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[Commander Wymsy]

I don't mean to be rude or anything, but voting for any candidate that's not a Democrat or a Republican is kinda a waste of time. Third party candidates get what? Like 2% of the total votes.

And it's stupid and sad that it's considered a waste of time.

[JaddziaDax]

I don't mean to be rude or anything, but voting for any candidate that's not a Democrat or a Republican is kinda a waste of time. Third party candidates get what? Like 2% of the total votes.

thats because so many people in this country believe that there really are only two parties, if people would stop thinking this way and actually get their parties more organized then a third (or maybe even fourth) party might have a chance.

[Dazmi]

My Political Leaning is Neutral, and I don't normally base it on party.

I'm happy with Obama being the new president so far, since he's done nothing wrong yet.
I'm from Canada, so it doesn't effect me directly, but it's still nice.

I'm not expecting anything great from him, all I can hope for is that he does more good than bad.
You never know until it happens.

This post has been edited by johnrichard1991: Nov 13 2008, 04:03 AM

[Pokii]

Yeah, I'm actually pretty moderate (leaning conservative), myself. I really don't like either or the candidates who ran and I can honestly tell you that after hearing his damn name a hundred-and-a-half-million times, I really REALLY can't stand Obama in particular...

I just felt like posting that picture because it made me lol

Btw johnrichard, Obama hasn't done anything wrong yet because he's not officially president yet. He gets inaugurated in January

[Tiamat]

I don't mean to be rude or anything, but voting for any candidate that's not a Democrat or a Republican is kinda a waste of time. Third party candidates get what? Like 2% of the total votes.

thats because so many people in this country believe that there really are only two parties, if people would stop thinking this way and actually get their parties more organized then a third (or maybe even fourth) party might have a chance.

Actually, it's more because most people view it as a waste of a vote, because the two primary parties get the most votes and get on all of the tickets. That and America's always been two party, which is why we're two party now.

Besides, the Republicians broke through the barrier didn't they? It's more about how many people agree with a particular party on all counts. TV Tropes can explain it better then I can, but the site's disagreeing with me.

[JaddziaDax]

But if they would organize their parties more and "get more people on their team", then people would see giving a third party a chance then it wouldn't be seen as a waste of a vote, the two mentalities go hand in hand...

Of course getting their candidate into the mass media and into the television hosted debates so people would see that there are more than just the two parties to choose from this time, then more people might vote for a third party candidate. (and that also goes back to that organization comment).

[Letan]

Having multiple parties is a bad idea, trust me. I'm not entirely knowledgeable in American politics, but I know that in Canada the winner must have more than 50% of the vote in their favour. If not, then we have a minority government that can't really make many decisions. We've had two minority governments in a row under Stephen Harper because people are voting all over the place. Normally people vote for the Liberals, Conservatives, NDP, and Green Party. Four major parties isn't too fun, trust me.

[Swordsalmon]

TV Tropes can explain it better then I can, but the site's disagreeing with me.

<3

But on political parties, I frankly can't see the reason to have political parties. It's mainly personal experience talking, but how many people agree with every view their party has? Also, moderate candidates might not be able to get votes, since they have to be affiliated with a party to get far.

[berettapunk]

I don't mean to be rude or anything, but voting for any candidate that's not a Democrat or a Republican is kinda a waste of time. Third party candidates get what? Like 2% of the total votes.

i dont really care if it is a "waste" its my damn vote. i didnt want to vote for those two and i had other options. rather than being a mindless sheep like everyone else in this country, i do realize that i have other people i can vote for. to think otherwise is to go the route of nazi fascism, or communist oppression...

I don't mean to be rude or anything, but voting for any candidate that's not a Democrat or a Republican is kinda a waste of time. Third party candidates get what? Like 2% of the total votes.

And it's stupid and sad that it's considered a waste of time.

stupid? stupid is believing a certain party is owed your vote because you believe it is the lesser of two evils. stupid is sitting there and saying someone else is stupid because you believe differently. stupid is thinking ill vote for so and so because they look like someone i would sit down and have a drink with...stupid is following along with the crowd as the country goes down the tubes cuz everyone is too afraid to be called stupid because they dont agree with the 2 major candidates

I don't mean to be rude or anything, but voting for any candidate that's not a Democrat or a Republican is kinda a waste of time. Third party candidates get what? Like 2% of the total votes.

thats because so many people in this country believe that there really are only two parties, if people would stop thinking this way and actually get their parties more organized then a third (or maybe even fourth) party might have a chance.

i voted third party because the two party system is screwing up this system. another problem i have with the system is this is supposed to be the land of the free, yet the majority rules...last i checked the majority was not always right. usually the majority is wrong because its easy to get mindless drones to obey you in mass when it looks cool...the fact of the matter is, we are supposed to live our lives and have the freedom to pursue what makes us happy, yet the majority decides what that is. instead of you...you the one person who knows what you want to do with your life, now you have to listen to what the majority of sheep decide. for all they care, pokemon could be banned in the next election for any reason. its fine as long as the majority says so right? having a two party system makes it too easy for one group of people to control our lives...

oh, and wymsy...you may be the god of these forums, so you can ban me or whatever for saying this...but its pretty rude and stupid to call someone stupid for the way they vote and the way they feel about it. last i checked we werent here to flame each other about who we voted for. i havent flamed anyone for voting for obama or mccain. thats their decision. i stated mine. just because it wasnt the popular choice doesnt make it any different from your choice. i went and voted how i felt in my mind and heart. if i hadnt, i would not have left the ballot box without a sense of guilt knowing i had voted against how i truly felt. i dont see how that would make anyone stupid.

[JaddziaDax]

:up: heck yea voting for who you truely feel is the best candidate even if they have no chance of winning O:

but then again I don't really believe in the system, so I don't vote :/


This post has been edited by JaddziaDax: Nov 14 2008, 11:14 AM

[berettapunk]

i hate the system. most people criticize my beliefs of being an anarchist tho.

[TQQ]

Having multiple parties is a bad idea, trust me. I'm not entirely knowledgeable in American politics, but I know that in Canada the winner must have more than 50% of the vote in their favour. If not, then we have a minority government that can't really make many decisions. We've had two minority governments in a row under Stephen Harper because people are voting all over the place. Normally people vote for the Liberals, Conservatives, NDP, and Green Party. Four major parties isn't too fun, trust me.

for the last time letan, NOBODY KNOWS NOR CARES WHO STEVEN HARPER IS (except for us canooks)

[Commander Wymsy]

I don't mean to be rude or anything, but voting for any candidate that's not a Democrat or a Republican is kinda a waste of time. Third party candidates get what? Like 2% of the total votes.

And it's stupid and sad that it's considered a waste of time.

stupid? stupid is believing a certain party is owed your vote because you believe it is the lesser of two evils. stupid is sitting there and saying someone else is stupid because you believe differently. stupid is thinking ill vote for so and so because they look like someone i would sit down and have a drink with...stupid is following along with the crowd as the country goes down the tubes cuz everyone is too afraid to be called stupid because they dont agree with the 2 major candidates

Apparently you didn't understand my post, because I was stating that it's stupid and sad to consider that voting for anything but the major 2 parties is a waste of time. In other words, I agree with what you just said to me.

[berettapunk]

i sincerely apologize then Wymsy. i misinterpreted what you said. i hope you will forgive me.

All Hail Wymsy!


This post has been edited by berettapunk: Nov 15 2008, 01:36 AM

[Commander Wymsy]

i sincerely apologize then Wymsy. i misinterpreted what you said. i hope you will forgive me.

Ah, it's no big deal. I forgive you. Wouldn't be the first time somebody misinterpreted something I said....

[Flamer]

If nobody ever did for anything different, then nothing would ever change would it, so in my opinion, if you think a third parties a good idea, then voting for it this time round, even though it's never going to win, will help establish it for the next election.

[Tiamat]

The people talking about how third parties are awesome are forgetting something: a lot of minor parties don't get on the tickets of a lot of the states. :/ I think the most tickets any one minor party got on was 34 states, and I could be wrong. [/bad memory lol]

Also, having several equally strong parties leads to political instability, as the groups have to band together in order to get enough votes to be elected, but then fall apart after being elected. Just because we have a really weird system doesn't mean it's broken; it just needs some refinement.

[berettapunk]

the libertarian party(barr) i believe had around 48 states. the constitution(baldwin) party had around 38-42 i believe. i think the independant(nader) was on all ballots if im not mistaken, i dont recall how many states the socialist party or the green party had.

how would it lead to instability? just because there is always another party willing to keep the "popular" ideas in check? having any less than three in my opinion is a horrid idea. all it allows is for mistakes to be made over and over again due to the lack of people willing to challenge the status quo. it seems now that people who challenge the popular opinion here in america are deemed "unpatriotic" or some stupid label like that. since when was following the government blindly considered patriotism? i guess if this was nazi germany, or stalins russia i guess it would be. but last i checked it was the united states of america. the last time i checked, this country was founded on questioning the authority at all times to make sure it is not going to screw up.

this country was founded on keeping the minorities ideals just as sacred as the majorities. this country has forgotten that fact. things will only get worse until people wake up and realize that.

[Zerxer]

how would it lead to instability? just because there is always another party willing to keep the "popular" ideas in check?

It would be unstable because it'd split the electoral votes up wayyyyy more and every presidential win would just be by a hair. It'd also be a lot harder to get 270, which I believe the goal is. Sure, they could rewrite it, but still, if everyone actually voted for a separate party, the votes would be spread out way too thinly.

I also personally think that at this point, it is pointless to use your vote on a party other than the 2 major ones.. I think if more people actually did it, then it wouldn't be, but you can't deny that at this time it's pointless. You may not agree with the 2 major parties but think about it; you KNOW one of them is going to win because of how the rest of America only votes for one or the other so why wouldn't you invest your time in trying to figure out which of them is actually the better one so you know you were a part of giving your country the lesser of two evils for a president? It might be nice to be able to say "yeah well I didn't give my support to either of them, I just went with another party!" but are you sure that other party was actually the right one? And are you happy with Obama winning over McCain? Because if you're not, you should've just given your vote to McCain if you knew that the candidate you were voting for had no chance in winning. I realize that's dumb to say because if everyone said "it's pointless" then they'd never get any votes but c'mon, you know they won't win. Maybe once they finally get more exposure to the rest of the country like the major parties get but that's not the case.

[berettapunk]

i sincerely would not have been happy if mccain won either. neither candidate imo knows how to really fix things. so i voted for the candidate that i believed knew how. isnt that the way it is supposed to be?? or did i miss something? i dont remember this country being founded on the lesser of two evils. i believe it was founded on the fact that we had a choice and a responsibility to make things right, and to fix the system if it is broken. if you dont get it in what i said earlier, then you are not gonna get it cuz you are too stubborn. last time i checked, under the current 2 party system we have, we have economic turmoil, the world views us as warmongers, we lose more jobs in this country everyday, and fear has driven the people to give up the rights our ancestors fought and died for us to have.

im grateful to all the soldiers that have fought for this country since the first day of the revolutionary war. im appalled at the fact that every soldier has fought in vain apparently because the moment we got scared, we handed over our rights to freedom and liberty right over to the government without so much as a second thought.

ive said it a hundred times at least, the two party system fails every time because the fact that one side will always give into the other making the two party system nothing more than a charade. its fake! neither party atm has a true difference in opinion because they all want one thing, more control over the people. with a multi party system, we at least will always have one party that will challenge the popular opinion. last time i checked, the majoritys throughout history havent always been right. for a while, the majority thought the world was flat and the universe circled the earth. people who questioned that normally were killed or cast out of society for being crazy. so just because the majority said it is the right way, doesnt mean we should follow it blindly.

This post has been edited by berettapunk: Nov 22 2008, 04:29 AM