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Which came first?, Arceus or mew?
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post Jul 16 2010, 06:30 PM
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MEW is da one! Then again, some of my friends say it went Ho-oh->Mew->Arceus->The other Legendaries->everyone else. But that's a different topic.


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post Jul 21 2010, 01:46 AM
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I say Mew was the first pokemon and Arceus just got Celebi to send him back in time to before mew!
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post Jul 24 2010, 06:01 PM
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Technically Mew came first because Pokemon Red and Blue were made before Pokemon DPPt


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post Jul 26 2010, 12:36 PM
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Arceus. My theory is that Arceus created all the legendaries excluding Mewtwo and Regirock/ice/steel. The whole "mew has every pokemons dna" argument is out because Arceus is, as far as the general public in Pokeworld knows, a myth. Heck, Arceus might not even have DNA. I'm not even touching the "Mew came first because it's first gen" argument.


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post Jul 30 2010, 07:28 PM
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Generation=order discovered=/= order created

Why cant people get that? rolleyes.gif Still, I go for Mew. It's said that without Mew no Pokemon would esist, Arceus falling under the category of Pokemon.
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post Jul 31 2010, 02:45 AM
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This is a complicated discussion, but I say Mew. Mew was supposed to be the first pokemon, Arceus wasn't supposed to exist. How Arceus came to be is a mystery.


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post Aug 30 2010, 06:11 AM
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I think it was Arceus, the background story of the Pokemon world goes like this:

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So, let's sum it up:
~ Arceus is a goat that creates all the dumb preparations for his "newly created world" yada yada
~ Mew is the poor little thing Arceus commanded to create all the Pokemon that lives in its "newly created world"
~ It's Nintendo's fault that we are out here, confused


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post Sep 7 2010, 10:17 AM
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I'd have to say Mew, as I like to pretend that Arceus doesn't exist. It's a poor excuse of a "god" looks wise.


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post Mar 5 2011, 10:37 PM
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I'd say Mew, because all Pokémon came from the cute cat. happy.gif


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post Apr 3 2011, 05:35 PM
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Unfortunately, I have to say Arceus. As I've said in another topic like this, Arceus made the universe and Mew, and Mew did everything else... Although, now that I think about it, Arceus AND Mew might have been the Pokemon who made the universe. By this I mean together.


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post Apr 3 2011, 05:43 PM
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-Facepalm- Arceus came first, created everything else, Mew was created and he then evolved into every one of the actual Pokemon. At least, that's my opinion what what the games say.


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post May 16 2011, 08:54 PM
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Can you do 151-493? 151 is Mew's dex number and 493 is Arceus', so yeah.


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post Jun 6 2011, 08:24 AM
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Arceus, mew is not a god pokemon


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post Jun 6 2011, 10:04 AM
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Mew.
It was in the first gen, while Arceus was in the forth.
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been skimming the thread, and I'd like to point something out that I didn't see mentioned: In the pokedex, Mew is listed as a "New Spiecies Pokemon" and Arceus as an "Alpha Pokemon." Mew can learn every TM, while Arceus can be any type (this was previously stated). The pokedex data for Mew in Black/White (most current, that's why I'm using it) states "ecause it can use all kinds of moves, many scientists believe Mew to be the ancestor of Pokémon," and for Arceus "It is said to have emerged from an egg in a place where there was nothing, then shaped the world."

Mew is representative of life, which is constantly evolving and becoming new. Mew, unlike Arceus, is not so much a "creator" as a beginning, the same way that early common ancestors of all life on earth are.
Arceus is much more focused on non-living things, like types for example. Remember information on Arceus is supposed to be mythological, so I would say that coming from nothing, then shaping the world would be more akin to something like the big bang.

So, to answer the question of the thread in my opinion: If you're considering the myths surrounding Arceus to be based in truth then it would be the first, before Mew. I don't think you can group Arceus in with other pokemon if you're following the whole Mew is life and DNA and all that kind of concept, because it is more of like a god, or a separate entity.

Also, as for the generation gap argument: As more generations were made, the text from the games leads one to believe that each generation is in fact not newly discovered pokemon, but pokemon of a different region of the world, explaining why there would be some older gen pokemon here and there in newer gen games. Togepi was a "new discovery," as was Mew I believe but on the whole that was not the case.


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