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Interfaith Discussion, Where we can discuss our beliefs and the reasons we have for them
Gryphaena
post Jul 18 2016, 03:02 AM
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This topic has been approved by Admin Jen who says if there are any attacks on anyone's beliefs in this thread they need to be reported to the Moderators.

I can hope that this can be a place where learning about other faiths/beliefs and civil discussions occur.


In my case, I am raised Catholic and currently trying to figure out if I really am so.

I do not know a whole lot despite being Confirmed.

I suggest searching for the Catholic Answers website if you have questions about Catholicism.

I have a sister and a brother in law who are Conservative Jews and an aunt who I think might be an East Asian religion (judging by the shrine-looking statue in a significant area of her house).


I believe God exists because the Saints have attested to that.


Edit: More of my beliefs

Since I believe God exists, that means there are also good angels and bad angels.

I can pray to my Guardian Angel or to the Saints or the Virgin Mary to ask for help in things.

Sometimes I'll find pennies or other change made in a year that someone I knew died in so I'll say "Thank you lolo." or "Thank you lola."

Lolo and lola mean grandfather and grandmother in Tagalog.

I really like Saint Maria Faustina Kowalska and how she is the Apostle of Divine Mercy.

I have her Diary and have read parts of it.

I want to spread mercy and let other people know Divine Mercy is the greatest attribute of God.

So I try to be good to everyone around me but I have some trauma with my parents so I still need to forgive them.

I also have some of my dad's temper, so I can get really mad at times.

As a Christian I am supposed to forgive.


2nd Edit: I realized I forgot to put WHY I think the way I do.

I've been raised to be Catholic so it is really all I know but I am willing to learn about both my "home religion" and other faiths.


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Bonnie Clyde
post Jul 18 2016, 03:24 AM
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Hmm... let's see here...

I guess to start off with I'll say that I used to identify as Christian. Even though I've only been to church a few times throughout my entire life, God was still talked about every once in a while when I was little and I had never heard anything about other religions, so I once though that it was a fact that He existed. Eventually I realized that there was another choice: that you could believe that He wasn't real (still unaware at this point of other options). Though I continued to believe he was real since that's just how it seemed to be with how people talked about it.

But in recent years with my realization of how indifferent I am on so many topics, I began to notice that I was also indifferent on whether or not God existed. I must say that I believe that there could be one, but also that I believe that there could just as likely not be.

A while back I just kind of thought "what proof is there of God existing" and "what proof is there of God not existing" and it seems there's not really much on either side (if any - but then again I don't really have that much knowledge on this stuff).

Shortly after that is when I noticed that I didn't really care.

So, I currently hold the title of "agnostic".


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post Jul 18 2016, 11:29 AM
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@Bonnie Clyde: Interesting. I recently learned that one of my brothers is atheist. May I ask what would convince you to become a theist or atheist?


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post Jul 18 2016, 04:10 PM
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QUOTE(Gryphaena @ Jul 18 2016, 11:29 AM) *
@Bonnie Clyde: Interesting. I recently learned that one of my brothers is atheist. May I ask what would convince you to become a theist or atheist?
Well, I'm not quite sure what the whole difference is between "atheist" and "agnostic", but I think "atheist" is closer to disbelief in God while "agnostic" is more like "there's not really any way for us to tell if there is one or not".
So I wouldn't quite say I'm "atheist" (and I don't think I'd really become one) as there could likely be some sort of entity or something out there.
But anyways, the reason why I decided to be agnostic is generally just no interest in religion and not really seeing a point in it. Like I said, I'm very indifferent on many things.
And just random things that I don't really agree with/understand the point of.
Like the dispute between "creationism" and "the big bang theory" or whatnot. It's not like there's really any way for us to tell/know what exactly happened really.
And basically the entire Bible. I get that there's some good things to follow in there (and that they should be done regardless of whether or not you're religious), but people use it to back up what God wants of us - when in reality, who created the Bible? People - just God's followers. They made up what they thought God would want, so who knows what He actually wants?

I guess another way I could explain why I'm agnostic would be that religion is all about believing in a certain thing, but I just don't see the point in it. There's no proof, and what do you get out of it? People could say that so you can go to Heaven, but how do we know that it exists? Or Hell? We don't know what happens after we die, we could go to Heaven or Hell, or we could reincarnate, stay on Earth as ghosts/spirits, or simply cease to exist. Who knows?

So I guess that kinda sums up my thoughts. Not sure if I explained it all well, but this is just general points that I've thought about. The part of my being indifferent/not seeing the point I guess is the main focus.
I hope that answers your question. happy.gif


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post Jul 18 2016, 04:22 PM
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Thank you.

So what do you say to people who point to writings of Catholic Saints who have witnessed Heaven, Purgatory and Hell?

Heaven: http://christtotheworld.blogspot.com/2011/...-of-heaven.html

Purgatory: http://aleteia.org/2013/11/01/3-sobering-v...rom-the-saints/

Hell: http://aleteia-imported-en.vip.hmn.md/2013...isions-of-hell/


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QUOTE(Gryphaena @ Jul 18 2016, 04:22 PM) *
Thank you.

So what do you say to people who point to writings of Catholic Saints who have witnessed Heaven, Purgatory and Hell?

Heaven: http://christtotheworld.blogspot.com/2011/...-of-heaven.html

Purgatory: http://aleteia.org/2013/11/01/3-sobering-v...rom-the-saints/

Hell: http://aleteia-imported-en.vip.hmn.md/2013...isions-of-hell/
I'm not really very informed on this kind of stuff, but I guess I would say something along the lines of "how would we know if those visions actually portray what exists".
I mean, someone could imagine something about whatever but then it could end up completely different than how they envisioned.
So things like these being used as proof of Heaven, Purgatory, and Hell existing would still be up to believing. You can either believe that they saw the real thing or something that closely resembles it or you can believe that this could simply how they see it being like.
Unless I misunderstood what exactly these writings are or something, this is my general view on them.


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post Jul 18 2016, 05:10 PM
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Thank you for your perspective, I never thought of that.

My thought is what they have seen is true, but you are free to form and keep your opinion.


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QUOTE(Gryphaena @ Jul 18 2016, 05:10 PM) *
Thank you for your perspective, I never thought of that.

My thought is what they have seen is true, but you are free to form and keep your opinion.
You're welcome. It was nice to kind of put all of my thoughts together as I don't really discuss this stuff much really.
And I respect your choice of opinion as well. Everyone has their own view on things, which is why I don't see why some people hate on other religions (and other things). I mean everybody has different opinions, beliefs, and reasons about everything.

Anyways, this is a pretty good topic to discuss. Seeing others views are really neat. happy.gif


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post Jul 18 2016, 06:14 PM
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I'm glad you like this topic, I thought I'd make it since I think dialogue like this helps us listen and understand other people. :]


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post Jul 20 2016, 04:45 PM
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Okay, how about a new topic?

Are there people who are in your religious/belief group that you think make the rest of you look bad?

Like the Westboro Baptist Church for example.

I know someone who is a Christian but she has really strong views on homosexuality.

I think I actually heard her refer to gay people as "disgusting" once.

I was stunned and should have said something.


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post Jul 22 2016, 04:52 AM
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(I grew up as a Christian. However, any reference I make about Christianity unrelated to myself refers to all religions that believe in the Bible).

I mimic all of Bonnie Clyde's thoughts. I grew up in a conservative (but not devout) Christian family and I attend a private Christian school so Christianity has been heavily enforced within me. Then I grew up and the whole idea of Jesus and the historical accuracy of the Bible just became really unbelievable to me... now I try to get back into Christianity but I can't bring myself to do it, simply because I don't care. Religion is so sacrosanct and I've always felt guilty about not having an opinion on it, but if Agnostic is a valid title then I'm gonna embrace it for all its worth, if it means I don't need to think about religion.

That being said, I love Christianity. The idea of forgiveness and interpreting the world's dirtiness as the 'plan of God' is just really beautiful and is a great way to live. That sort of mindset makes hate dissipate, really... I'd love to get back into Christianity but I just feel like being Christian way of life isn't really for me. I'm quite happy accepting that we'll all just cease to exist. (But tbh reincarnation sounds cool)

As for your other question, any Christian who thinks less of another person for who they are is not a Christian. They're definitely a primary reason why I am so thrown off Christianity...

My school is a devout Christian school and always holds remembrances (even like a school-wide minute of silence or whatever) for tragic events like those attacks in France a few months back. But the recent Pulse shootings were barely mentioned at our school and I cannot understand why. Was it not the second biggest terrorist attack in modern American history since 9/11? I can't imagine why it would not be acknowledged except for the school just being homophobic. I really hope there is another reason why.


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post Jul 22 2016, 07:15 AM
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Thank you for participating in the discussion, Indigo chan! :]

I'm glad there can be appreciation for the Christian way of life even if a person isn't Christian themselves.

That is interesting that your school didn't acknowledge the attack at Pulse, I'm sure the students saw the news reports on it.



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I'm an atheist, but I personally find Sikhism super interesting.
Specifically something they call The Five Ks, which are five things all Sikh must wear.

1. Kesh: uncut hair
2. Kangha: a wooden comb (For putting their hair into a bun)
3. Kara: a metal bracelet (Historically, sometimes featured spikes and were used as knuckle dusters)
4. Kachera: a specific style of cotton undergarments (Basically look like drawstring boxer style underwear. Were meant so Sikh were never "caught with their pants down" and always ready to fight, even in just their undergarment.)
5. Kirpan: a strapped straight sword (In Sikh teaching, the Kirpan was meant as a weapon to defend those who could not defend themselves. In modern time, due to weapon laws some Sikh carry a small ceremonial dagger instead.)


Sikh also wear turbans to cover their Kesh and Kangha.
Unfortunately this means they're often mistaken for Muslims and much like Muslims, receive undue harassment.


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post Jul 31 2016, 11:10 PM
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Interesting, I think I'll learn about it in my World Religions class that starts later this month.

Thank you for participating in my thread!


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This is a copy/paste of what I posted somewhere else. Note that since I posted this, I have been told why only some get sent to Earth and not everyone. Some people actually come voluntarily to help others. (why Earth even exists is still a mystery to me; probably to everyone)

Earth is not our real life. It's akin to a simulation.
The name of our real planet is Cerri. It's not an afterlife, because we were born there before we came to earth. However, not everyone even goes to earth; there's not nearly enough space for all of us. Why Earth even exists and how who gets sent here is determined, I have no clue. I'm not sure anybody knows.

Cerri isn't a place with no problems. There's no such thing as a place without difficulties. It just doesn't have pointless problems that Earth has. People don't die at home. If they sustain too much injury, they go into a coma that they inevitably wake up from. How long the coma lasts depends on the kind of injury they received.

Age and gender are wrong as Earth understands them. Age has nothing to do with how many years you've been alive. I'm not talking about the adults that say "I'm a kid at heart" because they collect plushies and watch Disney movies. I mean that someone's mind and body can literally stop developing at a certain time. I stopped developing around 12-14. Also, males and females don't have physical differences at home. Each individual is given a body that matches their soul. Gender is just an aura related to vague mannerisms that everyone picks up on. We don't have genitals at home; there's a small hole where the part between your legs is on earth. There are trans* people on earth because earth gave them the wrong type of body and earth associates gender with body type.

We're a lot faster, stronger, and have better senses all around at home. It's not unusual for an athlete to be able to jump over several-story buildings. We can also eat a lot more at home, and there's no such thing as gaining or losing weight because your body's condition is permanent; it's one that matches your soul.

It's not always peace, but there aren't sadistic psychopaths who hurt people for pleasure. Every organization fights for a cause and legitimately wants to help people. Some of them are just misguided. Think Archie and Maxie from RSE/ORAS.

There are confirmed aliens. Cerri isn't the only planet. The Empyrean Council is one of the oldest groups of aliens. On the subject of age, people don't have wrinkles. Those who continue to mature past 30-40 will still have a body that looks around the range. There are people and other species members who are hundreds of years old.

There are guardians who watch over each country. Some countries on earth like Scotland and Egypt also exist on Cerri, and they have countries not on earth like one called Serenity. Each country has its own language.

It's impossible to lose a limb or suffer any other disgusting earth condition or disfigurement.

Those are the basics.


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post Aug 6 2016, 06:43 AM
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Interesting, I've never heard of the planet Cerri.

If Earth life is a simulation, does that mean what we do here doesn't matter?


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I wouldn't say it doesn't matter, since specific people come here for reasons like helping others. I don't have an explanation for what purpose babies that are miscarried or not here for very long have, but I've been wondering about that so I'll ask soon if I remember to.

I don't know my own reason for coming here, so for now I'm along for the ride until my time here is up or Earth ends.




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@DJ Majja Kool: May I ask if your religion has a name?

You are the first person I have met with your beliefs.


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post Dec 16 2016, 11:33 AM
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I hope everyone who celebrates holidays in December stays safe!

Happy Solstice, Christmas, Hanukkah, Kwanzaa and other celebrations in advance!


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I think I'll go with the Church of Cybertron.

I love Transformers, always have since G1 and consider them our superior race and love the stories of Primus and Unicron! cat.gif


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