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Posted by: Fantasyfreak789 Oct 21 2010, 12:20 PM

I have an Eevee in HeartGold right now that I cant decide who to turn it into. Which do you think is better and why: Espeon or Umbreon? unsure.gif

Posted by: mattdog98 Oct 22 2010, 04:20 PM

Umbreon all the way! One it is a Dark type, An awesome type all around.
I know alot of things about alot of Pokemon but i'm not an 'expert' on espeon.So i'm really just going to list good things about Umbreon grin.gif

I taught my shiny level 100 Umbreon
Dark Pulse
Confuse Ray<<I will get rid of soon.

All and all it's your choice.I'm almost pisitive Umbreon can learn Physcic if so that takes care of Fighting types.

Posted by: Shiny Zangoose Oct 22 2010, 08:27 PM

Espeon because when trained right it can sweep any pokemon in one turn. It's defense sucks but it's super strong and super fast. Umbreon is bad because it can take forever to knock out your opponent. I guess that's my opinion though. :P

Posted by: SunflowerSolstice Oct 22 2010, 09:22 PM

I prefer Espeon. It has muscles made of paper, but its Special Attacks are punishing. Umbreon, on the other hand, is good for taking hits, but it can't dish any out.

Neither of them are my favorite, tbh. I prefer Vaporeon, Jolteon, or Leafeon, but it's your decision, of course~

Posted by: FancyGranola Oct 23 2010, 01:03 AM

I'm 100% for Vaporeon because it is a water type, but everyone knows I have a bias towards all other types besides water. If you really want either Espeon or Umbreon, go Espeon. Umbreon takes a lot of effort to set up and totally defensive. For regular game play, it is much easier to use a fast sweeper to decimate your opponents.

Posted by: marshtomp1 Oct 23 2010, 01:30 AM

I'm a wqater fan too,but I prefer Umbreon...

Posted by: Stellar Spirit Oct 23 2010, 01:39 AM

I like jolteon better than the 2 choices...
If I have to choose..
I'll choose umbreon...
cause espeon has a shallow offensive move-pool...

Posted by: Fire Fist Ace Oct 23 2010, 02:55 PM

Espeon is cool looking when it's a shiny, but Umbreon is just all around awesome.

Posted by: AquaBlade Oct 23 2010, 10:53 PM

Pretty Much You're Choice. however espeon is powerful with special attacks and umbreon is good with staying alive.

However i would choose umbreon because if you teach it swagger and some different type attacks, its very strong.

Posted by: FancyGranola Oct 23 2010, 11:49 PM

QUOTE(AquaBlade @ Oct 23 2010, 08:53 PM) *
However i would choose umbreon because if you teach it swagger and some different type attacks, its very strong.

That's very exclusive to Umbreon, Swagger and different types of attack.

Posted by: Skylines Oct 24 2010, 12:51 PM

I prefer Espeon because it dishes out the most damage but has crappy hp and If it was strong enough though it could knock-out most pokemon in 1-2 hits so it minimizes the damage it takes.

Umbreon is a good tank...

If you go with another type, you should go with Flareon.

Posted by: FancyGranola Oct 25 2010, 12:07 AM

QUOTE(Skylines @ Oct 24 2010, 10:51 AM) *
I prefer Espeon because it dishes out the most damage but has crappy hp and If it was strong enough though it could knock-out most pokemon in 1-2 hits so it minimizes the damage it takes.

Umbreon is a good tank...

If you go with another type, you should go with Flareon.

Of course go with Flareon because of its abysmal movepool and it has no way to use its massive Attack stat.

Posted by: Karst Oct 25 2010, 07:57 PM

I grabbed a ditto near the daycare and hatched another eevee to get both. =3

Posted by: Shiny Charmander Oct 25 2010, 08:02 PM

Umm. i'd say eh... leafeon.. gah i...
hypno.gif ... hypno wat are... you

Posted by: Shiny Charmander Oct 25 2010, 08:03 PM

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Posted by: FancyGranola Oct 25 2010, 11:12 PM

You forgot milotic.gif

Posted by: PhiferWolf Oct 26 2010, 06:25 PM

Umbreon is great for tanking but hardly can take anyone out without using Toxic, imo... Go go espeon cat.gif

Posted by: Fantasyfreak789 Nov 10 2010, 07:18 PM

QUOTE(Karst @ Oct 25 2010, 04:57 PM) *
I grabbed a ditto near the daycare and hatched another eevee to get both. =3

Haha! Thats not a bad idea!

Posted by: Fantasyfreak789 Nov 10 2010, 07:20 PM

Thank you everybody! I'll take all your thoughts into consideration!

Posted by: KyonKun Nov 11 2010, 01:15 PM

If you would mean in appearance I would say Espeon, but in power and battle I wouldn't be able to choose as they are both very strong Pokémon.

Posted by: Podz Nov 13 2010, 02:36 PM

UMBREON :coooool:

Posted by: Chenille Nov 21 2010, 01:46 PM

Espeon all the way.

Thought Shiny Umbreon is prettier than Shiny Espeon unimpressed.gif

So yeah, this is based on zero technical decision and 100% aestetics taste XD

Posted by: shad00 Nov 21 2010, 02:01 PM

Uh matters.
Espeon can sweep an opponent fast.
While Umbreon can stay on the legs a lot.

Espeon is a sweeper Umbreon is a tank. (Espeon got better attack Umbreon is more defensive)
Umbreon is a bit more secure against elite 4 and the champion actually.
So uh.
I'd personally pick Umbreon.
Oh and yes.
Umbreon is dark type.
Which would resist most of the elite 4 and Lance.

Posted by: Agent Zoroark Nov 21 2010, 02:25 PM

If I had do choose I'd say Espeon But If It were shiny- Ehh I'd still choose Espeon happy.gif

Posted by: Chaossupersonic Nov 21 2010, 07:20 PM

I would choose espeon, but get both if possible. They complement each other PERFECTLY if taught the right moves.
Ubreon to take the hits, and espeon to deal the damage. Double battles are (most of the time) easy when you use them both with the proper training.

But yes. If only one, espeon. Both umbreon and espeon need the right training and moveset to be good, but espeon is a little easier to geta a good moveset and correct EVs imo.

Posted by: Pikagrue Nov 22 2010, 12:41 AM

Of the two, I like espeon best. Not that I generally use it - I just think it looks cooler than Umbreon does.

Posted by: ashlovesmisty Dec 2 2010, 05:34 PM

I vote for Umbreon it is awesome umbreon.gif. cool.gif awesome.gif clap.gif nod.gif woot.gif

Posted by: Golden Wish Dec 2 2010, 07:11 PM

Out of the two i have to choose Espeon>^.^<
sure it doesn't have the best defense pinch.gif
but overall it can take down the opponent easily and if it has the right moves it'll be a lot better than umbreon.
Espeon!! espeon.gif

Posted by: Citrix Dec 3 2010, 02:19 AM

It's all about the umbreon. Strong and cool blue color when shiny~

Posted by: Odin Dec 6 2010, 10:23 AM

I prefer Umbreon. Two reasons. 1 I like dark types. 2. A proper defense is a good offense.

Posted by: Nekoru Dec 6 2010, 10:49 AM

Espeon! Its so cute and is one of the few psychic type Pokemon I like. However, I do agree that shiny Umbreon look cooler, and I do love dark types but if this were a poll my vote would still go to Espeon ^^

Posted by: krakrak Dec 6 2010, 11:46 AM

I prefer umbreon as it is a dark type and i really like shiny

Posted by: NinjaMcCheez Dec 6 2010, 03:30 PM

I would go with Umbreon.

Posted by: Fencingwolf13 Dec 6 2010, 04:11 PM

I personally like Espeon better.

Posted by: Dark Way Dec 10 2010, 03:55 PM

I don't know I like both of them but if I need to choose I say I take Umbreon.

Posted by: Livie Dec 10 2010, 04:06 PM

Umbreon!!! I'm using one on my competitive team and I'll tell you one thing; with the right moveset you can go far with one.

Posted by: FireUmbreon Dec 10 2010, 04:08 PM

<- *points at username*


Posted by: Doublerainbow Dec 10 2010, 10:30 PM

Definitely Umbreon. I have one on my team in SS, a shiny one, and he's awesome.

Posted by: B E T A Dec 12 2010, 01:22 PM

definately umbreon. the bulkiness is just too cool to resist~

Posted by: Frozen Kaitou Dec 13 2010, 03:24 AM

Choose Umbreon,it's OU while Espeon is NU

Posted by: Katniss Dec 13 2010, 08:42 PM

I think that you should evolve it into whichever is convenient at the time then breed another one and evolve it into the other so you'll have both. But I personally like Umbreon better because I'm a fan of dark types

Posted by: skymin kid Dec 14 2010, 12:42 PM

Espeon, he has a dark power! heybaby.gif

Posted by: Gilda Dec 14 2010, 12:48 PM

I'd choose Espeon.

Posted by: Lollttm Dec 15 2010, 12:55 PM

umbreon all the way!

Posted by: Geggo Dec 22 2010, 11:17 AM

Hmm... I say Espeon.

Posted by: LightningPhantom Dec 22 2010, 03:05 PM

I like both!
Normal: Espeon
Shiny: Umbreon

Posted by: Tortilla Dec 25 2010, 03:31 PM

Go with Espeon for sure.

It's faster, it's more offensively inclined than Umbreon, and it looks way awesomer and more elegant. Of course, every Espeon of mine has been female.

Posted by: Harlot Dec 29 2010, 01:59 PM

I personally prefer Umbreons. <3~
You shoulda made this a poll. o_o

Posted by: Blueflame Dec 29 2010, 03:44 PM

In terms of aesthetics... I dunno, it's hard to choose. Espeon is more cute, and Umbreon looks more cool. In battle, I use my Espeon as a special sweeper while my Umbreon builds up its Attack and Defense with Curse. I guess I'd have to go with Umbreon overall, but ask me a different day and I might say something else.

Posted by: brandonrabbit Dec 30 2010, 10:40 AM

You probably evolved the Eevee already. If you didn't I would say Umbreon.

Posted by: Eppie Feb 20 2011, 07:40 AM

I would choose Espeon, it comes more handy even with low level.
Umbreon needs a lot of training before you can really take advantage from it (:

Posted by: Drunkenwhale Feb 21 2011, 03:43 PM

Between the two, I like both, I have both, I use both.

Posted by: Haar Feb 21 2011, 04:56 PM

I prefer Espeon. Umbreon is one of my least favorite Pokemon.

Posted by: Kyume Temegakure Feb 22 2011, 12:46 AM

Espeon if you like a pokemon that can dominate others or Umbreon if you r looking for a special defence/crappy healer. Espeon in my opinion has better moves but Umbreon looks better. So personally, have both in a double battle cause Umbreon raises attack and stuff, and then Espeon attacks with even more destructive power, then heal with moonlight if need be, and repeat

Posted by: DarkPetal Feb 23 2011, 03:17 PM

I like Espeon more. I tried using Umbreon once but I didn't like using him at all.

Posted by: Verinia Mar 5 2011, 10:06 PM

Espeon, um because you can use it a lot more because it can OHKO most opponents. Umbreon is just plain annoying, at least for me, since I tried using one, and it ended up fainting instead of making the other Pokémon faint. Really that is just wrong. But if the Shiny versions are counted Umbreon wins all the way. Who'd like a lime-green kitty?

Posted by: Nac1234 Mar 11 2011, 06:37 PM

I like them both, but I prefer to use Espeon.

Posted by: Nightmare Vocaloid Mar 12 2011, 07:26 AM


Umbreon is overrated.

Posted by: SnivyCap Apr 1 2011, 10:59 PM

Yay, my 150th post on April Fools Day! Anyway, I would go with Espeon. But, you should choose whoever you like. I see it as three battles:

1: Cute Design vs Cool Design
2: Psychic Type vs Dark Type
3: Special Sweeper (Espeon) vs Mixed Wall (Umbreon)

Your choice... (Go with Espeon!)

Posted by: SunnyLove222 Apr 1 2011, 11:30 PM

I think that Espeons are better, but I really like them both.
1. Espeon is has sun powers (doesn't it?) and overall, it's just amazing.
2. Purple, and a pinkish red jewel on the forehead. Can you get any better than that?
Umbreons are cute, but I really think Espies are cuter awesome.gif

Posted by: Albus Apr 2 2011, 12:28 AM

I would choose Espeon over all of the Eeveelutions. hands down.
People think Umbreon has Espeon beat in all ways, but Espeon has Signal beam. 8D
Modest Espeon = Total win

Posted by: Avvie Apr 3 2011, 04:38 PM

Espeon hands down no doubt 100 percent. Out of all the Eeveelutions, she/he has to be my favorite

Posted by: Snowsky Apr 18 2011, 08:28 PM

Oh, Espeon. Definitely. I love Psychic-types. And that little gem on its forehead makes it look so pretty~

Posted by: GlennXD Apr 20 2011, 01:20 PM

I think it should be a Umbreon because it's way more cute than Espeon


Posted by: Lilica Apr 21 2011, 07:54 AM

I prefer Umbreon. A good tank, for me. So what if it doesn't hit hard enough? At least it lasts a while before it goes down. Plus Umbreon looks sleek. cat.gif

Posted by: okpo Apr 21 2011, 08:42 AM

I prefer umbreon

Posted by: azurill17 May 4 2011, 10:17 AM


for me... i prefer... espeon... coz... i think espeon... is the most powerful among the eeveelutions....

also... espeon... is AWESOME!!!

Posted by: Karraxx May 4 2011, 10:29 AM

Umbreon, you just gotta look at it to know it is nothing but pwnsauce

Posted by: evil umbreon May 4 2011, 05:31 PM

i say umbreon cuz 1. its epic and 2. i just luv the little guys!!!! umbreon.gif awesome.gif

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Posted by: Tatsuya156 May 4 2011, 06:22 PM

Umbreon, It looks better than Espeon and i prefer his Attacks and stats...

I like Espeon too, but Umbreon a bit more.

Posted by: BinaryPeaches May 8 2011, 03:56 PM

I've always loved Espeon more myself. Due to the fact that it's part of the reason why I learned how to draw it holds a special place in my heart. Umbreon on the other hand does not.

Posted by: Lucario 98 May 8 2011, 11:18 PM

I love them both, I personally prefer Umbreon because I love darkness and night time. If you are looking for which one has better stats though:
^ Espeon
^ Umbreon

At the bottom of each page is a stat chart for each.
They have about the same base attack, but Umbreon has way better base defense while Espeon has way better base special attack. So it depends on what stats you value.

Although as suggested you could just breed with a ditto and end up with both.

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Posted by: purple umbreon Sep 11 2012, 02:16 AM

I know my name is purple umbreon but I think espeon is better.
Espeon is alot faster than umbreon. Espeon has really high special attack too.
Espeon can also learn alot of moves. But their defences are bad.

Posted by: nkl93 Sep 11 2012, 10:59 AM

I just loved Umbreon when those two first came out, never achieved Espeon though, so I guess that's why I never favored it.

Posted by: Shiny Azelf Sep 11 2012, 09:00 PM

I used to like Espeon better, but I like Umbreon much better now. He's so...mysterious haha.

Posted by: Nanaki Sep 12 2012, 12:40 PM

i prefer espeon, but i do love shiny umbreon ;o;

Posted by: Le Me Sep 23 2012, 11:40 AM

Umbreon if it has curse. Otherwise, Espeon.

Posted by: pinkriffic Sep 26 2012, 04:54 PM

It depends what you want.

Baton Passer, Umbreon is really good for the job. High defences + Mean Look (if you're talking pre-V), and is also a good Toxic staller. Also, dark has the bonus of x0 with Psychic, so a lot of moves negated.

Espeon would be good as a Spe. Sweeper, and high speed stat means it will almost always go first, so it doesn't need to take hits if you give it the right moves.

Imo, I would hatch another Eevee and get both. No harm in doing that. ^^

Posted by: Plastique Fox Dec 1 2012, 06:06 PM

Umbreon hands down!

Posted by: TwilightSkylene Dec 8 2012, 10:47 PM

Well, I tend to go with whichever my Eevee evolves into first-- but I usually try to get Espeon before Umbreon (both are equally lovely, in my opinion) simply because the dex entry has always interested me the most. xD If I planned for an easier battle or something though, I notice my Umbreons usually help me a lot...

Posted by: SilverLugia456 Dec 9 2012, 12:37 PM

I like both equally but I seem to like to use Umbreon in my pokemon parties more than espeon.

Posted by: Finsley Dec 9 2012, 03:45 PM

i prefer espeon but umbreon is always the one i keep on my team for some reason

Posted by: AoiOne Dec 9 2012, 03:50 PM

I've always had a special connection to both for some odd reason, along with the other Eeveeloutions but, I think Espeon has very strong moves like Morning Sun and Psychic but Umbreon doesn't have as many (as I remember). So I guess I'm impartial.

Posted by: Sora the Pikachu Dec 9 2012, 04:31 PM

In battle, Umbreon is better, but I like Espeon, I think Espeon has a higher SP Attack and knows a lot of powerful moves, I keep Espeon in my team and is my favorite Eevee Evolution.

Posted by: REvan342 Dec 20 2012, 02:24 AM

It really depends on what niche you want it to play...

If you want specail sweeper, use Espeon

If you want annoyin defence wall, use Umbreon

Posted by: Handsome Jack Dec 21 2012, 07:26 AM

Umbreon is better than Espeon by pure typing, in battle i'd probably still go with Umbreon due to it's defensive capabilities, but if i wanted an annoying sweeper, then i would choose Espeon.

Posted by: Alexx Shards Jan 5 2013, 12:43 AM

They both work together good in Pokemon Colosseum, but I've noticed that Espeon was always faster and better to knock out opponents. Umbreon was good at taking hits, but not dishing out moves o . o Overall, both are good in their own ways, but I'd go with Espeon.

Posted by: Fang Oerba Jan 5 2013, 07:01 PM

Depends, Espeon is faster and can sweep easily, but Umbreon has more defense, which makes it a better tank/hit taker.

Posted by: Lance Bass Jan 5 2013, 10:08 PM

I prefer Espeon for its great Speed and Special Attack.

Posted by: Shiny Researcher Feb 19 2013, 08:29 PM

i think, Umbreon is cooler...

Posted by: Demitheumbreon Feb 20 2013, 08:13 AM

Umbreon rocks! i hate espeon (only the shiny,i hate green xD)

Umbre is my favorite pokemon,i have one on all my pokemon games cat.gif and,all the umbreons i have,are females.

Posted by: Daisy14 Apr 1 2013, 07:28 PM

i like both but umbreon is my best. he cool pokemon. happy.gif

Posted by: Zigzagoon Apr 2 2013, 08:15 AM

QUOTE(Alexx Shards @ Jan 5 2013, 06:43 AM) *
They both work together good in Pokemon Colosseum, but I've noticed that Espeon was always faster and better to knock out opponents. Umbreon was good at taking hits, but not dishing out moves o . o Overall, both are good in their own ways, but I'd go with Espeon.

This exactly. I was always really annoyed that Umbreon started at the higher level, since Espeons attacks hit harder.
I like Espeon more in the sense of battling, but Umbreon is definitely my favourite generally. PLus, Umbreon looks cooler.

Posted by: Kontrazent Apr 7 2013, 12:56 PM

Umbreon... as shiny even more awesome.

Posted by: two May 12 2013, 05:00 PM

Espeon is my favorite. I honestly just find them more useful in battles, as I don't really have many useful dark type tms on my games.

Posted by: Surilteir Sep 28 2013, 10:27 PM

Umbreon is cooler looking, but espeon is stronger IMO

Posted by: xXSlaughteredXx Oct 19 2013, 05:32 AM

Neither is good on their own, I played Colosseum for the Gamecube before someone stole my copy;
Umbreon is great on defense and Espeon for Offense; They NEED eachother. Umbreon is a great supporter with Confuse Ray, Hypnosis/Leer/Growl/Helping Hand, Crunch/Bite (I Prefer Bite), and Swift/Quick Attack/Toxic (I usually choose Toxic) If Espeon has Psybeam/Psychic, Safegaurd, Hyper Beam/Protect/Dream Eater (Dream Eater must be paired with Umbreon's Hypnosis or with another pokemon and Umbreon can have a healing/Status (Heal Bell or Wish) move which is also recommended...) depending on how well you feel its defense is, and Shadow Ball.. My team was the shit....

Posted by: Fluttershy MLP Jan 16 2014, 02:55 PM

I voted for umbreon its my old pokemon I had in pokemon Crystal umbreon.gif love.gif

Posted by: Captain Epic Jan 17 2014, 10:51 AM

I like both cat.gif Must go with Umbreon more though, because the shiny form is sooo pretty...

But Espeon is purple...

Argh sealed.gif

Posted by: The Majestic Mr L Jan 17 2014, 10:50 PM

QUOTE(mattdog98 @ Oct 22 2010, 04:20 PM) *
Umbreon all the way! One it is a Dark type, An awesome type all around.

Also, that means Umbreon has the type advantage whereas Espeon does not.

Posted by: zorua9 Apr 12 2014, 12:01 AM

I actually like Umbreon more then Espeon...l i don't know why though

Posted by: StrawberryLoveIntervention Jun 17 2014, 01:33 PM

In terms of design, I like Umbreon more. In terms of battle, I prefer Espeon because I usually don't have the patience for the kind of long, drawn-out battles that Pokemon like Umbreon are built for. I think the strategies for those Pokemon are great, but they're not for me.

Posted by: Felly Jun 22 2014, 09:13 PM

Umbreon for me. c: Dark types all the way!

Posted by: FirePower Jul 4 2014, 06:42 AM

I'd have to go with Espeon, though I'm a big fan of both types. Espeon's a special attack based pokemon, while Umbreon's more defense-oriented. And I'm all about the offence.

Posted by: Garchompstomp Jul 13 2014, 01:32 PM

Basically what everyone else is saying: Umbreon is bulky and Espeon is good special attacker that learns strong moves. Of course, based on looks, I prefer Umbreon. (Shallow as that may be!)

Posted by: Butterfliez Sep 15 2014, 10:44 PM

Umbreon in my opinion

Posted by: Deleca7755 Mar 8 2016, 01:40 PM

Those defenses man

Posted by: RavenABlack Mar 27 2017, 09:07 AM

I'm always on the dark side. The Espeon just feels superficial and in love with itself. It's real snooty and I feel the other pokemon judge Umbreon too quickly despite he's a sweet and shy guy because they think he's scary. :P Least that's what I saw when the Pikachu friends visited the Eevee family.

Posted by: DoktorPest Apr 22 2017, 06:58 PM

I actually love both. Espeon was the first one I got when I played Gold for the first time when I was seven or so. But...I think I'd still have to go with Umbreon. Though really, I like them just the same. They are both awesome in their own way.

Posted by: johnnytrash Nov 18 2017, 08:18 PM

just appearence-wise, i really prefer umbreon

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