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Ghosts?, Real or Fake
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post Nov 27 2010, 07:40 PM
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My friend was at my house over night and next day she told me about how our house was haunted.
I did not believe a word she said and just told her that it's just our old house which is making noises. You know, pipes and such.

... well, some time after that I noticed that our house was truly "haunted". :l Definitely not "just our old house's noises". I've experienced it even at daylight so it's a little bit creepy.
Haunting might not be best word to describe it since I don't know if I should call them(?) ghosts. I don't know if I can call them spirits or souls either. Maybe it's just other realm, sideway to ours, or maybe some "restless spirits" or their strong memories. Can't say for sure, no one can.

... however, I don't believe such crap "haunting" shows which come from TV. It's not even entertaining.

Haven't experienced ghosts in years, and the stuff that happened long ago seem just like a bad dream. Even though my friends claim that in our apartment is one ghost, who closes WC's door, knocks glasses over in the kitchen and makes funny noises in the night but I have not yet witnessed such so... I'm always skeptical about it.

I do also understand why some people don't believe in them. I didn't, at first. It should be experienced by themselves.
Sometimes people also think I'm crazy and gullible when I tell about my experiences but... nah.

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post Nov 28 2010, 04:06 AM
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QUOTE(evolutionrex @ Nov 26 2010, 11:57 AM) *
beliefs are in fact religion, just your own beliefs in a official religion.


What?
I believe in evolution. Evolution is not a religion. Others believe in it. Natural selection is too good.

Do not throw around the term "Atheist" around like that. Yes it means you do not believe in God. But God itself is a touchy subject. It immediately strikes a negative string no matter how you phrase it.

So people do not believe in God. Doesn't mean others do not believe in the supernatural. Poltergeists are everyone's friends.

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post Nov 28 2010, 03:30 PM
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QUOTE(FancyGranola @ Nov 28 2010, 05:06 AM) *
QUOTE(evolutionrex @ Nov 26 2010, 11:57 AM) *
beliefs are in fact religion, just your own beliefs in a official religion.


What?
I believe in evolution. Evolution is not a religion. Others believe in it. Natural selection is too good.

Do not throw around the term "Atheist" around like that. Yes it means you do not believe in God. But God itself is a touchy subject. It immediately strikes a negative string no matter how you phrase it.

So people do not believe in God. Doesn't mean others do not believe in the supernatural. Poltergeists are everyone's friends.

QUOTE(Ezio Auditore da Firenze @ Nov 26 2010, 01:01 PM) *
Can't we all just get along


It's a debate.


Agreed. Assuming ghosts exist, why would they limit themselves to those of religion? That's just as rediculous as thinking an alien invasion is going to start, or that some psycho is going to break in the night after you watch a scary movie. It's not like all of these things are waiting in the background for you to watch a movie...or turn to a religion to start pulling shenanigans.


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post Nov 28 2010, 08:00 PM
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QUOTE(FancyGranola @ Nov 28 2010, 04:06 AM) *
It's a debate.

I know, but that was aimed at all the religion related things being said in a debate about personal belief on ghosts. It was just jokey anyway, so don't take it seriously.

QUOTE(Reyo @ Nov 28 2010, 03:30 PM) *
Agreed. Assuming ghosts exist, why would they limit themselves to those of religion? That's just as rediculous as thinking an alien invasion is going to start, or that some psycho is going to break in the night after you watch a scary movie. It's not like all of these things are waiting in the background for you to watch a movie...or turn to a religion to start pulling shenanigans.


Maybe it's because religious people are considered more "spiritual", what with the belief in a deity, and easier to "contact" because of this. At least, that's what my great grandmother, who was a devout catholic, said to me on the subject a few years ago.
I myself can't see this. Does this mean that it's impossible to have a true experience without following a religion?
Ghost have yet to be proven, but yet to be disproved, too.
Until there is solid proof there's no such thing as ghosts, I'll believe.
So with that I'll take my leave.


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post Nov 29 2010, 12:20 AM
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QUOTE(FancyGranola @ Nov 28 2010, 01:06 AM) *
QUOTE(evolutionrex @ Nov 26 2010, 11:57 AM) *
beliefs are in fact religion, just your own beliefs in a official religion.


What?
I believe in evolution. Evolution is not a religion. Others believe in it. Natural selection is too good.

Do not throw around the term "Atheist" around like that. Yes it means you do not believe in God. But God itself is a touchy subject. It immediately strikes a negative string no matter how you phrase it.

So people do not believe in God. Doesn't mean others do not believe in the supernatural. Poltergeists are everyone's friends.


Okay, religion by definition is something you believe. Is it an official religion? Does it have churches? No, but it's still something you believe. Evolution is part of your religion. your kind of personal religion. What you believe is your religion.

And now your saying i can't mention my atheism? that's offensive. Your saying it's "negative?"

And, no just becuase your atheist doesn't mean you don't believe in ghost but name me one. It's uncommon, that's all i meant.


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post Nov 29 2010, 12:27 AM
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QUOTE(evolutionrex @ Nov 28 2010, 09:20 PM) *
Okay, religion by definition is something you believe. Is it an official religion? Does it have churches? No, but it's still something you believe. Evolution is part of your religion. your kind of personal religion. What you believe is your religion.



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QUOTE(evolutionrex @ Nov 28 2010, 09:20 PM) *
And now your saying i can't mention my atheism? that's offensive. Your saying it's "negative?"


Never said you can't. But I recommend not using the term because evidently, it doesn't give good results. Clearly it shows that the term "Atheist" is not well understood.


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post Nov 29 2010, 01:30 AM
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QUOTE(FancyGranola @ Nov 29 2010, 01:27 PM) *
QUOTE(evolutionrex @ Nov 28 2010, 09:20 PM) *
Okay, religion by definition is something you believe. Is it an official religion? Does it have churches? No, but it's still something you believe. Evolution is part of your religion. your kind of personal religion. What you believe is your religion.



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QUOTE(evolutionrex @ Nov 28 2010, 09:20 PM) *
And now your saying i can't mention my atheism? that's offensive. Your saying it's "negative?"


Never said you can't. But I recommend not using the term because evidently, it doesn't give good results. Clearly it shows that the term "Atheist" is not well understood.


On topic, I believe that there are ghost that exist in this world. Documentaries have shown and proven that some supernatural things are occuring all over the world. Yes, people do not believe it, but then again, there is no concrete evidence that actually states that ghosts do not exist. Or probably there are I couldn't find any. So, unless anyone can show some concrete evidence that ghost do not exist, the possibility of ghosts exisiting in this world will still be there.

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post Nov 29 2010, 01:36 AM
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QUOTE(Ezio Auditore da Firenze @ Nov 28 2010, 09:00 PM) *
QUOTE(FancyGranola @ Nov 28 2010, 04:06 AM) *
It's a debate.

I know, but that was aimed at all the religion related things being said in a debate about personal belief on ghosts. It was just jokey anyway, so don't take it seriously.

QUOTE(Reyo @ Nov 28 2010, 03:30 PM) *
Agreed. Assuming ghosts exist, why would they limit themselves to those of religion? That's just as rediculous as thinking an alien invasion is going to start, or that some psycho is going to break in the night after you watch a scary movie. It's not like all of these things are waiting in the background for you to watch a movie...or turn to a religion to start pulling shenanigans.


Maybe it's because religious people are considered more "spiritual", what with the belief in a deity, and easier to "contact" because of this. At least, that's what my great grandmother, who was a devout catholic, said to me on the subject a few years ago.
I myself can't see this. Does this mean that it's impossible to have a true experience without following a religion?
Ghost have yet to be proven, but yet to be disproved, too.
Until there is solid proof there's no such thing as ghosts, I'll believe.
So with that I'll take my leave.


It's probably more that it happens to everyone, but the religious people say "ghosts" while the nonreligious people say "weird shit that isn't ghosts" (or they ignore it). It's a lot seeing more of a certain car everywhere after buying that model of car. It was everywhere before buying the car, it's just that it wasn't important to you.


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post Dec 4 2010, 06:35 PM
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You know what they say... Fear is the Mindkiller
Being scared plays tricks on our mind.
So no, I don't logically believe in ghosts.
I lol at those ghost hunter shows. They just look around old, dark places and point everything that occurs to a ghost.


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Believe in ghost but I've never seen one.

Do I want to see one?

Of course.

Will I be scared silly?

In a way no... but if it had a rocket launcher then yes.


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QUOTE(AetherWolf @ Dec 5 2010, 07:35 AM) *
You know what they say... Fear is the Mindkiller
Being scared plays tricks on our mind.
So no, I don't logically believe in ghosts.
I lol at those ghost hunter shows. They just look around old, dark places and point everything that occurs to a ghost.


Objection. Ghost Hunter shows don't just point at anything that occurs to a ghost. So if you think it's not, you can feel free to prove it. I think it is ghost, although I've never seen one. And yes, those dark, old places are pretty lame. And when you are afraid, your brain play tricks on you. That's true. But then sometimes, people experience things when they AREN'T afraid. But there is a possibility they are trying to get famous or something. Like those famous UFO sighting might all be farmers throwing their hat around snapping pictures and show it to researchers and they stupidly believe it's an UFO. I don't believe in UFO, but I believe in ghost.


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Okay, Evolutionrex and Fancy.
This is about GHOSTS!
G-H-O-S-T-S!
Not about how religion EFFECTS ghosts!
All I want to know, if if you belive in them, or not.
So quit this little discussion about what you think religion has to with this and that.
'Kay? Alright.

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When my cat died i saw almost an outline of it in the house but upon closer inspection the cat's shadow was not there.

Yes i believe that ghosts exist but they are benevolent things that just go "woogy, woogy, woogy" or just appear somewhere.


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Explains some, not all and besides, on the first half it says only 22% felt dread because of the sound at that concert so 78% didn't feel dread which is they way it should have affected them. So only 22% of people would be affected by it which, rounded down, is a fifth. :/

Some can probably also be explained by gas leaks or mental issues, others can be explained by the eyes playing tricks on you but, when you boil it down until there are no ways left to explain what could have happened, there will still be unexplained sightings left.


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Ghosts ARE real! No doubt about it! My mom had an experience with her dead dog once. But also, Ghost
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QUOTE(MoogleSam @ Dec 19 2010, 02:42 AM) *
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Explains some, not all and besides, on the first half it says only 22% felt dread because of the sound at that concert so 78% didn't feel dread which is they way it should have affected them. So only 22% of people would be affected by it which, rounded down, is a fifth. :/

Some can probably also be explained by gas leaks or mental issues, others can be explained by the eyes playing tricks on you but, when you boil it down until there are no ways left to explain what could have happened, there will still be unexplained sightings left.


Actually, gas leaks, infrasound, insanity, and pareidolia pretty much explain all of the cases I've heard of except for one, whose origins are dubious and I haven't bothered to investigate further yet.


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QUOTE(splicetastica @ Dec 20 2010, 05:43 PM) *
Ghosts ARE real! No doubt about it! My mom had an experience with her dead dog once. But also, Ghost
Adventures on travel channel, and Ghost hunters, are totally legit! There is no way on planet unicorn that they wouldn't exist! Whew. I like this thread. Curses to the non believers!


Did I hear Ghost Adventures? I did? Hell yeah!
That show is awesome.

But let's not curse the non believers shall we. They have their own opinion, we should respect that.
Not everyone is going to believe in ghosts.


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