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Animal Cruelty, And other morally questionable actions in Pokemon
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post Feb 4 2010, 03:17 AM
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Pokemon, especially the anime, has gone out of the way to show that a Pokemon and its trainer work as a team. The protagonists (mainly Ash) put the Pokemon's wishes first, and antagonists (mainly Paul right now and various minor characters before like Charmander's old trainer) who treat their Pokemon cruelly are brought in to show a difference.

I also feel there's a difference because a Pokemon has a much more developed consciousness than the average animal does. It has the ability to make its own choices more rationally when it comes to human affairs. If a pokemon doesn't want to battle, it will express that, and a good trainer respects that wish.


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post Feb 22 2010, 06:50 PM
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QUOTE(Kai Reddtail @ May 9 2009, 09:32 AM) *
I read an explanation on this on a website somewhere I think....

It's true as you get older you start to notice these things.

But also take note that animals in cockfights and dogfights are forced. They're abused or made to be aggressive. Pokemon want to battle, nobody forces them. Seriously, how is your average human going to force a pokemon to do ANYTHING? Ash couldn't MAKE Pikachu battle, that was clearly evident in the first episode. And that's just pikachu. Think of trianers trying to force a Tyranitar to battle? A Charizard? (We've seen that one too.) Not a chance. The pokemon battle because they enjoy it.
This reminded me of when charizard didnt like ash. how did ash survive all his flamethrowers without injury >.>
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post Mar 1 2010, 09:01 PM
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Fighting is to Pokemon as slleping is to cats.

About the "PC" its sent to a huge professor's ranch where other Pokemon it plays/fights with are there.
And for pokeballs, i read somewhere in Wikipedia that its a HUGE Pokemon friendly world.
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post Mar 15 2010, 08:55 PM
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QUOTE(PeachyMomo @ May 9 2009, 02:46 AM) *
Good thing little kids don't really notice these things.


I noticed all of your points when I was seven. Don't you give me that. =V

Thanks so much for making this thread... I agree. xD


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post Sep 8 2010, 10:00 AM
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So, if anyone thinks this 'thing' here is expressing animal cruelty/ violence/ etc. ... I strongly believe it does not.

First, Pokeballs, as many before had said, are roomy, comfortable and is like the Distortion World, space isn't stable, but in a good way. That means the space can expand, shrink, form shapes and whatever, while keeping the Pokemon safe and sound.

Also, think about the different kinds of Pokeballs that "makes the Pokemon caught grow friendlier faster/ instantly friendly" ... for example the Luxury and Friend Ball. By just listening to those names, you could really get the impression that goes on like this, "Wow, that must be so trendy, comfortable...." .

Also, (someone might have asked this before), what does Ash, and the other guys eat? Are they complete herbivores, who eat only veggies? Are they Pokevores, who also benefit from Pokemon? Are they omnivores, that do both?
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post Sep 8 2010, 11:00 AM
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I read somewhere about the Pokeballs creating like a little environment for the Pokemon.
It's weird because you can buy these things at a Pokemart for a fairly low price, but that sounds REALLY advanced. Especially with the Tardis-like technology (bigger on the inside than the outside). Robot Chicken did a pretty nice parody of that.
Although some depictions say that Pokeballs are just storage systems (thus finding items in Pokeballs). The Manga seems to favor this one, as you can see the Pokemon inside of the balls, and the Pokemon is just sitting there.

I never considered them hurting each other to be much of a problem, as you can heal them with a bleepy computer machine. Although attacks like Guillotine and Spacial Rend... makes you wonder.

I think we'll see a lot of issues pertaining to these in Black & White, with Team Plasma and N. Maybe that'll answer some questions.

But it all really makes no sense. It doesn't have to. That's why Pokemon is awesome.


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post Oct 17 2010, 09:52 PM
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QUOTE(PeachyMomo @ May 9 2009, 11:08 AM) *
Ah, that is a good point.

I've also wondered, can they die? In some of the movies, they act like the legendaries will die [Giratina] but I thought they could only faint?


Ummm, some Pokemon have died in the movies. Latios & Lucario died. They don't show it often, as it is a kid's show.


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post Oct 22 2010, 09:27 PM
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I never really think about these things much, but I gotta say, if Pokemon was real, it'd be a really scary world. o_o Kids being sent out of their house at age 10 to face groups of adults with animal fighting and such... I don't think I'd be able to handle it. :p


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post Jan 9 2011, 06:46 PM
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theres a differnce poke mon WANT to fight animals dont have a choice


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The funny thing is, this is the one thing Pokemon NEVER gets accused for. There are people who say Alakazam's mind powers are evil. And then there's the taking out of the Game Corner in Australian copies of Platinum. But Pokemon is never, and I mean never accused of animal cruelty.


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I'll will put it this way: who doesn't love forcing little monsters into small balls, forcing them to kill other little monsters, and also making them breed with pinkish-purple bubble gum to create stronger little monsters.

I totally think that this is basically a legal game about animal fighting. But seeing as it's a fun game and not supporting dog fights around the world (as far as I know) I still play the games.

And to answer if pokemon die, yes. The pokedex will say for ninetales, "This pokemon can live to be over 1,000 years old." This must meant that pokemon die or that wouldn't be mentioned, plus in the manga pokemon die every now and then.


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Pokemon have a choice. Real animals do not. They want to battle, they want to be with the trainer. Obviously, if they didn't enjoy the trainer's company, they could make them into a pile of bones quickly.

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Real animals don't usually want to fight unless something is wrong with them or they were specifically trained to. They differ from animals in that respect. Pokemon are also about the same intelligence as humans, to the extent of understanding our languages. Most animals, especially dogs and chickens, aren't and can't.

A lot of theories have been made about pokeballs, one I like was that they're sort of asleep when they're in them. (If that makes sense) Since they're made from apricorns, it's assumed that the apricorns could digest pokemon that touched them, and that taking apricorns off and altering them made it so that they could go back and forth between being normal and being plasma-ish without harm.

In the show, transferring them to the PC put them with Professor Oak, whatever other professor is in Ash's region, or some sort of miscellaneous property. I assumed it worked like that in the game. :'D

Team Rocket tried to steal Pokemon from people, abuse Pokemon, and capture Pokemon that were keeping the environments or city in check. They tried stealing Pikachu about a million times ffs. Ash and his friends never tried to do those things.

I always assumed that humans in the game had built up higher immunities to things like electricity and fire, since they were around things that could kill humans like us pretty constantly. They evolved to be tougher than us, or something. \o/
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