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Lord Raven
post Jun 16 2013, 05:19 PM
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If you think at all that I think you're being hostile, aggressive, or you're attacking me then I doubt you understand the point I'm making. My point was that your points were expressed in a way to either make it clear that religion was stupid or outright state it without any backing other than "there's no proof." That, by definition, doesn't work as an argument against faith or belief, nor does it hold against those who feel that they do have proof, which is the other point I was making. It's not about saying there's no evidence btw, it's complete disrespect by stating its equivalent to believing in a yeti or dragons/unicorns (without any context to make it sound completely stupid).

You say you feel uncomfortable? Cool, I apologize but I don't know if you can see how your posts can be construed the same way. It's quite unreasonable to come off as almost dismissing the entire argument altogether and making that dismissal whole crux of your argument rather than examining it further.


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post Jun 27 2013, 10:24 AM
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I was born into a very strict Roman Catholic family, I was Baptized, I attended nothing but private Catholic schools while a child, I took part in many choir and theatrical productions through that same school. I went to church as part of my school day (the school is right next to the church it shares a name with) and went every Sunday with my family. Religion was part of my life and is sacred in my family.

I can't remember even a single instance where I believed in God. As a child I tried very hard to believe, of course I wanted to fit in with my family, but I just couldn't see any evidence in my own life or those close to me to prove that this being existed.

I learned how to read at a very young age, I was reading chapter books while my peers were just starting to understand how to sound out words in picture books. Because I was such an avid reader at such a young age I was able to research subjects and gain a better understanding of the natural world, I think it must have been this knowledge seeking that made me realize I really didn't belong in the situation I was in. I was, on some very basic level, able to tell that these "Godly" occurrences weren't actually anything.

I've had bad experiences in Catholic school, but when I finally got to go to a public school as a teenager I had bad experiences as well. I know a lot of believers, as I know many non-believers. Both groups are similar, both can take their viewpoints to the extreme, both can be typically understanding of other opinions. I don't sterotype against entire groups, if I dislike you it's not because of your religion.

In short: I turned my back on God a long time ago in favor of science, but I didn't turn my back on people in favor of scientists.


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post Mar 23 2014, 10:27 PM
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I identify as an atheist. I do not believe there is a higher power.
Much like feminism, there are the radical feminists and there are the radical atheists that make the rest of us look bad.
Just because we don't believe in a higher power doesn't not mean we are bad people. Condemning us to "hell" means nothing since we don't believe in it.

I digress, let people believe in what they want to. As long as it doesn't change your life personally in any way, it shouldn't matter to you (keep in mind that I am using the general you, not the specific you).


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post Mar 24 2014, 03:10 PM
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QUOTE(vaashole @ Mar 23 2014, 11:27 PM) *
I identify as an atheist. I do not believe there is a higher power.
Much like feminism, there are the radical feminists and there are the radical atheists that make the rest of us look bad.
Just because we don't believe in a higher power doesn't not mean we are bad people. Condemning us to "hell" means nothing since we don't believe in it.

I digress, let people believe in what they want to. As long as it doesn't change your life personally in any way, it shouldn't matter to you (keep in mind that I am using the general you, not the specific you).


I have to agree. Just because I have a certain view doesn't mean I can tell other people their views aren't true.

Of course, I have no specific view on whether a higher power exists or not. I think I'll figure that out when I die, but that's besides the point.

I think people should be allowed to believe in what they want, so long as they don't force their views on other people.


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post Mar 24 2014, 07:44 PM
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I'm a Christian, and I grew up in church and all that. Personally I think that many Christians are a little too hard on others, like when we try to shove our beliefs on them as we tell them how wrong they are. Nobody wants to hear that, and we are just as messed up as everyone else. Plus, we are supposed to love others, but is this really loving them?

I think it's okay for you to believe in whatever. God gives people a choice. I don't hate atheists because they're "on the wrong path" - it's their decision. As humans, we can't change other people's views. Only God can do that.

Of course I am guilty of a lot of this as well. Nobody is perfect, including me.


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post Mar 24 2014, 08:00 PM
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QUOTE(Chespin @ Mar 24 2014, 08:44 PM) *
I'm a Christian, and I grew up in church and all that. Personally I think that many Christians are a little too hard on others, like when we try to shove our beliefs on them as we tell them how wrong they are. Nobody wants to hear that, and we are just as messed up as everyone else. Plus, we are supposed to love others, but is this really loving them?

I think it's okay for you to believe in whatever. God gives people a choice. I don't hate atheists because they're "on the wrong path" - it's their decision. As humans, we can't change other people's views. Only God can do that.

Of course I am guilty of a lot of this as well. Nobody is perfect, including me.

Same here. Well said, Chespin!


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post Apr 4 2014, 01:06 AM
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QUOTE(Chespin @ Mar 24 2014, 08:44 PM) *
I'm a Christian, and I grew up in church and all that. Personally I think that many Christians are a little too hard on others, like when we try to shove our beliefs on them as we tell them how wrong they are. Nobody wants to hear that, and we are just as messed up as everyone else. Plus, we are supposed to love others, but is this really loving them?

I think it's okay for you to believe in whatever. God gives people a choice. I don't hate atheists because they're "on the wrong path" - it's their decision. As humans, we can't change other people's views. Only God can do that.

Of course I am guilty of a lot of this as well. Nobody is perfect, including me.

While I do agree that I don't like the nagging, I wholly understand why the nagging is there - some do believe it is their duty to the bible and God to spread the word (and it's in the text as well). I'm personally not interested, but I know people who have turned their lives around because of newfound religious beliefs. It's not inherently black and white, and "shoving their religion down your throat" has done more good than bad (the good being turning lives around; the bad being general annoyance).

Of course, I also distinguish "using the bible in the name of conquest" and "using the bible in the name of God." I'm describing the latter and not the former.


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post Jun 19 2014, 02:02 PM
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I'd have to agree with several of the earlier posters: it's the extremists that ruin things for everybody.

Atheist extremists that think believing in something you can't see is stupid seem blind to me. Christian extremists that think all non-Christians are damned to Hell and that their way is the only way seem closed-minded to me. And Muslim extremists... well, they make me feel very very bad for all the regular Muslim people who face quite a bit of discrimination (here in the States, at least).

I've never quite liked the concept of believing in one religion only for your entire life. I was raised Catholic, I became agnostic, and I am now atheist. I think I would be lying to myself if I said that I will stay atheist my entire life. However, I don't believe that makes me 'agnostic'. I don't think that just because I vary in beliefs makes my belief in present time any less solid, and I don't think that I'm wishy-washy about this stuff either. I feel like believing in only one religion your entire life is almost a little like listening to the same band or genre of music over and over (obviously on a much, much greater scale). At the very least, I think that listening to all different people of different beliefs for a reason other than debating can't hurt anybody.


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post Jul 4 2014, 12:49 PM
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I'm a Christian, but i don't think atheits are evil.


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post Aug 7 2014, 05:26 PM
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I don't know if I can imagine being atheist, but then, I'm raised Catholic, my sister and her husband are Jewish, my aunt has a Buddhist shrine(?) in her house and her former partner is a Unitarian.

Maybe that sentence doesn't do a good job illustrating my point. There are different points of view, but there is truth.

I think life on earth can be terribly beautiful, amazing and frightening. There are awesome flowers like on the passionfruit vine, there are scary parasites like the Guinea worm, and there are the Archaebacteria that can survive in extreme environments no other living thing can tolerate.

If there are such diverse mortal things, how much greater and profound are the divine?


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post Aug 7 2014, 07:39 PM
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QUOTE(Gryphaena @ Aug 7 2014, 06:26 PM) *
I don't know if I can imagine being atheist, but then, I'm raised Catholic, my sister and her husband are Jewish, my aunt has a Buddhist shrine(?) in her house and her former partner is a Unitarian.


Your family sounds awesome.
I bet holidays are a pain though...


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post Aug 7 2014, 11:54 PM
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QUOTE(Uilliam Eberhart @ Aug 7 2014, 05:39 PM) *
QUOTE(Gryphaena @ Aug 7 2014, 06:26 PM) *
I don't know if I can imagine being atheist, but then, I'm raised Catholic, my sister and her husband are Jewish, my aunt has a Buddhist shrine(?) in her house and her former partner is a Unitarian.


Your family sounds awesome.
I bet holidays are a pain though...


No, there was a sorta dicey time when my other aunt who lives in West Virginia came with her Palestinian husband. My sister had always thought he and his family were from Jordan, but that was because they had to go there.

They decided they wouldn't talk about certain things...

Holidays are fine. I just have to remember not to say Merry Christmas to my sister and brother in law and his parents and sisters.


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