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Animal activists, What do you think about them?
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post Jan 28 2011, 01:00 PM
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I love animals, but meat is still probably my favorite food group. I wish they could be treated more humanely or killed in a quick and painless way if they're going to be used for food. At least those animals died with a purpose - to feed people. When they're killed for no reason - like just for fun - then I'm pretty upset about it.

PETA, however, is just flat-out insane. Ever hear of their "Sea Kitten" campaign? It will make you facepalm.gif and lol.gif at the same time.
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post Jan 28 2011, 01:19 PM
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I was just thinking about the sea kitten thing. Ridiculous. (Certain)Fish and other animals are safe for eating and keeping as pets. Stop trying to "help" animals by killing the human race in the process.

Over the past few years, I've been trying to only support restaurants that raise and kill animals in a humane manner. (And doing a good job of it, if I do say so myself.) That's one way to stand up for animal rights and still eat meat at the same time. Also, this may sound weird, but you can definitely taste when an animal raised for food has been treated kindly or not. If they were raised with kindness and lots of space to move around, it tastes better. When they've lived a life of stress and sickness, you'll know. It tastes horrible. This is why I don't eat fast food.

Hunting has never sat well with me. Those animals did absolutely nothing to people and yet they're being killed. The only time I'd vote in favor of killing an animal is for food, as stated above, or if that animal poses a true threat to people, like an animal that has killed many people (wild bears, wolves or monkeys that have wandered into a town and killed citizens) or is carrying a rapidly spreading disease (mosquito situation in Africa).

There are animal activist groups that realize this, and those are the ones I respect.


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post Jan 29 2011, 07:54 PM
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look what PETA made
giblets anyone?
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<br />Play the full size version on <a href="http://features.peta.org/CookingMama/index.asp?c=pmkegc08">PETA.org</a>.
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post Jan 29 2011, 07:55 PM
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giblets anyone

http://features.peta.org/CookingMama/index.asp?c=pmkegc08
oops forgot to edit the last one

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post Feb 9 2011, 11:41 AM
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I'm against some, some ar okay. It all depends on what kind of person they are.

But this... This is just wrong. http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=...tudrptpktM24_UQ
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post Feb 10 2011, 08:08 PM
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QUOTE(Breeder Drew @ Feb 9 2011, 08:41 AM) *
I'm against some, some ar okay. It all depends on what kind of person they are.

But this... This is just wrong. http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=...tudrptpktM24_UQ

facepalm.gif That's just cruel. That rabbit's probably dead by now. Whoever did this must've had no brains, these kids loved their rabbit and played and cared for it every single day. Releasing a domestic rabbit that meant so much to the kids...The person that did this might as well have killed Barney right in front of their eyes.

And I think PETA's just plain stupid. I'm glad that they care about animals but the way they're handling it you'd think all people were torturing animals 24/7. I mean that Cooking Mama and Sea Kittens campaign...What is with these guys -_-.gif
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post Dec 5 2011, 11:51 AM
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I'm completely against the abuse of animals. I am an active supporter or animal rights, however this woman who lost her mind at you? And stated cats should all be killed off?
Well she's definitely not against the killing of animals is she? I don't wish the death of any specific animal. Everything on this planet belongs here, but it has it's time and what happens, happens.
I thinnk some animal activists just lose themselves abit. I believe in conservation. So preserving life on this planet. But of course I do know that animals kill. It's instinct.
That lady is just stupid. Animals killing animals is part of nature. It happens. We should live with what they do.


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post Apr 11 2012, 08:10 PM
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Personally, I really hate the likes of PETA for making all animal activists look bad. I love animals, I support saving wildlife, I support adopting rescue animals, I'm against cruelty, I support reforming factory farms and getting rid of mills and fur farms, and all that stuff. But thanks to people like PETA, a lot of people think anyone who cares about animals is some insane wacko who goes around burning down testing labs...


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post May 26 2012, 12:01 PM
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QUOTE(kaitenmia @ May 23 2010, 01:31 AM) *
Well today I came across an animal activist on the Internet...I had taken a picture of a snake I found in my backyard. It had a bloody little scratch in its skin because my cat found it before I did. Of course I made sure that snake got away and I kept my cat inside the rest of the day. And yet this animal activist literally started to blame me of animal abuse.
How horrible person I am to let my cats outside and cats are monsters that should be killed.

My cats mainly only kill and eat mice and that's one of the reasons why I have cats in the first place. I don't want my house full of mice. When cat catches a bird for example it's probably old and sick already. As for snakes, I've never seen one near my house before. And frankly I haven't seen too many grass snakes in Finland at all.
Anyway I did save that poor snake. I absolutely love animals and I don't want to see them killed or hurt. How can one be an animal activist when they want pets dead...


I'd want to hear your opinion on this. If you have similar experiences or something else to say about this, please do.
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what sort of "anima activist" did you meet?!?!?!?!!?!?!?!?!?!??!!?!??!?!!?!?? pissed.gif
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here is how a real animal activist thinks:
1)human kil other animal= horrable because humans cheat
2)animal kill human= ok, human probably deserved it
3)animal kill animal= that's the way nature intended it to be!

we shouldn't worry about living things following their nature. If humans would kill with their bare hands, i would be ok because they worked for the kill and that's the way nature intended.

what im saying is that people go way overboard and end up doing more harm than good and wasting rescources. there is nothing wrong with caring for other species, but people go way to far. i'm fine with good people who know what they're doing, but i hate when people get obsessive. I view myself as an animal activist, but according to your story, your cat did nothing wrong.
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QUOTE(Breeder Drew @ Feb 9 2011, 09:41 AM) *
I'm against some, some ar okay. It all depends on what kind of person they are.

But this... This is just wrong. http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=...tudrptpktM24_UQ

this^

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Read the one part that says "he will live for a few days with wild foxes and other hazzards"
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Really???? unimpressed.gif
whoever did this does realize that the poor bunny will be facing more pain in the wild than in a small cage.
Not only that, the rabbit has been bred into captivity and has been nurtured for so long all prey instincts would be filtered out of his mind.
what i mean: he won't be scared of predators as much and is more likely to get killed. also no experience forraging for food.

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post Jul 8 2012, 05:33 PM
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Animal activists are basically people who claim to love animals and think they know what's best for them, when they really don't. There's a difference between loving animals, caring for them, and doing what's best for them, and being a stupid git who really has no idea what they're doing. And about the original post...saying that a cat should die because it scratched a snake and claiming to love animals? Bullshit. There's nothing I hate more than hypocrites.

Another thing I hate about animal activists--they take everything to the extreme. And it really bugs me how they're all like "OMG look at the poor bunny in a cage OMG they should be set free." Anybody who says that really strikes me as dumb. Is the rabbit in pain or suffering? Actually, pet rabbits probably are better off living with humans who take care of them, feed them, let them out once in a while. It would suffer more in the wild by itself because it has no survival skills. People should think before spouting nonsense.

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post Sep 30 2012, 09:02 PM
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QUOTE(Zexis @ Jul 8 2012, 06:33 PM) *
Animal activists are basically people who claim to love animals and think they know what's best for them, when they really don't. There's a difference between loving animals, caring for them, and doing what's best for them, and being a stupid git who really has no idea what they're doing. And about the original post...saying that a cat should die because it scratched a snake and claiming to love animals? Bullshit. There's nothing I hate more than hypocrites.

I have, at your first sentence, lost all respect for your point of view and ability to debate. Making generalizations and then basing your opinions on those generalizations is illogical. There are hypocritical animal activists. There are extreme activists. But not every activist is a hypocrite, or an extremist, and labeling all of them as such is wrong and isn't conductive to good debate.

QUOTE(Zexis @ Jul 8 2012, 06:33 PM) *
Another thing I hate about animal activists--they take everything to the extreme. And it really bugs me how they're all like "OMG look at the poor bunny in a cage OMG they should be set free." Anybody who says that really strikes me as dumb. Is the rabbit in pain or suffering? Actually, pet rabbits probably are better off living with humans who take care of them, feed them, let them out once in a while. It would suffer more in the wild by itself because it has no survival skills. People should think before spouting nonsense.

Again, generalizations. If you had said 'I hate the extreme activists' then I would even agree with you. But making blanket statements that insult the entire demographic you're talking about isn't going to start any kind of decent discussion.
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post Sep 30 2012, 09:17 PM
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Folks that are idiots and don't know what they're even saying (like the one in OP's post) aggravate me to no end.

Personally, I do not hold any species of life form higher than another and humans are just another animal, and killing other animals is okay in the situation that A: You're being attacked by it, or B: You're killing it for food.
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post Sep 30 2012, 10:54 PM
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QUOTE(The Winnebago @ Sep 30 2012, 10:17 PM) *
Folks that are idiots and don't know what they're even saying (like the one in OP's post) aggravate me to no end.

Personally, I do not hold any species of life form higher than another and humans are just another animal, and killing other animals is okay in the situation that A: You're being attacked by it, or B: You're killing it for food.

Were it so easy.
Take, for example, drug testing. How do we make sure new drugs work? Human subjects aren't common enough to be used as test subjects, and there's a whole ethical can of worms besides. It's not pleasant, but animal testing is the only way we can get new drugs. None of the alternative methods we can think of are developed enough to be useful, so for now the only thing that we can use as a testing ground for potentially life-saving drugs is animals. Should we stop killing animals in drug tests and let humans die of diseases we could cure?
And what if you've got a choice between saving the life of a dog or a human? Do you flip a coin, because the two lives are equal? What about between a human and his goldfish? And gods forbid we keep using cars; the lives of all of those animals killed by cars aren't worth the convenience.
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post Oct 1 2012, 12:05 AM
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QUOTE(Aves Dominari @ Sep 30 2012, 11:54 PM) *
QUOTE(The Winnebago @ Sep 30 2012, 10:17 PM) *
Folks that are idiots and don't know what they're even saying (like the one in OP's post) aggravate me to no end.

Personally, I do not hold any species of life form higher than another and humans are just another animal, and killing other animals is okay in the situation that A: You're being attacked by it, or B: You're killing it for food.

Were it so easy.
Take, for example, drug testing. How do we make sure new drugs work? Human subjects aren't common enough to be used as test subjects, and there's a whole ethical can of worms besides. It's not pleasant, but animal testing is the only way we can get new drugs. None of the alternative methods we can think of are developed enough to be useful, so for now the only thing that we can use as a testing ground for potentially life-saving drugs is animals. Should we stop killing animals in drug tests and let humans die of diseases we could cure?
And what if you've got a choice between saving the life of a dog or a human? Do you flip a coin, because the two lives are equal? What about between a human and his goldfish? And gods forbid we keep using cars; the lives of all of those animals killed by cars aren't worth the convenience.


Developing new cures to diseases and other various drugs only stimulates the overbearing human population, and drains the Earth's resources more quickly, which puts the entire planet under greater stress than if our population was stabilised, which is highly selfish and destructive to the rest of the fauna and flora that are stuck on Earth.

Depends on how much the dog and human mean to me. If they were both just strangers, then I dunno which I'd pick, if any. That's a very situational question. I could just wanna let them both get put out of their misery if they're dying painfully and will be irreversibly damaged to the point of permanent incapacitation.

Accidental death occurs all the time, be it someone hitting a human with a car or hitting a deer with a car.

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QUOTE(The Winnebago @ Oct 1 2012, 01:05 AM) *
Developing new cures to diseases and other various drugs only stimulates the overbearing human population, and drains the Earth's resources more quickly, which puts the entire planet under greater stress than if our population was stabilised, which is highly selfish and destructive to the rest of the fauna and flora that are stuck on Earth.

So your solution is to let people die of curable diseases? Instead of managing our resources and population, you want to just let nature take who it wants to? We were at that point once; in the Middle Ages people rarely made it past their thirties and the child mortality rate was astoundingly high, and it's still like that in many places. Is that the ideal place our society should be at?

QUOTE(The Winnebago @ Oct 1 2012, 01:05 AM) *
Depends on how much the dog and human mean to me. If they were both just strangers, then I dunno which I'd pick, if any. That's a very situational question. I could just wanna let them both get put out of their misery if they're dying painfully and will be irreversibly damaged to the point of permanent incapacitation.

Well, it's a hypothetical situation to test the beliefs you put down. You meet a human and a dog on the street about to be crushed by a falling excuse, and you have time to save one of the two. Would you be equally likely to save the man or his pet? Are the dog and human equal in your eyes?

QUOTE(The Winnebago @ Oct 1 2012, 01:05 AM) *
Accidental death occurs all the time, be it someone hitting a human with a car or hitting a deer with a car.

Ah, so you have three situations in which killing an animal is acceptable: self-defense, nourishment and accidentally. What about chemical dumping? The guys who do it aren't cackling madly as they slaughter the fish living in that particular river; the deaths are just a side effect that they don't plan. Are their actions acceptable?
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QUOTE(Aves Dominari @ Oct 1 2012, 03:05 AM) *
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So your solution is to let people die of curable diseases? Instead of managing our resources and population, you want to just let nature take who it wants to? We were at that point once; in the Middle Ages people rarely made it past their thirties and the child mortality rate was astoundingly high, and it's still like that in many places. Is that the ideal place our society should be at?


Curing diseases is beneficial to a smaller group - just us. Meanwhile, if nature was allowed to take its course, the entire planet would benefit.

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Well, it's a hypothetical situation to test the beliefs you put down. You meet a human and a dog on the street about to be crushed by a falling excuse, and you have time to save one of the two. Would you be equally likely to save the man or his pet? Are the dog and human equal in your eyes?


Ah, okay. Well, to be completely honest, I'd likely save the human instead. As a fellow human being, I would obviously be drawn to my own species first. I'm sure if you asked a dog (and they were somehow able to answer) to save one, it'd pick the dog.

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Ah, so you have three situations in which killing an animal is acceptable: self-defense, nourishment and accidentally.


Okay.

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What about chemical dumping? The guys who do it aren't cackling madly as they slaughter the fish living in that particular river; the deaths are just a side effect that they don't plan. Are their actions acceptable?


They know that their actions are detrimental to the environment in the first place. It's like if you stole food from a poor family, you didn't plan on them starving that night. Still bad, just worse than you planned.
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I'm also an animal activist, but I don't blame people for letting their pets out into their gardens and catching wild animals.I mean, its animal instinct right?Cats like to chase stuff that move.It's not their owners fault.That animal activist should be yelling at people who treat animals badly and report it to the police.


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