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Posted by: Wings of Sorrow Mar 20 2012, 06:35 AM
I often hear people say the word "pervert" as if there's something wrong with it. It's an adjective that describes some (If not many) men and women. So I ask your opinion.
Do you think a dirty mind is wrong, immoral, and bad?
I, as a pervy person myself, find nothing wrong with having a dirty mind. Sure, I like all those pervy things, but that doesn't mean I build my life around it. I believe it's just part of our character. Like being a good guy or a scumbag for example.
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Although I do agree what was said below. Some people really do take it too far and it gets annoying too. 
Posted by: Indoor Survival Mar 20 2012, 06:56 AM
I don't think it's "omfg horriblez", but it gets annoying when a person points out an innuendo in every single sentence uttered and will not let up. Sure, it's funny the first few times, but after that, it's annoying.
I've met some people that had perversion as their main schtick and it was funny at first, but became less and less so as it turned out that they had no other aspects to their personality. They became extremely predictable and boring, so I ended up stopping hanging around them.
The key to it all is timing. Don't exhaust all your jokes in one sitting and, for heaven's sake, make sure you can talk about at least one or two other things as a sign that you're still human.
Nobody is any less of a person for finding sex funny. (Heck, I'm screwed if that's true. I have a dark sense of humor.) People just need to know when they're blurring the line between "quick-witted sex fan" and "dick joke spambot".
Posted by: Shining Darkness Mar 20 2012, 07:11 AM
It's not anything like "wtf u perv" or "omg u shuld have a perv mind too". I find it immoral. May I also mention if you ARE a pervert, don't spam perverted jokes and you should probably crack one or two simple jokes that everyone might get a giggle out of, to at least show your mostly a human and not a bot. iirc, I've had friends like this (it went from bad to worse to okay to horrible), as they would not stop whatsoever, eventually I stopped talking to them in chat rooms or forums.
And may I mention, I don't say that many pervy things in my posts. I don't create posts thinking "Pervert-Post ftw". I might have made one or two slightly perverted jokes in my time, but thats pretty much come to a stop. Because otherwise, I'll either be called a fun member to be around or a warned one.
Posted by: Starships Mar 20 2012, 07:29 AM
Well the whole idea of "Perversion" can be a bit broader than having a "dirty mind." Perversion just sums up to describing the concept of human behaviour that is excessive or deviated from what is considered orthodox or normal.
Usually referred to as "dirty mindedness" as it's mostly abnormal, repulsive and obsessive, which is where you're coming from. I just wanted to clear that up first.
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Personally, I think there's a big thick line between what can be considered a joke and what can be considered a perverted mind. The constant use of innudendos, bringing up various sexual related content and using it towards trying to make people 'laugh' is really what I call unacceptable.
The now and then dirty joke I don't mind. I mean, we all make them, right? No-one can really say they've never told a dirty joke, or laugh at the number '69'. But like I stated earlier, when it's turning repulsive and the novelty of the joke has worn off it's not... right.
There's a definite line between what's right and wrong. It's not like it's hard to see. There are times and moments when it's right and some people just don't know when to stop. This is also what I don't see as right. I'm not saying people have to stay on the right side of the "line", but it's not that hard to comprehend the right things to say in the situation.
It kinda tells a lot about a person. Personally I see it as a lack of social ability which affects their self esteem and personality overall. I have a friend in real life that constantly makes innuendos or laughs at various phrases. In maths before I dropped it last week, he would make various sexual comments, giggle at 69's etc. It's just incredibly immature. Needless to say he doesn't really have much of a social life. Albeit he's not a generally well liked person in school. People just get tired of it all, and to be honest I don't blame them. He's one of those people who are constantly looking over their shoulder, trying to get really close to people but it just pushes them away.
It's all he ever talks about. However, making the odd reference to something or the giggle here and there I don't see a problem with. After all, everyone would be boring if no-one laughed at silly things like that, right?
Posted by: Marian Hawke Mar 20 2012, 07:36 AM
I'm not sure about anyone else, but I don't have a dirty mind, and I honestly wish I could have a decent conversation without some idiot twisting my words, and attempting to make me appear a fool. The last person who did, (which infanct was today) ended up with my fist in their face.
It is fine to an extent, but I personally don't find any sexual references funny in any way.
Posted by: Wings of Sorrow Mar 20 2012, 07:42 AM
There's a definite line between what's right and wrong. It's not like it's hard to see. There are times and moments when it's right and some people just don't know when to stop. This is also what I don't see as right. I'm not saying people have to stay on the right side of the "line", but it's not that hard to comprehend the right things to say in the situation.
As a pervy person myself. I agree that too much dirty jokes get annoying. I like hearing and making dirty jokes, but I don't do it all the time.
I really dislike people who abuse perverted jokes. It gives me, a tame perverted person, a bad reputation.
Posted by: Starships Mar 20 2012, 07:52 AM
It is fine to an extent, but I personally don't find any sexual references funny in any way.
There's only a few people I can actually have decent conversations with... out of all of the group I'm in, there's about 3-4 I actually enjoy talking to. Because they don't make stupid childish references.
Like you said, it's fine to an extent but then there's that line which is deemed acceptable and what isn't.
Posted by: Wings of Sorrow Mar 20 2012, 08:17 AM
I would also like to note that some pervy people also take it too far.
Like some in my classroom actually bring "sexy" type of magazines at school. One of my VERY pervy friends did "something" to me. Eww.
Posted by: Dazmi Mar 20 2012, 08:30 AM
If you`re not hurting anyone, you`re behaving yourself, then having a Dirty Mind is okay in my book. Even if you`re thinking about infected vaginas or whatever.
Oh, but what if you are not behaving yourself? What if all you talk about is sexual related topics? Well, that`s annoying. That`s really all I have to say.
Posted by: zerohundred May 7 2012, 08:00 PM
I probably have the dirtiest mind in the world, but i hate when people extrencisize it(make it external). i'm always saying something doesn't sound right but i can hold it in if i need to. It is fine to be prverted as long as it doesn't go to far.
Posted by: Hexxy May 7 2012, 09:14 PM
If done too much, it can be annoying, but it doesn't make you a bad person. :T
Posted by: Mercenary Raven May 7 2012, 10:50 PM
everyone's a pervert, even the very pure
how else would we know how to reproduce
Posted by: Spinelli May 8 2012, 10:08 AM
I have a dirty mind, and I do think that sexual references/dirty jokes are funny when it's appropriate. I just can't stand when I have to hear them whether or not I want to, and especially when I'm trying to have a conversation with someone and either they or some uninvolved person decides to make what I'm saying into something it wasn't meant as. Some people are starting to lose recognition for any other kind of humor, really, and it's sad. 
Posted by: Kewldop Nov 30 2012, 09:47 PM
I do agree with what you are saying. And some people that you are talking to might not think dirty jokes are funny which makes it awkward lol.
Posted by: Tartii Dec 12 2012, 06:17 PM
I completely agree with you on the fact that it is not wrong, but I still feel weird when someone says something like "He's a girl." and someone else says "How would you know that?"... Heh heh. Giggity. Heh.
Posted by: SoSweet Dec 29 2012, 05:34 PM
No, I don't think it's wrong to be perverted. However, if being a pervert leads you into doing some crazy stuff, then that's when stuff gets out of hand.
Posted by: SabrinaTH Jan 8 2013, 06:45 PM
I myself am also really perverted. Sometimes, out of random, i may just pop up with perverted words and jokes. Like, someone says something and if it's able to be thought in the wrong context, like my niece may talk about hot dogs(the wiener and bun) I found it in the perverted way, and she somehow did not. I hold back my perverted thoughts until it comes to my art, i then begin to draw perverted things sometimes. Mostly at night.
Being perverted isn't bad. It's just a little hard to contain a lot of it xD
Posted by: BLACKFOX Jan 8 2013, 07:39 PM
It really depends on the people you're talking to. An example of what I mean is, I've found out that one person could think a "noob" as someone who acts childish while another thinks a noob is someone who spam kills others (as in some game, an example Pokemon Arena X).
Well besides that, I would like to have a normal conversation with some people without them morphing it into something utterly disgusting. Yes, everyone cracks a dirty joke every now and then, but if used to much they could get a bad reputation for themselves. As for your "rep", it's only gotten from other "pervy" people. Judging someone from what the others of, let's just say, "kind" is really being a stereo type. I think there really is a imaginary "meter" to how far one can go with these jokes. -w-" In other words, people shouldn't judge stereo types.
To sum this all up, everyone is a "perv" from something they have doneor have said, like what's been said. It's not bad if you don't crack those dirty jokes everywhere you go, but you can say one every now and then. Don't take this joking to far and you should be ok.
-I'm the type of person that doesn't really care about anything in a person. You can from any country and I still don't mind. Everyone is a person to me, no matter what their beliefs are. ^w^" Except the first sentence of the second paragraph, that's when someone just gets annoying. >.>
Posted by: yonigle Jan 11 2013, 12:44 AM
I really enjoyed reading all the replies. I have a quite dirty mind myself, so my opinion would be biased.
Posted by: xXxTheUnknownxXx Jan 14 2013, 02:25 AM
how else would we know how to reproduce
I totally agree to that no matter how pious you are knowing these kind of stuff is inevitable..
Here's my opinion,being dirty minded is rather normal but a perv who skit up girls skirt is unacceptable
the lewdness need to have a line that cannot be crossed.
The important part is being civilized even with that kind of thinking
Posted by: Shadebluhart Feb 4 2013, 12:38 PM
I myself have a dirty mind. If I walk into school and someone says something and I happen to be nearby, I always call out, "If you know what I mean." or "THAT'S WHAT SHE SAID!". Sometimes people find it really funny and we joke about it, but it can get out of hand. I've shouted those things once or twice in a classroom, teachers and kids everywhere. But when I DO shout stuff out like that, they all look up, even the most disgusting kids, and start snickering about it. The teachers, however, do not find it very funny. But, its me. I cant help my personality, but yes, I agree. It is sometimes annoying.
Posted by: Reapehify Feb 8 2013, 03:46 AM
You people, the people who have posted almost unanimously that there is a line to be crossed, have really made the idea of being a pervert 'normal' - which is sickening. And by normal, which is a very ambiguous word in and of itself, I mean acceptable by the majority of society and fitting in with the status quo. Being a pervert is not good or bad and not, at least personally without forcing myself on everyone, so mild as to be just thinking dirty thoughts but unacceptable if you per se looked up a lady's skirt. Being a pervert is intentionally lewd and to the point out there because it isn't 'normal' for society to be perverted. You could also think of the word 'perverted' as 'twisted' or 'inverted' (which are synonyms) because that's what perverted is.
People who claim to be perverted but think there is a line to be crossed are simply posers and wannabe. There's no other way to say it, and if you're offended by that, the truth hurts. Talk to me after you've done something crazy like masturbated on a plane because you couldn't keep it down for that hot guy/girl in the seat beside you, or when you've done the cliche hide-in-the-locker-to-watch-girls-get-naked-and-then-steal-their-soiled-panties.
Edit: And mentions of phrases like "That's what she said" or anything immature like that, even sporadically, is not perverted. It's just childish.
Posted by: Fiesta Larvesta Feb 8 2013, 05:24 AM
People who claim to be perverted but think there is a line to be crossed are simply posers and wannabe. There's no other way to say it, and if you're offended by that, the truth hurts. Talk to me after you've done something crazy like masturbated on a plane because you couldn't keep it down for that hot guy/girl in the seat beside you, or when you've done the cliche hide-in-the-locker-to-watch-girls-get-naked-and-then-steal-their-soiled-panties.
Edit: And mentions of phrases like "That's what she said" or anything immature like that, even sporadically, is not perverted. It's just childish.
I'm pretty sure the idea of perversion is much broader than a few synonyms.. not everyone would really class it as that. If it deviates from the social norm then people would call it 'perverted'.
No-one was really implying that being a pervert is normal. It's nature. The only reason some people have said 'there's a line', is towards what should be considered right and what should be considered wrong (like myself) No-one was trying to insinuate that this line, is a line which makes perversion seem normal, or that it should be, merely stating what is considered okay and not okay in public. But then again it depends on what someone would class as 'perversion'.
I personally think that the claim in the first 2 lines of your post is rather.. inaccurate, and that the entire post comes across to me as "look at me I'm the perfect citizen I don't do anything wrong and human behaviour disgusts me to the point of claiming children on a forum have made the word 'pervert' seem normal"
Posted by: Reapehify Feb 8 2013, 07:15 AM
Before I continue, I would like to state a few things. (1) I have both masturbated on an airplane and done the cliche locker room thing. I've also had quite a few discussions with many different counselors and psychologists from different areas ranging from high school, to university, to public, to private marriage counselors. I'm not bragging, just saying I take an interest in the subject. (2) Stating before it's stated for me that I'm uptight and offensive: that's the honesty. (3) Next, after rereading all the posts so I could make a fair assessment of the thread, the whole context of the thread is about innuendos and sex jokes as the defining point to what a 'perve' is. The number one word used to describe the situation is "annoying" and the consensus by the majority is that there is an unacceptable line to be crossed. (4) Also, I'd just like to point out that my post is actually the exact opposite of what you recognized about it. It's saying: 'You people talk about filth like you understand it and embrace it but then you intentionally backtrack and say that there is both a line people can cross which isn't moral and that childish phrases like "That's what she said" or "69" count as a perverted mind, leaving the whole concept watered down and trivialized for those who are debauched and perverted'. (5) Lastly, one person who I forget the name of said everyone is a pervert because they reproduce; that idea is rather ignorant as erotica/intimacy/mating isn't necessarily perverted in its entirety as the word 'pervert' is a verb it's an action as opposed to a concept. Although like most things, it could of course be defined as a concept.
To start yes, I would agree that perversion isn't so acute to have symptoms, however I think it's a bit misguided to say that branching off from social norm means something is perverted just because people call it perverted. Especially in a contemporary society where sex is the current form of entertainment and advertisement, you'd be hard pressed to find somewhere in Western society where someone didn't have a 'normal' opinion of what 'pervert' means. This thread is a perfect example of the desensitization to perverted acts. The typical red-blooded first world citizen walks around thinking 'yeah, I'm a pervert, but x is going way too far'. I would agree that it used to be that clear cut (that anything not accepted was perverted), but life today is different.
You're right, nobody implied anything. Everyone was very explicit and straightforward: 'those perverts need to stop telling sex jokes all the time because they're so God damned annoying and I don't wanna' talk to 'em.' The fact is 99% of the people who posted here agreed on the same principals and noted the same dilemmas and not one broke face. The thing about this is, these people are not following nature they're following the status quo - which is that 'being a pervert is okay, everyone's a pervert; but don't do something taboo like grope a woman in public'. Nature has very few acts of indecency, dolphins and primates. And unlike them we're trained from an early age to behave, fit in line, and not to do x, y, z so as to follow conventions set forth a typical person well trained to fit in society.
To sum up, when you tell a dirty joke in grade 2, that's not perverted. Try going into the girl's bathroom to peep on girls or something along those lines that's extremely offensive, then you're a pervert. Being a pervert is never right, it is always wrong; being right (or morally feasible) is a convention of society thinking being a pervert is attractive so it is assimilated into the culture, i.e. entertainment and advertisement and dirty jokes. Full circle.
Oh, and I like your Volcerona signature, it's neat. 
Posted by: Fiesta Larvesta Feb 8 2013, 07:57 AM
To start yes, I would agree that perversion isn't so acute to have symptoms, however I think it's a bit misguided to say that branching off from social norm means something is perverted just because people call it perverted. Especially in a contemporary society where sex is the current form of entertainment and advertisement, you'd be hard pressed to find somewhere in Western society where someone didn't have a 'normal' opinion of what 'pervert' means. This thread is a perfect example of the desensitization to perverted acts. The typical red-blooded first world citizen walks around thinking 'yeah, I'm a pervert, but x is going way too far'. I would agree that it used to be that clear cut (that anything not accepted was perverted), but life today is different.
You're right, nobody implied anything. Everyone was very explicit and straightforward: 'those perverts need to stop telling sex jokes all the time because they're so God damned annoying and I don't wanna' talk to 'em.' The fact is 99% of the people who posted here agreed on the same principals and noted the same dilemmas and not one broke face. The thing about this is, these people are not following nature they're following the status quo - which is that 'being a pervert is okay, everyone's a pervert; but don't do something taboo like grope a woman in public'. Nature has very few acts of indecency, dolphins and primates. And unlike them we're trained from an early age to behave, fit in line, and not to do x, y, z so as to follow conventions set forth a typical person well trained to fit in society.
To sum up, when you tell a dirty joke in grade 2, that's not perverted. Try going into the girl's bathroom to peep on girls or something along those lines that's extremely offensive, then you're a pervert. Being a pervert is never right, it is always wrong; being right (or morally feasible) is a convention of society thinking being a pervert is attractive so it is assimilated into the culture, i.e. entertainment and advertisement and dirty jokes. Full circle.
Oh, and I like your Volcerona signature, it's neat.
That's fair enough. I agree with this more than the other one (probably because it's more detailed) xp
Posted by: Reapehify Feb 8 2013, 08:11 AM
Yeah, I take pride in being a pervert, asshole, and general rabble-rouser. Glad you agree! Glad I could put my university education to good use (protecting the definition of a pervert! XD).
Posted by: ShiroMint Feb 18 2013, 02:25 AM
I think perversion is something everyone exhibits at least once in life. Even the most straight-edge people drift a little. We're a species meant for reproduction and most perversions revolve around this. If anything, it's just natural.
Posted by: Kontrazent Apr 13 2013, 10:01 AM
There is nothing wrong about to have a dirty mind
in a relationship it can bring some creativity
(would be lame to have a repetitive sex life)
but like the others pointed out, a 'dirty mouth' is not really acceptible, at worst its sexual harassment
its mostly better to keep it private.
Posted by: VioletLove70 Jul 28 2015, 09:42 PM
I really hate to casually call someone a pervert, as I don't see it as a term to be used lightly. There's a difference between being a pervert and just being dirty minded. A dirty minded person thinks of inappropriate jokes at the worst times, and is comfortable flirting a little dirty with someone they're attracted to. A pervert does not take into mind the emotions of the other person, and is focused on their personal satisfaction. If you tell a dirty minded person to back off of flirting with you, they probably will. A pervert, however, might not. Pervs don't care about others needs, and will do most whatever it takes to get their own satisfaction. They will not hesitate to break the boundaries of society to do that.
As for if having a dirty mind is good or bad, well, mine has a way of getting me in trouble sometimes. But would I rather be completely and utterly innocent? Not really. Dirty minds are okay. Pervs are not.
My advice to other dirty minds: unless you're with your other half or a friend who doesn't mind hearing it, keep your dirty thoughts to yourself.
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