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Animal Cruelty, And other morally questionable actions in Pokemon
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post Jul 20 2009, 06:08 PM
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dude the difference is that the pokemon has a choice like they can run away or something dog are trained to kill sometimes and stuff
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post Jul 21 2009, 03:14 AM
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post Jul 26 2009, 10:12 AM
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once you think about it it is like cock fighting
you pit 2 pokemon against each other
until one "faints" (euphamism for death)
and when you catch pokemon you hurt them
when a pokeball is shaking it is because the pokemon is struggling to get out
but all in all pokemon cant kill people
ash team rocket and dawn would all be dead by electric shocks by now then
so it is not exactly like animal cruelty
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post Jul 26 2009, 11:32 AM
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QUOTE(ScHiZoPhReNiC @ Jul 26 2009, 05:12 PM) *
once you think about it it is like cock fighting
you pit 2 pokemon against each other
until one "faints" (euphamism for death)
and when you catch pokemon you hurt them
when a pokeball is shaking it is because the pokemon is struggling to get out
but all in all pokemon cant kill people
ash team rocket and dawn would all be dead by electric shocks by now then
so it is not exactly like animal cruelty

In Special both Pokčmon and trainers end up badly injured and bleeding from time to time... I'm pretty sure they could kill to if they wanted too (even though Red got frozen in a block of ice and survived...but hey, cartoon/comic characters are like that)


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post Jul 26 2009, 12:35 PM
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post Jul 26 2009, 08:49 PM
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Now that I think about it, Pokemon is alot more complex then anyone really thinks about confused.gif


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post Jul 26 2009, 09:17 PM
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I did think about that yes...

However, there are a few things about Pokemon Battles that separate them from real life animal fighting.

One, they aren't forced. A Pokemon will only listen to a trainer it respects. (In the games this is demonstrated through badges, though in other media it's a bit more complex than that).

Next, Pokemon are much stronger and resilient than real life animals. They can die, as demonstrated repeatedly in the games through places like Pokemon Tower and Ghost Pokemon, but they rarely do so as a result of battling. All it takes is a trip to a Pokemon Center and they're patched up as good as new.

In real life, animals don't choose to fight. They're frequently starved prior to fighting, and are forced to fight by their owners. They can't choose not to fight. And if they're injured? A Vet doesn't have a magic healing machine.

For an in game example, look at the Gamecube games:
A Shadow Pokemon is a Pokemon stripped of it's free will, and forced to fight. A normal Pokemon has a free will, and chooses to fight. That distinction is why Cipher is considered evil, while Wes and Michael are both considered good guys.


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post Jul 28 2009, 08:17 AM
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I've already thought about the Pokeball thing... but there's a nice video on Youtube that made it seem better. I like to think that each Pokemon has a specialized Pokeball... The Pokemon magically shrinks so the Pokeball is the size of a castle to them, and the Pokemon has whatever they need there... I also sometimes think that maybe being in Pokeballs is like being in a little town, like maybe the Pokemon would have a gym and a theater and a park and a pool and they would all live together, and only be called out for battling. At least, that's what I think to make myself feel better when I catch a Pokemon.

But you're right, some of this does relate to animal cruelty. The Teams especially. Stealing Pokemon is as bad as stealing a house cat (or bunny), and I actually cried the first time I went into Team Galactic's labs and read the description of the Lake Trio's suffering... It's just not right.


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post Jul 28 2009, 03:47 PM
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I've often thought of these questions. I have another question to pose while I'm at it. Have you ever seen any of the pokemon episodes with the pokemon poachers? They always try to stop poachers from taking pokemon to sell, but how is that any different from going out and catching a certain breed of pokemon because you want to trade it for someone elses pokemon? The Pokemon shows seem to promote the idea that you should only catch pokemon you have emotionally bonded with before you caught them. Also how is that right if you find a breed of pokemon you really want and you have to catch it fast or it will run away and you've had no time to "bond" with it? is it all right to catch a pokemon first and then bond with it? Ash always seems to have a bonding experience with a wild pokemon before he catches it and he seems to disagree with catching pokemon you aren't friends with. That question is kinda similar to the one with why the bad guys can't catch any pokemon they want like the good guys. For all of you calling the game just "pixels" by the way, their is a double meaning behind everything in the world, a fact you can choose to ignore or not. If we want to discuss the philosphy of pokemon we should be allowed to, and if you don't want to, that's fine just ignore our conversation.


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post Jul 28 2009, 09:32 PM
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QUOTE(DragonSpear @ May 12 2009, 11:40 PM) *
I think pokemon introduces the idea of animal enslavement. In one of the anime episodes, do you really think that a rapidash would let ash on his/her back? That's like horse back riding, you whip or spur the poor animal until it gets traumatised to let you ride on its back.


Riding is not like that, at all. =^=
Only bad, untalented and cruel horsemen would actually use violence to break a horse. Most of the time, "breaking," which is a term used for getting a horse to take a bridle and saddle, is built around trust between the horse and trainer. A horse has a very good memory, and they would never willingly let someone they did not trust on their back. Many horses form deep, lifelong bonds with their trainers, riders, or other humans they come into contact with. ^w^ I have never used spurs in riding, and the pressure with the heel of a boot (or a light kick if necessary) is the same as someone pushing their child gently to get them to walk faster. There is nothing "enslaved" or cruel about it, unless the riders themselves are cruel.

About Pokemon, I always thought that the Pokeballs must be comfortable, otherwise trainers wouldn't keep their Pokemon in them. I guess the thing with Team Rocket not being able to catch wild Pokemon sort of makes sense, because they are most likely going to use them for bad things, unlike Ash, who just wants to be friends with them and battle with them. But there isn't much of a distinction... >.>


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post Aug 7 2009, 04:32 AM
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Hmm, it makes you think. I mean, if the Pokeballs were unlike what I've always thought when I was younger, full of room, you'd think the Pokemon would rebel.

But that's maybe a reason Pikachu hates his/her(since it has never really been specified) Pokeball, and Wobbufet always pops out of his/her Pokeball, not just to annoy us.

Yeah, I think I just confused myself. walloftext.gif


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post Sep 7 2009, 02:59 PM
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As beforementioned, I think free will plays a lot into it; Pokemon LIKE to fight, even though they get hurt (kind of masochistic, but that's the way all of them are, so...?). Also, I don't think morality is questioned in their world, because the trainers have never had dogfighting, etc. to compare it to; that's just the way things work for them. IIRC, some people DON'T battle the Pokemon -- like that lady with Bulbasaur -- and he wanted to fight, in the end.

As for Pokeballs -- don't the Pokemon transform into like, some form of pure energy or something before they go in, and then materialize again when they come back out? I'm doubt it'd be too cramped then, though I can't speak for entertainment...xP


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post Oct 5 2009, 07:01 PM
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On the topic of pokeballs i do remember reading some were that each pokeball has its own habitat inside. Depending on what pokeball it is.


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post Oct 10 2009, 07:16 PM
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Well I do think that it is KIND OF animal cruelety (cantspell it!) but I dont consider it like dogfighting, cuzlike, dogfightings kindof to the death, and in pokrmon, nopokemon haz eva DIED, so yeah...



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post Oct 11 2009, 11:51 AM
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Pokemon cannot die. They can faint, yes, but they never die.

Pokemon are your inner demons. You battle them to overcome them, and catch them in capsules so you have control over them.

Pokemon like battling. It's like a game to them. They can get hurt, but they can always be healed afterwards.


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post Oct 11 2009, 12:09 PM
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sorry that this may sound rude, but this topic is pointless. if pokemon was real, then this question would actually have a meaning.
pokemon is created how pokemon is created. your just twisting the words around. its not like Ash in the anime doesnt say "Pikachu, were gonna be friends forever" for no reason. >_>
and pokemon is a fantasy to begin with. you cant set-up a reality debate on a fantasy subject. :/

- pokeballs were made to be comfortable. if they werent, then why would the pokemon still be with the trainer?
- in the anime, battling with pokemon is classified as a sport, and for most pokemon to evolve, they need battling experience anyways.
- pokemon learning new moves from battling is NOT like teaching an animal a new trick. example - my dog learns how to fetch. this comes in handy by giving my dog some play time and a bit of excersise. my Blastoise learns Hydro Pump. this comes in handy by putting out fires. see the diffrence?

and, as Azure Butterfly just generally classified above, pokemon cant die, because -
1) they can only faint. showing the death of a pokemon would probably be a bit too much for the anime/games.
2) violence is related to death, and they both need each other. so, if the showing of death is kept away, so is violence.

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post Oct 11 2009, 12:26 PM
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Lol wow finnaly somone notices what i notice but with the pokemon but on the note of fitting in the pokemon ball if you watch they turin into a red light so my take is they are not physically in it but just kind of like a fog in a ball but i saw a robot chicken episode(i hate that show but there was nuthin else on)but in it pikachu turns super micro sized and then he has like a whole house in it so nobody really knows so i guess you can just think whatever you feel like it


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I've thought about that before, and it does seem like in real life, some of these elements could be rather cruel. For me, I probably wouldn't want to have more than like two or three Pokemon, so that they could stay outside of their pokeballs more often with me. I always liked to imagine that inside the pokeball was a very tiny little world that accommodated the Pokemon's basic needs. Have you ever noticed how in the show, the characters barely ever have -all- their Pokemon out regularly to feed them? Maybe inside their pokeball world, they have at least some food, like berries or something, growing around.

Either way, if Pokemon were real I highly doubt I'd let my Pokemon battle. It would just be too dangerous and rather than "fainting," Pokemon would likely sustain life threatening injuries or even die. Think about a poor Pokemon like Bellsprout being consumed by a Flamethrower attack. o__o There'd be nothing left of the poor thing. xD;

So yeah, I would have a couple Pokemon to be pals with (probably Arcanine and Charmander :>), and also have them for personal protection, but I wouldn't battle with them or anything like that, for the fear that they could get hurt or killed.


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post Dec 31 2009, 10:56 PM
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Just a comment about the pokemon ball. It doesnt cram em in it shrinks em down into their own personal world.(If u were using sarcasm sorry)
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I agree with everything you say, except I want to say one thing: the "bad" guys CAPTURE other people's Pokemon or Legendaries and the like by means of tools or devices. They intend to use these Pokemon for bad reasons. Ash and other "good" trainers do not. They simply wish to train them.


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