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Stem cell reaserch
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post Oct 5 2009, 03:01 PM
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The Japanese have created a similar process to that of embryonic stem cells that does not invole fetuses, so embryonic stem cell research is slaughtering children, plain and simple.


The word "slaughter" is an emotionally charged term, and using it makes you come off as someone who doesn't know how to conduct himself properly in a debate.


Definition of Slaughter from the American Herritage Dictionary:

TRANSITIVE VERB:
slaugh·tered , slaugh·ter·ing , slaugh·ters

1)To kill (animals) especially for food; butcher.

2) a. To kill (people) in large numbers; massacre.
b. To kill in a violent or brutal manner.

For one, that has NOTHING to do with my post, so you're just trying to look smart by ridiculing my word choice, very tolerant of you. Secondly, tens of millions of babies are killed by meathods of abortion and stem cell research, and they are killed by various painful procedures, looks like the exact definition of slaughter to me, huh?


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2.charged - fraught with great emotion; "an atmosphere charged with excitement"; "an emotionally charged speech" superchargedemotional - of more than usual emotion; "his behavior was highly emotional"


You could have said "kill" instead of slaughter, which is incorrect anyway, but that's not what I'm getting at. When you said "slaughter" instead of kill, you used a term that is meant to spark emotion instead of intelligent debate. It's like specifying 9/11 in a speech about a current disaster. 9/11 has nothing to do with today's society. It had alot to do with society 8 years ago, but bringing it up now only serves to bring people to your side with the use iof emotions and not fact.

Tell me, which sounds better.
"He killed the intruder."
"He mutilated the intruder."

Don't answer out loud because I know which one you'll say. You'll say the first one despite the fact that the second one is emotionally charged just to spite me. If slaughter means kill, then why say slaughter? Why not just say "kill"? I know that it's "true" by definition, so it's also true with the word "kill."

And to be honest, I don't have to try this hard to prove how smart I am.


You're saying that you're smart while randomly correcting my word choice instead of ACTUALLY PAYING ATTENTION TO MY POST. Wow.


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post Oct 5 2009, 04:56 PM
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The Japanese have created a similar process to that of embryonic stem cells that does not invole fetuses, so embryonic stem cell research is slaughtering children, plain and simple.


The word "slaughter" is an emotionally charged term, and using it makes you come off as someone who doesn't know how to conduct himself properly in a debate.


Definition of Slaughter from the American Herritage Dictionary:

TRANSITIVE VERB:
slaugh·tered , slaugh·ter·ing , slaugh·ters

1)To kill (animals) especially for food; butcher.

2) a. To kill (people) in large numbers; massacre.
b. To kill in a violent or brutal manner.

For one, that has NOTHING to do with my post, so you're just trying to look smart by ridiculing my word choice, very tolerant of you. Secondly, tens of millions of babies are killed by meathods of abortion and stem cell research, and they are killed by various painful procedures, looks like the exact definition of slaughter to me, huh?


http://www.thefreedictionary.com/charged

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2.charged - fraught with great emotion; "an atmosphere charged with excitement"; "an emotionally charged speech" superchargedemotional - of more than usual emotion; "his behavior was highly emotional"


You could have said "kill" instead of slaughter, which is incorrect anyway, but that's not what I'm getting at. When you said "slaughter" instead of kill, you used a term that is meant to spark emotion instead of intelligent debate. It's like specifying 9/11 in a speech about a current disaster. 9/11 has nothing to do with today's society. It had alot to do with society 8 years ago, but bringing it up now only serves to bring people to your side with the use iof emotions and not fact.

Tell me, which sounds better.
"He killed the intruder."
"He mutilated the intruder."

Don't answer out loud because I know which one you'll say. You'll say the first one despite the fact that the second one is emotionally charged just to spite me. If slaughter means kill, then why say slaughter? Why not just say "kill"? I know that it's "true" by definition, so it's also true with the word "kill."

And to be honest, I don't have to try this hard to prove how smart I am.


You're saying that you're smart while randomly correcting my word choice instead of ACTUALLY PAYING ATTENTION TO MY POST. Wow.



1. It's not random.
2. Word choice is just as important as the underlining point.
3. Chrona did a good enough job explaining the problem with your post...yet you decided to pay attention to me and only me. The issue here isn't my decision to criticize your word choice, its your choice to ignore the more important argument made by Chrona and focus soley on MY reply, which could've been solved in a matter of 3 comments.


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post Oct 5 2009, 06:42 PM
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QUOTE("Iconox")
You could do that, but there's no reason to kill more due to the promising alternatives.


1) Umm, I replied directly to Chrona right after she posted.
2) Saying "slaughter" rather than "kill" leaves the same underlying point, no matter how big a deal you want to make of it.


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post Oct 5 2009, 07:57 PM
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QUOTE("Iconox")
You could do that, but there's no reason to kill more due to the promising alternatives.


1) Umm, I replied directly to Chrona right after she posted.
2) Saying "slaughter" rather than "kill" leaves the same underlying point, no matter how big a deal you want to make of it.


1) One sentence v. 5 comments? Yeah...seems like you did your best to fend that one off.
2) Yes...while being emotionally charged. Not only does the word "kill" say the exact same thing...but it's easier to type. 4 letters v. 9...your logic is flawed.


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post Oct 6 2009, 03:29 PM
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QUOTE("Iconox")
You could do that, but there's no reason to kill more due to the promising alternatives.


1) Umm, I replied directly to Chrona right after she posted.
2) Saying "slaughter" rather than "kill" leaves the same underlying point, no matter how big a deal you want to make of it.


1) One sentence v. 5 comments? Yeah...seems like you did your best to fend that one off.
2) Yes...while being emotionally charged. Not only does the word "kill" say the exact same thing...but it's easier to type. 4 letters v. 9...your logic is flawed.


How is my logic flawed? If the baby's already dead, than I guess you can use it for stem cells, just don't keep killing them when their are better alternatives. Now just reply to that without finding some word to criticize.


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post Oct 6 2009, 03:36 PM
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QUOTE(Iconox @ Oct 6 2009, 03:29 PM) *
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QUOTE("Iconox")
You could do that, but there's no reason to kill more due to the promising alternatives.


1) Umm, I replied directly to Chrona right after she posted.
2) Saying "slaughter" rather than "kill" leaves the same underlying point, no matter how big a deal you want to make of it.


1) One sentence v. 5 comments? Yeah...seems like you did your best to fend that one off.
2) Yes...while being emotionally charged. Not only does the word "kill" say the exact same thing...but it's easier to type. 4 letters v. 9...your logic is flawed.


How is my logic flawed? If the baby's already dead, than I guess you can use it for stem cells, just don't keep killing them when their are better alternatives. Now just reply to that without finding some word to criticize.


Not your logic on stem cell research, the logic in using the word slaughter instead of kill.


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post Oct 6 2009, 05:14 PM
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QUOTE("Iconox")
You could do that, but there's no reason to kill more due to the promising alternatives.


1) Umm, I replied directly to Chrona right after she posted.
2) Saying "slaughter" rather than "kill" leaves the same underlying point, no matter how big a deal you want to make of it.


1) One sentence v. 5 comments? Yeah...seems like you did your best to fend that one off.
2) Yes...while being emotionally charged. Not only does the word "kill" say the exact same thing...but it's easier to type. 4 letters v. 9...your logic is flawed.


How is my logic flawed? If the baby's already dead, than I guess you can use it for stem cells, just don't keep killing them when their are better alternatives. Now just reply to that without finding some word to criticize.


Not your logic on stem cell research, the logic in using the word slaughter instead of kill.


It wasn't intentional I swear, but I still got my point through. Forgive me for mini-modding, but this is getting off-topic.


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post Oct 6 2009, 05:26 PM
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QUOTE("Iconox")
You could do that, but there's no reason to kill more due to the promising alternatives.


1) Umm, I replied directly to Chrona right after she posted.
2) Saying "slaughter" rather than "kill" leaves the same underlying point, no matter how big a deal you want to make of it.


1) One sentence v. 5 comments? Yeah...seems like you did your best to fend that one off.
2) Yes...while being emotionally charged. Not only does the word "kill" say the exact same thing...but it's easier to type. 4 letters v. 9...your logic is flawed.


How is my logic flawed? If the baby's already dead, than I guess you can use it for stem cells, just don't keep killing them when their are better alternatives. Now just reply to that without finding some word to criticize.


Not your logic on stem cell research, the logic in using the word slaughter instead of kill.


It wasn't intentional I swear, but I still got my point through. Forgive me for mini-modding, but this is getting off-topic.


...ok, but I'm watching you *does "points fingers at eyes and then at other person" motion thing*. It's not exactly against any sort of "law", but doing such things makes it seem like you rely more on emotions than logic to debate...which isn't a good thing.

And I agree. /discussion


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I really do not agree in Stem Cell research. I won't go into anything major about abortion because it's not what this topic is asking.
However I do accept that Stem cells will be used for a long time for research, and research on them will continue no matter how they get their hands on them, so I try to just preach my feelings whenever asked, but never go crazy. I accept that things I don't agree with go on. But I'm still against them.


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The Japanese have created a similar process to that of embryonic stem cells that does not invole fetuses, so embryonic stem cell research is slaughtering children, plain and simple.

My problem is that your post makes it sound as if they're killed specifically for stem cell research, not that foetuses that happened to die of other causes-which of course in untrue, since that would be both illegal and hideously unethical. This might not be how you meant it to sound, but that's how it came across to me.


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We can circumscribe the uses for stem cells through law. We allow doctors to prescribe morphine, which is a controlled substance, so we already allow the medical community to ease human suffering in ways that are otherwise subject to legal constraints.

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