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Pokemon for Teens, Should they make darker versions, rated E10+ and/or T?
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post Aug 31 2008, 02:35 PM
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Screw the anime. The colsole games could be darker. I feel like XD could've been darker.

The handhelds not so much. They're good as is.
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They should make it M so the pokemon can have SEX

I donno, I think it'd be cool if they made a seperate game that had more violence... you know, the pokemon bleed when scratched and stuff. And like they could have Pokemon Hunters with Ursaring skin rugs, and stantler head trophies....

Hey that'd be pretty damn cool.
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post Sep 6 2008, 08:17 PM
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Any Pokemon game that goes into the T-rated territory will probably start throwing very Call of Cthulu-ish things into it.

I DON'T WANT TO PLAY A GAME WITH CUTE FUZZY COSMIC HORRORS. crying.gif DARKRAI AND GIRATINA ARE BAD ENOUGH.

Also, Pokemon already have sex. G-rated sex leading to Hot Skitty On Wailord Action.


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post Sep 8 2008, 11:11 AM
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post Sep 15 2008, 03:11 PM
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post Sep 20 2008, 03:09 AM
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Well... it would be "cool" to have pokémon for teens, however, if they make them as stupid and violent as some of you said, the pokémon company would even get sued (by "Americans," you know how they are shift.gif ). But well, the only stuff I can think of pokémon for teens would be Pokémon Special, it would be awesome if they got something better and more violent.


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post Mar 22 2009, 08:26 PM
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I'd like a slightly more mature game.

Not an "M" kind of mature, but just....something where certain story elements are, ya know, a bit more realistic. I'm not sure how to properly explain it, but the ambitions of certain villains aren't very realistic for a "take over the world" storyline.

I'd like to see a pokemon game with a similar maturity to that of a "Tales of" game. Yes, they're made by two completely different companies, but Nintendo can at least try and make their RPGs to be up to the standards the majority of RPGs out there have.

Also, I'm not overly ashamed of playing it in public, but sometimes I want to punch my peers who dare to snicker at me. They don't know what they're missing, XD.

Also, does anyone remember when Pokemon Stadium came out how some parents were complaining about it encouraging animal abuse? I remember watching that news story and having to reassure my mom that it wasn't like that.

I tell you, any parent who claims the game is bad for their children because of its possibility of animal violence should look at their parenting skills and ask themselves "Hm, have I ever actually told my kid about this and made sure they understood that they're playing a make-believe game and that animals in real life can't do those magical things?".


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post Apr 13 2009, 06:02 PM
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I think a more mature game would be alright, but when I think about it, I really don't want to see a bunch of cute creatures killing each other/being killed by Team Rocket or something.

And yeah, Americans would go ballistic sue-happy because we're stupid like that.
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QUOTE(Saya @ Apr 13 2009, 07:02 PM) *
I think a more mature game would be alright, but when I think about it, I really don't want to see a bunch of cute creatures killing each other/being killed by Team Rocket or something.

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You never played R/B/G/Y, did you? Cubone and Marowak were murdered by Team Rocket for their skulls--implying extreme violence on Team Rocket's part. I'm surprised the main character wasn't truamatized.


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Yeah, I think that pokemon should have some sense of maturity and have a level of violence, but not in a gory sort. It also implies very well that pokemon should be for people that are 10 years of age because, correct me if I am wrong, but I do remember that Dawn (in the series) started out as a trainer when she was 10. I mean wouldn't her mother be really mad, like she could be harrassed at any moment.


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I also think a more mature game would be awesome. It'd be pretty cool if there was a post apoclypse setting or if one of the Teams had taken over the world or something. Not sure what you could do for a plot in the game, but it'd still be pretty darn cool.


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This all reminds me of a flash I want to make. "The Real World of Pokemon" You see a innocent Rattata, bouncing around and nibbling at some grass. After a few moments, a flurry of movement occurs, and he's gone. The next seen shows a Pidgey ripping out it's guts.

Now, I don't know if Pokemon could make the transition too terribly well. It would be interesting, but some of the Pokemon would require some work to look a little more real, if that is the intended goal. I enjoy drawing such ideas, and even coming up how they even coexist in the world. There's a reason why no one sees Charizard flying around, or the more dangerous kinds. Their hunted to keep their numbers down because a flock of fire breathing lizards would NOT be a good thing.


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QUOTE(Elysian Sable @ Apr 17 2009, 08:53 PM) *
This all reminds me of a flash I want to make. "The Real World of Pokemon" You see a innocent Rattata, bouncing around and nibbling at some grass. After a few moments, a flurry of movement occurs, and he's gone. The next seen shows a Pidgey ripping out it's guts.

Now, I don't know if Pokemon could make the transition too terribly well. It would be interesting, but some of the Pokemon would require some work to look a little more real, if that is the intended goal. I enjoy drawing such ideas, and even coming up how they even coexist in the world. There's a reason why no one sees Charizard flying around, or the more dangerous kinds. Their hunted to keep their numbers down because a flock of fire breathing lizards would NOT be a good thing.


Pidgey isn't a carnivore, though. The beak's the wrong shape; they have seed-eater beaks. You've have better luck with Spearow or Ekans, maybe even a Meowth. And I only say Spearow because I think they were mentioned as eating Magikarp.

But besides that, everything indicates that in the Pokemon world, people and Pokemon coexist pretty well. And even then, the predator-prey relationships would be different--if mice could electrocute hawks, and people control Pokemon that can crush your skull with a thought, there would be drastically different hunting patterns, and only the craziest would attack people for food.


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post May 12 2009, 11:01 PM
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While a more mature game might be kind of cool, I actually think they already do a good enough job of putting a more mature theme in the manga (i.e. Archie murdered Maxie).

I don't really see what, though, they could do to make the games more mature. You've got breeding, you've got underage gambling, Pokemon grave sites, and in FireRed/LeafGreen a Cubone's mother was actually killed by Team Rocket. If you want, you could even go as far as comparing Rare Candies to drugs, but that's kind of borderlining on silly and really just more for the laughs.

They've already put so much into these games, it's not exactly surprising that the characters have such a simplistic dialogue.

The anime, though. . . yeah, the anime leaves a lot to be desired, namely this season.
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I would love to see more grown up pokemon shows and games. Speaking as one of the adults from the original target group, we all felt pretty abandoned when pokemon didn't decide to grow up with us and the younger kids who we thought were lame started picking it up. shakefist.gif

Really though, I would love to see some more grown-up pokemon stuff.
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What we need is the old Team Rocket. They freaking killed stuff.

Also this. Mostly because I miss James. blargagh.gif

James says I'm right and he should be around a lot more.

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First of all, I have to say I don't feel ashamed at all that I play Pokemon, and I'm pretty sure I'm a fair bit older than most of the folks posting in this thread -- I'll be 22 in Sept. Also, my fiance' will be 32 in Sept as well. My little brother who is 14 also plays.

The thing is, who gives a rats butt what anyone thinks of you for liking Pokemon?

And why make it more dark and violent? One of the cool things about Pokemon, in my opinion, is the naivety of the world. The innocence really adds something to it.

and to be honest, I'm a softy and I hate the idea of my Pokemon actually dying.

I guess it *could* be cool, and I can see it being a pretty neat idea. But then again, I'd like to see a Pokemon MMO, and I think that would be teen orientated, too.

I'm sort of on both sides of the argument, but irregardless, I don't think anyone should be ashamed for liking what they like. All of my friends and family know I play Pokemon and am seriously addicted to it, and most of them think it's cute and quirky.

Heck, I play World of WarCraft a lot, too, and my entire guild used to give me crap when we'd run instances and stuff and be like "Now, Ittsy, put down Pikachu and come be a good little tank..."

I dunno, I just don't think you guys should be embarassed. Just because something you like is popular with the younger crowd doesn't mean it's bad. It just means that we loved Pokemon when we were young, and it has staying power.


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I voted no. Pokemon is violent enough (it's basically virtual dogfighting, for goodness sakes), and there are at least half a dozen mentions of the deaths of both humans and Pokemon in the games and the show.

I don't even understand the logic that making it all GRIMDARK would somehow make it more suitable for an adult to play. Is it just for the bragging right of "derp derp my games got BLOOD AND GORE," or what...?

I don't know. I play quite a lot of violent, M-rated and T-rated games (No More Heroes, the Metal Gear Solid series, Bully, etc) along with a slew of casual, kid-friendly games because I enjoy them. Shouldn't it be more about how much you enjoy a game than how much adult content it has?


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Reading through this topic, I've only seen the manga mentioned like once or twice, but not elaborated on. Kinda makes me sad, the manga is *exactly* what the topic is talking about

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NO, pokemon has always been for Everyone for a reason. It keeps fans and keeps bringing new ones in. The closest you will get in the pokemon colossium for Gamecube.


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Lol @ Stantler trophies and Ursaring skin rugs. (I am aware of how old the post was.)

I think that the hand-held games are heading in that direction, anyway. I thought that Cyrus getting snatched up and the Lake Spirits being strapped to those machines was pretty hardcore given Pokemon's hand-held storyline history. I mean, R/B/Y mentioned that the Marowak was killed, but you never saw it happen. Now, you are actually getting to see things happen in the games.

Also, if you read the Canalave Library books, they speak of a man killing innocent Pokemon and how people actually eat Magikarp. That's far more realistic/mature than the past.

As far as violence is concerned, the Dark types should be more serious and violent. Their type implies that they are that way, so they should at least look like it. A teen version would be pretty cool, if it employed such things.

I think that it could end up being a bit more teen-ish also because the original fanbase has matured. I don't see too many younger children playing pokemon anymore. They're falling for the knock-off shows. At least, that's what I'm seeing in my area.

Hey, you never know. Maybe Gen. V will step a bit further in the mature/dark direction with the style of pokemon for that region.

TL;DR - Yes, as a separate sale. It'll bring in more people to add to the fanbase. The lighter storylines can and must still be sold to make more money, though.

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