[X] My Assistant

[jellybean chi]

Ok what i noticed a lot on this forum is that a lot of people seem to think there's a huge black and white difference between a religious person and a "normal" person.
So...i hope to clarify some things.

No, not all Christians think that pokemon is evil or incorrect or whatever. I'm proof.
No, not all atheists are right because they believe in science. a lot of science has been proven false, especially when it comes to evolution (Haekel's embryos?)
No, not all Christians believe that evolution is retarded and totally false 'cuz it's "against God." I believe in evolution. Well microevolution anyway. (humans did not come from apes. that's just what the first impression is by a glance at darwin's "tree of life," but he didn't intend to say that humans are a "higher-up" than chimpanzees.)
Yes, there are many types of Christians and atheists. There are some Christians who may think that pokemon is evil or satanic, but there are some christians who believe music is satanic too. There are some atheists who believe all christians are stupid, but there are also some atheists who believe Jesus as a person never existed (come on, he's a recorded historical figure by many different rulers and nations, you can't really prove that as false without trying to claim a lot of other facts as false as well).
So, please stop overgeneralizing. I look through this and a lot of you talk about christians like we're all idiots. Sure, there are a lot of Christians that are in fact idiots, I know many and I am probably one myself. But I also know a lot of atheists that are idiots. Being atheological doesn't make the atheist an idiot. Being theological doesn't make the Christian an idiot.
I try to be as accepting as possible of everyone no matter how wrong I think they are, but since no one can actually know the truth, please just stop saying stuff like "ooh, those jesus freaks think pokemon is evil that's so stupid they're all so stupid let's make fun of them 'cuz they're all idiots and talk to their imaginary 'friend' and say that science is false 'cuz they're so stupid" because that, people, is, in fact, idiotic. (and on my part, that was meant to be an overgeneralization so please don't call me a hypocrite. I already know i am one.)

Anyway, please share your opinions. ^-^

[Lord Raven]

One real quick aside is that #5 on that dude's list up there, one of the laws of thermodynamics (i forget the order of these laws) says something about entropy increasing in a closed system. I guess if you assume our universe to be a closed system, then the statistical mechanics part will actually screw up a lot of stuff. Newton's Laws are only a model that works for everyday life, although you can apply certain aspects of them to quantum and/or statistical mechanics they generally do not hold in weird systems like, for instance, the big bang.

And jellybean chi brings up a good point. Let's not talk down on people's religion to make them sound stupid, and actually have decent debate. No matter what you believe, as much as you enjoy justifying why your belief is suddenly more logical, you should always have some degree of respect for the belief of others regardless of how much they disagree.

As for what I'm referring to, it's comments like these:

I...I just want to call this possibly the dumbest thing I've ever read.

A scientific theory is completely different than what you clearly think it is, and you might simply not be aware of what the true scientific definition of a theory is (if you've had a religious education, I am not surprised in the slightest).

(Also, if you believe in the day age thing and microevolution... just when did whatever that microevolved show up? Did they poof out of thin air? The things that evolved into variants of themselves or... people, who apparently didn't evolve at all... what's the timeframe for them in all this? Yeah, doesn't make sense to anyone who believes in real evolution.) You also can't start from a biblical point of view because everything you find out has to line up to it. If it doesn't, welp, must have made a mistake then, since we're only human and all. *rolls eyes*

I certainly don't think the god of the bible exists (and wouldn't want such an egotistical tyrant to exist, either), though.

The bible is not proof that what the bible says is true. Peer reviewed scientific studies (thousands upon thousands of them) are proof that evolution is true.

And countering someone's points in a very aggressive way comes off as rude, no matter how wrong someone is, not everyone has the ability to know whether or not they're wrong. (btw I said all of this before you posted your thing, but I'd like to remind everyone I'd much rather not have this devolving into an "undermine the other person's beliefs" thread, because when you bite people often times bite back and it's hard to read past the aggression).

This is not the attitude I want to see anywhere in this thread;

You posted it in the Debates forum. If your intent was merely to rant and not engage in a debate, you shouldn't have posted it here and instead to the Ranting Zone.

It's very difficult to debate with people who sprinkle their posts with denial of the other person's belief system. Someone brings up a point and another insinuates the point of almost directly stating that their viewpoint is objectively wrong and they should rewire their brain, because to be honest same argument works two ways regardless of what you faux scientist/faux intellectuals say or believe. It creates a slippery slope and, frankly, a shitstorm. Find another way to debate or get out of this thread.



Although, just to further educate someone on a point that was brought up over and over again, a theory in science is far different than what you'd think. It is definitely held in high regard, but in all honesty many of them are temporary and only really exist as a placeholder until some other theory swoops in and proves it wrong (read up on special relativity; didn't prove Newton wrong per say - but it definitely showed a need for new physics. Quantum Mechanics had exactly the same sort of history), or some other theory is just more all-encompassing and happens to predict everything without contradiction.


Finally, do not respond to this post in this thread unless it is relevant to the thread. Take it up with me in PM. I will gladly talk to you about it. I am not formally warning anyone, I am just afraid of a slippery slope with these sorts of threads.