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Is Ash the worst trainer to ever battle Pokemon?, You decide.
Jeffrey
post Aug 18 2008, 05:53 PM
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Let's get real, folks. When he's not siccing Pikachu on Blaine's Rhydon or casually admitting that his Pidgeotto doesn't stand a chance against Erika's grass-types (namely her stupid Gloom), he's making his poor Heracross use nothing but normal attacks against a Scizor when a well-placed fighting-attack would have dropped it in one fell swoop...which really does beg a question:

Is Ash stupid, or does he genuinely want to put his Pokemon through as much agony as possible when he sets them up against impossible odds? (Pikachu@Onix...Oh, hell no)

It seems to me that he only wins his battles through sheer luck, or what must certainly be the high level of his Pokemon. He wins because his Pikachu's thunderbolt seems to be miracle multi-elemental attack that can drop Ground-types instantly - except for a few occasions, in which case he'll "use Rhydon's horn as a lightning rod", defeating it instantly. Um, if it's been established that Rhydon is immune to electric attacks, why does it matter how conductive his horn is?!

Ash's utter disregard for type advantage and his complete lack of battle sense (using a fighting type pokemon on a pokemon that is weak to fighting-type movies, but using normal ones) leads me to believe that Ash has won every one of his matches due to miraculous flukes of fate.

Ash Ketchum is a horrible Pokemon trainer. Prove me wrong.


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post Aug 18 2008, 05:58 PM
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there isnt any wrong claiming here. i havent watched the anime since johto, and i tought he was a shithaxxed lucked out trainer with a shiny noctowl.


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post Aug 18 2008, 07:55 PM
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I cant dissagree. plus i love how he beats everybody after they got stronger.


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post Aug 19 2008, 12:13 AM
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Agreed. Who sends a Pikachu against a Bellsprout (The first pokemon league)??? Seriously! Although his Heracross was just badass (even if it loved sucking bulbasaur) and he lucked out with his mini/shiny noctowl.

Also, if he has so many tauros, WHY THE FLYING PHUCK DOESN'T HE USE ONE OF THEM MORE OFTEN???? IT KNOWS A OHKO MOVE FOR GOD SAKES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


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post Aug 19 2008, 12:22 AM
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i completely forgot about those tauros, i would bring them all with me... massive OHKOS FOR EVERYONE!


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post Aug 19 2008, 12:30 AM
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QUOTE(the quiet quilava @ Aug 19 2008, 01:22 AM) *
i completely forgot about those tauros, i would bring them all with me... massive OHKOS FOR EVERYONE!

*Breaks into song* "It's family fissure time, it's family fissure time!" Sometimes I would like my family to fall into a fissure, lol

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post Aug 19 2008, 12:31 AM
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I have to agree. Ash is not the best trainer, in fact he is pretty bad, but at least he loves his Pokémon. And, seriously, that Pikachu must be Lv. 100 by now, maybe that's the secret to its magic.
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post Aug 19 2008, 12:38 AM
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Ash's pikachu has gone thought 4 other regions (Kanto, Jhoto, Orange Islands, and Hoenn) and when he enters Sinnoh, his pikachu can't defeat a bloody STARLY! A flying bird pokemon VERSUS an ELECTRIC pokemon.....At that point i gave us 100% on the anime (not to mention his voice now sucks)

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QUOTE(Missy Artichoke @ Aug 19 2008, 01:31 AM) *
I have to agree. Ash is not the best trainer, in fact he is pretty bad, but at least he loves his Pokémon. And, seriously, that Pikachu must be Lv. 100 by now, maybe that's the secret to its magic.

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post Aug 20 2008, 01:17 AM
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Ash sweats Gamesharks and Rare Candies. It's the only explaination.


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post Aug 20 2008, 11:33 AM
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I'm getting sick of all these anti-ash threads. If he was unbeatable the Anime would be boring!


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post Aug 20 2008, 01:39 PM
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QUOTE(Jeffrey @ Aug 18 2008, 03:53 PM) *
except for a few occasions, in which case he'll "use Rhydon's horn as a lightning rod", defeating it instantly. Um, if it's been established that Rhydon is immune to electric attacks, why does it matter how conductive his horn is?!



Also, one of Rhydon's abilities is Lightning Rod. XD

He's pretty terrible of a trainer. Overuses that Pikachu and whatever Grass starter he has. Why do people like cheering for Ash? O_o.gif


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QUOTE(empoleon dynamite @ Aug 20 2008, 12:33 PM) *
I'm getting sick of all these anti-ash threads. If he was unbeatable the Anime would be boring!

That's the problem - he is unbeatable. The fact that no one knows how the Hell he keeps raking in the victories with his wretched battle style. The simple fact is, he wins 99.9% of battles when we all know that he should have been pulverized. I simply can't suspend my disbelief in his case.


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post Aug 20 2008, 06:45 PM
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i cant deny that he does stupid things but
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he wins 99.9% of battles


if that were true he wouldve won the pokemon leagues in all regions and he wouldve never lost a gym battle
its an anime its not the same as the game type advantage isnt that big and stop hating because you dont have a shiny noctowl lucky git


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post Aug 21 2008, 06:19 PM
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QUOTE(masrelga @ Aug 20 2008, 07:45 PM) *
i cant deny that he does stupid things but
QUOTE(Jeffrey @ Aug 21 2008, 12:30 AM) *
he wins 99.9% of battles


if that were true he wouldve won the pokemon leagues in all regions and he wouldve never lost a gym battle
its an anime its not the same as the game type advantage isnt that big and stop hating because you dont have a shiny noctowl lucky git

Okay, 99.9% is exagerrated, but I think you get my points. He wins far too many battles that he shouldn't, and I think that bugs alot of people - myself included.

I'd take my normal-ass Garchomp over his shiny Noctowl any day. shift.gif


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post Aug 22 2008, 04:53 AM
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QUOTE(masrelga @ Aug 20 2008, 07:45 PM) *
i cant deny that he does stupid things but
QUOTE(Jeffrey @ Aug 21 2008, 12:30 AM) *
he wins 99.9% of battles


if that were true he wouldve won the pokemon leagues in all regions and he wouldve never lost a gym battle
its an anime its not the same as the game type advantage isnt that big and stop hating because you dont have a shiny noctowl lucky git


I like my dear Shimmer (Shiny Pelliper) and shiny Gastly more than his shiny Noctowl. :/ I WAS NOT ENVIOUS AT ALL WHEN I SAW HE HAD IT.

Hell, I'd rather have a Modest Female Feebas, and we all know what a pain to find that is.


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post Oct 12 2008, 08:28 PM
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He gets rid of all his good pokemon! In Kanto for example, he says to his Butterfree and Pigeot, "Bye! I'll see you again!" or something along those lines and guess what? He never sees them again. NEVER. And in one of the rounds in the Pokemon League in Kanto, he encounters grass types. Doesn't he end up losing that match? If he did, well no shit sherlock, he got rid of his damn Pigeot!

Whoops didn't pay attention to the dates.

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once upon an episode in the first season, a shithaxxed trainer, his perverted butt buddy, and his flat chested whore came across a trainer who was undefeated. the trainer battled this man with his pikachu, while the man battle with a sandshrew. "I CAN WIN YEAH! WOOOO" the trainer said with his upbeat, can-do attitude that makes you want to smother him with an igglybuff, and the trainer lost. "OH NOEZ I LOST HAO I HAS PIKACHU" the boy said. he challenged the man to another battle, and won somehow, by the hand of god (you know, the hand of god from the metal gear awesome flash by egoraptor.. OH GOD THERES BLOOD EVERYWERE OHGOD) and the pikachu triumphed over the ground type sandshrew. they all learned a lesson, the shithaxxd trainer learned that everyone HAS to be envious of him, getting a lvl 99 pikachu as his starter, the pervert learned that the shithaxxed trainer was looser than he was yesterday.... hmmm... that dirty cheating bastard. the flat chested whore learned that if she wants attention from the shithaxxed trainer, she needs to grow a penis.


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ash is not the greastest trainer but also not the worst eather in my opion


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You're right. Ash is a bad pokemon trainer.
But, his good luck does proves him to be a good trainer.


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