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Hisashi Shoutai
post Jun 15 2008, 10:03 PM
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weeeeee.. I was looking for a topic to start a thread... =D

Now, Evolution Theory or God?
wich do u believe in?

I wanna See some opinions before I post mine,so I can see the level of the discussion... =]

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post Jun 15 2008, 10:06 PM
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Evolution, it's scientific and what most people go for. I've never believed in creation, even at an early age. Doesn't mean God can't exist.

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Hisashi Shoutai
post Jun 15 2008, 10:14 PM
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not questioning whether God exists or not, just the theory u believe in...

I thought U would post something a lot bigger... T__T

anyway...
I believe in God and His Theory... I was raised that way and It allways made sense to me...
I cant really manage tosee humans evolving from monkeys...

And if we did, why dont we see monkeys turninng into people nowadays?
I believe in Evolution cuz Ive seen proof of it, and I like it...
But, i dont believe we came to be BECAUSE of evolution... I think Evolution came to be because of us... =x



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post Jun 15 2008, 10:18 PM
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QUOTE(Shoutai @ Jun 15 2008, 11:14 PM) *
not questioning whether God exists or not, just the theory u believe in...

I thought U would post something a lot bigger... T__T

anyway...
I believe in God and His Theory... I was raised that way and It allways made sense to me...
I cant really manage tosee humans evolving from monkeys...

And if we did, why dont we see monkeys turninng into people nowadays?
I believe in Evolution cuz Ive seen proof of it, and I like it...
But, i dont believe we came to be BECAUSE of evolution... I think Evolution came to be because of us... =x

It's what I got. tongue.gif

I wasn't raised in a religious household. My mother does pray everyday (or does Savaa or that weird Indian stuff) but she never forced religion on us. My brother is an atheist. In fact, my whole family believes in the Evolution/Darwinian theory because it is scientific, it fits in the puzzle of life and it makes sense, basically. My mom says that God created evolution, I think it was coincidence, as does my brother.

That is because evolution has stopped, for now. Evolution isn't something that happens instantly, it takes centuries to evolve something. We will probably evolve in the centuries to come. Otherwise we are staying more or less the same.

Evolution didn't come to be because of us. It was there before humans, and it helped shape the animals we have now.

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post Jun 15 2008, 10:30 PM
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what u say does make sense... U seem to know quite a lot about the subject...

But... i really dont believe in coincidences... They happen WAY too much around for me to believe it doesnt have a meaning...
and I found a meaning in God's theory... not to mention I dont really see a purpose for us being alive on Earth looking at us through the evolution theory... do u?


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post Jun 15 2008, 10:34 PM
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QUOTE(Shoutai @ Jun 15 2008, 11:30 PM) *
what u say does make sense... U seem to know quite a lot about the subject...

But... i really dont believe in coincidences... They happen WAY too much around for me to believe it doesnt have a meaning...
and I found a meaning in God's theory... not to mention I dont really see a purpose for us being alive on Earth looking at us through the evolution theory... do u?

Naah, I pick it up from forums and National Geographic.

Why not? Coincidences don't have meaning, they can change things though. Whether you like it or not.

Life doesn't have to have a meaning. Nothing does, actually. We just created purposes and meanings for them so we can comprehend with them. There is no purpose for us. We're here as human beings, we create our own purpose.


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post Jun 16 2008, 08:55 AM
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I duno...
I think we all have a purpose.. Of course... we have to search for it...
But were not here for no reason...

I believe the Biggest Evolution there is, is the Interior one...


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post Jun 16 2008, 09:39 AM
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QUOTE(Shoutai @ Jun 16 2008, 09:55 AM) *
I duno...
I think we all have a purpose.. Of course... we have to search for it...
But were not here for no reason...

I believe the Biggest Evolution there is, is the Interior one...

That's the same thing the Bible seller told us when she came to our house today. tongue.gif

Interior evolution? You mean like our organs and what not? Those did evolve as our appearances did.


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post Jun 16 2008, 09:52 AM
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I believe in both.

I was raised Catholic, went to catholic school, still do. My old school was stupid/moronic and claimed Darwin was a complete retard and his theory was bullshit. My high school is MORE Catholic and BELIEVES in the theory. It's been proven it exists. God exists. God created evolution to create humans. We are God's greatest creation. It is what Catholics believe.


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post Jun 16 2008, 09:56 AM
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QUOTE(Fallen Archangel @ Jun 16 2008, 10:52 AM) *
I believe in both.

I was raised Catholic, went to catholic school, still do. My old school was stupid/moronic and claimed Darwin was a complete retard and his theory was bullshit. My high school is MORE Catholic and BELIEVES in the theory. It's been proven it exists. God exists. God created evolution to create humans. We are God's greatest creation. It is what Catholics believe.

That's what my mom believes too. happy.gif I think it makes sense, but I guess I can't really believe that God created evolution. Although it seems plausible, since God always has the possibility of existing, whether people deny it or not.
Schools that only recognize creation are usually the worst. pinch.gif My old school was religious, but it taught pupils about creationism and evolution. How both can coexist together.


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post Jun 16 2008, 09:58 AM
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no... akane...
interior evolution I mean Mind...
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post Jun 16 2008, 09:59 AM
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QUOTE(Shoutai @ Jun 16 2008, 10:58 AM) *
no... akane...
interior evolution I mean Mind...
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The human brain evolving? Yeah, it has... you need to be more specific. walloftext.gif


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post Jun 16 2008, 11:16 AM
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hmm...

Spiritual evolution...
Becoming a better person to reach enlightment..(think i spelled it wrong)...
Ghandi said something of the sort didnt he?


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post Jun 16 2008, 11:22 AM
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QUOTE(Shoutai @ Jun 16 2008, 12:16 PM) *
hmm...

Spiritual evolution...
Becoming a better person to reach enlightment..(think i spelled it wrong)...
Ghandi said something of the sort didnt he?

Yeah. I don't really think it's part of evolution, though. Maybe metaphorically. I thought we were talking about humans physically evolving/being created?


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i believe in both.

i dont know if my ideas correspond with the catholic church, but i am catholic and i believe that science and religion should fit together. i've been having this argument with some people at skool and they believe that God just created the world and everything in it the way that the Bible explains. i do not take the Bible literally; i think its meant to be taken symbolically. well, some things are to be taken literally, but not all of it, especially not the creation story. evolution is a proven theory and i think God just set the foundations slowly over time.

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post Jun 16 2008, 01:09 PM
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I'm quite moderately agnostic, I'd say, so that's the God part covered. And I also believe in evolution; it's basically been proved and I honestly don't doubt it; I fully agree with the principles of Natural Selection (and I held those beliefs before I even learned about it) and stuff.


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post Jun 16 2008, 01:22 PM
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QUOTE(Captain Douglas Jay Falcon @ Jun 16 2008, 07:09 PM) *
And I also believe in evolution; it's basically been proved and I honestly don't doubt it;


Atualy it hasn't. People have never found a part human - part monkey before (burried of course). Although it is highly likely, there is no scientific evidence to back this up. Its like saying, if you throw thousands of parts of a watch in the air enough times, a watch will eventualy be formed.


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QUOTE(empoleon dynamite @ Jun 16 2008, 02:22 PM) *
QUOTE(Captain Douglas Jay Falcon @ Jun 16 2008, 07:09 PM) *
And I also believe in evolution; it's basically been proved and I honestly don't doubt it;


Atualy it hasn't. People have never found a part human - part monkey before (burried of course). Although it is highly likely, there is no scientific evidence to back this up. Its like saying, if you throw thousands of parts of a watch in the air enough times, a watch will eventualy be formed.

What about the fossils of early humans and Neanderthals? They evolve slowly, you know. And so they may have some monkey-like characteristics (a lot of dark or light shaggy fur), but can walk up straight for the most part. It would be pretty hard to find the body of a Neanderthal anyways. It happens over time. It takes a lot of time. Humans aren't like watches, we are animals, organic and living things. Because we can adapt to new environments, we evolve in order to help us further adapt.

Oh, just read these: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modern_evolutionary_synthesis
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evidence_of_common_descent

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QUOTE(empoleon dynamite @ Jun 16 2008, 02:22 PM) *
QUOTE(Captain Douglas Jay Falcon @ Jun 16 2008, 07:09 PM) *
And I also believe in evolution; it's basically been proved and I honestly don't doubt it;


Atualy it hasn't. People have never found a part human - part monkey before (burried of course). Although it is highly likely, there is no scientific evidence to back this up. Its like saying, if you throw thousands of parts of a watch in the air enough times, a watch will eventualy be formed.
That's irrelevant, considering the above point.

For one thing of proof, the fetus of most organisms are very, very similar, hinting that we all had some sort of common ancestor at one point in time.


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I'd recommend changing the title to "Evolution or Creationalism?". I think it would make more sense. ^_^.gif

Anyways, I'm pretty sure evolution is the more likely path to life. I mean, everything adapts, which has been proven. When there's enough adaption for a particular enviornment, that particular branch of species could be considered a new animal occasionally; evolution. ^_^.gif


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