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General clauses and ban list for 5th gen battling, LAST UPDATED: May 2011
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post Aug 12 2010, 11:24 PM
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The point of this new thread is to just list common clauses you might want to use and to record the current uber tier list. This thread will be keeping up with the 5th generation of Pokémon. This is for general OU Wi-Fi battling, not including Dream World abilities.

Clauses:
    [*]Sleep Clause: You may not put two of your opponent's Pokemon to sleep at the same time.
  • Evasion Clause: No moves that increase evasion or decrease accuracy may be used. Such moves include Double Team, Sand-Attack, Minimize, etc.
  • Species Clause: You may not have two of the same Pokemon on one team. Different forms still count as the same species.
  • OHKO Clause: OHKO moves, such as Horn Drill or Sheer Cold, are not allowed.
  • Uber Clause: No Pokémon on the ban list are allowed. Keep in mind that not all legendaries are banned and not all banned Pokémon have to be legendaries.
  • Item Clause: You may not have two of the same item attached to any members of your team.
  • Explosion Clause: The moves Selfdestruct, Explosion, Perish Song, Destiny Bond, or any other such move may not be used if both players only have 1 remaining Pokemon. If a player uses one of those moves under this condition, they automatically lose.
That should cover all the common clauses. Next, the ban list. This list is up-to-date as of 4 May 2011.

Banned Pokémon:
  • Mewtwo
  • Ho-oh
  • Lugia
  • Kyogre
  • Groudon
  • Rayquaza
  • Deoxys [Attack]
  • Dialga
  • Palkia
  • Giratina [Altered]
  • Giratina [Origin]
  • Manaphy
  • Shaymin [Sky]
  • Darkrai
  • Arceus
  • Chandelure*
  • Reshiram
  • Zekrom
*Dream World tier only

Banned Abilities:
  • All unreleased Dream World abilities
  • Moody
  • Drizzle and Swift Swim are both valid, but you may only have one or the other, not both
Banned Items:
  • Soul Dew
  • Brightpowder
  • Lax Incense


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post Aug 16 2010, 12:30 PM
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I'm just saying, but Pokii uses two Salamence, ad I've heard we don't exactly follow the rules, so for the GTS+, is Salamence on Ubers list for us or not?



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post Aug 16 2010, 12:32 PM
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We are following the Smogon list right?

Also, double battles follow a different set of rules, and stuff like Salamence or Garchomp are easily taken care of in double battles. So are there any clauses that we can set for the double battlers like myself?

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post Aug 16 2010, 12:33 PM
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That's what I am wondering. But hold on...
QUOTE(Pokii @ Jul 17 2010, 03:59 PM) *
Once again, Smogon's just trying to mess with me. And this time, I really take offense.

To anyone who doesn't know what I'm talking about, Salamence has apparently been moved to Uber.

Smogon really does seem like they're out to get me. I already lost one team member with Garchomp going to Uber (which it kinda had coming anyway), but then they graciously gave me Latias to work with, just to put it right back up there, and now this. Garchomp's obviously gone, and Latios we've allowed to stay (I haven't even used it yet...), but Salamence? I use two of them as it is, simply because I already don't have enough Dragons to use. Without Salamence, even if I use that shitty Altaria, I still won't have enough Pokémon at my disposal (until possibly fifth gen) to even make up half a team.

My personal problems aside, I think this is just one of those things Smogon does where they try moving something to a new tier to experiment with how it goes (which almost always results with them putting it back where it was before). In addition, the way they're using it now is just some sort of extension to Rayquaza; they got rid of all other Salemence movesets, which is a damn shame. I can't see this change lasting very long at all, personally.

But yeah, just throwing that out there. I know we don't stick exactly to Smogon's tier system, and this is one of those instances where I agree with that whole-heartedly. Sure, Salamence is a good Pokémon, but it's not THAT good. And actually, moving it to Uber just to be, as they put it, "Rayquaza's Dance Partner" is just an insult to such a cool Pokémon in the first place.

That's what I think, anyway.

http://forums.gtsplus.net/index.php?showto...p;#entry1166190 Link
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QUOTE(ChroniclerC @ Aug 6 2010, 07:44 PM) *
So, apparently the League's official stance of Salamence somehow isn't clear despite the fact that ever single person who's commented in here thinks that the move is a moronic move. Extremely disappointing. So, in order to get people to stop bugging me about it, here is a big fat official announcement for you illiterate people. (I recommend fleeing after the announcement, because a certain Owl will probably be coming for you.)

Salamence will not be moving to Uber in the GTS+ League.
I would also like to take this opportunity to ridicule whoever's in charge of the Smogon rankings. This part is less of an official thing, although the thread makes me inclined to think that it might as well be.




Shouldn't this be pinned?

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post Aug 16 2010, 07:14 PM
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This is just a reference list. You are not required to follow Smogon's tier list, and this site does not.


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post Aug 16 2010, 07:28 PM
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So in other words, this is just to inform the people here who are to lazy to check out updates on Smogon's website?
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post Aug 26 2010, 08:42 PM
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It has clauses too. So no.


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I've updated this list, according to a certain unnamed source.


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post Oct 31 2011, 02:21 AM
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since gts+ doesn't follow smogon's tiers, does that mean that Excadrill and Blaziken are not uber?
i personally find it ridiculous, excadrill's defense sucks and blaziken is an overrated sweeper.


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Wait? Why do we all talk about GPX+? Isn't this a rule board for battling Diamond/Pearl/Platinum and HG/SS and PBR and Black/White??


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