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[ninjacookie]

Is it right to eat the meat of other living creatures or is it wrong? And what are your thoughts on these subjects;

Are fish considered meat?

What about plants, don't they live and breath as well?

Is a vegan diet unhealthy or healthier?

What about animals that eat meat in their diets? Like cats dogs and snakes?

Should a persons diet be a personal choice?

Is killing for meat cruel?

What about people with allergies or those who can't afford synthetic meats?



Personally I went vegan for a year when I was 16 and became very ill. Many of friends were trying it and most did fine except for me and one other girl. It got to the point where I couldn't stand and my heart rate was extremely low even though I followed proper nutritional guidelines from many vegan sites. I think it may be my genetics, as all my teeth are very sharp and even my molars are quiet sharp, also I naturally have a lot of muscle even when I don't exercise. I don't eat much meat though as I think over consumption of it is wrong and I am appalled by mass production farming, I usually buy free roam or wild caught meats. I had to stop eating soy last year though as I developed an allergy to it. But almond milk is delicious and doesn't bloat me at all.

However I admire Vegans. If you can stay healthy on a vegan diet then thats great. But I think the vegans who try to force it onto others and down talk you for eating meat are misguided.

[Cassowary]

Is it right to eat the meat of other living creatures or is it wrong? And what are your thoughts on these subjects;
It's not really a matter of "right" or "wrong." We've evolved as omnivores, so meat is naturally a part of our diets. It's simply a fact of life.

Are fish considered meat?
Yes. Meat = animal parts, the fleshy bits (muscle, organs, etc.)

What about plants, don't they live and breath as well?
We eat them too. At least, we're supposed to.

Is a vegan diet unhealthy or healthier?
It really depends on a person's lifestyle and health.

What about animals that eat meat in their diets? Like cats dogs and snakes?
What of them? They simply can't survive on an all-vegetable diet, that's just plain cruel. They should get to eat what they need to eat.

Should a persons diet be a personal choice?
Yes. Doesn't mean I won't laugh about their personal choices though.

Is killing for meat cruel?
Killing in itself, no. It's more a matter of how the animal is raised and the manner of its death. It should be raised in a decent environment and killed with the minimum of stress and pain.

What about people with allergies or those who can't afford synthetic meats?
With allergies to meat? Avoid it. Can't afford synth meat? Don't eat it.

[Chemical Hound]

Hell yeah

[Kai Reddtail]

Okay, I'm going to say right now that this is just my opinion. I'm not going to try and shove my ideals down your throat so long as you avoid doing the same to me. I've been a vegetarian for eight years, I've seen where some of these conversations go, and I'm not even really sure if I should be posting here because I usually end up pissed off with these threads. XD

Just had to make sure that little disclaimer was there, but I thought I'd give my input.


Is it right to eat the meat of other living creatures or is it wrong?

I believe it's wrong. We can survive and live a healthy life without killing other creatures, so I think we should.

Are fish considered meat?

Forgive me, but I'm very tired of people who say "Vegetarians can still eat fish." Of course it's meat. There are two main kingdoms in this world: plant and animal. Fish are in the animal group.

What does everyone think it is, swimming broccoli?

What about plants, don't they live and breath as well?

Plants have no consciousness, they do not feel pain. Also, we can't live without eating plants, you can live without eating meat.

Is a vegan diet unhealthy or healthier?

Vegan? Well, I'm still undecided on that. Still doing my research.

Vegetarian? I would say it may be slightly healthier or just as healthy. I think since vegetarians have to pay more attention to their diets we may be healthier just for the fact that we usually have to think more about what we eat.

What about animals that eat meat in their diets? Like cats dogs and snakes?

This is the kind of food they need to be healthy. There isn't really any other viable alternative. So that's what they should eat.


Should a persons diet be a personal choice?

Well, I believe it is. And what I mean by that is, I'm not going to force you to adopt my ethics and morals and I expect the same. But I do believe people shouldn't eat meat.

Is killing for meat cruel?

Yes, especially with our current slaughter practices.

What about people with allergies or those who can't afford synthetic meats?

You don't need to eat synthetic meats as a vegetarian. If you eat right, you can get everything you need without synthetics.


If you really cannot live a healthy life without meat, then don't. If humans couldn't live a healthy life without eating meat, I wouldn't be a vegetarian. But the fact that we can live healthy without it makes it unnecessary for other animals to die.

That's what I think. Don't kill me.

This post has been edited by Kai Reddtail: May 28 2009, 03:01 PM

[King Calamity]

its perfectly natural to eat meat
we were just lucky when the design for humans was made to be omnivors but all animals have certain designs in their teeth according to what theyre suppose to eat. carnivors all have sharp teeth so that they can tear meat to swallow it, herbivors all have flat teeth so that they can grind up plants, and omnivors have both flat and sharp teeth in order to eat both. we were made to eat meat and vegetables so why not?

and of course fish is meat. i dont know where that whole idea came from but whoever said it first is in some kind of denial ive never seen before

This post has been edited by The Enigmatic Trainer: May 28 2009, 03:49 PM

[Ruusu]

I have nothing against vegetarians, it's their own choice. People can do whatever they want with their lives, if it just makes them happy, that's what I think.

However I don't really support vegetarianism. In this century it's just impossible, that the whole humanrace starts to eat only food, which doesn't contain meat or isn't animal's production. That's because we would need more land to grow our food, and only that measure would overmatch the land is even exist currently. The dearth on the Earth would grow even more.

This post has been edited by Ruusu: May 28 2009, 04:03 PM

[Eric Smith]

Is it right to eat the meat of other living creatures or is it wrong? And what are your thoughts on these subjects;
I do not believe it is wrong to kill for food. So there for it is not wrong to eat meat. (in my opinion)
Killing for sport is another story.

Are fish considered meat?
Muscle is meat so yes.

What about plants, don't they live and breath as well?
Plants don't have muscle/move around.

Is a vegan diet unhealthy or healthier?
It can be both. But you need the cholesterol. People with higher cholesterol live longer.

What about animals that eat meat in their diets? Like cats dogs and snakes?
For food. It's not wrong.

Should a persons diet be a personal choice?
Absolutely. No one can tell someone else what to eat. Even the government.

Is killing for meat cruel?
No. Everything has to eat sometime.

What about people with allergies or those who can't afford synthetic meats?
Two words. That sucks. I feel sorry for anyone with allergies.
But they can eat what ever they want.

[Cassowary]

People with higher cholesterol live longer.
Lolwut?

[Eric Smith]

Cholesterol is a necessary substance in your body and a % of it is made in your liver.
Both types are in fact healthy. The government just hates to admit it was wrong.

[Pumpkin King]

I would like to become a vegetarian, but I'm unhealthy as it is. I think restricting my diet would expose even more of my skeletal system. I just try not to think about where my food came from. I may become a vegetarian when I'm older when I'm not surrounded by a meat-loving family. I would never go vegan, however. That's just insanity.

[Cassowary]

Yes it's necessary but it's kinda, well, wrong to say that those with higher chol. live longer.

[Thaliel]

I just like meat. I cannot bring myelf to not eating it anymore

[Eric Smith]

Higher than the governments normal.
But extremely high levels do cause heart problems. You can only have so much in your veins...

[Cassowary]

Um, what do you mean by "higher than the governments?" Does the government have a level of cholesterol?

Yeah, I know. I was pointing out that what you said ignored the fact that after a certain point the level of cholesterol is no longer healthy.

[Eric Smith]

Higher than the governments normal.
But extremely high levels do cause heart problems. You can only have so much in your veins...

I meant what the government says is normal...

[Cassowary]

Right then.

I personally feel that its a little odd to not eat meat. Sure, you may not like the taste or can't eat it without lots of bathroom fun, that's fine if you don't eat it then. But not eating meat because of the warm fuzzy feeling you get because you aren't "contributing" to the killing of animals? Uh huh. What about leather? Eggs and milk? Is it just the act of killing itself, or the animal's misery?

[Tiamat]

Pssst, Grovyle: You're missing an apostrophe.

Is it right to eat the meat of other living creatures or is it wrong? And what are your thoughts on these subjects;
Of course it's right. You don't see other meat-eaters (can't say carnivores because we aren't) worrying about it; the main problem is how the animals are treated.

Are fish considered meat?
...Of course it is. DUH. Where did this come from? :/

What about plants, don't they live and breath as well?
They too are delicious and therefore noms.

Is a vegan diet unhealthy or healthier?
Unhealthy~ Without dietary supplements, you would start suffering from B vitamin deficincy, as many are only found in delicious animals, and hey: We're omnivores. We're made for this stuff.

What about animals that eat meat in their diets? Like cats dogs and snakes?
...They're carnivores. They have to. Feeding a cat a vegan diet is giving it a death sentence.

Should a persons diet be a personal choice?
Once again: DUUUUUUH.

Is killing for meat cruel?
No. Treating our future noms like crap is cruel.

What about people with allergies or those who can't afford synthetic meats?
Clarify. When I hear synthetic meat I think petri-dish steak. And those with alleregies should just avoid the noms they're allegic too. Again, DUH.

This post has been edited by Tiamat: May 29 2009, 07:02 AM

[Tess Faulkner]

Is it right to eat the meat of other living creatures or is it wrong?

I personally agree with RheaDark's first post on the matter; there's no right or wrong about it, it just is. That's how the animal kingdom works, and we're part of it, like it or not.

Are fish considered meat?

I can see why some people might not consider them in the same class as say, beef. I mean, a cow has a personality; raise a calf from a baby, it will come when you ring the dinner bell, maybe answer to it's name, I dunno (I never spent that much time around farm animals). Fish, on the other hand? You can't teach them tricks, you can't train them to come when you call them- really, when you have fish, they're more like furniture than pets. I know that there's some guy out there who's trained some of his goldfish to do some pretty cool tricks, but generally speaking, for the vast majority of people, it ain't gonna happen. Despite all that, though, fish are indeed animals, and should be considered meat- so if someone's gonna scratch meat off their menu, fish goes out, too.

What about plants, don't they live and breath as well?

They're living creatures, yes, but they have no brains, no conscious ability to recognize pain or anything. Also, you don't necessarily need to kill a plant to get the edible bits. Some plants, yes, but things like fruit trees, berry bushes, corn and squash and beans?

Is a vegan diet unhealthy or healthier?

That's a toughie- really, it is possible to get all the nutrition you need without actually eating meat, but I'm given to understand it's a lot more difficult. Protein, for instance- we need it, and the best source around for it is meat. I'm not going to say there doesn't exist a plant that can provide it, I'm sure there does, I just don't know any.

What about animals that eat meat in their diets? Like cats dogs and snakes?

Is it really fair to judge a creature that isn't really, ah... sentient? I mean, can a cat, a dog, or a snake weigh it's actions and decide for itself whether an act is good or bad or evil or what have ya? Carnivores need meat to survive. That's just how they are.

Should a persons diet be a personal choice?

Definitely. Within reasonable limits, there is no reason why anyone else should tell you what to eat or what not to eat. Unless, you know, it's your doctor or something.

..and cannibalism is probably not a good personal choice, either.

Is killing for meat cruel?

Depends on the method, doesn't it? I mean, you hear about those farms where they'd drag the sick cows to the slaughter houses and all- that's pretty cool. But done humanely, quickly, with as little pain as possible- there's no reason why it should be called cruel.

What about people with allergies or those who can't afford synthetic meats?

If your allergic to something, you shouldn't eat it. No matter what some fanatic might tell you about how your alternative diet it wrong, it's your life, you don't have to risk it to satisfy some nutcase. Same thing, or something similar, goes if you can't afford something.

[Sarge]

Are fish considered meat? Of course! All animals are made of meat. Just because you're ugly and swim in the sea doesn't mean you're not made out of meat.

What about plants, don't they live and breath as well? Yes, but like fish, they probably don't have much of an intellectual or spiritual life, so I doubt anybody loses sleep over some piece of cabbage.

Is a vegan diet unhealthy or healthier? Unhealthy for our species.

What about animals that eat meat in their diets? Like cats dogs and snakes? Obviously, they should keep eating meat.

Should a persons diet be a personal choice? Absoultely. I would only step in if a person was obviously damaging their body because of their diet.

Is killing for meat cruel? Oh yes, but some methods are less cruel than others. Hint: don't eat veal and don't buy Popeye's chicken. I would never say that killing another being is not cruel - no matter how unintellent they may be, so long as they can feel pain or fear it is cruel; but death is a neccessary part of nature. Unless you'd like to join a very strict monestary, give up all your material possessions, and move into to a temple somewhere, you haven't got a chance in hell of avoiding it. May as well just live with it, that's what I say.

What about people with allergies or those who can't afford synthetic meats? I'm not sure what this question is asking. Obviously you should NEVER put something in your mouth if you're allergic to it. You probably shouldn't even come into close contact with it. Just do whatever is most healthy for your body.

The best way to get over killing stupid defenseless cows for our burgers is to watch a little Discovery Channel. It certainly doesn't seem so cruel when you're watching a pride of six lions rake their claws into an adult buffalo while dragging it down in the mud, suffocating it and disembowling it while its guts are still warm and there may yet be a flicker of life left in its unblinking eyes. Dinner time!

[Eric Smith]

I want to reiterate on the vegan unhealthy part.
Almost all of the vitamins and minerals can be found in plants.
You just need to travel around the world.
Oh, and protein in some legumes (like beans).

Only be vegetarian if you are not lazy about hunting your plants.