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Animal Cruelty, And other morally questionable actions in Pokemon
PeachyMomo
post May 9 2009, 02:46 AM
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Does anyone else think, "Wow. This is kind of like dog fighting or cock fighting," sometimes when they think about Pokemon battles? By no means do I think Pokemon is promoting animal cruelty, but it is a little abusive xD; Some people say they would use Pokemon to battle even if they were real. But I doubt they think about the connection between that and animal cruelty either. What do you think?

On a semi-related note, I've also always wondered... how it okay to attack humans, like how Ash attacks Team Rocket, with lethal creatures like Pokemon? Thundershock would kill them. >>; [Yes, it is fantasy, but the connection made with reality is a little gruesome.]

Also, why is it okay for Ash to catch any Pokemon he likes but not Team Rocket or other "bad" guys?

And even catching Pokemon... It could be classified as neglect and abuse. Ash and other trainers store the majority of their Pokemon in their PC, and Ash only lets Pikachu walk around with him while the others are crammed into Pokeballs until a battle or emergency [again, dog fighting? xD]. Don't you think those Pokeballs would be... not so roomy? Do you think the Pokemon can think and feel emotion still while in the Pokeball? I'd think they would get restless and bored, at LEAST, if not extremely depressed. Not to mention Ash plays favoritism.

Good thing little kids don't really notice these things.

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post May 9 2009, 02:54 AM
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I've never thought about it like that, honestly.
Pokemon's just too... Fantasy for me to relate to things that happen in real life. xD;


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post May 9 2009, 02:57 AM
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I think everyone's thought about the parallels as they get older. All in all, battles are dangerous for both trainer and pokemon. Imagine a stray shadow ball...


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post May 9 2009, 03:33 AM
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Yes, very dangerous.

I've also always wondered... how it okay to attack humans, like how Ash attacks Team Rocket, with lethal creatures like Pokemon? Thundershock would kill them. >>;

Also, why is it okay for Ash to catch any Pokemon he likes but not Team Rocket or other "bad" guys?

There is so much wrong with this series xD

In fact, I am going to add these to the main topic.

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post May 9 2009, 09:32 AM
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I read an explanation on this on a website somewhere I think....

It's true as you get older you start to notice these things.

But also take note that animals in cockfights and dogfights are forced. They're abused or made to be aggressive. Pokemon want to battle, nobody forces them. Seriously, how is your average human going to force a pokemon to do ANYTHING? Ash couldn't MAKE Pikachu battle, that was clearly evident in the first episode. And that's just pikachu. Think of trianers trying to force a Tyranitar to battle? A Charizard? (We've seen that one too.) Not a chance. The pokemon battle because they enjoy it.


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post May 9 2009, 11:08 AM
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Ah, that is a good point.

I've also wondered, can they die? In some of the movies, they act like the legendaries will die [Giratina] but I thought they could only faint?

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And then you have to think about some of the other attacks... like hyper beam. How do pokemon live through these things?! It sounds pretty darn painful to me.

About the pokeballs... How do you fit a snorlax into a pokeball? Dragonite? Even something small like Pikachu would still be squashed...

Atill, it IS just a game, albeit a somewhat morally incorrect one. I'd say most people notice these things, but choose to ignore them for the sake of their happy gaming times.


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I never thought of that ether, until someone named CheezyWeapon (Not here, I don't think, and he wouldn't bother) viewed the objective as "10 year olds who go out without adult supervision, enslaving animals in the forest or somewhere."

And yes, I'm sure Pokémon do die. Ether the battles become so lethal it leads to a fatality of these creatures, or they come to age like natural animals ether in the wild or in captivity do. The level of these creatures should not resemble indication of age, but they sure do grow quickly.


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Yes. I question all these things but I still love Pokemon xD But it's something to ponder, surely.


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i think f those things all the time... There are a lot more thing in the pokemon TV series thats not appropetate for little kids either, i willl not point them out though... Also the show sugarcoats things to seperate them from reality, i mean team rocket should be dead, so should half the pokemon, not to mention ash, or a least a few broken bones for some of the characters... I guess the creators dont think of these things they should compare reality, they should at least make another pokemon series that does use reality for older kids(teens) who can pick these things out i think that would be neat grin.gif


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post May 9 2009, 01:39 PM
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Well, pokemon battles only last until someone faints, right? So, I believe if a pokemon keeps attacking a fainted opponent, it will eventually kill that opponent. I think in a real pokemon society, using a pokemon to attack a person would be a crime. It just makes sense when you consider the power even the weakest pokemon has.


"Also, why is it okay for Ash to catch any Pokemon he likes but not Team Rocket or other "bad" guys?"

I hate that. It's the biggest thing I hate about the show. I like seeing Team Rocket grow as characters and letting them catch pokemon is a way for them to grow away from trying to steal some stupid pikachu.


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post May 9 2009, 10:55 PM
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You are insane. This is a game. None of it actually happens. No one is really hurt. The Pokemon do not feel emotion or pain. They are merely pixels.


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QUOTE(Mukumuku @ May 9 2009, 12:17 PM) *
And then you have to think about some of the other attacks... like hyper beam. How do pokemon live through these things?! It sounds pretty darn painful to me.

About the pokeballs... How do you fit a snorlax into a pokeball? Dragonite? Even something small like Pikachu would still be squashed...

Atill, it IS just a game, albeit a somewhat morally incorrect one. I'd say most people notice these things, but choose to ignore them for the sake of their happy gaming times.

I think when someone puts a Pokemon into a Pokeball, the Pokemon shrinks until removed from the Pokeball.


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QUOTE(Seadragon @ May 9 2009, 11:55 PM) *
You are insane. This is a game. None of it actually happens. No one is really hurt. The Pokemon do not feel emotion or pain. They are merely pixels.

You have a terrible imagination, dont you?


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post May 10 2009, 02:21 PM
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QUOTE(Seadragon @ May 9 2009, 11:55 PM) *
You are insane. This is a game. None of it actually happens. No one is really hurt. The Pokemon do not feel emotion or pain. They are merely pixels.


Why don't you actually READ the topic?

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I think pokemon introduces the idea of animal enslavement. In one of the anime episodes, do you really think that a rapidash would let ash on his/her back? That's like horse back riding, you whip or spur the poor animal until it gets traumatised to let you ride on its back.

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I've thought about some of these things, but Pokemon are a lot more self-aware than animals and most of them have some level of choice in what they do. Notice how Ash gets singed, shocked, and whacked more than a few times before his Pokemon learn to trust him?

Also, if I remember correctly, Pokeballs are actually null-space pockets so they actually are quite roomy.


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QUOTE(PeachyMomo @ May 10 2009, 02:21 PM) *
QUOTE(Seadragon @ May 9 2009, 11:55 PM) *
You are insane. This is a game. None of it actually happens. No one is really hurt. The Pokemon do not feel emotion or pain. They are merely pixels.


Why don't you actually READ the topic?

Mind you, I have as a matter of fact. I just believe it's ridiculous anyone could be influenced by a game to promote animal cruelty. I also believe that no one should debate about Pokemon on a screen and question whether they die or not. It's all very ridiculous and if anything, we should debate about bigger issues than Pokemon.


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And remember kids, frogs are evil! They are. Have you ever looked at their eyes? PURE EVIL.


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Well, this is all a little silly. Come on, it's Pokémon. It's described as a magical place and all that doolally stuff! xD
Animal abuse is much too serious!


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I do think it's a little much for people to call it dogfighting... blink.gif

Though attacking Humans...That disturbs me. IT should Be Pokemon vs. Pokemon, or Human vs. Human. It reminds me of the Golden compass with the Daemons.

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