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Posted by: Sheer Seashell Jul 29 2012, 10:01 PM

This is a place for you to discuss some of the teams you've made or are making, or to discuss the streaks you've gotten in the battle tower!

Got done making the Johto League... including all Gym Leaders, Elite 4, and the Champion... Going to leave Kanto, Hoenn, Sinnoh, and Unova to others...

Posted by: Alex Mercer Jul 30 2012, 08:43 AM

I made a team of nine primal dialgas, in spirit of Mystery Dungeon. x3

I also have three other teams - two are average/above average, and one is weak.

Posted by: Fading Like The Lilac Jul 30 2012, 10:06 AM

I made two Team Fortress 2 themed trainers, one for Soldier and the other for Engineer- The Rawket Lawnchairs and The Golden Wrenches, respectively. They're... okay. They do share quite a few Pokemon in common, and the Latias was added purely for a joke.

Posted by: Giraffe A Laugh Jul 30 2012, 10:11 AM

I've made three teams so far, one is a reference to Jurassic Park, the other two are all shinies, the trainers are shiny hunters, who think that iv's don't matter, just as long as their pokemon shine
they're all meant to be easy to beat, except for the first one, that one should hopefully be medium for most, my next team i'm submitting will have high iv'd pokemon with battle items and stuff

Posted by: eddiexelite Jul 30 2012, 11:14 AM

I've only submitted one team but it didn't really have a point lol. Just the strongest Pokemon I have.
I'm hoping someone submits Frontier Brain themes :3

Posted by: Samoo Jul 30 2012, 11:16 AM

I made a "POWER OF LOVE" team. Sayings from Celine Dion's song

I got boring and made a speedy one too and a couple of others xP I can't wait for this ;a;

Posted by: PokeNOM NOM NOM Jul 30 2012, 11:28 AM

Made a Nomnomnom team.
Mostly with my highest Pokemon, but I tried choosing hungry-looking ones.

It was fun thinking of lines!

Posted by: Esc Jul 30 2012, 12:21 PM

QUOTE(PokeNOM NOM NOM @ Jul 30 2012, 12:28 PM)

Posted by: Mars Adept Enten Jul 30 2012, 01:53 PM

I've submitted an all-Psychic team named Psychic Wonders, and a second team with my Pokémon reps for the GS cast. That one's titled Commanders of the Elements. Might do a team based off of the LP I'm watching right now.

Posted by: Sheer Seashell Jul 30 2012, 02:33 PM

I think it'd be funny if we all made Team Rocket members and the Battle Subway was owned by Team Rocket... but then again, that'd get annoying...

Posted by: regitrio3 Jul 30 2012, 02:39 PM

If only my standard team wasnt my only competent lv100s.

Posted by: Kamikaze Shrub Jul 30 2012, 02:57 PM

I made one team of my strongest Pokemon. Right now I'm working on Eggie and Chedr from DeliciousCinnamon's Vietnamese Crystal LP, as well as my White team. I'm just hatching stuff for IVs right now.

Posted by: Swizzle Jul 30 2012, 05:34 PM

I'm not much of a battler, but I really like the creativity of crafting and submitting these teams. I hope others will appreciate the teams I've made so far, despite the fact that they're probably pretty easy opponents.

Posted by: bijoukaiba Jul 30 2012, 08:43 PM

QUOTE(Kamikaze Shrub @ Jul 30 2012, 03:57 PM)

Posted by: nokrow889 Jul 30 2012, 11:45 PM

i made your mom and your dad teams mainly just a joke on yo momma things and stuff she has very manly sprites and he has a very feminine team i also made a cop team named BLAH all he says is BLAH and then one serious team

Posted by: Late Jul 31 2012, 06:22 AM

Watching Big Bidoof battling trainer named Onedi in Battle Tower which seems to be trainer made by someone here.
Looks like test battle although nothing seems to happen. Boring battle.
Here's a picture:


Tried to search that Swampert using the url seen after swap to see who made that trainer but it says: "You cannot view information on this Pokémon!" Shame...

Posted by: Gambrinous Antiscian Jul 31 2012, 07:23 AM

I just threw together some of my Battle Tower team and submitted that for now. I don't have very many Pokémon with decent stats yet, but it's something I'll work on with a little time and a lot of luck.

Above all else, I aimed for coverage, since that was my team's main selling point in the Battle Tower. IVs leave a lot to be desired on a few of the pokes, but I had nothing better to put in their place in terms of both stats and team synergy. All in all it should perform ok, but it's nothing spectacular.

Posted by: regitrio3 Jul 31 2012, 08:20 AM

QUOTE(Gambrinous Antiscian @ Jul 31 2012, 08:23 AM)

Posted by: Manah Jul 31 2012, 09:17 AM

I've finished sorting my high IV and Lvl 100 pokemon (still need to level a few), now all I need is battle quotes for the trainers. A few type-themed trainers, myself with a few of my favorite pokemon, a high IV eeveelution trainer, and some with all the rest.

Posted by: regitrio3 Jul 31 2012, 09:26 AM

Just out of curiosity, who all is bothering to mess with with stat-buff moves on the theme teams, etc? If it's a lot, I might try Haze support when I can do subway runs, but if not many people are using them I won't bother.

Posted by: Keruso Jul 31 2012, 10:52 AM

looking at my friend recorder, im seeing at least one or two of my friends using the Battle Subway, but when i try it, it tells me that it's still unavailable.......whats going on?

Posted by: Giraffe A Laugh Jul 31 2012, 11:05 AM

QUOTE(Keruso @ Jul 31 2012, 09:52 AM)

Posted by: Alex Mercer Jul 31 2012, 11:29 AM

What's it like? Difficulty level, any amusing trainers so far, etc?

Posted by: Giraffe A Laugh Jul 31 2012, 11:31 AM

QUOTE(Alex Mercer @ Jul 31 2012, 10:29 AM)

Posted by: Alex Mercer Jul 31 2012, 11:40 AM

I'm probably going to get pasted x3 I can take down the NPC trainers. I fare poorly against real teams.

But yeah, looking forward to it.

Posted by: Late Jul 31 2012, 11:44 AM

I've decided my team already but I need to level up one Pokémon and I think I'm also going to take a look at hold items and attacks. My team should be able to win some battles. I mostly rely on speed and have two Pokémon ready that have never had trouble being the first one to attack when I've used Battle Tower. That should help a little. I also took a good look at my Pokémon types. All of my Pokémon have different types. It seems that my team may have troubles with Fighting types. I really hope my team is as good as I think it is

After this team is done, I'll start to make some easier trainers.

Posted by: Alex Mercer Jul 31 2012, 11:47 AM

My general issue is that I need more tanking pokemon. That, and the hard hitters I have often can't survive charging up.

Problem is, I need more Leftovers. Only have one.

Posted by: Samoo Jul 31 2012, 11:55 AM

QUOTE(Giraffe A Laugh @ Jul 31 2012, 05:31 PM)

QUOTE(Alex Mercer @ Jul 31 2012, 10:29 AM)

What's it like? Difficulty level, any amusing trainers so far, etc?

You'll just need to wait and see
I will say, however, that users who like to battle will not be disappointed in the least!

Posted by: regitrio3 Jul 31 2012, 12:15 PM

QUOTE(Giraffe A Laugh @ Jul 31 2012, 12:31 PM)

You'll just need to wait and see

Posted by: Sweetie Bloomaloo Jul 31 2012, 12:28 PM

Can't Wait

And one of my submitted teams lost twice.But then again it was my first submitted team

Posted by: AOPSUser Jul 31 2012, 12:29 PM

My teams have won 2 out of 2 battles!

Let's see how long of a streak I can get.

I'm also curious as to who the first few NPCs will be, as they should be a lot easier than the rest.

Posted by: Big Bidoof Jul 31 2012, 12:39 PM

QUOTE(AOPSUser @ Jul 31 2012, 01:29 PM)

Posted by: Sheer Seashell Jul 31 2012, 01:29 PM

QUOTE(Big Bidoof @ Jul 31 2012, 01:39 PM)

QUOTE(AOPSUser @ Jul 31 2012, 01:29 PM)

My teams have won 2 out of 2 battles!

Let's see how long of a streak I can get.

I'm also curious as to who the first few NPCs will be, as they should be a lot easier than the rest.

Initially, it'll be completely random. After the first little bit though, I have an algorithm to give the easier (as determined by their battle record) trainers first, and progress to the harder ones, yup yup.

Posted by: Mariocool1999 Jul 31 2012, 02:16 PM

I entered my battling team for the battle tower. So far, they only had 1 battle. But they won that!

Posted by: Mars Adept Enten Jul 31 2012, 02:57 PM

None of my teams have been battled yet, but then, I've only submitted 4 so far. I doubt that they'll be easy to defeat, considering I've got quite a few with respectable IVs and good type coverage.

Posted by: Alex Mercer Jul 31 2012, 03:08 PM

QUOTE(Big Bidoof @ Jul 31 2012, 01:39 PM)

QUOTE(AOPSUser @ Jul 31 2012, 01:29 PM)

My teams have won 2 out of 2 battles!

Let's see how long of a streak I can get.

I'm also curious as to who the first few NPCs will be, as they should be a lot easier than the rest.

Initially, it'll be completely random. After the first little bit though, I have an algorithm to give the easier (as determined by their battle record) trainers first, and progress to the harder ones, yup yup.

Posted by: regitrio3 Jul 31 2012, 08:20 PM

I have so much stuff with good IVs, too bad none of them are over lv45.
One team so far but after a bunch of massclicking I should put out a much better one.
Maybe I'll even get fought during the test, who knows.

Posted by: Klaine Jul 31 2012, 08:31 PM

My first and main team has won one battle so far. I'm slightly pleased.

Posted by: Alex Mercer Jul 31 2012, 09:20 PM

I've been submitting some weaker teams. Gotta set the curve somewhere.

Posted by: Pizza Guy111 Jul 31 2012, 09:34 PM

Nah, mine sets the curve already. Lost 3/3 battles.

Posted by: jalern Jul 31 2012, 11:07 PM

I made a team with a mad doctor that talks about reanimating people. Team full of ghosts, 2 steel types and a normal type.
Most of them have poor IV's but it's not made to win, I just like ghost types.

Posted by: Mars Adept Enten Jul 31 2012, 11:40 PM

I doubt anyone will get the references, but I made not one, but two teams based off of the PC/WiiWare game La-Mulana. The first is a reference to the game's mind-scarring Brutal Bonus Level, Hell Temple, and its ability to induce insanity and PTSD in even the strongest gamers' minds. It's mostly more shady types, like Ghost and Dark. I called it 'The Underworlders'. The other team is based off of the bosses from that game, along with Catball, a monster that's Exactly What It Says On The Tin. XD If only we could submit 10 or 11 'mons. Then I could've included Surprise Fish (a fish that, well, surprises you by jumping out of waterfalls) and a Castlevania Bird (annoying birds that dive-bomb you) as well. That one's titled 'Guardians of the Ruins', and has a variety of types.

Posted by: Gambrinous Antiscian Aug 1 2012, 12:27 AM

I threw together a second team, consisting of some of my higher IV shinies, and a couple of pokes from my first team that filled in some gaps, such as my first team's glaring weakness to powerful ground moves once Celebi was taken out.

Currently, my first team has a loss, whereas my second team has a win.

Posted by: Fading Like The Lilac Aug 1 2012, 08:48 AM

My teams kinda suck so far- both have had one battle, both have lost.

Why? BECAUSE I HAVE NO POKEMON WITH IVS OVER 120! *FLTL uses Flail*

Posted by: Alex Mercer Aug 1 2012, 10:24 AM

Hey, at least yours have gotten to battle yet.

Posted by: regitrio3 Aug 1 2012, 10:43 AM

QUOTE(Alex Mercer @ Aug 1 2012, 11:24 AM)

Posted by: Alex Mercer Aug 1 2012, 10:51 AM

I have six teams and they're all untested. QQ.

Posted by: Samoo Aug 1 2012, 11:33 AM

Currently on a win streak of 25! Still going strong

EDIT: Make it 38 now xD

Posted by: Alex Mercer Aug 1 2012, 11:42 AM

First streak was 21 wins. Not a bad start... better than I expected. My new Espeon is really kicking butt and taking names. Oh, I do not regret my neverending eevee shiny hunt at all. XD And my Palkia and Aggron continually proving how wonderful across-the-board resistances are.

Also, the jelly team - yes, I am jelly. XD

Posted by: Fading Like The Lilac Aug 1 2012, 11:46 AM

I disableing a Team like getting rid of it? 'Cos I have a load of MUCH better Pokemon I want to use for them, fresh caught from the Shelter...

Posted by: Alex Mercer Aug 1 2012, 11:48 AM

You can have multiple teams.

Posted by: Forget me now Aug 1 2012, 11:55 AM

I made one team called Power Rangers.. that lost all its battles! XD

Posted by: regitrio3 Aug 1 2012, 11:58 AM

Alright, getting the "How well have you done" part going with an initial streak of 23, which isn't bad.

Loving it so far, especially since it seems to count toward the battle achievements and gives EXP.

Posted by: PSKoala Aug 1 2012, 12:08 PM

Whoever made Dr. Insano gets my props. Aha, that one made me laugh.

Lost at streak of 12, but I wasn't really expecting to get that far... this'll do wonders for me building up to the Battle achievement, though, so I'll take it.

I wasn't expecting so many trainers to have put little thought into their battle phrases, though. :\ A fair few of my first 12 were keysmashes and one click-begger, even though all trainers are anonymous.

Posted by: Alex Mercer Aug 1 2012, 12:12 PM

Yeah, I noticed the same.

All of my teams that have fought so far have lost XD Ah well.

Posted by: regitrio3 Aug 1 2012, 12:29 PM

Streak of 18, not too long before I get Master Battler!

Also my team lost once.

Posted by: Mars Adept Enten Aug 1 2012, 12:35 PM

Well, my first three teams have lost. GotR is still untested, though. But then, it's not like I have a lot of good IV'd 'mons to choose from.

Posted by: Alex Mercer Aug 1 2012, 12:46 PM

Oh, hey, one of my teams got a win.

...which makes me kinda feel bad :/ Means somebody else got their streak axed.

Posted by: Fading Like The Lilac Aug 1 2012, 02:12 PM

I made a new team- The Atomic Punches. They're all high in Speed IVs, not so good in... Everything else.

Now I want to know who battled with them, The Golden Wrenches or The Rawket Launchers. See what they thought of them.

Posted by: Mizuiro no Yume Aug 1 2012, 02:13 PM

The team I submitted has yet to fight against anyone.

As for me, I got a streak of 12 before I made a silly mistake and lost. I'll try again later, when there's less lag.

Posted by: AOPSUser Aug 1 2012, 02:43 PM

I just got swept by a Fire Gem Zoroark in Battle 40. Highest streak so far is 39.

Posted by: regitrio3 Aug 1 2012, 02:44 PM

I love all these monotype water/dragon teams, they're Haxorus killfeed. Also my it is so easy to get the achievements now; I just today got ~100 wins and Master Battler

Posted by: Mars Adept Enten Aug 1 2012, 02:58 PM

Just watched pumpkinking take on GotR. My team was victorious. I'm impressed that one of my teams actually nabbed a win. Oh, and sorry for the PWNing, pumpkinking.

Posted by: pumpkinking0192 Aug 1 2012, 03:02 PM

Got up to a streak of 12 before it glitched up. It was their Gyarados vs. my Ferrothorn. They switched to Houndoom, so on the next turn I switched to Conkeldurr, but then it somehow rewinded a turn for them and not me, so their Gyarados KO'd my Conkeldurr without me being able to switch it back out, and without that Conkeldurr, I was crushed.

(EDIT: Oh, was that your team, Mars? I actually haven't looking at whose team is whose, since I'd have to switch back and forth between the Battle Subway and View Battles tabs.)

I'm seeing a lot of teams that seem to just be a bunch of shinies thrown together with no particular attention paid to IVs. I like it. Once the teams are stratified by difficulty, the lower tiers will be nice and colorful.

Posted by: Alex Mercer Aug 1 2012, 03:07 PM

One thing I don't get is why people keep making mono-type teams, and then advertising them as such. When I see a trainer going 'The power of water will crush you!', I grab my Serperior, Palkia, and all of those other things that can soak up the type. Et cetera. Even if your team is really good, you're telling your foe in advance how to defeat you. Which... makes things a lot easier.

Posted by: Mars Adept Enten Aug 1 2012, 03:13 PM

I did make an entire Psychic-based team, but a good number of them have secondary types. But monotyping without secondaries is kind of dumb, IMO. Mostly because of what Alex said. You're just advertising how to defeat it.

@pumpkinking: Yep, GotR was one of my submissions. What did you think about it? Fun? Easy? Hard? Boring?
And here's the post where I talk about it: http://forums.gtsplus.net/index.php?s=&showtopic=65524&view=findpost&p=2256898

Posted by: Mars Adept Enten Aug 1 2012, 03:18 PM

EDIT: That wasn't supposed to be put here. Sorry, everyone.

Posted by: Samoo Aug 1 2012, 03:21 PM

FInally got beat... had a streak of 146 lol.

Posted by: Alex Mercer Aug 1 2012, 03:36 PM

Daaang, nice.

Posted by: regitrio3 Aug 1 2012, 03:47 PM

O.O 146, and I thought 20+ was pretty good.
But I got a Reshiram egg that is destined to be pwning people in the subway, assuming it doesn't get like 50 IVs (watch it get 51)

Posted by: Samoo Aug 1 2012, 03:49 PM

QUOTE(regitrio3 @ Aug 1 2012, 09:47 PM)

Posted by: regitrio3 Aug 1 2012, 03:56 PM

I have less than 146 subway wins total, so you won't see any competition from me soon.
These new stats just spiked my overall rank to 163, even though I think it was well over 1000 yesterday.

Posted by: Snowsky Aug 1 2012, 04:00 PM

I love the Battle Subway, it's so much fun!

Posted by: nokrow889 Aug 1 2012, 04:12 PM

well my first run on battle subway 13 win streak kinda messed up and switched into a type disadvantage forgeting that golurk is also part ground type i swapped it into a water type hoping it would as a ghost take a water attack better then charizard but well i forgot part ground @.@

Posted by: Alex Mercer Aug 1 2012, 04:58 PM

Oh, does anyone know how to turn the new Battle Tower animations off? They're slowing things down :/

Posted by: pumpkinking0192 Aug 1 2012, 05:11 PM

QUOTE(Alex Mercer @ Aug 1 2012, 04:58 PM)

Posted by: regitrio3 Aug 1 2012, 05:14 PM

Are you sure it's not just general lag?
At any rate, loving this thing so far and can't wait until rewards start happening.
The difficulty curve might be slow due to a lack of teams that the npcs are able to use well. For example, even my team which has well above a 90% win percentage when I use it is 1-2 under npc control. Unfortunately, I can only see particularly good rewards coming along after impossibly long, Samoo-like streaks, to avoid being overpowered. Maybe I'm just pessimistic, but I can clearly see my evolution items and other mostly-useless stuff being racked up.

Posted by: Darkrai Master Aug 1 2012, 05:42 PM

I had a bit of a go earlier today. I believe I got up to six or seven, but I intentionally ended my streak then just because I was seeing what it was like. (I really need to build up my pokémon teams quicker...)
Anyway, I also created a Subway team too. Noone has fought it yet, so I don't know whether it's a good team or not, but hopefully it'll be somewhat challenging. xD

Posted by: Alex Mercer Aug 1 2012, 05:57 PM

QUOTE(Samoo @ Aug 1 2012, 04:49 PM)

QUOTE(regitrio3 @ Aug 1 2012, 09:47 PM)

O.O 146, and I thought 20+ was pretty good.
But I got a Reshiram egg that is destined to be pwning people in the subway, assuming it doesn't get like 50 IVs (watch it get 51)

Gonna aim for much higher I wanna retain my title >:0

Posted by: regitrio3 Aug 1 2012, 06:38 PM

I just love how well Haxorus performs in the Subway.
2 turns of setup and you get at least 2 kills, 3 if no steels.
This is why I think Reshiram will do well, because it gets unresistable coverage (steel is weak to fire and nothing is immune), which will remain even through future pokes/novelties because, well, its unresistable, and thats without a gem. That means I can have that coverage with double setup, or choice it, or give it leftovers. You can't choice/lefties a Fire Gem Haxorus (although those are also epic, take ILC for example) after all.

Still loving this, I think its faster than the pokewalker for training lv.75+ and Im sure I'll love it even more when I get stuff from it.

Posted by: Alex Mercer Aug 1 2012, 07:21 PM

Part of it is covering weaknesses, though. And Reshiram is weak to a lot of things, as well as quick but not ungodly fast - meaning that while you're setting it up or if you don't use agility, it will take hits and eventually go down.

Which is why I like Palkia so much, because Palkia has crazy resistance coverage, even if its attacks leave something to be desired on occasion (it will get ruined by ferrothorn). Between Palkia with leftovers and Aggron, I can make so many strong hits useless and get the AI to switch out something it had been building up.

I've also gotten a lot of use out of having two different charizards. xD Both are gemmed and don't have heals, and they're good at soaking grass/bug hits and screwing with tanks. ...It doesn't hurt that when you've hatched close to 1400 charmanders, you have some good iv/nature selections. 162 IV lonely and 155 IV timid. Oh, and all of my eeveelutions...

Posted by: regitrio3 Aug 1 2012, 08:06 PM

The omnipresent Ferrothorn resists two of Reshiram's three weaknesses, and hits super-effectively against two. Reshiram, in turn, laughs at the Fire attacks that threaten Ferrothorn (and threaten to attack or set up), and as a whole the Rock, Ground, and Dragon types aren't known for special defense, so switching into Reshiram multiple times can quickly become problematic. Agility taking up a slot isn't a problem because Reshiram won't be a physical attacker and all it needs are its STABs along with Nasty Plot, and also you totally underrate Reshiram's tankiness. If it needs to it can take a weak super-effective hit or two. Also, for my team, Reshiram can check Nasty Plot Magnezone, which right now is problematic and I have even lost to one once. So yeah, a Reshiram will definitely work alongside Ferrothorn and a team of attackers/tanks to soften stuff up. The main problem I can see with Reshiram is its lack of ability to use a strong attacking move. So yeah it has flaws, but not ones that can't be patched and offensively it's gold right out of the box so I'm pretty sure it'll work. I'd love to hear some thoughts on Haxorus.

Posted by: Alex Mercer Aug 1 2012, 08:18 PM

Haxorus is a beast, but I can easily counter it with Aggron. Bastiodon or any defensive steel will get right up in its face and kill its momentum. However, those things can wall it, but unless they have an ice gem, they can only chip at the Haxorus at best. Still, the trick to enduring any monotype attacker is to get it to waste all of its strong attacks. Still... I'd either band Haxorus or give it a ground/fire/fighting (probably fire) gem and swords dance. It doesn't need an agility, most of the time.

I got a good-IVed Eevee that I'm working into a Glaceon right now. Any tips for that?

Edit: Wow, a bunch of shinies tossed up together ended up getting a win. :/ wat. I mean, I gave some of them items, but they weren't exactly cream of the crop.

Posted by: Klaine Aug 1 2012, 08:33 PM

QUOTE(Alex Mercer @ Aug 1 2012, 06:18 PM)

Posted by: Alex Mercer Aug 1 2012, 08:35 PM

I rather need an ice type. I've started playing with a lucario with an ice gem, but I'd rather have something more solid to hit opposing dragons with, because putting out your own dragons means heavy hits on both sides.

I wouldn't pair recover with ice beam, hm. Maybe I should grab something else. Or get a better lucario. I hatched a 156-IV Riolu today while looking for one.

Thanks, though.

Posted by: Klaine Aug 1 2012, 09:14 PM

QUOTE(Alex Mercer @ Aug 1 2012, 06:35 PM)

Posted by: Alex Mercer Aug 1 2012, 09:20 PM

I'm not really fond of having a dragon gem when my team contains actual dragons, though. It seems like a waste of an item slot.

Then again, with the espeon I just moved in, I could probably take off the one psychic gem on one of my 'zards...

Good point on the fighting type, btw. Hmm.

Posted by: Mars Adept Enten Aug 1 2012, 10:37 PM

So, just out of curiosity, how could I improve some of my teams? I'll use my first, Psychic Wonders, as an example. I'll just list the mon and typing for now:
Mr. Mime/Psychic
Grumpig/Psychic
Slowking/Psychic-Water
Bronzong/Psychic-Steel
Latias/Psychic-Dragon
Lunatone/Psychic-Rock
Gallade/Psychic-Fighting
Xatu/Psychic-Flying
Cresselia/Psychic

Keep in mind, I don't have many BT items right now. So, if you could think of some suggestions for ones I should get, I'm all ears.

Posted by: 2technogeeks Aug 1 2012, 10:57 PM

QUOTE(Mars Adept Enten @ Aug 1 2012, 10:37 PM)

Posted by: Klaine Aug 1 2012, 11:06 PM

My highest streak so far is 74- ended by a stat boost-related bug. :P Then I got up to 30, ended by a Breloom with Pursuit.

Posted by: Mars Adept Enten Aug 1 2012, 11:23 PM

Thanks for the feedback, 2techno. I do have most of the Pokémon you suggested, but they either have crap IVs or haven't been levelled to 100 yet. I guess I should probably splurge on some BT items, but... I really want one of those LV+, so I can get my hands on a Meloetta. So I can A: splurge on items to toughen up my teams, but not have enough for an LV+, or B: save up for the LV+ and focus on BT items later.

Posted by: PkmHunter Aug 2 2012, 12:01 AM

QUOTE(2technogeeks @ Aug 2 2012, 04:57 AM)

QUOTE(Mars Adept Enten @ Aug 1 2012, 10:37 PM)

So, just out of curiosity, how could I improve some of my teams? I'll use my first, Psychic Wonders, as an example. I'll just list the mon and typing for now:
>words

I fought your team earlier, and I noticed a strong lack of counters to Ghost. I'd say to get a Dark or Ghost Gem to take care of that.

You also don't have many counters to Dark. Gallade is nice, but you only get 6/9 and Gallade isn't exactly bulky. You'll want a Medicham or something, or more preferably, a Bug/Fighting Gem.

In general, your Pokemon just don't do enough damage. I was able to tank through the whole team with a Zergoose and a Ferrothorn. You need something that's quick and can sweep. Alakazam, Deoxys (Speed and Attack would both be fine) and Espeon come to mind.

Zen Mode Darmanitan, Defense Deoxys, and Reuniclus would also be really useful for you. ZM Darmanitan is useful in general, and will be a great counter to Steel types (which pretty much wall you) and Bug types. D-D is a fantastic wall, and with some Leftovers, can be a pretty big threat. Reuniclus is just good overall, although a Choice Scarf or Quick Claw could be helpful.

A lot of your team could benefit from items (Lefties on Bronzong, Gems overall, etc.), but unfortunately, they're not really that easy without blowing Prize Points or stalking the Backroom.

QUOTE(Klaine @ Aug 2 2012, 05:06 AM)

Posted by: pumpkinking0192 Aug 2 2012, 12:07 AM

QUOTE(Mars Adept Enten @ Aug 1 2012, 11:23 PM)

Posted by: Klaine Aug 2 2012, 12:16 AM

QUOTE(PkmHunter @ Aug 1 2012, 10:01 PM)

QUOTE(Klaine @ Aug 2 2012, 05:06 AM)

My highest streak so far is 74- ended by a stat boost-related bug. :P Then I got up to 30, ended by a Breloom with Pursuit.

What? You're kidding right Mani? You lost to those 2 pieces of cake? o.O

Posted by: Late Aug 2 2012, 01:03 AM

Just battled my first battle in Battle Subway and I have to say I liked the animations. The battle was really easy but what can you expect when opponent's name is IV Fails. My Empoleon "killed" everyone.

EDIT: Won three matches and then I lost to Nomz because Gengar got a critical hit when I would've killed it with just one more hit. :P

EDIT2: My longest streak now: 20

Posted by: Rosveen Aug 2 2012, 06:56 AM

I tried to put up a better team, but but after several losses I discovered that the one I used before is still the best. It severely lacks Ground, Fighting and Flying moves, but somehow it manages to win against many opponents My longest streak is only 20 because of the weaknesses I mentioned. I need to find a proper Fighting type now... Ground would not be a problem if only my Ground Gem hadn't mysteriously disappeared :/

Posted by: Samoo Aug 2 2012, 08:05 AM

Well my streak is back over 100. 116 to be precise. What I think you guys aren't doing is having speed and strong moves in your teams.

Getting in defences isn't really going to help. Give your Pokémon Choice Items, but give it to correct ones. For example giving a Manectric a Choice Band is shit, due to it's shitty attack power whereas giving it a Choice Specs would be sweet. Anything with relatively good speed and attack give choice items.

I'll leave that up to you guys to what you use, but all these type coverages won't be worth it in the end. Your opponent will just switch out rendering them pointless and ineffective.

Oh and you'll want Haze. Haze is necessary. Ideally there's a lot of Fire types, so Rock, Dragon and Water should be good. Not all 3 just maybe a maximum of 2. Another thing you could do is play teams within a team. Make sure you have something to counter. Yes, dual-types are nice, but really you're wanting those more powerful moves.

Posted by: regitrio3 Aug 2 2012, 09:16 AM

Samoo, I really know what you mean. I run Specs on a Zoroark and if I switch it into a psychic or ghost move it hits like a train on anyone with Dark Pulse and after that most stuff weak to it dies in one shot to Snarl, which also hits hard. The only problem is that if the opponent switches to a resist it can take all your momentum, so having a defensive poke on a team to eat the incoming attack while you get momentum back is a very good thing to have. I use a Throh for this, as it also provides Fighting coverage and lures the Psychics that Zoroark ever so loves harassing back out. So yeah, I love the choice items. I would use more if I had more. But a team of six choiced attackers would be terrible, hands down. A solid resist could set up in its face.

Also, my one and only team is 3-3.

Posted by: Alex Mercer Aug 2 2012, 09:57 AM

Thanks for the advice, Samoo.

Posted by: regitrio3 Aug 2 2012, 11:10 AM

Streak of 60 and still going strong

Posted by: Samoo Aug 2 2012, 11:22 AM

QUOTE(regitrio3 @ Aug 2 2012, 03:16 PM)

Posted by: regitrio3 Aug 2 2012, 11:31 AM

73 and havent lost, halfway to the old #1

Edit: Either 99 or 100 and waiting for the tower to reopen

Posted by: Alex Mercer Aug 2 2012, 11:35 AM

Funny, some of my specifically weak teams are racking up wins. Like... no item, no moveset teams.

One team has more wins than losses 5/4. And I just submitted the team I fight with, which got a win. I'm liking this (except the fact that it's going to kill my battle tower rankings)

Posted by: Flamewire Aug 2 2012, 12:44 PM

Holy crap, Deoxys-A hits like a truck. It can't take a hit, since it has lousy defenses, but mine has 419 attack and 394 special attack. If I put a Choice Scarf on it, it can punch huge holes in the other team.

Posted by: ZaratoX Aug 2 2012, 12:50 PM

Battle streak ends at 63 due to 'uberhax' crits. Oh well.. it was fun.

Posted by: regitrio3 Aug 2 2012, 12:56 PM

QUOTE(Flamewire @ Aug 2 2012, 01:44 PM)

Posted by: Alex Mercer Aug 2 2012, 12:57 PM

With that speed, odds are it doesn't need a scarf. I'd go with band or specs, depending on which is higher.

Posted by: regitrio3 Aug 2 2012, 01:12 PM

Not sure what the speed stat is, but if it's under 280 (give or take) you should scarf it and if it's over give it a band or specs. That's just so you can outrun the majority of stuff, but fast threats would still be dangerous. Given a scarf it becomes (I think) faster than any unscarfed poke but watch out for scarfers. Also make sure the team can handle dark-types, steels, and other psychics as Deo-A won't stand a chance against any of those.

Posted by: Kamikaze Shrub Aug 2 2012, 02:57 PM

Ugh, this is just reminding me how much I hate battles. I'm a collector, not a battler, and it shows. Even the one team I put together has a win-loss ratio of 4-8.

Posted by: 2technogeeks Aug 2 2012, 03:03 PM

My main team has been using a Reuniclus (which has been working out nicely), but after looking at Gigamorph's stats, I'm wondering if I should maybe switch.

Gigamorph (Rock/Psychic):
HP: 102
ATK: 71
DEF: 83
SATK: 160
SDEF: 154
SPD: 30

Reuniclus (Psychic):
HP: 134
ATK: 80
DEF: 92
SATK: 153
SDEF: 104
SPD: 37

I gave Reuniclus Recover since it can tank hits fairly well, which means it can't do pretty much anything to Dark types if it has Nasty Plot. On the other hand, I already have a Rock-type special attacker on my main team, so I don't know. The 7 points in speed make almost no difference unless I'm against opposing Reuniclus, and I feel that Gigamorph has superior stats. Can anyone give any feedback or suggestions?

Posted by: AOPSUser Aug 2 2012, 03:08 PM

Reuniclus is better in a pinch since it has Psychic, and it can take out a couple mons while Gigamorph struggles. However, Gigamorph is better in the long run because of its better Special Attack and Special Defense.

All in all, it's your choice.

Posted by: Samoo Aug 2 2012, 03:08 PM

QUOTE(2technogeeks @ Aug 2 2012, 09:03 PM)

Posted by: regitrio3 Aug 2 2012, 03:18 PM

Hey Kamikaze Shrub, for NPCs 4-8 is pretty good. It means that 1/3 of challengers got their streak stopped short. If everyone faced teams with that record over and over, the average streak would be... 2. And seeing that we're seeing numbers like, 74, 120, 250+ (o.o), that's a major difference.

And in answer to 2TG's question, it depends on what you plan to do with them If you want to tank special, Gigamorph is your best option, but Reuniclus is the better all-around defender. If you want to attack with these things, Reuniclus is probably your better option because it has access to a Strong move and more opportunities to set up. But if tanking special and attacking without setup is your goal, the switch would be advisable. Honestly I would test both before doing anything final.

Posted by: Alex Mercer Aug 2 2012, 03:23 PM

Okay, what the hell. The crap teams I just threw together for a low-tier difficulty are doing better than the ones I carefully put together.

I'm not the best strategist, but how are no-moveset pokemon with random IVs faring better than the best IVs I can find?

Seriously, the worst team I put together has three wins and three losses. Well, second worst. The absolute worst has two wins and five losses. Third worst is two-ten.

On the other hand, the teams I put work into have win/loss ratios of these;

3/11
1/8
1/6
1/0

the last being a new one.

Then again, my really low-tier monotype/mono-pokemon have no wins, but those were just for laughs anyway. And those ones have movesets, at least!

Posted by: 2technogeeks Aug 2 2012, 03:34 PM

Well, none of my Roggenmorpha have very good IVs besides one that has 31 IVs in Special Attack (neutral nature) and absolutely garbage everywhere else. I levelled that one up, and its stats are pretty superior to Reuniclus, but after trying it out, I realized I was getting swept by Close Combats after they got a free Swords Dance from bad predictions.

So, all in all, I think Gigamorph is better for general use, but I'm going to stick with Reuniclus for my current team to combat Fighting types.

As for my submitted teams, I'm surprised some of them have any wins. All but three are just monotypes with no regards to IVs, and most of them have at least one win. My actual teams have 2/2 and 7/7 (they used to have better records, but still), and the easy team I threw together has gotten two wins somehow. I dunno.

Posted by: regitrio3 Aug 2 2012, 03:49 PM

I wish I had the option to face one of my own subway teams, apart from the main subway and without any potential gain/loss, so that I could see how the npc script is using it and how certain pokes perform, so it would be possible to see how it was possible that a certain team won/lost, and use that knowledge to make other teams better (or worse). Then anyone who was serious about this stuff (like me) could gain a bit of a competitive edge, especially in teambuilding.

Posted by: Alex Mercer Aug 2 2012, 03:53 PM

QUOTE(regitrio3 @ Aug 2 2012, 04:49 PM)

Posted by: regitrio3 Aug 2 2012, 04:22 PM

Yeah that could work, but I would really like to be able to do stuff like that without the time spent waiting for someone to face the team, and then if I'm looking for a specific poke it might not get pulled so I'd have to wait again. As of right now my team has had nine battles total, and at least half that happened while I was asleep. I've done some stalking and caught the end of one of my team's battles (my haxorus swept ) but I only got to see his last two pokes come in and be destroyed, which tells me nothing that I don't already know.

Posted by: Samoo Aug 2 2012, 04:27 PM

Ending the night on 355 streak. Hopefully gonna get more tomorrow providing I don't lose. Next aim is 500! Good luck on your streaks, guys ~

Posted by: Alex Mercer Aug 2 2012, 04:32 PM

Pro as always.

I've been hoarding 130+ IVed pokemon as of late, anything I might have a use for. Working with a 156 lucario right now.

Posted by: regitrio3 Aug 2 2012, 05:12 PM

My next team will have a 154 Timid Gengar, 147 Kingdra, Landorus, and Rotom [Ice] (and Reshiram if he decides to get to lv100 in time), still looking for more pokes to put on it.

Posted by: Maplehoof Aug 2 2012, 06:56 PM

Well, the team I slapped together, regular team + 3 random pokes, is doing okay (2-3). I have too many physical attackers and only half of them are IV'd. The magic of choice items!

Posted by: Mars Adept Enten Aug 2 2012, 07:32 PM

I got rid of some of my sub-par IV 'mons, and subbed in some higher IV'd ones. I've found that Magus (staff forme) and Daronox can really tank and sweep if they manage to get the +6 stat boost (Atk for Magus and SAtk for Daronox). I've done some BS runs, and Magus can take down a lot of stuff, even some types that are supposed to be good against Water types. And giving him Leftovers has helped a lot. Same with Daronox: he can hit hard if he manages to get the +6 stat boost and take down a lot of types just using the SAtk-based moves that he already knew. He also has Leftovers. I splurged and bought a few more. Ganondorf can do quite a bit of damage too. I still can't manage to get a streak longer than 3, though. I'm not a competitive battler, and it certainly shows.

Quick Edit: Magus has an IV spread of 22/17/18/12/5/20 and Daronox has an IV spread of 27/30/27/20/3/18. Their HP IVs make them great for tanking, and even though Magus only has 160 ATK, he can hit really hard given enough boosts. Whereas Daronox is a total beast when he gets that +6 SAtk boost. That manages to go up to 1,200+ SAtk with it. Needless to say, if he gets all of those boosts, not much will survive his Snarl/Twister.

Posted by: Kamikaze Shrub Aug 2 2012, 07:36 PM

Well, my eight win streak was ended by... Edward Cullen.

Posted by: Klaine Aug 2 2012, 07:58 PM

So, far my Battle Subway NPCs' win/loss records are:

0/13 (...that was supposed to happen)
0/1
8/5
6/5
3/6
4/6
4/5
2/3

Not too bad, considering AI isn't as good as a real player.

Posted by: Alex Mercer Aug 2 2012, 08:06 PM

QUOTE(Kamikaze Shrub @ Aug 2 2012, 08:36 PM)

Well, my eight win streak was ended by... Edward Cullen.

Posted by: regitrio3 Aug 2 2012, 08:48 PM

My 120 streak was ended by a shiny compilation. A few key members got ko'd by a rollback bug, the other guy got a lucky crit or two, and then I just got out-coveraged.

Posted by: Scootastic Aug 2 2012, 08:49 PM

Current Streak is 17.

Previous trainer I beat was a team of SIX Primal Dialgas. (I'm assuming Alex Mercer put that together)

Now up against one named "POWER OF LOVE"

Description: "BUT I AM READY TO LEARN. THE POWER OF LOOOVE"

EDIT: And... it's a team of six shiny Luvdiscs. Sam is awesome.

EDIT2: Streak ended at 23... by a team of SIX Haxorus.

Posted by: 2technogeeks Aug 2 2012, 09:12 PM

QUOTE(Scootastic @ Aug 2 2012, 08:49 PM)

Posted by: Alex Mercer Aug 2 2012, 09:32 PM

Yep, the Primal Dialgas are mine. I love those things, even if they aren't good battle material.

...Shiny luvdiscs are more awesome. XD Lol'd.

Aha, nine Haxoruses (Haxorii?) is actually a pretty good idea for a team. It's very hit or miss. If you can't resist it, they'll sweep you down. If you do have a sufficient wall, they'll all crumble.

Posted by: Maplehoof Aug 2 2012, 09:37 PM

Seeing how prevalent Ferrothorn is, I would definitely invest in some fire gems if you were making a HAX team~

Posted by: Kamikaze Shrub Aug 2 2012, 09:38 PM

QUOTE(Alex Mercer @ Aug 2 2012, 06:06 PM)

QUOTE(Kamikaze Shrub @ Aug 2 2012, 08:36 PM)

Well, my eight win streak was ended by... Edward Cullen.

Sweet Jesus, how?! That was just a bunch of shinies I threw together in the semblance of a joke!

*throws self to ground in supplication*

And Klaine, yours are doing a lot better than mine x3

Posted by: Alex Mercer Aug 2 2012, 09:38 PM

During the ban drop the other day, I ended up buying at least 15 gems in the backroom. x3

I need a Ferrothorn. Currently looking for a good-IV'd Ferroseed.

Posted by: Scootastic Aug 2 2012, 09:50 PM

Just decided to make this team for the heck of it.



Hint: LEGENDARIES

The legendaries kinda have bad IVs though, so...

Posted by: regitrio3 Aug 2 2012, 09:58 PM

QUOTE(Scootastic @ Aug 2 2012, 10:50 PM)

Just decided to make this team for the heck of it.



Hint: LEGENDARIES

Posted by: Mars Adept Enten Aug 2 2012, 10:08 PM

I have a bit of a question for you guys: which would be a better choice for Normal/Psychic on a team? Girafarig or Light Magic Bidofo? Checking both their stat totals in my 'dex reveals they both have 600 total. Assume that said Pokémon would be physical sweepers/tanks.

Posted by: Alex Mercer Aug 2 2012, 10:09 PM

QUOTE(Scootastic @ Aug 2 2012, 10:50 PM)

Just decided to make this team for the heck of it.



Hint: LEGENDARIES

The legendaries kinda have bad IVs though, so...

Posted by: regitrio3 Aug 2 2012, 10:24 PM

As far as Bidofo v. Girafarig goes, I'd have to see stats but I think Girafarig is more attack based and bidofo is tankier, so it'd boil down to which style you'd rather use.

Edit: ROFL Alex Mercer, I'll leave you to suffer on that one (google it)
This is gonna be the most epic facepalm ever.

Posted by: Maplehoof Aug 2 2012, 10:35 PM

I don't know if a tank with that typing would be such a great idea, since Normal/Psychic only resists psychic type moves and I don't think you could effectively deal damage back. I would pick the more offensive pokemon.

edit - oops, I forgot about ghost types. I guess you could easily counter those.

Posted by: Klaine Aug 2 2012, 10:39 PM

QUOTE(Mars Adept Enten @ Aug 2 2012, 08:08 PM)

Posted by: Alex Mercer Aug 2 2012, 11:06 PM

QUOTE(regitrio3 @ Aug 2 2012, 11:24 PM)

Posted by: Mars Adept Enten Aug 2 2012, 11:27 PM

Well, the reason I said to assume they're both physical sweepers is because my BT mainstay Bidofo has higher IVs in Atk than SAtk. Even if both species are more SAtk focused, I'm researching whether or not I should form-change Magus to LM or any other formes, or if I should leave him as Staff forme. Because testing him as Staff forme has given me a fair amount of single-'mon sweeps, and I'm interested to see if the other formes get better results or not.

EDIT: Here's Magus' stats/IVs:
HP: 392/22
Atk: 160/17
Def: 285/18
SAtk: 151/12
SDef: 299/5
Spd: 152/20

Posted by: Klaine Aug 3 2012, 12:11 AM

QUOTE(Mars Adept Enten @ Aug 2 2012, 09:27 PM)

Posted by: Kamikaze Shrub Aug 3 2012, 01:53 AM

I've now made several Factory Head Thorton teams with the random level 100s I have sitting in my PC. I'm not sure how good they are, but I had fun making them.

Posted by: Scootastic Aug 3 2012, 03:00 AM

Just made Applejack and Fluttershy teams. You guys feel free to do the other four.

Posted by: Samoo Aug 3 2012, 04:31 AM

QUOTE(Scootastic @ Aug 3 2012, 02:49 AM)

Posted by: regitrio3 Aug 3 2012, 07:20 AM

QUOTE(Samoo @ Aug 3 2012, 05:31 AM)

Posted by: Alex Mercer Aug 3 2012, 08:22 AM

Heh. What are the more noteworthy teams you've all come across?

I haven't done the subway in a bit, so I don't remember much besides the 'u jelly' team, which I swept but remained jelly of it anyway.

Posted by: regitrio3 Aug 3 2012, 08:28 AM

Saw a team of five ferrothorns and a scizor, but accidentally didn't bring my fire type
Still won, but it should've been a lot easier.

Posted by: Scootastic Aug 3 2012, 08:39 AM

Just lost on Battle 116.

Umbreon is easily the most annoying thing ever. At least you can take Ferrothorn down with two Psychic attacks...

And I almost lost to that Edward Cullen team.

Posted by: Alex Mercer Aug 3 2012, 08:43 AM

I don't get it. o_O What made Cullen even vaguely competent? Besides the Kingler, which I should apparently use more often.

Posted by: Scootastic Aug 3 2012, 08:47 AM

QUOTE(Alex Mercer @ Aug 3 2012, 09:43 AM)

Posted by: Alex Mercer Aug 3 2012, 08:52 AM

Ah.

And it was *dazzling* luck.

Hmm, I wonder if I should train up an Absol. I have a Naughty one with 148 IVs and perfect attack.

Posted by: Samoo Aug 3 2012, 08:57 AM

I went through a team called 'Oops' which had 6 Haxorus. It was faster than my Haxorus so I just wiped it with Ferrothorn xD

I hit a 400 streak now 412 to be precise.

Posted by: Alex Mercer Aug 3 2012, 09:45 AM

You know, I don't have the 'mons for this - somebody should make a GLaDOS team. I'm thinking electric/steel/something spherical for Wheatley because you need to have Wheatley/definitely a few Porygon-Ts.

Posted by: Samoo Aug 3 2012, 09:50 AM

QUOTE(Alex Mercer @ Aug 3 2012, 03:45 PM)

Posted by: Alex Mercer Aug 3 2012, 09:53 AM

Yeah, Electrode looks too smug. xD

...Reuniclus, possibly? Or Swoobat, for the lulz.

Posted by: Mars Adept Enten Aug 3 2012, 10:38 AM

How are you guys getting such high win streaks? I usually get beat around 5 (6 if I'm really lucky) And I tried Magus out as Lance forme and he gets owned so badly. I barely manage to get any sweeps, and the one I did get was with Daronox. 1210 SATK + good typing + decent speed = PWNage. I think I'll switch him back to Staff forme. Just need to get my hands on an Eviolite first. *checks PS and BR* And neither of those have it. Looks like I'll have to wait or hope I get lucky with an egg hatch.

Posted by: 2technogeeks Aug 3 2012, 10:51 AM

QUOTE(Mars Adept Enten @ Aug 3 2012, 10:38 AM)

How are you guys getting such high win streaks? I usually get beat around 5 (6 if I'm really lucky) And I tried Magus out as Lance forme and he gets owned so badly. I barely manage to get any sweeps, and the one I did get was with Daronox. 1210 SATK + good typing + decent speed = PWNage. I think I'll switch him back to Staff forme. Just need to get my hands on an Eviolite first. *checks PS and BR* And neither of those have it. Looks like I'll have to wait or hope I get lucky with an egg hatch.

Posted by: Samoo Aug 3 2012, 11:00 AM

Get Pokémon with good speed and offence like 2technogeeks suggested

An example of a good one would be Swellow. The speed on that thing alone is incredible. Give it a choice band and it easily gets into ~300 attack.

Dugtrio is good too. It may not have good defences, but if you spam earthquake a few times you're good to go. Or if you're up against something.

Haxorus + Choice Band = kill.

With Haxorus I would advise obtaining one with a good speed. Both nature AND IV's. It'll be difficult I know, but in the end it'll be worth it. If you can get one with good speed and attack? Even better.

The other one I'd suggest would be to not use Pokémon that have a x4 weakness. As-well as a physical sweeper, in times of dire need you're going to be needing a special sweeper too. If you can get your hands on a fast ice type (for example a Choice Specs Cyrogonal should be good) then unless you're facing fighting, fire or steel types then you have an advantage. I didn't list rock types because most rock types have a shitty special defence and a majority are part ground too :P and the fact ice is x1 to rock.

You should have a nice range of physical and special sweepers with 1 wall. Don't have too many walls as it's mostly there for back-up. Obviously the wall being Ferrothorn here xp

Usually with Haxorus alone, I can wipe out 1/2 their team all the time. Sometimes wipe out the entire team with it.

Posted by: Alex Mercer Aug 3 2012, 11:05 AM

I'm sort of doing both. I'm building teams to cover types and means of attack/defense, but I'm also hatching eggs of those same pokemon and switching out the old members for new-and-improved ones that have better IVs. Some, I already had choice picks (172 Umbreon, 155 Espeon, 155 and 162 Charizard, 150 Primal Dialga... 149 Darkrai is in progress)

Also, shame Flareon is so slow. I have a 162-IV one. :/ But he needs that agility.

And the AI seems to be very bad at utilizing stat increases. My teams with no movesets (or just things like haze/recover) are performing much better than the ones with.

Posted by: Mars Adept Enten Aug 3 2012, 12:19 PM

Ah, I see. I only have basic knowledge of competitive battling, and no interest whatsoever in doing it in RL. Online, sure, but not RL.

And I have been putting in high-IVd 'mons in my BT lineup. I'm getting more wins that way. And Daronox doesn't need those stat boosts, they're just on him in case I need to get past walls. Magus only needs 1/2 boosts to deal decent damage. In SF, he needs those, because his Atk is only 160 in that forme. If he's in a more Atk-oriented forme, then he doesn't need them as much. He's mostly my tanker, not sweeper. But seeing as how his HP IVs are the best aside from Spd, that shouldn't surprise people.

Posted by: regitrio3 Aug 3 2012, 12:21 PM

Yes, the AI is terrible with stat boosters. Half the time they'll set up and immediately switch out. And they use recover when at low health if they have it, even if it means not going for the kill.

Posted by: Obsidian Shadow Aug 3 2012, 12:31 PM

As of now, I am number 1 in battles lost with 103.
Not sure if proud of myself, or disappointed.
Anyway, I heve been averaging ~100 battles per day. Master Battler, here I come!

Posted by: regitrio3 Aug 3 2012, 01:52 PM

Lol @ #1 in battles lost.
Yeah though, Master Battler is easy with the subway, as demonstrated by myself and probably many others but don't quote me on that.
As for rewards, mine went right back into the tower/subway in the form of Reshiram, who will most likely make its debut on my next team. I cant imagine it'll be too much longer before rewards start happening, and when they do I will just sit at the tower and do streak after streak.

Posted by: Samoo Aug 3 2012, 01:54 PM

QUOTE(regitrio3 @ Aug 3 2012, 07:52 PM)

Posted by: Alex Mercer Aug 3 2012, 01:58 PM

Honestly, the attackers that scare me the most are the mono-type ones. (And feral Zergoose because it wages blitzkreig.) My Reshiram and Zekrom seem to underperform... in the meantime, my http://new.gpxplus.net/info/KsWUg and mediocre-IV'd Haxorus take names, alongside other ones that I wouldn't have expected much out of (Kingler, Blastoise, maybe Umbreon).

Dual-types need to boost themselves before they can start spitting out truly lethal attacks, unless they have maddening base stats and a band/specs. Wait, I should put a band on my attack deoxys... idkwhyIdidn'teventhinkofthat.

Posted by: regitrio3 Aug 3 2012, 03:16 PM

I think that dragons, fire-types, and Ferrothorn are the only reasons Serperior hasn't made a name for itself. I mean, it has the defensive stats to easily get to +6, the speed to not need to Agility, and access to Strong moves. It can even take on some fire types because it's only 2x weak and has amazing defenses. Mine has 309/226/224/202/222/290 stats and runs swords dance/amnesia/physical grass moves, and it has swept many a team even with the abundance of things that resist it/hit it super-effective. And let me again reconfirm the fact that Haxorus remains amazing, even with less-than-desirable IVs. Mine has only 108 and still manhandles things.

Posted by: Alex Mercer Aug 3 2012, 04:01 PM

I have a serperior I do use - http://new.gpxplus.net/info/GHXVg . It's got excellent stats, but as a general rule, the grass type is not terribly useful as an offensive (the only thing it really shines at are rock/grounds and water/grounds, moreso the latter). So Smuglord doesn't often see battle, although he's a good switch-in for electric attacks and ferrothorn-botherer. (If I brought in Charizard, Arcanine, or Flareon, the ferrothorn will pretty much always switch out.)

Edit: Oh, right, fighting gem.

Posted by: Ainulindale Aug 3 2012, 04:41 PM

Still yet have to find loads of 'mons with really good IVs. So far the best I've got is a Krookodile with 150 IVs. Good for beating Electric, Rock/Steel/Psychic as well as bothering Fire 'mons.

Should also perhaps work on getting a Furret with really good IVs, it's so fast that it tanks most things it's not weak to. O_o
I also like keeping an Absol in my team. One might wonder, why keep 2 Dark type Pokemon, but Absol (Mightyena is another option) is fast and with monster attack stats.

Posted by: Alex Mercer Aug 3 2012, 05:26 PM

Dark's also a nice type. Great switch-in for psychics that would rip you apart, like Espeon and Alakazam, and of its two weaknesses, one is relatively uncommon.

I wonder if I should get a good Mawile. Ah, it's fun trying out pokemon that are totally useless ingame.

Posted by: ZaratoX Aug 3 2012, 06:42 PM

There sorta needs to be a limit in the amount of teams one can create. By creating multiple teams that lose 99% of the time, it's just allowing others to ease with more point towards their streaks. I've enabled one team that has a 9/10(win/loss). Or at least another way to prevent too many teams being enabled; team loses 5 times in a row = disabled till re-enabled?

Posted by: pumpkinking0192 Aug 3 2012, 06:48 PM

QUOTE(ZaratoX @ Aug 3 2012, 06:42 PM)

Posted by: Klaine Aug 3 2012, 06:50 PM

Maybe it's just me, but to be honest IVs aren't as important as everyone makes them out to be. I'll build a team starting with whatever pokemon I have. I'll focus primarily on type coverage, mainly on defense, then add in sweepers from there. Then when I'm satisfied with the results and the team works well in battles, that's when I'll work toward pokemon with better natures and IVs.

At the moment I still use a 99-IV Ferrothorn. It may be low on IVs, but so far it has over 1200 wins and only 12 losses. That's a ratio of over 100 to 1- pretty good for being part of a team with an IV average of 115.

A lot of the time it's not about the pokemon themselves- it's about how you, the trainer, use them.

Posted by: Alex Mercer Aug 3 2012, 08:20 PM

Natures tend to be more important than IVs, but when you're down to the fine-turning, IVs are very handy too, especially when they're in the stats you care about.

And yes, even a perfect pokemon is useless if you don't know how best to employ it. When I was younger... oh, twelve? on my first run of Emerald, I had a level 100 Absol that knew Flamethrower, Thunderbolt, Hyper Beam, and Perish Song. xD You know why? Because I thought they looked cool.

I always made Gyarados a special attacker too :/

Posted by: regitrio3 Aug 3 2012, 08:49 PM

Klaine, my 108 IV Haxorus and 96 IV Landorus agree heartily with your statement.
Also, Hyper Beam in Gen 3 was physical so it had use ingame on an Absol. The other moves made me lol.

Posted by: 2technogeeks Aug 3 2012, 09:12 PM

So...I've finally cracked and have decided on joining the bandwagon and getting a Haxorus.

Should I go for Jolly or Adamant? Adamant/Choice Band is the staple Haxorus set normally, but here I have no idea. For now I've been influencing Adamant on my Axews, but should I go for Jolly for more speed?

Posted by: regitrio3 Aug 3 2012, 09:22 PM

Jolly is nice if you run a choice band or a fire gem, but I go with Adamant (mine is lonely actually but same difference) and I usually have no trouble getting Agility set up and then I have 396 unboosted attack (up to ~1500 @ +6) plus Outrage to work with and that with swords dance can easily be enough to sweep, even against some steels. I'd love to hear argument from a jolly person but +attack is working for me and Id reccommend it to anyone.

Posted by: Klaine Aug 3 2012, 10:25 PM

I'll be the one to disagree here and tell you to get a Jolly Haxorus. Reasons being that Haxorus already has a very powerful attack stat (mine is, with max 31 IVs and a neutral-to-attack nature, at 362), and that those 30 points of speed will make a very real difference. When you're up against an enemy Haxorus, you want to be able to outspeed and go for the OHKO. And when you have a Jolly Haxorus, using Agility is largely unnecessary; you'll already be outspeeding about 80% of its only real threats. You can save a move slot that way and run Dragon Claw, Outrage, Flame Wheel/Rock Smash (gem), and Swords Dance.

Additionally, Haxorus is often best used as a revenge killer as well as a sweeper. When one of your pokemon faints, a Jolly Haxorus will more often than not be able to quickly take out the opponent without any speed boosts.

Adamant is a very good nature as well, though. It all really comes down to whether you value Haxorus more as a slightly slower, stronger tank- or a faster, slightly less powerful quick killer. (And to which one you can find more easily, as well!)

EDIT: Feel free to also check out my Haxorus in the Battle Tower. I'm battling with it right now.

Posted by: regitrio3 Aug 3 2012, 10:59 PM

As a revenge killer, Jolly Haxorus is definitely the way to go. However, I like the higher attack because I like to tank with my Haxorus (I usually lead off with an Escavalier and if the opponent starts with/brings out a fire type I switch into Haxorus, at which point I can usually get to +2/+2 and from there Haxorus just takes off and tears their team up. Since the AI seems to favor offense over defense, I can usually pick off a few dragon-typed sweepers with just +2 Speed which opens up the door for a lot of my team. And I did get to a 120 streak with this thing, so don't just leave me in the dust because Klaine is sounds way smarter than me. It just comes down to what you're trying to do with Haxorus, and what you get good IVs on.

Posted by: Maplehoof Aug 4 2012, 12:16 AM

I guess I'm also going to bandwagon a Haxorus, but I'm not sure who to replace. I currently use:

Ferrothorn/Lefties - basically set up to +6 and metal claw everything.
Crobat/C. Band - Takes fighting type moves and clears the way for Ferrothorn to sweep, and also an emergency hazer. I have a good IV'd Modest Reuniclus available, should I replace Crobat with it? I think it'd be good to have more specially oriented attackers.
Milotic/Lefties - Takes fire types for Ferrothorn, can also sweep if I get a few boosts despite being slow.
Weavile/C. Band - Takes psychic type attacks, but it can't really hit that many things back very hard. Ice shard does come in handy since it hits several dragons for x4, though.
Sawk and Darmanitan - Both boosting sweepers with type gems.

I'm thinking Darmanitan or Weavile would be best to replace, but I'm looking for a second opinion on this.

Posted by: Samoo Aug 4 2012, 09:41 AM

Battle #1,302,217
Garchomp used Flame Wheel.
It's super-effective!
Spin Of Death fainted!
EV Training won the battle!
Samoo gained 0 points and 26,107 EXP!
EV Training: Hmmm, you should focus more on EVs, like I do!
Your streak ended at 511!

aww :c Dangit aha. I got to 500 so that's ok I guess xD

Posted by: Alex Mercer Aug 4 2012, 09:56 AM

Still a crazy impressive streak.

...also, your sig is adorable.

Maple... hmm. Fire is a necessity, given ferrothorn and other tanking steels. If your Haxorus will have a fire gem, replace that. Otherwise, weavile, as Hax will nail dragons.

Edit: Whose team was the atomic punches? I just faced them, and I remembered them.

Interesting set, but the AI was being stupid. I... never had to switch pokemon. I led with my Aggron (metal claw/rock throw/amnesia/recover) and I swept the entire team using one recover and one boost. The AI did not know what to do with me and kept switching in and out, occasionally pausing its switching long enough to score a hit.

So... idk what to tell you, besides kick the AI in the nuts?

Posted by: regitrio3 Aug 4 2012, 10:09 AM

Milotic is also a possible replacement option, if all it really does is tanks fire and setup sweeps. These two things are what I do with my Haxorus and he accomplishes both exceptionally well. You would still have Sawk/Darmanitan to beat Ice and Ferrothorn could switch into any dragon that Haxorus couldn't beat on the switch., and you would lose weakness against electric and grass.

Posted by: Alex Mercer Aug 4 2012, 10:11 AM

That, and there are better options for switching into fire.

Posted by: Samoo Aug 4 2012, 10:26 AM

What would you guys suggest as a good Ice Type? I'm thinking of getting a good special attack IV'd Glaceon and giving it a choice scarf.

However... I'd need 2 other Pokémon. I'm aiming for speed and attack/special attack, perhaps a better wall than Ferrothorn too..

Posted by: Alex Mercer Aug 4 2012, 10:35 AM

Ooh, electric gem ground type. Good idea.

Er. I was thinking of getting a glaceon myself, but somebody shot it down. I'd like to know a good pure ice type myself...

Choice scarf glaceon does sound like a good idea, though. I was thinking about this; http://gpxplus.net/info/vhBdK

Not ideal nature, but good IVs anyway.

Ferro is an excellent wall... I will say that my experience with Aggron has been veeeery effective, and Bastiodon is also a good choice (I think Basti has less phys def and more spec def)

Posted by: Samoo Aug 4 2012, 10:43 AM

QUOTE(Alex Mercer @ Aug 4 2012, 04:35 PM)

Ooh, electric gem ground type. Good idea.

Er. I was thinking of getting a glaceon myself, but somebody shot it down. I'd like to know a good pure ice type myself...

Choice scarf glaceon does sound like a good idea, though. I was thinking about this; http://gpxplus.net/info/vhBdK

Not ideal nature, but good IVs anyway.

Ferro is an excellent wall... I will say that my experience with Aggron has been veeeery effective, and Bastiodon is also a good choice (I think Basti has less phys def and more spec def)

Posted by: Alex Mercer Aug 4 2012, 10:47 AM

Thanks, my neverending eevee hunt has yielded a lot of really good pokemon. Like, to the point where I've abandoned plenty of ~135 IV ones. Sometimes I'd evolve them before doing so, so somebody would pick them up and perhaps use them.

I currently have a 156 espeon, a 172 umbreon, and 162 Flareon at level 100. Flareon is slow but powerful, Umbreon... I need to stop trying to use it as an attacker and make him tank, and Espeon is pretty solid.

Edit: Hmm. Should I use this guy? http://gpxplus.net/info/EOZGK

Posted by: Klaine Aug 4 2012, 10:55 AM

It's pretty good. But for Ferrothorn, often you'll want it to be a mixed wall, so a Careful or Sassy nature will help it better protect against special attackers. But as far as physical walls go, that one will definitely work. The thing with Ferrothorn is that it's at the very least decent no matter what its IVs are.

I really want to use http://new.gpxplus.net/info/AHqpd, but I can't find a place in my team to put her... Anyone up for a test battle that I can use him in?

(P.S. I love how this thread has strayed from the battle subway and is now about all battling in general. )

EDIT: Haha, thanks. It's pretty fragile, but I guess it works with a lot of luck.

Posted by: Alex Mercer Aug 4 2012, 10:58 AM

Hmm, all right, thanks. Not like those are terribly difficult eggs to find, either.

I'll challenge you

Edit: ahahaa. Nice. Good choice with the ground gem.

Also, intelligent of me to forget about the 'flying' half at the beginning.

Still, a rock type or ice type will force you to back out while you're powering up.

Posted by: Samoo Aug 4 2012, 10:59 AM

QUOTE(Alex Mercer @ Aug 4 2012, 04:47 PM)

For a ferrothorn it seems ok. It's got relatively good IV's in defence, attack and special defence

Posted by: Alex Mercer Aug 4 2012, 11:03 AM

I've used an Espeon and Alakazam in comparison before, and the Espeon was actually stronger. Then again, I don't remember what nature the Alakazam had.

'Zam is faster, though.

Posted by: Klaine Aug 4 2012, 11:19 AM

Back on the subject of the Battle Subway, what were some of the difficult teams you guys faced? Or what teams have you lost to?

Posted by: Samoo Aug 4 2012, 11:21 AM

I'd much sooner have a faster one lol.

I got my one: http://new.gpxplus.net/info/pMLGK
Rash nature with 29 IV's in special attack seems good! I also hatched a Naive Eevee with good speed IV's... I was thinking of switching it with Manectric to Jolteon

Jolteon is much faster than Manectric, however it's Special Attack is lower... only by a base stat of 7 though. Then again my Manectric only has 12 IV's in special attack..

I'll level them up and see the difference.

Posted by: Alex Mercer Aug 4 2012, 11:23 AM

Your demon squirrel!

Er, there have been a few where I just really wasn't paying attention and made a stupid mistake. Or I got bugged into losing a turn/undoing a turn, and that just gets weird.

I don't remember the names of the teams that really overpowered me. Only faced one or two so far.

Note to self, counter deathsugarglider.

And that Glaceon looks promising.

Posted by: Klaine Aug 4 2012, 11:24 AM

That Glaceon looks great Sam, but I'm worried about that Rash nature and 0 Sp. Def IVs. Combined, the two of them will make it a bit hard for Glaceon to take neutral special attacks, of which there will be many.

As for me, I've lost to many a Fighting/Ground type with an Electric Gem. My only counter to Fighting and Ground types is my Gyarados, and when that doesn't work out... *splat* I'm thinking of getting a good Ghost type as a secondary wall.

And haha, thanks!

Posted by: Alex Mercer Aug 4 2012, 11:26 AM

I'm assuming the Glaceon is getting scarfed, meaning it wasn't supposed to take hits anyways. ...without specs, though, it's not likely to 1hko neutrals. So yes, it would falter more quickly.

Posted by: Samoo Aug 4 2012, 11:34 AM

QUOTE(Alex Mercer @ Aug 4 2012, 05:26 PM)

Posted by: Maplehoof Aug 4 2012, 12:00 PM

Thank for the feedback ^^ I think I'll try switching out Crobat for Reuniclus and Darmanitan, for Fire gem Haxorus. I'm reluctant to drop Milotic because my current 5:1 physical/special ratio hasn't really been too smart . I'll probably swap it later once I hatch some better IV'd pokes.

I also have a Gengar (well, once it's foggy) and Dugtrio available, would it be best to swap any of them in?

Posted by: Klaine Aug 4 2012, 12:08 PM

Sam, the main problem that I can see is that your team is pretty Fighting-weak. A fast Fighting-type like Primeape, Hitmonlee, Mienshao, or an enemy Sawk, which are all pretty common, could come in and damage you quite a bit, whether Alakazam is involved or not.

Also, ground attacks are neutral to all of your team members.

Have you tried out using a http://new.gpxplus.net/info/GKzWD? It's slower and less powerful than Alakazam, but it outspeeds things often (including most Fighting types) as a good revenge pinch killer and would give you valuable resistances. You could also use Lugia; though it's slower and even less powerful, it's bulkier as a wall.

Posted by: Samoo Aug 4 2012, 12:50 PM

QUOTE(Klaine @ Aug 4 2012, 06:08 PM)

Posted by: Alex Mercer Aug 4 2012, 01:26 PM

...I was going to say something sassy and I totally gave myself an idea.

Posted by: regitrio3 Aug 4 2012, 03:31 PM

Has anyone else seen a dual-type poke with a Strong move? This happened twice to me in the tower, once saving me (Thrash on a Flareon let my Escavalier beat it) and once killed me (Nasty Plot Ice Gem Lucario with Focus Blast). The only other time I've seen this is in my Gyarados, who knows Waterfall instead of Aerial Ace.

Posted by: Samoo Aug 4 2012, 03:35 PM

QUOTE(regitrio3 @ Aug 4 2012, 09:31 PM)

Has anyone else seen a dual-type poke with a Strong move? This happened twice to me in the tower, once saving me (Thrash on a Flareon let my Escavalier beat it) and once killed me (Nasty Plot Ice Gem Lucario with Focus Blast). The only other time I've seen this is in my Gyarados, who knows Waterfall instead of Aerial Ace.

Spoiler (click to showhide)

From what I can see, anything with an updated moveset will keep that moveset, even if it changes type. This would explain all three instances in which I saw it. If anyone else knows more about this, do tell.

Posted by: Alex Mercer Aug 4 2012, 03:57 PM

Yeah, the dual-type strong attack comes from a pokemon that was a single type in a previous evolution.

Posted by: Klaine Aug 4 2012, 03:58 PM

Now that I'm up there with my streak I really want to continue to 1000, but at the same time, I want to wait for the rewards... ugh. I can't seem to make a decision. :/

Posted by: 2technogeeks Aug 4 2012, 04:01 PM

Yeah, if a dual-type evolves from a monotype, you can keep the strong move on it. However, you cannot have both the old strong move and the new weak move (the strong move disappears from the attack selection menu).

This also applies to dual-types that change types (Onix, Rotom, etc.). You can keep the old moves if you want to.

This could be useful from an item standpoint. Say you have a Fire Gem, but you don't have an Ghost Gem, and you want a Rotom-H with Ember, Thundershock, and Ominous Wind. You can use the Fire Gem to give Rotom all three, and then form change it to Rotom-H.

Posted by: regitrio3 Aug 4 2012, 04:14 PM

I guess that sounds right, and it would also make Froslass competent as a "mono" ice-type sweeper for Sam to try out, since it isn't weak to fighting. Bar that, Outragemence and Focus Blast Lucario are the only things I can really think of that would benefit from this. And looking back, the Aerial Ace I saw on a Scizor may not have been gemmed at all.

Posted by: Klaine Aug 4 2012, 04:17 PM

Haha, I actually use this quite a bit, on pokemon such as Bidofo, Dracowymsy, Rotom, and Tyranitar.

Posted by: Samoo Aug 4 2012, 04:22 PM

so... this is my roster now:

Posted by: Alex Mercer Aug 4 2012, 04:23 PM

Yes. The new additions need pithy nicknames!

That aside, choice specs Liepard?

Posted by: Samoo Aug 4 2012, 04:28 PM

QUOTE(Alex Mercer @ Aug 4 2012, 10:23 PM)

Posted by: Alex Mercer Aug 4 2012, 04:31 PM

Hm. Weird.

Idk, I never went for any choice solely for speed - it had to be exceptionally good at one of the attack stats, or there was less of a need for speed. I think Darkrai is a stronger spot there, but probably slower. But then again, I was never much of a strategist beyond excessive type coverage.

And nicknames! What's more fun, fighting an Alakazam or fighting a 'There is no spoon'? ...not that that fits, but yeah.

Posted by: 2technogeeks Aug 4 2012, 04:54 PM

So uh

I saw Klaine preparing for battle #580

I clicked away for a couple seconds

And then it was over.

._.

dat kingdra

Posted by: pumpkinking0192 Aug 4 2012, 05:05 PM

My streaks are tending to get stopped in the high 20's, so I thought I'd ask here if anyone has any advice for my team. In particular, I'm having lots of trouble dealing with Fighting-types... I tried an Alakazam, but it was way too fragile, and at a glance my Tornadus looks similarly fragile, so if anyone wants to advise me on something more bulky, preferably with Strong attacks, that can counter Fighting-types, it'd be much appreciated. As well as any other advice for the team.

(I don't battle outside of NPCs and the Subway at all, so I have no qualms about putting my entire team up here for public scrutiny.)

Posted by: regitrio3 Aug 4 2012, 05:29 PM

You don't have a haxorus, your team is invalid.

As a bulky Psychic, Reuniclus seems to work well, but while I can't vouch for it personally Sigilyph seems to be popular as a hard counter for fighting types. Darmanitan-Z also would work without ruining the defensive synergy that doesn't seem to be bad, and you could quickly test that by switching your already existing Darmanitan to its other form, and if it works then you could get a new one with better IVs for its special-based form.

Posted by: 2technogeeks Aug 4 2012, 05:37 PM

Reuniclus, Slowbro, Deoxys-D, Musharna, Bronzong, Rustong, and maybe even Wobbuffet (probably not) are great bulky choices for countering Fighting. Sigiliph, Swoobat, and Xatu resist Fighting enough to be considered bulky counters as well (although Swoobat is pretty garbage overall), but don't have Strong moves. Espeon is good too, but is a tad fragile. Lugia and Lati@s have potential as well. Gardevoir and Gallade are pretty good too, although I find the latter to be superior. If you use one of these, I'd probably replace Mismagius or Vaporeon.

Zen Mode Darmanitan is useful as well. If your Darmanitan has good Special Attack, you can go ahead and form change it. Otherwise, if you choose ZMD, replace your Darmanitan.

Drifblim, Vespiquen, and other Bug/Flying types can work too. Unfortunately, the only pure Flying type is Tornadus, so you'll be stuck with Weak Flying moves. Volcarona is pretty good too, but doesn't have supereffective moves. Again, Mismagius would probably have to go.

You could also use Gliscor. It's a great physical wall that also resists Fighting. As long as you have a counter to Ice on your team or a Fire/Fighting Gem, its a pretty good choice. Although, you already have a Ferrothorn, so you might not want another wall that much. Skarmory can accomplish a very similar task, although it does not resist Fighting. If you do use this, you should probably replace Donphan or Ferrothorn.

Depending on your Donphan's IVs, you could use that. Give it Leftovers and Iron Defense or something, and it's a pretty good physical wall.

I personally use Reuniclus, and it works fine. I've used Zen Mode Darmanitan (although I think it was in 25-50), and it is great as well. I tried out Latias briefly, but not really long enough to get a real opinion on it. I haven't tried the others, but I've seen/used them both in standard play and in the Battle Tower and can vouch for their ability.

EDIT: I went ahead and bolded what I think to be better choices, since I wasn't that specific about how I felt about them specifically.

Posted by: Flamewire Aug 4 2012, 05:40 PM

Posted by: 2technogeeks Aug 4 2012, 05:58 PM

QUOTE(Flamewire @ Aug 4 2012, 05:40 PM)

Posted by: regitrio3 Aug 4 2012, 06:01 PM

I think your team's weakest link is Heatran, as there are much better things out there to tank dragons and he can't even hit the dragons back. Ferrothorn, Escavalier, Klingklang, Scizor, Mawile?, Registeel, and the like are all better choices, but if you do opt to stay with Heatran then definitely take the ice gem over electric, as it hits ground types hard as well as the dragons you're trying to tank, and the only coverage you lose is water which you have multiple switch-ins for. Also I'm not liking the use of that many legends in general, I could be wrong but as it is much harder to acquire a legendary it is also harder to get good natures/IVs on them. If they're all good then keep them, but if they're not then you could probably make some substitutions. Zoroark would work over Darkrai, Kingdra over Palkia, etc. But only make those switches if the legends' IVs aren't too good. And last of all, why do you have non-damaging moves on choiced pokes, especially Deoxys? Even with Darkrai, Physical works over non-damaging. Haxorus could also afford to use Swords Dance/Agility over Recover since all 3 PP most often go into Outrage anyway.

Posted by: Flamewire Aug 4 2012, 06:41 PM

Deoxys-A has a Brave nature and a speed IV of 3, so it's overall speed stat is 277. I'm keeping it because of the 419 attack. I selected the legends because that's a large part of my level 100 pool of Pokemon, I have many legendaries at level 100 but not a whole lot of others. I'll look for those gems for Haxorus and Heatran, thanks. Thanks for all of the advice, both of you. I appreciate it a lot! ^^

Posted by: Alex Mercer Aug 4 2012, 06:46 PM

Actually, speaking from personal experience, Palkia can be a very effective wall, but it's better to have a specific wall too, preferrably one that covers some of Palkia's neutrals and Dragon. I use Aggron.

Posted by: 2technogeeks Aug 4 2012, 07:05 PM

It's been a little while since anyone has discussed these, but how are everyone's NPCs holding up? Most of mine are getting into the 20s in battle counts, so I'm curious to see how others are doing, now that the Subway is more popular.

Personally, my worst two (which are monotypes) have 1/8 and 3/20, and my best two have 4/7 and 4/0. That last one was just added last night, actually.

I really need to get back into making some random themed teams. The Subway actually opening has really distracted me, and having to take off the items from my team gets a little irritating.

Posted by: regitrio3 Aug 4 2012, 07:08 PM

My one little guy has a 4-8 record.

Edit: Alex Mercer, seeing as the combined total of Palkia and Aggron is fighting-weak, what do you use to combat that?

Posted by: pumpkinking0192 Aug 4 2012, 07:39 PM

NPCs: The one I actually put effort into making is now 12-11. I also intended to do monotypes for all 17 types, but only bothered to do a Bug one, which is at 0-11.

Also, thanks to regitrio and 2technogeeks for the team advice. Reuniclus or Sigilyph will be the first thing I IV-grind for, but in the meantime, I found a well-IV'd Slowbro and Deoxys to try out as well. The Slowbro's doing sort of okay now, but I can tell it'll be much better once Leftovers rotates into the Prize Shop so I can pick up another. As for the Deoxys, it's currently in Speed forme, so I'll have to wait for an Aurora. But anyway, thanks guys, it was a big help.

Posted by: Klaine Aug 4 2012, 07:57 PM

My two good NPCs are currently at 8/8 and 9/6.

I'm thinking of using a Leftovers defense core of Slowbro and Tangrowth/Amoonguss, to mimic my Kingdra and Ferrothorn core, if my tests work out and I can get some good-Natured and -IVed ones. I'll be practicing against normal NPCs, because I honestly don't want to take any risks with my Subway streak.

Posted by: regitrio3 Aug 4 2012, 08:02 PM

Extreme Makeover: Team Edition

I would've thought the rewards would be out now, but I guess I just really want prize points. Until then, I think I'll let making my team better take precedence over doing subway runs.

Posted by: 2technogeeks Aug 4 2012, 08:18 PM

I understand the amount of time it's taking to establish the rewards. In a feature like this, it's really hard to make it balanced. If the only reward was points, it would be vastly ignored, and if it was Prize Points, everyone would get rich. Even if it was like 20 in a row=1 Prize Point, then people who are good at the Subway suddenly get everything, which would also be inbalanced. If you just got Battle Tower items, then well, you're just going around in circles.

I feel like the only good way to balance out the Subway is with the classic BP system, but that's just my opinion.

Anyways, what item should my Reuniclus have? I haven't given it a Gem because I want to keep both Nasty Plot and Recover, and I haven't given it a Choice item because I have Nasty Plot and Recover. For now I've just been giving any Team members with no item the Quick Claw, which is what Reuniclus has. Should I give it some Leftovers instead?

Posted by: Alex Mercer Aug 4 2012, 09:17 PM

QUOTE(regitrio3 @ Aug 4 2012, 08:08 PM)

Posted by: regitrio3 Aug 4 2012, 09:51 PM

Honestly Reuniclus has the defenses and move slot to not need the Leftovers recovery. I would just keep the Quick Claw and save those Lefties for someone else, and if you get lucky then Reuniclus will be fast (mind blown)!

Edit: I was thinking something like 1-2 prize points for 40-50 wins and points/battle items under that so that to get prize points at all you would need to put quite a bit of honest effort into building your team, and even if every battle is a quick setup sweep repeatedly getting that many wins takes time, and if you fall short you get something that can potentially make you better. But BP is a good idea too.

Posted by: Eat My Bad Brains Aug 4 2012, 10:05 PM

I just submitted my first team! And probably my only one for awhile. At least the only one with decent pokemon.... I don't have a 2nd leftovers and I think I'll keel over and die before I use precious Prize Points on another.
However, if any deity of any sort is reading this, please to be not killing me if I do buy one....

I hope people get a kick out of it. Maybe the literal kind of "kick" as well~

.... I hope I "watered down" my humor enough... <-- talking about my trainer's comments, etc... btw... if that wasn't clear. aha.

Nothing really inappropriate. Just silly! I know little chillens use this site.... <____<

Since I submitted him he's won a total of 0/0 battles. Amazing, I know u__u

Posted by: Obsidian Shadow Aug 4 2012, 10:18 PM

My team of Floazel, Groudon, Eelektross, Typhlosion, Dialga and Tyranitar kills houses and burns down other teams. They have a hard time with Haxorus and Garchomp and several Fighting types. Any suggestions?

Posted by: pumpkinking0192 Aug 4 2012, 10:29 PM

QUOTE(2technogeeks @ Aug 4 2012, 08:18 PM)

QUOTE(regitrio3 @ Aug 4 2012, 09:51 PM)

Posted by: Alex Mercer Aug 4 2012, 10:37 PM

Well, you said it straight - your team is heavy on attack, but doesn't have any solid defense - that's probably just a position you switch around depending on your current foe and who resists who. Which... could work okay, but you seem to have a pretty big ground weakness, which is not good. Four of your members are weak to it, and that's really going to hurt if your Groudon and Floatzel are down and a ground foe shows up.

Garchomp is relatively obvious, trouble-wise - ground. Hax... you don't have anything that will resist a dragon move. And haxorus hits like a truck.

You need a tank. It looks like that position is maybe filled by groudon or dialga? I have a fake groudon that can take hits all right. Dialga would be a good bulwark, but given the prominence of dragon types, it can't effectively hold its ground against them like a proper tank. So I'd suggest getting a steel tank such as a ferrothorn, aggron, or bastiodon, and... if it were me, I'd replace Tyrannitar, since Dialga is a very good counter for dragons that aren't Haxorus or possibly Druddigon, if anyone ever uses that.

However, that doesn't help your ground weakness in the least. I... I'm not the best person to ask for this, because I'm not really savvy about this, but I'd either replace your Eelektross with Emolga or your Typhlosion with Charizard. Something to give the same type advantage but a ground resistance. Losing the strong attack is inevitable, but you really can't afford for your team to get wiped on the grace of a single type.

Posted by: regitrio3 Aug 4 2012, 11:17 PM

Though it isn't much used in these battles, Skarmory might make an effective tank for this team. He resists both Dragon and Ground, while having the defense to eat a strong Fighting attack or two while hitting back for supereffective. Sigilyph deals with Fighting and Ground but would still gut hit hard by dragons. None of their weaknesses are problem types for your team, so doubling up with those probably wouldn't be an issue. Not sure who to replace though.

Posted by: Kamikaze Shrub Aug 5 2012, 01:22 AM

QUOTE(2technogeeks @ Aug 4 2012, 05:05 PM)

It's been a little while since anyone has discussed these, but how are everyone's NPCs holding up? Most of mine are getting into the 20s in battle counts, so I'm curious to see how others are doing, now that the Subway is more popular.

Personally, my worst two (which are monotypes) have 1/8 and 3/20, and my best two have 4/7 and 4/0. That last one was just added last night, actually.

I really need to get back into making some random themed teams. The Subway actually opening has really distracted me, and having to take off the items from my team gets a little irritating.

Posted by: Pizza Guy111 Aug 5 2012, 04:06 AM

My NPC team's won 5 battles so far. Compared to the 18 battles he's been in, I think that's good. :P

Posted by: jalern Aug 5 2012, 04:41 AM

Mine has lost 19 and won 3. Not surprising since I gave him a weak team.

Posted by: Klaine Aug 5 2012, 11:08 AM

Sigh... streak ended at 673. That was a tough battle. Darmanitan OHKOed my Kingdra with one critical hit Flare Blitz and that was it.

EDIT: Sigh... streak ended at 1.

Posted by: Alex Mercer Aug 5 2012, 11:34 AM

Was it at +6? Critical hit or not, it's double-ineffective...

Also, damn.

Posted by: Klaine Aug 5 2012, 11:39 AM

Actually, +4. But that's still a lot. Usually the Darmanitan faints before it faints Kingdra. But this time, that crit combined with above-average defenses helped it stay on with about 5%.

Posted by: 2technogeeks Aug 5 2012, 01:46 PM

Ouch, what happened to that streak of one? Do you remember what NPC it was?

I finally broke 100 last night. It's kind of disappointing that the stats don't update until the streak ends. I want to see where I am right now.

My matches are kind of slow, mainly because if there's a Fire or Fighting type then I have to do a huge switching war. Adding Haxorus remedied the Fire problem, but Fighting types or still annoying.

Posted by: Soma Ghost Aug 5 2012, 04:34 PM

Actually, there is a way to check your current streak as well as find out who created each NPC team. During each battle, if you go to the Battle Subway tab while you have an Active NPC Battle going on, the current NPC, its descr., your current streak, and the NPC's creator all show up in one spot above all of your created NPCs. It just kinda popped up on me while I was strolling around the other tabs the other day.

As for my created NPCs, the ones that I made using at least some effort are doing generally better than the ones that I made using some random theme (aka the lulzy ones).

Win/Loss
6/7
1/19 (expected, as it's a lulz team)
5/13 (my other lulz team, but it does actually use a decent variety of pokes)
10/12
4/1 (made this one either last night or the night before)

Posted by: regitrio3 Aug 6 2012, 02:27 PM

I just got over 100 again, hopefully going to continue and solidify my #8 Longest Streak spot or maybe even go up a notch or two.

3 battles further than my old record and got my streak ended by a Swoobat

Posted by: 2technogeeks Aug 6 2012, 04:47 PM

QUOTE(Soma Ghost @ Aug 5 2012, 04:34 PM)

Posted by: pumpkinking0192 Aug 6 2012, 04:53 PM

QUOTE(2technogeeks @ Aug 6 2012, 04:47 PM)

QUOTE(Soma Ghost @ Aug 5 2012, 04:34 PM)

Actually, there is a way to check your current streak as well as find out who created each NPC team. During each battle, if you go to the Battle Subway tab while you have an Active NPC Battle going on, the current NPC, its descr., your current streak, and the NPC's creator all show up in one spot above all of your created NPCs. It just kinda popped up on me while I was strolling around the other tabs the other day.

I meant to check my ranking (#20, #395, etc.) compared to other users. Currently, the stat on my page is 41 in a row, haha. It's around #30 or so, but I want to see where I actually am.

Posted by: Kamikaze Shrub Aug 6 2012, 05:07 PM

QUOTE(2technogeeks @ Aug 6 2012, 02:47 PM)

QUOTE(Soma Ghost @ Aug 5 2012, 04:34 PM)

Actually, there is a way to check your current streak as well as find out who created each NPC team. During each battle, if you go to the Battle Subway tab while you have an Active NPC Battle going on, the current NPC, its descr., your current streak, and the NPC's creator all show up in one spot above all of your created NPCs. It just kinda popped up on me while I was strolling around the other tabs the other day.

I meant to check my ranking (#20, #395, etc.) compared to other users. Currently, the stat on my page is 41 in a row, haha. It's around #30 or so, but I want to see where I actually am.

I threw together 9 Poliwraths for a random NPC team, since I've gotten so many of them for Explorations.

Posted by: regitrio3 Aug 7 2012, 04:15 PM

I never liked facing Poliwraths, they shut down my would-be Escavalier solos.

Sometimes I wonder how electric types, which are quite abundant on npc teams, function at all in the subway. I mean, Electric isn't bad on offense or defense, but two of the subway's top-tier threats -- Haxorus and Ferrothorn -- completely wall them, and set up in their faces, and then proceed to rip massive chunks out of the poor opponent's team. The same goes for water and grass types, though I haven't seen quite as many of those. Fires too, but only with Haxorus as a resist. Given their lack of prowess against things that simply cannot be given a free turn, these types would by anyone's guess almost never be used at all, and yet they run rampant, threatening the safety of their entire team should one of the "big two" switch in.

And now I have no idea why I just wrote that. Whatever.

Posted by: 2technogeeks Aug 7 2012, 05:03 PM

Welp, streak ended at 162.

A Lefties Steelix got a Swords Dance up and then Critical Hit swept my team until it got another Swords Dance up on Reuniclus, and then it was GG. That was a very depressing match.

Posted by: Mr Spaz Aug 7 2012, 05:27 PM

...I think one of the NPCs cussed me out.

Posted by: Sweetie Bloomaloo Aug 7 2012, 06:41 PM

Well I am in the top 10 for all stats for this except for longest streak which is rank 44

Posted by: regitrio3 Aug 8 2012, 09:18 AM

Top ten in all but battles lost, lol.
I just now added another team, and this one has a chance of actually doing well. Obviously it hasn't battled yet

Posted by: Snowsky Aug 8 2012, 02:33 PM

I can't wait until the Battle Subway actually starts giving out rewards, it's going to be so awesome /)^3^(\

I noticed something today, though: the members of one team all tend to use the same tactic. If one swaps out when confronted with a Pokémon that has a type advantage, the others will do the same thing. If one decides to attempt a sweep using Swords Dance or Nasty Plot, the other Pokémon will follow suit.

Posted by: Eat My Bad Brains Aug 8 2012, 03:41 PM

My one and only team has been in 5 matches... and won only one. lol. /facepalm

I didn't think it sucked that much... but tbqh, I don't know right from left when it comes to battling. I just never cared enough. I'm a lover [or collector, rather], not a fighter ;P

I wonder who has fought "the wannabe emperor" ( <-- not what my NPC is actually called, per se)! I want to know people's reactions, dangnabbit! Are we even allowed to release the names of our NPCs or is it against the rules? No one has seemed to have done it as yet...

And no, I don't care how easy or hard it was to be him. I'm talking more along the lines of the dialogue... which I put more thought into than the team XD

Working on a certain superhero group based team right now... still trying to get things with at least decent IVS though...

Eh, I think I'm going to need to get another box to put IV pokemon in... I used to keep IV pokemon for the VS seeker to level to 100 and then release, but now I may actually keep some... but I only have so much room... and during big-arse multipliers.... welp, eehhhh... you get my drift, perhaps. 8|

I should seriously try out the battle subway sometimes soon... just to keep my feet wet... plus, I need master battler still and I'm not even half-way there. I haven't battled for anything but explorations in months... some people are lazy clickers, I'm a lazy battler...sometimes even a lazy everything... might as well make my middle name lazy. or I could become a equine Disc Jockey and call myself DJ LAZ-E aha xD

Posted by: Alex Mercer Aug 9 2012, 07:32 PM

I just faced a team named NARWHALS that got me to laugh. XD Props to whoever made it. Not a bad fight, either.

Posted by: regitrio3 Aug 10 2012, 07:31 PM

Since http://new.gpxplus.net/info/rJDqK hatched I'm going to take the golden opportunity it provides and do a legit test of a +Speed Haxorus, and then decide if I should keep it or my +Atk one.

Posted by: Fading Like The Lilac Aug 14 2012, 12:53 PM

The Golden Wrenches
Total battles: 31
Wins: 4
Losses: 27


The Rawket Lawnchairs
Total battles: 32
Wins: 2
Losses: 30


The Atomic Punches
Total battles: 34
Wins: 7
Losses: 27

IT'S OFFICIAL. MY TEAMS SUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK.

Help? ;__;

EDIT:

QUOTE(Alex Mercer @ Aug 4 2012, 03:56 PM)

Posted by: Alex Mercer Aug 14 2012, 01:22 PM

That's a pretty similar ratio to mine. I wouldn't worry about it. Consider that many users run streaks of 20, 50, even 100 or beyond. That's x-1 number of losses to 1 win, where NPC teams are concerned.

Posted by: Kamikaze Shrub Aug 14 2012, 04:00 PM

The Incredible Losers sure are living up to their name. One win, 13 losses.

Right now I'm working on a series of teams for Estelle, one of the gym leaders in a fangame I'm working on. Though unlike her game incarnation, she doesn't use only one type, since I didn't want her to be too easy to beat. Then I'm taking an idea from some Pokemon chilling in my PC in Emerald and making a team based around the FOEs from Etrian Odyssey.

Posted by: regitrio3 Aug 14 2012, 08:18 PM

Wow, those make my 11-13 and 2-5 teams sound incredible.
Also, I won't be battling much until my new computer gets here, but hopefully I can still post and teambuild.

Posted by: 2technogeeks Aug 14 2012, 08:49 PM

My top two are 10-11 and 10-12. I feel pretty good about that.

I'm undecided on whether I should wait for the prizes before resuming the Subway, though. BB said it should be here soon (he actually said last week/last weekend, but whatevs), so I'm trying to decide if I should wait so I can get the low-tier items or just go straight for the high-tier when they arrive. :/

Posted by: Quiver Dance Aug 19 2012, 05:59 AM

So uhm... scores now exist and they're confusing me ._.

The team that's lost the most has a score of 35 and the team I actually put together properly has a score of -155... I'm confused? o-o

Posted by: Icon Aug 19 2012, 08:36 AM

My only subway team got -45 score. And I regularly loose with these pokes in my battle team

Posted by: 2technogeeks Aug 19 2012, 11:13 AM

As far as I can tell, losses are -1 and wins are +10. Kinda makes sense. But now, since my best teams have less wins (and less losses) than another one, they aren't the "best" ones anymore.

My top are 107, 97, 97, and 89. Kind of odd how two of them are equal. One of them has both ten more losses and one more win.

Posted by: Quiver Dance Aug 19 2012, 11:28 AM

QUOTE(2technogeeks @ Aug 19 2012, 05:13 PM)

Posted by: Zero Gravity Aug 19 2012, 02:23 PM

Seems interesting

Posted by: regitrio3 Aug 20 2012, 03:53 PM

31/31 Atk/Spd Jolly Haxorus, thanks vitamins <3

My NPCs are at 144 and 43 respectively after 32 and 12 battles.

Posted by: Maplehoof Aug 20 2012, 04:12 PM

Has anyone gotten an EXP All yet? I feel it'd require a really high streak, but I'd like it as a way to raise pokemon quickly - i find battling more interesting than using the pokewalker.

Posted by: Alex Mercer Aug 21 2012, 11:53 AM

Mrm, question.

http://gpxpl.us/vneUK

Given the lonely nature but perfect speed... band, scarf, or gem?

With Choice items, I'm afraid that the AI will do stupid things (since I have to give it four moves, and there are only two I want it to use in that case), but with the gem, I feel like it's not necessarily being the terrifying sweeper anymore.

And if I do give it a gem, which? Fire for steel coverage? Ground/fighting for the same, with the added bonus of being unexpected?

Posted by: regitrio3 Aug 21 2012, 03:55 PM

Wait, for you or for an ai?
If an ai is going to be using it, gem it, even if it's just for the teambuild. Also, make it fire or fighting because hitting Ferrothorn is a must. If you're using it on your normal team, I guess it depends on the rest of that team. If you have stuff to kill ferrothorns, give it a band and let it steamroll people. Haxorus' natural speed plus the nice IV will let you outspeed everything you have to. but if you get walled by it otherwise just keep the gem and give it a boosting move. Either way, that thing looks great.
If you have any vitamin uses left on it, acquire proteins and profit.
http://gpxpl.us/rJDqK
And that thing there will rock the socks off people when I finally get a fire gem .

Posted by: Levi Aug 21 2012, 06:00 PM

QUOTE(Maplehoof @ Aug 20 2012, 04:12 PM)

Posted by: Klaine Aug 21 2012, 07:11 PM

My top three NPC teams have scores of 188, 172, and 168. I'm assuming that's kind of good. How is everyone else doing?

Posted by: Someone Aug 21 2012, 07:23 PM

My two completely random teams I created to test around have a score of 6 and -8.

I still can't believe my first team won a battle, specially after how slapstick and illogical it is.

Posted by: Soma Ghost Aug 21 2012, 07:25 PM

QUOTE(Klaine @ Aug 21 2012, 07:11 PM)

Posted by: 2technogeeks Aug 21 2012, 07:35 PM

The problem with my NPCs is that they simply don't get into enough battles. Their win percentages are great, but they don't fight enough to have a high score.

My top is around ~160 or so now.

Posted by: Big Bidoof Aug 21 2012, 07:38 PM

There are probably about 2 000 NPCs in total now, so any one NPC will only get so much battle time, yup yup.

Posted by: Soma Ghost Aug 21 2012, 07:45 PM

QUOTE(Big Bidoof @ Aug 21 2012, 07:38 PM)

Posted by: Alex Mercer Aug 22 2012, 09:07 AM

Ooh, that Haxorus is a beast. And thanks.

I was thinking of using it on both. Maybe I'll band it for active use and gem it for AI.

Posted by: Late Aug 22 2012, 09:46 AM

I finally made my first Battle Subway team few days ago and it's score is now 56 (6 wins, 4 losses). I'm also trying to get better streak. My current streak is 55 and best is 67. I've also battled about 400 battles since Battle Subway was released and I'm trying to get Master Battler achievement (506/1000).

Posted by: Alex Mercer Aug 22 2012, 09:56 AM

I'm not getting great streaks (best is current, at 36), but I had Master Battler a long time ago.

Anyway, I just took off my Charizard's steel gem because I realized it was stupid (fire already covers ice, you won't leave Charizard in to attack a rock type), and after some thought, I replaced it with Ice.

http://gpxpl.us/gBuUT

It works beautifully. I tend to switch in Charizard to resist ground attacks, and this lets him attack back - and it lets me slaughter pokemon like Salamence, Flygon, and Rayquaza.

What's everyone else's not-entirely-mainstream 'mons that end out working wonderfully?

Posted by: regitrio3 Aug 22 2012, 02:11 PM

Are Escavalier, Zoroark, Serperior, Landorus, and Throh mainstream? Because that's who I use besides Haxorus.
Also, the combined total of my teams has a winning record (18-16, 7-8), which seems to be very nice given the streaks people are piling up.

Posted by: 2technogeeks Aug 22 2012, 02:42 PM

QUOTE(regitrio3 @ Aug 22 2012, 02:11 PM)

Posted by: Alex Mercer Aug 22 2012, 02:51 PM

Actually, I've been seeing a lot of Zoroarks. They're hard-hitters.

And yeah, those are really good ratios.

Posted by: Quiver Dance Aug 22 2012, 02:57 PM

QUOTE(Alex Mercer @ Aug 22 2012, 08:51 PM)

Posted by: 2technogeeks Aug 22 2012, 03:05 PM

Huh, that's odd. I haven't seen very many.

So far, all my losses have been Crit-sweeps. Usually goes something like this:

>Bad Matchup
>I switch, they crit the one coming in
>They crit again, taking mine out
>They use Swords Dance/Nasty Plot while I take out about 75% of their health
>They crit my remaining counters
>They sweep the rest of my team

:|

Posted by: Someone Aug 22 2012, 03:28 PM

I have no idea what Pokémon are mainstream and what not, but I tend to use my Sigyliph most of times. Its typing certainly isn't a great one, but it has good speed, 31 IVs in Special Attack, and after a Nasty Plot it can kill easily as long as the opponent doesn't have a resistance.

Besides, I gave it a Dragon Gem, and seeing how most Dragons have an average Special Defense it allows me to kill Dragonite, Garchomp, Palkia, Dialga and Salamence in one hit. I still don't dare to use Sigyliph agaisnt Hydreigon and the only Haxorus I encountered killed me with a critical attack.

Others I tend to use often are Scizor with Ice Gem (she stalls and kills so well) and Armaldo with a Quick Claw (what an awesome defense, even against super effective attacks).

Posted by: Alex Mercer Aug 22 2012, 04:32 PM

That Scizor has me intrigued. Sounds like an excellent setup. Ice and fire gems really are boss, aren't they? (I need an electric gem. )

You know, now that I'm using one... Haxorus isn't as fast as I thought. On my most used team, it's the third fastest pokemon there, and the second and first have it beat by a large margin.

On the other half of the coin, what are your duds? Pokemon you trained up, outfitted, and... did not wreak havoc. At all. Warning others, or just bemoaning lack of awesome.

http://gpxpl.us/MvyAT

Shadow Lugia is... fragile. Horribly. It gets ripped apart by neutral attacks very quickly, and while it does have a good Special Attack, it's too slow to outspeed anything and it won't survive setting up. The only use I've really ever gotten from it is switching in to block a strong Psychic attacker, like Reuniclus or Alakazam.

http://gpxpl.us/ouWMg

Even stronger, and not as fragile, but deceptively slow. And there are too many types that will switch in while you're setting up and force you to switch out.

Posted by: Kamikaze Shrub Aug 22 2012, 04:51 PM

Non-mainstream Pokemon that have worked out well: Torterra. Mine has an attack of 298, along with some decent defenses. I gave him a Quick Claw to make up for his awful speed, and it seems to activate at just the right times. As long as I can keep him away from super-effective attacks, he does a great job at both soaking up hits and doing good damage.

Posted by: 2technogeeks Aug 22 2012, 04:57 PM

QUOTE(Alex Mercer @ Aug 22 2012, 04:32 PM)

Posted by: Alex Mercer Aug 22 2012, 05:12 PM

Espeon and Charizard. Neutral nature, 31 speed IVs.

Posted by: 2technogeeks Aug 22 2012, 05:26 PM

Ah. Yeah, that makes sense. Espeon is a bullet anyways, and Charizard has 112 Speed, rather than Haxorus' 108. But I do seem to outspeed every Charizard I see, even though I don't have 31 Speed IVs (I think it's 27 or something) or a beneficial nature.

Most of my team is actually really slow. My current Fighting-type (which is pretty much the only slot that changes) is a Hitmontop, which isn't very fast, and the others are average at best.

I do use a Zergoose (which I may or may not switch out for a Feral), which is insanely quick, though.

On another note, has anyone gotten a BT Item from the Subway yet? I've seen people getting the Expansions and vitamins, and I've seen people talk about the lack of Exp. All, but I haven't seen anything said about the Gems and whatnot.

Posted by: Someone Aug 22 2012, 05:37 PM

QUOTE(Alex Mercer @ Aug 22 2012, 04:32 PM)

Posted by: regitrio3 Aug 22 2012, 06:54 PM

QUOTE(Alex Mercer @ Aug 22 2012, 05:32 PM)

Posted by: Alex Mercer Aug 22 2012, 07:33 PM

No battle tower items yet.

And I'd get a feral zergoose. Those things are like a regular zergoose, but with each stat made even more extreme.

My charizard is actually faster than my espeon. But charizard is timid and 31 speed, so it's not unexpected. 286 to Haxorus's 256.

Posted by: Megatron Aug 22 2012, 10:29 PM

My Dracowymsy is a legitimate beast, lol.
http://gpxpl.us/PbQzq

Packs 158 IVs and a Ghost Gem for any Psychic types. I've used her a lot (as noted by the battles she's been in) and she's ridiculous. Even one Swords Dance helps (a recent battle saw me with 5 Pokemon downed due to bad luck, she's sent in and wins it for me). Most of the time she can outspeed other Dragons (I usually down them with my Ferro unless she gets blasted away by a Fire type) so there's usually little issue with them. Flying types are iffy but I either switch out or try my luck. Ice types get swatted because she's part Fighting, so whee.

My usual team is Ferrothorn leading (typical set with Leftovers), Draco, Choice Spec'd Typhlosion, Espeon (holding Fighting Gem), Manectric (w/ Grass Gem) and one other random Pokémon from my assorted 'mons, usually one of my Choice 'mons. It's not some OMGWOW team but it works for me.

These were in a while before people started going for good IVs so not all of them have amazing stats (except my Draco, lol!)

Posted by: Klaine Aug 22 2012, 11:14 PM

I love tanking and resetting boosts with my Leftovers Stunfisk. It can take a boosted Earthquake and Haze back then switch out, plus its typing and attack coverage is brilliant seeing as most Grass types can be easily taken out (even NPC Ferrothorns have trouble sometimes with neutral ground attacks).

Posted by: Benedict Aug 23 2012, 02:09 PM

I'm really enjoying the Battle Subway. Most of the time I lead with my Garbodor and most of the times it manages to defeat two Pokémon with his Gunk Shot.

Posted by: Alex Mercer Aug 25 2012, 09:19 PM

Okay, whoever made the 'terrified commuter' trainer; I lol'd.

Posted by: Fading Like The Lilac Aug 25 2012, 09:28 PM

http://gpxpl.us/JjYsK

I want to fight with her- do you have ideas for moves/items or should I just not use her?

(Seriously, I have NO idea which of my Pokemon I should use in my team. At all.)