[X] My Assistant

[Andre Young]

Wymsy gave me permission to remake this, as long as what happened in This doesn't happen again. I advise reading it before reading this. I wanted to remake this, because I left for a while and wasn't able to input my views.

Let's start with the third post, shall we?

Archangel, I know Ramsden has already said "we didn't see it with our own eyes", but I also noticed this:
"No people can fit in a missile."
Why would that make a difference? Does a flying vehicle need people in it to destroy something?

Bloatedfish: If you aren't going to watch the video, then get out of here without a second thought, much less a post. If people who lost relatives/friends in 9/11, then why would they want to be constantly fed lies? I'm not trying to "trivialise" anything. This is far from trivialising it.

Archangel and bloatedfish:
It also seems like you think I'm dishonering the dead. I don't want to put words in your mouth, but that's what it seems like to me. And if anyone would be dishonering the dead, it's the people saying "No those people were killed by Islam extremists. End of story. Now stop trying to make a difference."

Ike, you say here: "Yet I'm curious how the person in question even managed to take the shot of the plane going through the tower, whoever did it." That was a video of the Second plane, right? Well, naturally, after the first plane hit, that was the biggest story on the news. Every news station, everyone with a video camera, would be filming the towers, giving a view from virtually every angle possible.

Archangel: Later, you say something along the lines of "Just because someone has an opinion" and "Honestly, if we cared, we'd ask your opinion. But right now, you're just being a selfish, self-centered prick". Maybe you should look in a dictionary, because I seriously do not see how he was being self-centered in any way. You've heard this many times too, but Debates forum is for opinions, wether we want them or not.

Lastly, I'm not responding to ramesden for two reasons: One, he won't see this anymore, he's fed up with you. and two, I agree with pretty much everything he's saying. I also do not want any more Mindless arguments about "dishonering the dead" and "Opening old wounds" or "WAAH WAAH WAAH". If you respond here, please take the time out to respond in a calm, orderly fashon, making your point clear, and Watching not only the video I linked to, but other conspiracy videos.
This would've been longer, but Ramsden said most of what I was going to say, although harsher.

P.S. War on terror? What is a "Terrorist"? omeone who makes people afraid? Well then, Pres. Bush is one of the biggest terrorists of all time.

This post has been edited by FidelCastro: Jun 1 2008, 04:51 PM

[Lord Raven]

Why would that make a difference? Does a flying vehicle need people in it to destroy something?

If people died as a result of a plane crash, then it's obviously not a missile. That was basically the point here.

I've talked to Bloatedfish before, and he's seen the video before you posted it but didn't really make it clear, at all.

[Carbink]

P.S. War on terror? What is a "Terrorist"? omeone who makes people afraid? Well then, Pres. Bush is one of the biggest terrorists of all time.

This made me lol. If you're that much of a lefty that you can't tell the difference between Terrorism and stupidity, then...wow. Just wow. I'll be the first to listen to a new argument, but most conspiracy theories seem to me like bits of speculation that make the government look evil.

That last part of your post...it actually looks like you're straining to act stupid. It's just...I can't even take you seriously anymore. Next you're gonna rant about how Dubya is the worst President ever, while completely ignoring Harding and Buchanan. It happens every time. :/

But don't mind me. I'm gonna go over here and look at my solid, real evidence. Blurry videos bore me. :/

[MayAlltheWay]

Did you guys see the clouds?
like the faces & such
wicked weirddd

[Pumpkin King]

i was going to say something but wooper covered pretty much everything

[Lord Raven]

last two posters: don't bother posting in the topic, first for May for not really contributing anything or just being incredibly vague, and second for repeating a point

Wooper: wise man speaks the counterargument, not the insult
I don't support this theory at all, but you don't see me saying he's an idiot for supporting this.

[Carbink]

Sorry, I started to rant there at that general group of people as a whole. That last bit of post just makes it so hard to take this guy seriously though

I try not to be an asshole often though, so I'll add a response

Terrorism, according to Dictionary.com. is:

1. the use of violence and threats to intimidate or coerce, esp. for political purposes.
2. the state of fear and submission produced by terrorism or terrorization.
3. a terroristic method of governing or of resisting a government.

Does George W. Bush fit into any of these categories? Let's take a look!

1. Nope. dick cheney does that
2. Last I checked, Bush wasn't using terrorism.
3. He surely isn't threatening us, last time I checked.

I know what you're gonna say next: "HE'S USING TERRORISM IN IRAQ TO MAKE FEAR AND STUFF IN IRAQ LULZ OMG". But...he isn't. Even if you don't think Saddam was crazy enough to bomb us, then there's the fact that there are religious extremists who hate our guts running around, getting ready to bomb us to hell, and if you somehow think the extremists are good, then he's there for oil. Just oil. If you find a witty retort to that, then...well, you're probably going far beyond what I personally think is plausible. :/

[Andre Young]

Wooper, I admire your argument. I admit I may have started drifting into the realm of unintellegince, and I hope I can get you to take me seriously.
I hardly beleve that george is our Worst president ever, even though his approval rating is almost at a record low. I might have worded my first post wrongly, and now I see how I did.
Bush is'nt a terrorist, he's just really damned stupid. I don't hate our government, just the people who run it and the way it's run. I'm not anywhere near knowing the inside workings of the current government/administration, but I do know that this war was ether a bad mistake, or some kind of staged something-or-other.

I've decided that I'm just going to let this all go, because it's a new slate soon. We either get a new, revonutializing black president,(I need to turn on spell check...) Or an old, insane, white POW who says he hates war, but doesn't want to stop it now. Ether way, the past is the past, we should all put this behind us, and be reunited.

After all, we'd never want to be divided and concored. (conqured?)

[Lester Burnham]

I've decided that I'm just going to let this all go, because it's a new slate soon. We either get a new, revonutializing black president,(I need to turn on spell check...) Or an old, insane, white POW who says he hates war, but doesn't want to stop it now. Ether way, the past is the past, we should all put this behind us, and be reunited.

How dare you pull that "OMG HISTORY" shit. It's 2008 here, not 1968. Nobody in the fucking world realizes that race shouldn't matter anymore, yet all we see is "WHITE BLACK ASIAN".

What the fuck.

[Aeroy]

Why would that make a difference? Does a flying vehicle need people in it to destroy something?

If people died as a result of a plane crash, then it's obviously not a missile. That was basically the point here.

I've talked to Bloatedfish before, and he's seen the video before you posted it but didn't really make it clear, at all.

Wait if someone shot a missile at, say, the super bowl, nobody would die?

A missile hitting the twin towers would have at LEAST the effects a plane would have.

Just playing Devil's Advocate

[Lord Raven]

Except it was the actual people in the plane I was referring to, sorry if I made that unclear

[Andre Young]

I can't goddamned take this anymore. I've been avoiding my own thread for a while because... well I don't know exactly why. Maybe it's because it reminds me too much of god damn fucking 2002 again, what with all it's constant "OMG WORZ" talk. I don't even get how I was pulling history shit, and I've decided to not give a flying rat's ass about HOW I was pulling it.

So go ahead and lock this mods, remove it from our sight never to be seen again.I never should have started this conversation, it's pulling us apart when we should be closer then ever.