating good or bad, or is it mixed depen...   Jun 24 2014, 09:20 PM
Catilena1890   QUOTEIs cheating good or bad, or is it mixed depen...   May 1 2015, 05:12 PM
Kirbu   Is cheating good or bad, or is it mixed depending ...   Dec 13 2017, 09:07 PM



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