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Animal activists, What do you think about them?
Mangoheart
post May 23 2010, 03:31 AM
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Well today I came across an animal activist on the Internet...I had taken a picture of a snake I found in my backyard. It had a bloody little scratch in its skin because my cat found it before I did. Of course I made sure that snake got away and I kept my cat inside the rest of the day. And yet this animal activist literally started to blame me of animal abuse.
How horrible person I am to let my cats outside and cats are monsters that should be killed.
My cats mainly only kill and eat mice and that's one of the reasons why I have cats in the first place. I don't want my house full of mice. When cat catches a bird for example it's probably old and sick already. As for snakes, I've never seen one near my house before. And frankly I haven't seen too many grass snakes in Finland at all.
Anyway I did save that poor snake. I absolutely love animals and I don't want to see them killed or hurt. How can one be an animal activist when they want pets dead...


I'd want to hear your opinion on this. If you have similar experiences or something else to say about this, please do.

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post May 24 2010, 01:03 AM
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My take on it is that the people who really do give a damn about animals spend their time volunteering at animal shelters and taking the necessary classes to help animals as a veterinarian or a forester, and not on the internet yelling at people who aren't keeping their pets they way they want them to.


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post May 24 2010, 02:29 AM
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I absolutely love animal activists. They're so obsessed with their train of thoughts that they always forget the real issues.

Take PETA for example. Their entire ad campaign is to the point of "People for the unEthical Treatment of humAns". They completely ignore real animal cruelty, and fight die-hard against a lot of stuff that benefits society. I think the only job that they've done a good job and not screwed up with their secondary goals is the attack on the fur coat industry.
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post May 25 2010, 02:40 PM
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I absolutely hate it whenever people wish a certain animal should be killed off. Do they not even know the consequences of doing just that? It could completely destroy a whole food web, which can lead to an unbalance of the ecosystem.

I love animals and hate seeing them get injured/killed. I'm highly against testing on animals, since it can be cruel to them and it's not always accurate. I mean, you can always test something on an animal and have it work on them, but it can potentially have an adverse side effect on a human being. Not to mention, I'd hate to think what those animals go through during that whole testing process.

I guess you can say I, myself, am an animal activist. I can't stand people that treat their pets cruelly, train animals for fighting, or even just flat out kill an defenseless animal for no reason. Animals shouldn't be used to make fur coats, either. It just all seems so wrong in my eyes.


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post May 25 2010, 03:41 PM
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QUOTE(CM Punk @ May 25 2010, 03:40 PM) *
I absolutely hate it whenever people wish a certain animal should be killed off. Do they not even know the consequences of doing just that? It could completely destroy a whole food web, which can lead to an unbalance of the ecosystem.


How exactly does an ecosystem become "unbalanced"? Now I'm not asking this sound "mean" or "cruel" but the Earth has gone through many shifts where an ecosystem becomes "unbalanced" demanding a change in the order of things, where one dominant species dies off and makes room for another. The classic example would be the dinosaurs dieing off and making room for mammals where the thing to remember is that the reptiles didn't all die off with the dinosaurs, only a certain number of certain species.

The point is that while willing something like the extinction of an entire species is a bit...evil, it's not exactly as "dire" as you make it seem to be. If Gazelle were to suddenly go extinct, the Lions and Cheetahs who use them as nurishment would just eat something else. Would that make it where there'd be some changes done to the species? Well no doubt, there'd be change done to both the predator and the prey, but that's how evolution works.

Now if you have a beef with evolution, that's a conversation for a completely different thread.


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post May 25 2010, 08:25 PM
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Such animal activists have such skewered perspective and reasoning that I really don't bother with them. They're nuttier than squirrel shit. no.gif

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post May 26 2010, 05:49 PM
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It all depends on the individual activist. People trying to inform pet stores through care sheets and letters shouldn't be considered the same as people in Animal Liberation Front or PETA


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post May 26 2010, 08:28 PM
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As usual, I'm on the side of situations. Yours was bad, the damn activist forgot that cats are going to chase other creatures it thinks it can capture for prey, which is normal for the animal kingdoms. If anything your cat should get a medal for doing what it's supposed to do. (Since nothing else in this world can do that.)

But no, people who genuinely care about animals but haven't gone off the deep end (ie: Care sheets for pet shops and not lawyers for dogs to sue their owners...) should not be considered on the same line as PETA.

However, your little stalker is a PETA variety.


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post May 28 2010, 11:19 AM
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Yeah I think that worrying(or rather freaking out) about species that are not even endangered is a bit....pointless. Some animals get killed out there, it's nature's law.
And blaming pets for destroying the balance of nature. Well I'm pretty sure people do much more harm than any little cat could ever do.

My point is you don't have to be some activist to be able to care about animals. I know there are could people who do much good for the sake of endangered species and I have respect for them. But attacking people on Internet seems a bit immature
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post May 30 2010, 01:36 PM
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To be honest, I don’t really like cats being outdoors. My grandparents have an outdoor cat, and he kills rabbits, snakes, lizards, and birds. Half the time he does not eat these animals, and is just killing to be killing. The reason I do not agree with is simply because he is competing with other predators, there is a hawk who seems to stay around our yard and the field behind it, to grab rabbits. When tigger kills a rabbit, he is taking a rabbit that could be a meal for that hawk, which needs it more than a cat who is fed cat food on a daily bases.
I also do not like the idea because I do not like seeing someone’s pet becoming road kill. Now it may be different where you live, but in the states, it’s almost every day that you can see a dead animal on the side of the road. Rather it be dog cat or deer. People just don’t care, and some people even swerve to hit animals here.

Some animal activists are insane, I like animals, but I’m not going to tell people what to do with their pets. If my grandparents cat kills something, it’s on them, sure I’m not going to be happy about it but I’m not going to force the cat who is used to being outside to become an inside cat because of what I think. And I would never want my grandparents cat killed, or any outdoor cat killed for that matter, because they are doing what comes natural to it.


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post Jun 2 2010, 06:14 PM
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I volunteered at my city's zoo one summer. I'm not saying this to give myself legitimacy as an animal activist or whatever, but rather to give credibility to the story I'm about to tell.

We had an elderly elephant (who's passed away since then, sadly) named Mona. She'd lived at the zoo most of her adult life, along with another elephant, who at the time of these events had recently died. So Mona was old, recently bereft of her best friend, and used to life at the zoo. Which was ... a zoo, and looked like one, but she had space, and keepers who loved her, and so on and so forth.

But then PETA decided that it was cruel and horrible to keep her in an enclosure, and that she should be taken to an elephant sanctuary to live out the rest of her days in freedom. Which sounds noble enough on the surface, except ... she was old, and in mourning, and she might not have survived a trip like that. And even if she had, and if she could adjust to a different location and lifestyle, she was on her last set of teeth. At the zoo, we could make special food for her that wouldn't wear her teeth down, but in a sanctuary she would have to find her own food, and she'd wear down her teeth. It was just not practical at all.

If she'd been a lot younger, a little elephant child or something, I would have been a lot more open to the idea. Zoos are sad places and I couldn't stand being there every day for more than a few months. But ~*~releasing the animal into the wiiild~*~ is far from a universal solution.

... Anyway, that's mostly why I don't like PETA. They're silly. That said, I do believe in animal rights. I just think a lot of "activists" are either rabble-rousers or uninformed bleeding hearts.


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post Jun 3 2010, 07:00 PM
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QUOTE(Dubstep @ May 25 2010, 09:25 PM) *
Such animal activists have such skewered perspective and reasoning that I really don't bother with them. They're nuttier than squirrel shit. no.gif

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post Jun 4 2010, 06:38 PM
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since this animal activists thing is pretty much the same as a tree hugger but instead with animals.

honestly theres really no need for em.

Animal activist= Person who has nothing better to do.

People know how to treat a pet they just choose what they want to do with it.

How many people actually listen to the overeactive animal humpers i mean animal activists.


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post Jun 8 2010, 06:24 PM
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i dont beleive in circuses or phyiscal abuse but peta takes it to a whole new level they are absolutley nuts they tell people do this do that thats why we have guards they tried replacing the groundhog with a robot and they do this http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/35394363/ns/...nster_dog_show/ and and that but they always lose these people arnt looking at the biggest picture they should help prevent dog fights and animal abuse but instead they protest aginst the littlest things


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@kaitenmia: I think that specific 'animal activist' was being unfair to you. There are many cats that enjoy going outside, and to deny them that pleasure would be a type of abuse in itself.

My cats have brought back several dead birds, but I don't consider myself an advocate of murder. We can't go out and save all the zebras from the lions, s then the lions would starve. Though a house cat is not in the danger of starving, they still have to eat some kind of dead animal.

I think there are good animal activists. For the Americans, Theodore Roosevelt set aside the national parks (im pretty sure; I haven't validated this, and I get the Roosevelts confused) and that was undeniably helpful for people and animals.


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Animal activists like that drive me crazy. I hate PETA and people like the one in the first post. I love animals and I would never harm an animal. All my life, I've wanted to do something to help animals and I've wanted to volunteer at an animal shelter. (Haven't been able to yet, but I plan to in the near future when I gain my driver's license.) But PETA has it all wrong, and is full of idiots. Yes, there are good animal activists. I consider myself an animal activist, just not an extremist. If that makes sense, I'm running on very little sleep.XD

Also, if I hear one more person tell me that you can't eat meat and love animals at the same time, I will punch them in the face. I think that is incredibly stupid.
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I'm all for treating animals fairly and all, but all those ASPCA guilt trip commercials and the insane armchair activists need to GTFO.


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QUOTE(CM Punk @ May 25 2010, 01:40 PM) *
I absolutely hate it whenever people wish a certain animal should be killed off. Do they not even know the consequences of doing just that? It could completely destroy a whole food web, which can lead to an unbalance of the ecosystem.


It depends on the situation. Take wild pigs in the US for example. They are a completely non-native species and are devastating the ecosystems they are found in now, as well as generally destructive and dangerous. Wouldn't it be a good thing if they were killed off from where they do not belong? And no, simple relocation is not an answer, they breed too fast and would quickly overpopulate wherever you sent them to before you removed a fraction of those here already.

Note: Havelinas are the only native pig species the US, but they aren't a problem.


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I count myself as a non-extremist animal rights activist. I don't support testing on animal for anything but diseases and injuries, I don't like that my cats kill small rodents and birds, but they aren't being cruel. "Cruel"or "sadistic" means that cats take pleasure in harming another creature. They do not. They have instincts and they follow those instincts. Would you blame a human if they shot a wild animal if the animal was about to harm the human? No, you wouldn't. The instinct that cats have to kill small animals is just that. An instinct, nothing we humans can do but put collars and bells on our cats. I don't like circuses and never will besides all human ones, and zoos are fine if they are harboring an endangered species for breeding, because they offspring are more likely to survive than in the wild.


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