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Posted by: Black Ice Jan 13 2008, 12:33 AM

INTRODUCTION__________________________________________________________________

This is a guide thing that will hopefully cover everything you need to know about EV training. EV training can seem like a repetitive, arduous, tedious, and ultimately pointless journey. And for the most part, it is. Why not just get an Action Replay and Pokesav anything? Because you idiots have nothing better to do in your lives than spend time with pixels, that's why. Clearly. So for those of you who fall into this category, I, Black Ice, have organized a little guide for you guys.

We will cover all of the following topics in this portion of the guide:

There are more topics to look at, though. At the bottom of this post, I will have links to posts with more information on them.

If you still have questions or don't understand something then ask in this thread and I, or some other person with knowledge, will give you the best answer. Don't be shy to ask questions, because asking questions is one of the most efficient and obvious ways to get an answer.

Anyways, onto the guide.


Base Stat

A base stat is a statistical value on a Pokemon that stays consistent with all Pokemon of its species. All Tauros, for example, have a Base Attack Stat of 100 which somehow calculates to a raw attack stat of 205 by level 100. The only things that can change that are EVs, IVs, and natures, which can potentially change your final stat by more than 100. Pretty big gap, right? That's why it's so important to find a good nature, EV train, and possibly IV breed, to a lesser extent.

EVs / EPs (Effort Values / Effort Points)
A hidden value that helps determine a Pokemon's final stats. There are some general rules that EVs follow:
-4 EVs make up 1 stat point
-A total of 255 EVs can be invested into a single stat
-510 EVs is the max amount of total EVs for a single Pokemon.

Since 4 doesn't divide into 255 so easily, it's better to just give a Pokemon 252 EVs instead of the full 255 if you plan on maxing that stat out. Since 4 EVs equal 1 stat point, and you can invest a total of 255 EVs into one stat, that'll make 63 points (255 / 4 = 63.75, and it needs to round down).

IVs (Individual Values)
A hidden value that also helps determine a Pokemon's final stats, but not as much. The highest IV is 31, and the lowest is 0. For each IV you have, that's 1 stat point. Simple. So if you have a Garchomp with 252 Speed EVs and 31 IVs, you'll have 333 speed. If you have 0 IVs on that Garchomp, then your highest speed stat possible is 302 (333 - 31 = 302). Simple enough, right?

How to Calculate IVs
To calculate IVs in every stat but HP, all you have to do is follow a simple equation:

((Math.ceil(Stat / Nature) - 5) x 100 / Level) - 2 x Base Stat - Math.floor(EV / 4).

Math.ceil means to round up. Stat is your current stat number. Nature is the nature's effect on a certain stat (Adamant is 110% Attack, 90% Special Attack, so if you wanted to calculate Special Attack, you'd put .9). Level is your current level. Base Stat is a Pokemon's base stat of a certain stat (Shuckle, for example, has 20 Base HP). Math.floor means to round down. EV is your current EV investment (between 0 and 255). So, if I were to attempt to calculate my Lv. 100 Garchomp's IV in speed...

Garchomp, Lv. 100 - Jolly nature (252 EVs in Speed)
Garchomp has base 102 speed.
Jolly nature and 252 Speed EVs gives this Garchomp 333 Speed at Level 100.

((Math.ceil(333 / 1.1) - 5) x 100 / 100) - 2 x 102 - Math.floor(252 / 4)
((Math.ceil(302.72) -5) x 1) -2 x 102 - Math.floor(63)
((303 - 5) x 1) - 2 x 102 - 63
(298) - 204 - 63 = 31.

There you have it. My Garchomp has 31 IVs in speed.

To calculate IVs for your HP stat, you must use a different equation.

((Stat - Level - 10) x 100 / Level) - 2 x Base Stat - Math.floor(EV / 4)

Again, Stat is your current stat number, Level is your current level, and...I think 10...is a number. Base Stat is the base stat of the Pokemon (look around on Google or any other search engine for base stats of Pokemon). Math.floor means to round down. EV is the amount of EVs you put into that stat (in this equation, it'd be HP). Nature doesn't matter for calculating HP IVs.

So let's do Blissey with 252 HP EVs.

Blissey, Lv. 100 - 252 HP EVs
Blissey has base 255 HP.
With 252 HP EVs, this Blissey has 714 HP.

((714 - 100 - 10) x 100 / 100) - 2 x 255 - Math.floor(252 / 4)
((604) x 1) - 510 - 63
604 - 510 - 63 = 31

That Blissey has 31 HP IVs.

Natures
A nature increases one stat of a Pokemon by 10% and decreases another stat by 10%. For example, the Adamant nature increases Attack by 10% and decreases Special Attack by 10%, and Timid raises Speed by 10% and lowers Attack by 10%. The only natures that have no effect on stats at all are Bashful, Hardy, Docile, Quirky and Serious. They're generally not recommended for use.

I think that explains the basics.

MORE TOPICS___________________________________________________________________

These will link to more posts. Clearly.

~http://www.gtsplus.net/forums/index.php?s=&showtopic=1911&view=findpost&p=13531

~http://www.gtsplus.net/forums/index.php?s=&showtopic=1911&view=findpost&p=13532
~http://www.gtsplus.net/forums/index.php?s=&showtopic=1911&view=findpost&p=13533
~http://www.gtsplus.net/forums/index.php?s=&showtopic=1911&view=findpost&p=13534
~http://www.gtsplus.net/forums/index.php?s=&showtopic=1911&view=findpost&p=13535
~http://www.gtsplus.net/forums/index.php?s=&showtopic=1911&view=findpost&p=13536
~http://www.gtsplus.net/forums/index.php?s=&showtopic=1911&view=findpost&p=13537

If there's anything you'd like to see added, tell me and I'll consider it. For now though, I think this should cover all you need to know about EV training in the 3rd and 4th generation.

CREDITS_______________________________________________________________________

-Jorge Vergara (Alexcalibur) from GameFAQs for the VS Seeker hotspots
-Kenshin075 from GameFAQs for the list of Pokemon EV distributions
-Cherished Song from PIForums for helping me on a lot of stuff
-Me (Black Ice) for wasting 4+ hours of my life making this guide

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Seriously.

Posted by: Black Ice Jan 13 2008, 12:33 AM

EV TRAINING HELPERS ___________________________________________________________

This post is for all those nifty little items that can help speed up EV training. It'll still take hours upon hours to build up a single team, though. Just saying. And what would you do if you realized you did something wrong? That Action Replay is starting to look mighty attractive now, isn't it?
Power Items
EV training can take a very long time. That's why I'd suggest using a cheat device or something. You can still hack Pokemon that look EXACTLY the same as a normal EV'd Pokemon, you know.
But for those of you without the benefit of such a godly device, Game Freak finally realised how much your lives sucked and decided to make the Power items, which add 4 to the EVs you would normally get for a certain stat.
Salamence, for example, gives out 3 Attack EVs. Right? Right. Well, if you have your Pokemon hold a Power Bracer, which adds 4 EVs to the normal amount of attack EVs you'd get, you'd get 7 EVs after you beat down a Salamence instead of a measly 3. Note how 3 + 4 = 7. And if you have Pokerus, then it doubles the 7 and becomes 14. 2(3+4) = 2(7) = 14. Simple as that.

But what are all the items? Here are the items and what they add to:

CODE
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Power Weight    |  +4 EVs in HP
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Power Bracer    |  +4 EVs in Attack
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Power Belt      |  +4 EVs in Defense
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Power Lens      |  +4 EVs in Special Attack
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Power Band      |  +4 EVs in Special Defense
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Power Anklet    |  +4 EVs in Speed
--------------------------------------------------


And where can you find them? I don't know. grin.gif Google it or something.

Stat-Reducing Berries
And you know those berries that raise happiness but 'lower your Pokemon's ___ stat'? It actually lowers the EVs of that particular stat by 10. ...which usually ends up lowering the stats, so yeah. Here's the list of the berries and which EVs they decrease:

CODE
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Pomeg Berry     | Removes 10 HP EVs
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Kelpsy Berry    | Removes 10 Attack EVs
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Qualot Berry    | Removes 10 Defense EVs
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Hondew Berry    | Removes 10 Special Attack EVs
--------------------------------------------------
Grepa Berry     | Removes 10 Special Defense EVs
--------------------------------------------------
Tamato Berry    | Removes 10 Speed EVs
--------------------------------------------------


So naturally, you could use 26 of each of these on an individual Pokemon and be 100% sure that it has no EVs on it. Again, I have no idea where to find these. Google is your friend.

Stat-Increasing Vitamins
And then, who could forget the stat-boosting vitamins? These things are amazing. You ever had one of THEEEEEEEEEEEEEESE? Well, what they do is add 10 EVs to the designated stat (HP Up adds 10 EVs to HP, Protein adds 10 EVs to Attack, etc.). But after there are already a total amount of 100 EVs invested in a stat, you can't use these items to boost said stat anymore. So it would be common sense to use these items before EV-training. Unless you didn't have money. But an Action Replay could fix that problem for you. But then you wouldn't even need to buy these items because you could just hack those in too grin.gif But why would you hack them in if you could just Pokesav your entire team anyways...? Oh, the options of hacking.

Anyways, yeah. The table.

CODE
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HP Up           | Increases 10 HP EVs
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Protein         | Increases 10 Attack EVs
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Iron            | Increases 10 Defense EVs
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Calcium         | Increases 10 Special Attack EVs
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Zinc            | Increases 10 Special Defense EVs
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Carbos          | Increases 10 Speed EVs
--------------------------------------------------


You can probably buy these in a drugstore or something. No, seriously. I think there are drugstores in these games. They're in a huge shopping mall for some reason. I'm just going by word on the street though. Don't trust me on this.

Experience Share (Exp. Share)If a Pokemon in your party is holding this item and does not take part in a battle, it will gain 50% EXP and 100% of the EVs it would get if it actually fought the Pokemon. If it did take part in battle and you used only one other Pokemon, you would get 33%. If it took part in battle and you used two others, you'd get 25%. And so on. And so on.

Posted by: Black Ice Jan 13 2008, 12:34 AM

-WHICH POKEMON GIVE OUT WHICH EVs-

CODE
--HP EVs--

Pokemon Name          EVs Received      Other Received EVs

Arceus                3 Points          --
Azumarill             3 Points          --
Azurill               1 Point           --
Barboach              1 Point           --
Bidoof                1 Point           --
Blissey               2 Points          --
Castform              1 Point           --
Caterpie              1 Point           --
Celebi                3 Points          --
Chansey               2 Points          --
Chinchou              1 Point           --
Clafable              3 Points          --
Clefairy              2 Points          --
Delcatty              1 Point           1 Point (Speed)
Ditto                 1 Point           --
Drifblim              2 Points          --
Drifloon              1 Point           --
Dunsparce             1 Point           --
Entei                 1 Point           2 Points (Attack)
Exploud               3 Points          --
Gastrodon             2 Points          --
Giratina              3 Points          --
Glalie                2 Points          --
Grimer                1 Point           --
Gulpin                1 Point           --
Happiny               1 Point           --
Hariyama              2 Points          --
Hoothoot              1 Point           --
Igglybuff             1 Point           --
Jigglypuff            2 Points          --
Jirachi               3 Points          --
Kangaskhan            2 Points          --
Lanturn               2 Points          --
Lapras                2 Points          --
Lickilicky            3 Points          --
Lickitung             2 Points          --
Loudred               2 Points          --
Makuhita              1 Point           --
Manaphy               3 Points          --
Marill                2 Points          --
Mew                   3 Points          --
Muk                   1 Point           1 Point (Attack)
Munchlax              1 Point           --
Nidoran (F)           1 Point           --
Nidorina              2 Points          --
Nidoqueen             3 Points          --
Noctowl               2 Points          --
Phanpy                1 Point           --
Phione                1 Point           --
Piloswine             1 Point           1 Point (Attack)
Quagsire              2 Points          --
Relicanth             1 Point           1 Point (Defense)
Sealeo                2 Points          --
Shaymin               3 Points          --
Shedinja              2 Points          --
Shellos               1 Point           --
Shroomish             1 Point           --
Skuntank              2 Points          --
Slaking               3 Points          --
Slakoth               1 Point           --
Slowpoke              1 Point           --
Snorlax               2 Points          --
Snorunt               1 Point           --
Spheal                1 Point           --
Swalot                2 Points          --
Tropius               2 Points          --
Vaporeon              2 Points          --
Wailmer               1 Point           --
Wailord               2 Points          --
Walrein               3 Points          --
Whiscash              2 Points          --
Whismur               1 Point           --
Wigglytuff            3 Points          --
Wooper                1 Point           --
Wurmple               1 Point           --
Wynaut                1 Point           --


--ATTACK EVs--

Pokemon Name          EVs Received      Other Received EVs

Abomasnow             1 Point           1 Point (Sp. Attack)
Absol                 2 Points          --
Anorith               1 Point           --
Arbok                 2 Points          --
Arcanine              2 Points          --
Ariados               2 Points          --
Armaldo               2 Points          --
Azelf                 2 Points          1 Point (Sp. Attack)
Bagon                 1 Point           --
Banette               2 Points          --
Beedrill              2 Points          1 Point (Sp. Defense)
Bellsprout            1 Point           --
Bibarel               2 Points          --
Blaziken              3 Points          --
Breloom               2 Points          --
Cacturne              1 Point           1 Point (Sp. Attack)
Camerupt              1 Point           1 Point (Sp. Attack)
Carnivine             2 Points          --
Carvanha              1 Point           --
Chatot                1 Point           --
Combusken             1 Point           1 Point (Sp. Attack)
Corpish               1 Point           --
Cranidos              1 Point           --
Crawdaunt             2 Points          --
Croagunk              1 Point           --
Croconaw              1 Point           1 Point (Defense)
Deoxys                1 Point           1 Point (Sp. Attack & Speed)
Dodrio                2 Points          --
Doduo                 1 Point           --
Donphan               1 Point           1 Point (Defense)
Dragonair             2 Points          --
Dragonite             3 Points          --
Dratini               1 Point           --
Ekans                 1 Point           --
Electivire            3 Points          --
Entei                 2 Points          1 Point (HP)
Farfetch'd            1 Point           --
Feraligatr            2 Points          1 Point (Defense)
Flareon               2 Points          --
Flygon                1 Point           2 Points (Speed)
Gabite                2 Points          --
Gachomp               3 Points          --
Gallade               3 Points          --
Gible                 1 Point           --
Goldeen               1 Point           --
Granbull              2 Points          --
Grotle                1 Point           1 Point (Defense)
Groudon               3 Points          --
Growlithe             1 Point           --
Gyarados              2 Points          --
Heracross             2 Points          --
Hitmonlee             2 Points          --
Honchkrow             2 Points          --
Huntail               1 Point           1 Point (Defense)
Infernape             1 Point           1 Point (Sp. Attack & Speed)
Kingdra               1 Point           1 Point (Sp. Attack & Sp. Defense)
Kingler               2 Points          --
Krabby                1 Point           --
Kricketune            2 Points          --
Larvitar              1 Point           --
Lucario               1 Point           1 Point (Sp. Attack)
Luxio                 2 Points          --
Luxray                3 Points          --
Mankey                1 Point           --
Machamp               3 Points          --
Machoke               2 Points          --
Machop                1 Point           --
Mamoswine             3 Points          --
Marshtomp             2 Points          --
Mawile                1 Point           1 Point (Defense)
Mesprit               1 Point           1 Point (Sp. Attack & Sp. Defense)
Mightyena             2 Points          --
Monferno              1 Point           1 Point (Speed)
Mothim                1 Point           1 Point (Sp. Attack)
Mudkip                1 Point           --
Muk                   1 Point           1 Point (HP)
Nidoking              3 Points          --
Nidoran (M)           1 Point           --
Nidorino              2 Points          --
Nuzleaf               2 Points          --
Octillery             1 Point           1 Point (Sp. Attack)
Paras                 1 Point           --
Parasect              2 Points          1 Point (Defense)
Piloswine             1 Point           1 Point (HP)
Pinsir                2 Points          --
Poochyena             1 Point           --
Primape               2 Points          --
Pupitar               2 Points          --
Qwilfish              1 Point           --
Rampardos             2 Points          --
Rayquaza              2 Points          1 Point (Sp. Attack)
Regigas               3 Points          --
Rhydon                2 Points          --
Rhyperior             3 Points          --
Riolu                 1 Point           --
Sableye               1 Point           1 Point (Defense)
Salamence             3 Points          --
Scizor                2 Points          --
Scyther               1 Point           --
Seaking               2 Points          --
Sentret               1 Point           --
Seviper               1 Point           1 Point (Sp. Attack)
Sharpedo              2 Points          --
Shiftry               3 Points          --
Shinx                 1 Point           --
Shuppet               1 Point           --
Snover                1 Point           --
Snubull               1 Point           --
Solrock               2 Points          --
Spinarak              1 Point           --
Stantler              1 Point           --
Staraptor             3 Points          --
Swampert              3 Points          --
Swinub                1 Point           --
Tauros                1 Point           1 Point (Speed)
Teddiursa             1 Point           --
Totodile              1 Point           --
Torterra              2 Points          1 Point (Defense)
Toxicroak             2 Points          --
Trapinch              1 Point           --
Turtwig               1 Point           --
Tyranitar             3 Points          --
Tyrogue               1 Point           --
Unown                 1 Point           1 Point (Sp. Attack)
Ursaring              2 Points          --
Vibrava               1 Point           1 Point (Speed)
Victreebel            3 Points          --
Weavile               1 Point           1 Point (Speed)
Weepinbell            2 Points          --
Yanmega               2 Points          --
Zangoose              2 Points          --


--DEFENSE EVs--

Pokemon Name          EVs Received      Other Received EVs

Aggron                3 Points          --
Aron                  1 Point           --
Bastiodon             2 Points          --
Bayleef               1 Point           1 Point (Sp. Defense)
Beldum                1 Point           --
Bonsly                1 Point           --
Bronzong              1 Point           1 Point (Sp. Defense)
Bronzor               1 Point           --
Cascoon               2 Points          --
Clamperl              1 Point           --
Cloyster              2 Points          --
Corsola               1 Point           1 Point (Sp. Defense)
Croconaw              1 Point           1 Point (Attack)
Cubone                1 Point           --
Donphan               1 Point           1 Point (Attack)
Drapion               2 Points          --
Dusclops              1 Point           2 Points (Sp. Defense)
Dusknoir              1 Point           2 Points (Sp. Defense)
Duskull               1 Point           1 Point (Sp. Defense)
Exeggcute             1 Point           --
Feraligatr            1 Point           2 Points (Attack)
Forretress            2 Points          --
Geodude               1 Point           --
Gligar                1 Point           --
Gliscor               2 Points          --
Golem                 3 Points          --
Graveler              2 Points          --
Grotel                1 Point           1 Point (Attack)
Hippopotas            1 Point           --
Hippowdon             2 Points          --
Huntail               1 Point           1 Point (Attack)
Kabuto                1 Point           --
Kabutops              2 Points          --
Kakuna                2 Points          --
Koffing               1 Point           --
Kricketot             1 Point           --
Lairon                2 Points          --
Leafeon               2 Points          --
Magcargo              2 Points          --
Marowak               2 Points          --
Mawile                1 Point           1 Point (Attack)
Meganium              1 Point           2 Points (Sp. Defense)
Metagross             3 Points          --
Metang                2 Points          --
Metapod               2 Points          --
Miltank               2 Points          --
Nincada               1 Point           --
Nosepass              1 Point           --
Omanyte               1 Point           --
Omastar               2 Points          --
Onix                  1 Point           --
Parasect              1 Point           2 Points (Attack)
Pelipper              2 Points          --
Pineco                1 Point           --
Poliwrath             3 Points          --
Probopass             1 Point           2 Points (Sp. Defense)
Regirock              3 Points          --
Registeel             2 Points          1 Point (Sp. Defense)
Relicanth             1 Point           1 Point (HP)
Rhyhorn               1 Point           --
Sableye               1 Point           1 Point (Attack)
Sandshrew             1 Point           --
Sandslash             2 Points          --
Seadra                1 Point           1 Point (Sp. Attack)
Seedot                1 Point           --
Shelgon               2 Points          --
Shellder              1 Point           --
Shieldon              1 Point           --
Shuckle               1 Point           1 Point (Sp. Defense)
Silcoon               2 Points          --
Skarmory              2 Points          --
Skorupi               1 Point           --
Slowbro               2 Points          --
Spiritomb             1 Point           1 Point (Sp. Defense)
Squirtle              1 Point           --
Steelix               2 Points          --
Sudowoodo             2 Points          --
Suicune               1 Point           2 Points (Sp. Defense)
Tangela               1 Point           --
Tangrowth             2 Points          --
Torkoal               2 Points          --
Torterra              1 Point           2 Points (Defense)
Uxie                  2 Points          1 Point (Sp. Defense)
Vespiquen             1 Point           1 Point (Sp. Defense)
Wartortle             1 Point           1 Point (Sp. Defense)
Weezing               2 Points          --


--SPECIAL ATTACK EVs--

Pokemon Name          EVs Received      Other Received EVs

Abomasnow             1 Point           1 Point (Sp. Attack)
Abra                  1 Point           --
Alakazam              3 Points          --
Ampharos              3 Points          --
Azelf                 1 Point           2 Points (Attack)
Beautifly             3 Points          --
Budew                 1 Point           --
Bulbasaur             1 Point           --
Butterfree            2 Points          1 Point (Sp. Defense)
Cacnea                1 Point           --
Cacturne              1 Point           1 Point (Attack)
Camerupt              1 Point           1 Point (Attack)
Charizard             3 Points          --
Charmeleon            1 Point           1 Point (Speed)
Cherrim               2 Points          --
Cherubi               1 Point           --
Chimecho              1 Point           1 Point (Sp. Defense)
Chingling             1 Point           --
Combusken             1 Point           1 Point (Attack)
Darkrai               2 Points          1 Point (Speed)
Deoxys                1 Point           1 Point (Attack & Speed)
Dialga                3 Points          --
Empoleon              3 Points          --
Espeon                2 Points          --
Exeggutor             2 Points          --
Flaaffy               2 Points          --
Gardevoir             3 Points          --
Gastly                1 Point           --
Gengar                3 Points          --
Girafarig             2 Points          --
Glaceon               2 Points          --
Gloom                 2 Points          --
Golduck               2 Points          --
Gorebyss              2 Points          --
Heatran               3 Points          --
Horsea                1 Point           --
Houndoom              2 Points          --
Houndour              1 Point           --
Hunter                2 Points          --
Infernape             1 Point           1 Point (Attack & Speed)
Ivysaur               1 Point           1 Point (Sp. Defense)
Jynx                  2 Points          --
Kadabra               2 Points          --
Kingdra               1 Point           1 Point (Attack & Sp. Defense)
Kirlia                2 Points          --
Kyogre                3 Points          --
Latios                3 Points          --
Lucario               1 Point           1 Point (Attack)
Lunatone              2 Points          --
Magmar                2 Points          --
Magmortar             3 Points          --
Magnemite             1 Point           --
Magneton              2 Points          --
Magnezone             3 Points          --
Mareep                1 Point           --
Masquerain            1 Point           1 Point (Sp. Defense)
Mesprit               1 Point           1 Point (Attack & Sp. Defense)
Mewtwo                3 Points          --
Misdreavus            1 Point           1 Point (Sp. Defense)
Mismagius             1 Point           1 Point (Sp. Defense)
Moltres               3 Points          --
Mothim                1 Point           1 Point (Attack)
Natu                  1 Point           --
Numel                 1 Point           --
Octillery             1 Point           1 Point (Attack)
Oddish                1 Point           --
Palkia                3 Points          --
Piplup                1 Point           --
Porygon               1 Point           --
Porygon2              2 Points          --
Porygon-Z             3 Points          --
Prinplup              2 Points          --
Psyduck               1 Point           --
Quilava               1 Point           --
Raikou                1 Point           2 Points (Speed)
Ralts                 1 Point           --
Rayquaza              1 Point           2 Points (Attack)
Remoraid              1 Point           --
Roselia               1 Point           --
Roserade              3 Points          --
Rotom                 1 Point           1 Point (Speed)
Seadra                1 Point           1 Point (Defense)
Seviper               1 Point           1 Point (Attack)
Slugma                1 Point           --
Smoochum              1 Point           --
Spinda                1 Point           --
Sunflora              2 Points          --
Sunkern               1 Point           --
Togekiss              2 Points          1 Point (Sp. Defense)
Torchic               1 Point           --
Typhlosion            3 Points          --
Unown                 1 Point           1 Point (Attack)
Venomoth              1 Point           1 Point (Speed)
Venusaur              2 Points          1 Point (Sp. Defense)
Vileplum              3 Points          --
Xatu                  1 Point           1 Point (Speed)
Zapdos                3 Points          --


--SPECIAL DEFENSE EVs--

Pokemon Name          EVs Received      Other Received EVs

Altaria               2 Points          --
Articuno              3 Points          --
Baltoy                1 Point           --
Bayleef               1 Point           1 Point (Defense)
Beedrill              1 Point           2 Points (Attack)
Bellossom             3 Points          --
Blastoise             3 Points          --
Bronzong              1 Point           1 Point (Defense)
Burmy                 1 Point           --
Butterfree            1 Point           2 Points (Sp. Attack)
Chikorita             1 Point           --
Chimecho              1 Point           1 Point (Sp. Attack)
Claydol               1 Point           --
Cleffa                1 Point           --
Corsola               1 Point           1 Point (Defense)
Cradily               2 Points          --
Cresselia             3 Points          --
Dewgong               2 Points          --
Drowzee               1 Point           --
Dusclops              2 Points          1 Point (Defense)
Dusknoir              2 Points          1 Point (Defense)
Duskull               1 Point           1 Point (Defense)
Dustox                3 Points          --
Eevee                 1 Point           --
Grumpig               2 Points          --
Hitmonchan            2 Points          --
Hitmontop             2 Points          --
Ho-oh                 3 Points          --
Hoppip                1 Point           --
Hypno                 2 Points          --
Ivysaur               1 Point           1 Point (Sp. Attack)
Kecleon               1 Point           --
Kingdra               1 Point           1 Point (Attack & Sp. Attack)
Latias                3 Points          --
Ledyba                1 Point           --
Ledian                2 Points          --
Lileep                1 Point           --
Lombre                1 Point           --
Lotad                 1 Point           --
Ludicolo              3 Points          --
Lugia                 3 Points          --
Mantine               2 Points          --
Mantyke               1 Point           --
Masquerain            1 Point           1 Point (Sp. Attack)
Meganium              2 Points          1 Point (Defense)
Mesprit               1 Point           1 Point (Attack & Sp. Attack)
Milotic               2 Points          --
Mime Jr.              1 Point           --
Misdreavus            1 Point           1 Point (Sp. Attack)
Mismagius             1 Point           1 Point (Sp. Attack)
Mr. Mime              2 Points          --
Ninetales             1 Point           1 Point (Speed)
Politoed              3 Points          --
Probopass             2 Points          1 Point (Defense)
Regice                3 Points          --
Registeel             1 Point           2 Points (Defense)
Seel                  1 Point           --
Shuckle               1 Point           1 Point (Defense)
Slowking              3 Points          --
Spiritomb             1 Point           1 Point (Sp. Defense)
Spoink                1 Point           --
Suicune               2 Points          1 Point (Defense)
Swablu                1 Point           --
Tentacool             1 Point           --
Tentacruel            2 Points          --
Togekiss              1 Point           2 Points (Sp. Attack)
Togepi                1 Point           --
Togetic               2 Points          --
Umbreon               2 Points          --
Uxie                  1 Point           2 Points (Defense)
Venonat               1 Point           --
Venusaur              1 Point           2 Points (Sp. Attack)
Vespiquen             1 Point           1 Point (Defense)
Wartortle             1 Point           1 Point (Defense)
Wormadam              2 Points          --


--SPEED EVs--

Pokemon Name          EVs Received      Other Received EVs

Aerodactyl            2 Points          --
Aipom                 1 Point           --
Ambipom               2 Points          --
Buizel                1 Point           --
Buneary               1 Point           --
Charmander            1 Point           --
Charmeleon            1 Point           1 Point (Sp. Attack)
Chimchar              1 Point           --
Combee                1 Point           --
Crobat                3 Points          --
Cyndaquil             1 Point           --
Darkrai               1 Point           2 Points (Sp. Attack)
Delcatty              1 Point           1 Point (HP)
Delibird              1 Point           --
Deoxys                1 Point           1 Point (Attack & Sp. Attack)
Diglett               1 Point           --
Dugtrio               2 Points          --
Electabuzz            2 Points          --
Electrike             1 Point           --
Electrode             2 Points          --
Elekid                1 Point           --
Fearow                2 Points          --
Feebas                1 Point           --
Finneon               1 Point           --
Floatzel              2 Points          --
Flygon                2 Points          1 Point (Attack)
Froslass              2 Points          --
Furret                2 Points          --
Glameow               1 Point           --
Golbat                2 Points          --
Grovyle               2 Points          --
Illumise              1 Point           --
Infernape             1 Point           1 Point (Attack & Sp. Attack)
Jolteon               2 Points          --
Jumpluff              3 Points          --
Linoone               2 Points          --
Lopunny               2 Points          --
Lumineon              2 Points          --
Luvdisc               1 Point           --
Magby                 1 Point           --
Magikarp              1 Point           --
Manectric             2 Points          --
Medicham              2 Points          --
Meditite              1 Point           --
Meowth                1 Point           --
Minun                 1 Point           --
Monferno              1 Point           1 Point (Attack)
Murkrow               1 Point           --
Ninetales             1 Point           1 Point (Sp. Defense)
Ninjask               2 Points          --
Pachirisu             1 Point           --
Persian               2 Points          --
Pichu                 1 Point           --
Pidgeot               3 Points          --
Pidgeotto             2 Points          --
Pidgey                1 Point           --
Pikachu               2 Points          --
Plusle                1 Point           --
Poliwag               1 Point           --
Poliwhirl             2 Points          --
Ponyta                1 Point           --
Purugly               2 Points          --
Quilava               1 Point           --
Raichu                3 Points          --
Raikou                2 Points          1 Point (Sp. Attack)
Rapidash              2 Points          --
Raticate              2 Points          --
Rattata               1 Point           --
Rotom                 1 Point           1 Point (Sp. Attack)
Sceptile              3 Points          --
Skiploom              2 Points          --
Skitty                1 Point           --
Smeargle              1 Point           --
Sneasel               1 Point           --
Spearow               1 Point           --
Staravia              2 Points          --
Starly                1 Point           --
Starmie               2 Points          --
Staryu                1 Point           --
Stunky                1 Point           --
Surskit               1 Point           --
Swellow               2 Points          --
Taillow               1 Point           --
Tauros                1 Point           1 Point (Attack)
Treecko               1 Point           --
Venomoth              1 Point           1 Point (Sp. Attack)
Vibrava               1 Point           1 Point (Attack)
Vigoroth              2 Points          --
Volbeat               1 Point           --
Voltorb               1 Point           --
Vulpix                1 Point           --
Weavile               1 Point           1 Point (Attack)
Weedle                1 Point           --
Wingull               1 Point           --
Xatu                  1 Point           1 Point (Sp. Attack)
Yanma                 2 Points          --
Zigzagoon             1 Point           --
Zubat                 1 Point           --

Posted by: Black Ice Jan 13 2008, 12:35 AM

EV TRAINING HOTSPOTS_________________________________________________________

Here are some EV-training "hotspots" - places with many wild Pokemon that give EVs of one or two stats. So you won't find things that give 2 Attack EVs and 1 Defense EV or anything like that, which can screw up your training a little bit.


CODE
--HP EVs--

Where:    Route 201
Who:      Bidoof (1)
    
Where:    Valley Windworks
Who:      Shellos (1) Bidoof (1)    

Where:    Route 222
Who:      Gastrodon (2)


--ATTACK EVs--    

Where:    Route 202
Who:      Shinx (1)    

Where:    Route 212
Who:      Kricketune (2) Bibarel (2)

Where:    Route 208
Who:      Bibarel (2) Machop (1)    

Where:    Acuity Lakefront
Who:      Snover (1) Machoke (2)    

Where:    Lake Valor
Who:      Seaking (2) Gyarados (2)
Need:     Super Rod    

*Unown also gives 1 Attack EV, but gives out 1 Special Attack EV as well.


--DEFENSE EVs--
    
Where:    Oreburgh Gate, Left of Oreburgh City
Who:      Geodude (1)

Where:    Oreburgh Mine
Who:      Geodude (1) Onix (1)

Where:    Ruin Maniacs Cave
Who:      Hippopotas (1) Geodude (1)
    
Where:    Iron Island Mines
Who:      Graveler (2) Onix (1)
    

--SPECIAL ATTACK EVs--
    
Where:    Route 204
Who:      Budew (1)

Where:    The old Chateau in Eterna Forest
Who:      Ghastly (1) Haunter (2) Gengar (3)
Need:     FireRed/LeafGreen/Ruby/Sapphire/Emerald in the GBA slot for Haunter and Gengar.
NOTE:     For Gengar, you must be in the room with the painting with red eyes.

Where:    Lost Tower on Route 209
Who:      Gastly (1)

Where:    Route 229
Who:      Roselia (1) Gloom (2)

Where:    Resort Areas pond
Who:      Golduck (2)

*Unown also gives 1 Special Attack EV, but gives out 1 Attack EV as well.


--SPECIAL DEFENSE EVs--

Where:    Any sea route
Who:      Tentacool (1), Tentacruel (2) Mantyke (1)
Need:     HM03 Surf, Pokemon with surf

Just decided to list this. Mantyke doesn't appear in every sea route, but it's not like it's any better than Tentacool or Tentacruel.


--SPEED EVs--

Where:    Route 201
Who:      Starly

Where:    Cave with Zubats and Golbats
Who:      Zubat (1) Golbat (2)

Too many to list, so I just wrote this.

Where:    Trophy Garden of Pokemon Mansion
Who:      Pikachu (2) Pichu (1) Staravia (2)

Where:    Lost Tower South of Solaceon town.
Who:      Zubat (1)
NOTE:     Also has Gastly in there, so it's like hitting two birds with one stone for special sweepers.

Posted by: Black Ice Jan 13 2008, 12:35 AM

EV TRAINING HOTSPOTS: VS SEEKER___________________________________________________

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--HP EVs--
Where:          Route 209.  She is standing at the top of the sand for the bike
Who:            Cowgirl Shelly
What they have: 5 Bidoof
Level:          Around Lv. 15
Total EVs:      5

Where:          Route 210
Who:            Bird Keeper Brianna
What they have: 2 Noctowl
Level:          Around Lv. 40
Total EVs:      4

Where:          Route 212
Who:            Fisherman Travis
What they have: 3 Barboach and a Shellos
Level:          ???
Total EVs:      4

Where:          Route 213
Who:            Tuber Jared
What they have: 3 Gastrodon
Level:          Around Lv. 50-55
Total EVs:      6

Where:          Route 219
Who:            Tuber Mariel
What they have: 2 Marill
Level:          Around Lv. 15
Total EVs:      4

  
--ATTACK EVs--

Where:          Route 203
Who:            Lass Madeline
What they have: 1 Staraptor, 1 Bibarel
Level:          Around Lv. 40
Total EVs:      5

Where:          Route 213
Who:            Swimmer Sheltin
What they have: 3 Gyarados
Level:          Around Lv. 30
Total EVs:      6

Where:          Route 214
Who:            PI Carlos
What they have: 1 Goldeen, 2 Seaking
Level:          Around Lv. 40
Total EVs:      5

Where:          Route 218
Who:            Fisherman Miguel
What they have: 2 Gyarados
Level:          Around Lv. 50
Total EVs:      4

Where:          Route 222
Who:            Fisherman Alec
What they have: 2 Gyarados
Level:          Around Lv. 50
Total EVs:      4

Where:          Route 222
Who:            Rich Boy Trey
What they have: 1 Luxio
Level:          Around Lv. 60
Total EVs:      2

Where:          Route 225
Who:            Ace Trainer Quinn
What they have: 1 Pinser, 1 Mightyena
Level:          Around Lv. 50
Total EVs:      4


--DEFENSE EVs--

Where:          Route 210
Who:            Ninja Boy Fabian
What they have: 3 Geodude
Level:          Around Lv. 20
Total EVs:      3

Where:          Route 212
Who:            Collector Dominique
What they have: 3 Geodude
Level:          Around Lv. 20
Total EVs:      3

Where:          Route 221
Who:            Collector Ivan
What they have: 3 Hippopotas
Level:          Around Lv. 50
Total EVs:      3


--SPECIAL ATTACK EVs--

Where:          Route 212
Who:            PKMN Ranger Jeffrey
What they have: 2 Prinplup
Level:          Around 20
Total EVs:      4

Where:          Route 212
Who:            Scientist Shaun
Need:           HM01 Cut
What they have: ???
Level:          ???
Total EVs:      6

Where:          Route 214
Who:            Psychic Mitchell
What they have: 1 Gengar, 1 Alakazam
Level:          Around Lv. 55
Total EVs:      6


Where:          Route 214
Who:            Collector Douglas
What they have: 3 Roselia
Level:          Around Lv. 25
Total EVs:      6


--SPECIAL DEFENSE EVs--

Where:          Route 210
Who:            Ninja Boy Davido
What they have: 1 Dustox
Level:          ???
Total EVs:      3

Where:          Route 230
Who:            Swimmer Sophia
Need:           HM03 Surf
What they have: 2 Mantyke
Level:          ???
Total EVs:      2

Where:          Route 230
Who:            Swimmer Mallory
Need:           HM03 Surf
What they have: 1 Seel, 1 Dewgong
Level:          ???
Total EVs:      3


--SPEED EVs--

Where:          Route 205
Who:            Fisherman Andrew
What they have: 6 Magikarp
Level:          Around Lv. 10
Total EVs:      6

Where:          Cycling Road, third male from the top
Who:            Cyclist John
What they have: 2 Staravia
Level:          Around Lv. 40
Total EVs:      4


EV Training Suggestions - VS Seeker
Basically, the more Pokemon there are, the better the trainer. So if you fight that guy with 6 Magikarp, it'll be better than that guy with 2 Staravia. By a long shot.

Also, this is assuming you have both the Power Items and Pokerus. I just don't wanna type it out all 6 times. It gets kinda redundant. Also, if you don't have Pokerus, then just multiply the amount of times you have to battle the person by 2. And if you don't have the Power Item but you have Pokerus, then just get a calculator out and get crackin'. If you don't have either, good luck.

HP Training

Attack Training

Defense Training

Special Attack Training

Special Defense Training

Sorry about Special Defense, I don't know the levels of the Pokemon yet. So I can't suggest anything else other than to battle Wild Pokemon. If somebody could check them for me, it'd be appreciated.


Speed Training

Posted by: Black Ice Jan 13 2008, 12:36 AM

POKERUS_____________________________________________________________________

So, what is Pokerus, exactly? It's a little virus. But it's actually a good virus, so you want it. You only have a slim chance of getting it, but once you do, you'll likely want to spread it around and maybe keep an infected Pokemon around by putting it in the PC before it loses it.

What's so great about it? It doubles the total amount of EVs you gain. So that 3 EVs in Attack that you get from Salamence double to become 6. Paired up with the Power items, this thing can really cut down the time needed for EV-training without them.

How can you tell if you have Pokerus? Well, if you look at your Pokemon's profile on the first page (where it has the location and picture and stuff), then you should either see PkRS above your Pokemon's picture, or a smiley face that looks like ('.') near the bottom-right corner. When you see PkRS, then that means that you have Pokerus and you can still infect others. When you have the smiley face, that means that you've lost the ability to spread the virus around but the effects still remain. You can only have PkRS for a short period of time unless it's in the PC so it's best to infect another Pokemon and keep that one in the PC in case you want to infect more later on. If you leave a Pokemon with PkRS in the PC then it will never go away and you can keep infecting other Pokemon.

How do you infect Pokerus to other Pokemon? First, you send out the Pokemon with Pokerus into a wild battle. You then either have the foe attack you with a physical-contact move like Tackle or Scratch, or you do it yourself. After that has been achieved, you switch to the Pokemon you want to be infected and either attack or be attacked. After that, you should have Pokerus. If you don't, try again. Alternatively, you could just walk around for about 1000 steps or something, whatever floats your boat.

Note that even if you have Pokerus and EV-train with it, the max stat won't be any higher, even though the stats seem to go up higher than usual. That means that if I train my Garchomp with Pokerus, the highest it can get (with max IVs, 252 EVs) is still 333.

EV TRAINING HELPERS & POKERUS COMBINATIONS_______________________________________

For you lazy people out there who don't want to do the math. This will show you what you can accomplish with Pokerus and either the Macho Brace or a Power Item.

1 EV

2 EVs
3 EVs

Posted by: Black Ice Jan 13 2008, 12:36 AM

-Natures-

[insert chit-chat crap]

CODE
        -Atk   |  -Def  | -Sp.Atk| -Sp.Def|  -Spd  | +Pof
------------------------------------------------------------
+Atk   | Hardy | Lonely | Adamant| Naughty| Brave  | Spicy
------------------------------------------------------------
+Def   | Bold  | Docile | Impish | Lax    | Relaxed| Tough
------------------------------------------------------------
+SAtk  | Modest| Mild   | Bashful| Rash   | Quiet  | Dry
------------------------------------------------------------
+SDef  | Calm  | Gentle | Careful| Quirky | Sassy  | Bitter
------------------------------------------------------------
+Spd   | Timid | Hasty  | Jolly  | Naive  | Serious| Sweet
------------------------------------------------------------
-Pof   | Spicy | Tough  | Dry    | Bitter | Sweet  |
------------------------------------------------------------


When you see a +, that means that that stat is increased by 10%. Likewise, when you see a -, that means that that stat is decreased by 10%.

The natures that + and - the same stat don't do anything. Nada. Zip. Zoodle. You get the point.

Pof means poffin. +Pof means that the flavour is favourable, and -Pof means that the Pokemon dislikes it. As you can see, -Atk natures don't like Spicy, -Def natures don't like Tough, -SAtk natures don't like Dry, etc. Likewise, +Atk natures like Spicy, +Def natures like Tough, +SAtk natures like Dry, etc.

Posted by: Black Ice Jan 13 2008, 12:37 AM

-EV Training in Pokemon XD-

CODE
Mt. Battle Area 7 - level 57+ Pokémon

1st trainer: 5 Speed EVs
2nd trainer: 6 Speed EVs
3rd trainer: 8 Speed EVs
4th trainer: 10 Speed EVs
5th trainer: 12 Speed EVs
6th trainer: 5 Sp. Atk EVs
7th trainer: 9 Sp. Atk EVs
8th trainer: 7 Sp. Atk EVs
9th trainer: 8 Sp. Atk EVs
10th trainer: 13 Sp. Atk EVs
Total: 41 Speed, 42 Sp. Atk

Mt. Battle Area 8 - level 62+ Pokémon

1st trainer: 6 Sp. Def EVs
2nd trainer: 5 Sp. Def EVs
3rd trainer: 9 Sp. Def EVs
4th trainer: 8 Sp. Def EVs
5th trainer: 13 Sp. Def EVs
6th trainer: 5 Attack EVs
7th trainer: 6 Attack EVs
8th trainer: 9 Attack EVs
9th trainer: 10 Attack EVs
10th trainer: 13 Attack EVs
Total: 41 Sp. Def, 43 Attack

Mt. Battle Area 9 - level 63+ Pokémon

1st trainer: 8 HP EVs
2nd trainer: 7 HP EVs
3rd trainer: 8 HP EVs
4th trainer: 8 HP EVs
5th trainer: 8 HP EVs
6th trainer: 6 Defense EVs
7th trainer: 9 Defense EVs
8th trainer: 7 Defense EVs
9th trainer: 9 Defense EVs
10th trainer: 12 Defense EVs
Total: 39 HP, 43 Defense


As far as I know, Pokemon Colosseum has no such feature.

Posted by: Zerxer Jan 15 2008, 08:03 PM

Very nice so far. Sorry if you didn't want replies just yet. I'm going to pin this though I think.

Wow, we have a lot of pins now. noes.gif

Posted by: Black Ice Jan 16 2008, 05:31 PM

Maybe we could put some of these things onto the site instead of the forums? Liek how FEP has info on the games?

I'm pretty much finished for now, and there's a link navigation thing in the first post anyways.

Posted by: MetalHealth Feb 9 2008, 02:09 AM

i still dont understand how you specific evs from these pokemon a few are labeled with the ev they give but others just say points so im assuming that ALL pokemon give out eps but if thats true what ev do you recieve from pokemon that dont give out specific stat eps? and wouldent you need to start training your pokemon from level 1 to get the specific evs that you want?

Posted by: Black Ice Feb 9 2008, 02:23 AM

QUOTE(MetalHealth @ Feb 9 2008, 02:09 AM) *
i still dont understand how you specific evs from these pokemon a few are labeled with the ev they give but others just say points

effort values = effort points. 3 effort points in attack = 3 attack evs. Just a different name.

so im assuming that ALL pokemon give out eps but if thats true what ev do you recieve from pokemon that dont give out specific stat eps?

Yes, all Pokemon give out effort points. All Pokemon give out specific evs. A Bidoof always gives out 1 HP ev. Nothing else.

and wouldent you need to start training your pokemon from level 1 to get the specific evs that you want?

No, you can use rare candies until you get to Lv. 99 then ev train it. As long as you don't battle anything that gives you the wrong evs, you're fine. Also, wild Pokemon start out with 0 evs, so you don't have to go around looking for a Lv. 1 Dialga to ev train.

Posted by: MetalHealth Feb 9 2008, 02:37 AM

i see thank you very much, but when i said dont they have to start froom lvl 1 i was refering to pokemon who have been leveled through fighting gyms and the elite 4 and random pokemon

Posted by: Black Ice Feb 9 2008, 11:11 AM

If you've fought random Pokemon then you can use berries to get rid of the evs you don't want.

http://forums.gtsplus.net/index.php?s=&showtopic=1911&view=findpost&p=13531

Posted by: MetalHealth Feb 9 2008, 01:39 PM

QUOTE(Black Ice @ Feb 9 2008, 11:11 AM) *
If you've fought random Pokemon then you can use berries to get rid of the evs you don't want.

http://forums.gtsplus.net/index.php?s=&showtopic=1911&view=findpost&p=13531

ah i see thanks alot ^^ now it all seems pretty clear

Posted by: Cole Feb 21 2008, 05:28 PM

I have done all of this yet I got +1 on speed ? I have pokerus and everything confused.gif

Posted by: Black Ice Feb 25 2008, 11:04 PM

Sometimes it depends on what Pokemon it is and at what level. Lower level Pokemon don't get as high stat gains as higher leveled ones, and slow Pokemon probably don't gain a lot of speed either.

Posted by: Raven Feb 26 2008, 04:15 PM

... why wasn't this moved to General Pokemon?

Moving.

Posted by: suzyk Feb 26 2008, 04:27 PM

Maybe because it's only meant for the Fourth Gen? happy.gif Look at the Pokemon Black Ice put up for training...

Help?

Darkrai, Modest LvL50 - HP: 134 (8/0) | Atk: 99 (30/0) | Def: 105 (20/0) | Sp.Atk: 154 (0/0) | Sp.Def: 106 (22/0) | Spd: 134 (8/0) | Hidden Power: 51, FIGHTING | Format: stat (IV/EP)

What does this mean? Is it really bad? Will anybody ever take it? ;-;

Posted by: Black Ice Feb 26 2008, 04:32 PM

QUOTE(Raven @ Feb 26 2008, 04:15 PM) *
... why wasn't this moved to General Pokemon?

Moving.


Because most of this stuff only applies for D/P.


Darkrai, Modest LvL50 - HP: 134 (8/0) | Atk: 99 (30/0) | Def: 105 (20/0) | Sp.Atk: 154 (0/0) | Sp.Def: 106 (22/0) | Spd: 134 (8/0) | Hidden Power: 51, FIGHTING | Format: stat (IV/EP)

Darkrai is at Lv. 50 and is Modest. HP is 134, with 8 IVs and 0 EP (also EV)s. Attack is 99, has 30 IVs, and has 0 EVs. Defense is 105, has 20 IVs and 0 EVs. Special Attack is 154 and has no IVs or EVs. Special Defense is 106 and has 22 IVs and 0 EVs. Speed is 134 and has 8 IVs and 0 EVs. When you teach it Hidden Power, it'll be a Fighting move with 51 power.

Posted by: Raven Feb 26 2008, 05:36 PM

EV Training in XD is pretty third generation from the looks of it. Not only that, but much of this shit does apply to RSE as well as DP if you haven't noticed; pretty much everything's carried over from RSE to DP aside from a few differences (even then, the differences are between RS and Emerald itself!).

Posted by: Black Ice Feb 26 2008, 10:22 PM

EV training hotspots for wild Pokemon, EV training hotspots for trainers...probably won't find any Bidoof on Route 201 in Emerald wink.gif

This thread was meant for 4th generation. Maybe someone else can make an EV thread for 3rd, but as the maker of this thread, I'd like it to stay in 4th gen discussion. happy.gif

Posted by: Raven Feb 27 2008, 03:57 PM

But the basics between the two are EXACTLY the same, aside from EV training hotspots and the extra Pokemon. Even if the intent was just for one board, the information shown in this topic apply the basics of two boards. In fact, why not just add EV hotspots for third generation so it applies to both? In fact, I have a list somewhere...

Marill in Route 115 Water - +2 HP
Whismur in Rusturf Cave - +1 HP

Shuppet (Sapphire) in Mt Pyre - +1 Attack
Solrock (Ruby) in Meteor falls - +2 Attack
Poochyena (Emerald) in Route 101 - +1 Attack

Silcoon/Cascoon in Petalburg Forest - +2 Defense
Graveler, Torkoal in Magma Hideout (Emerald) - +2 Defense
Clamperl undersea (RS) - +1 Defense

Zigzagoon on Route 101 (RS) - +1 Speed
The route directly east of Mauville has Linoone/Manectric/Electrike/Zigzagoon in RS - +2 Speed for Manectric/Linoone, +1 Speed for Electrike/Zigzagoon
Smeargle in Artisan Cave (Emerald) - +1 Speed
Zubats in almost every cave imaginable - +1 Speed

Spinda at Route 113 - +1 SAtk
Roselia and Oddish west of Mauville - +1 SAtk each

Tentacool/cruel in Abandoned ship - +1 SDef for cool, +2 SDef for cruel

Posted by: RAKKA Mar 14 2008, 03:52 AM

I'd add the route 212 to the HP training hotspot section. Wooper and Quagsire, found on the lake, give 1 and 2 EVs respectively. They're the only thing there. Quite a decent level for training too.

Posted by: Missy Artichoke Aug 19 2008, 01:20 AM

This is helpful, but still a little confusing overall. Perhaps if I read it a couple more times I'll eventually get it XD

I think all the numbers throw me off a little. It'd be great if we could follow somebody's EV training step by step 'for dummies' kinda thing.

Posted by: the quiet quilava Aug 19 2008, 02:22 AM

stare at it long enough, it'll dawn on ya.
once you get the hang of it, EV training gets easier.
and actually Black Ice, instead of spending all that time figuring out iv's in yor head, you could use an http://www.legendarypokemon.net/ivcalc

Posted by: Raven Aug 19 2008, 02:36 PM

Personally, the EV/IV configurator thing in NetBattle taught me more about EVs and IVs than any article has. It taught me their purpose, and how to EV train is actually quite simple once you learn the purpose of EVs.
IV Breeding is still somewhat complicated, but you'll catch onto it after a little bit.

Posted by: Vivimage Dec 2 2008, 11:49 AM

Some good hotspots in D/P:

Attack: Valor Lakefront
Use the Super Rod to fish in the lake. You'll find either Gyarados or Seaking, both giving 2 EVs

Defense: Route 214
The cave on Route 214 is filled with Geodudes and Hippopotas

Speed: West of Eterna City
Head west out of town and the top most fisherman is sporting 6 Magikarp. Won't take more than 6 battles with him to max out EVs in Speed.

Special Attack: Route 214
Last trainer you see before Valor Lakefront is a Collector who has 3 Roselias

Special Defense: Route 223
Surf on that route and you'll find Tentacruels (2 EV) and Mantykes (1 EV) the only other pokemon you'll find is Pelipper, but those give EVs in Defense.

for HP, I don't really know. I haven't EV trained in that stat, but just take out a bunch of Bidoof and you'll be set.

Posted by: MetroidHunter26 Jun 8 2009, 07:39 PM

I have a question well alot.
As far as I can tell EV training increases stats by 1 for every 4 EVs you get by battling certain pokemon correct?
and it is spread out so if I were to kill 44 Zubat I wouldn't get 11 Speed stat increase at that moment correct?
and there are a total of 252 or 255 evs in each if that's what I'm reading correctly?
so is it important to jot down the EV's you get? (cause I havn't >__>)
Or just to get some EV's in the stats right now and wait along the road and see what else you can do cause lately I just don't know what to do with this "new" information. (I say new because I never thought about EV training nor heard about it till recently)

NVM I read it again and it just leaped in my face I got it now so you can only get 510 EV's MAX so you have the choice of only doing 255 (or 252) EV's on 2 stats or evenly spread it out right? I think I got it. right?

BTW another question
If you use the berry's to decrease he EV's and Use the Vitamins to increase it (from what I read you can only use it 10 times so only 100 EV's is applied to each stat I presume) then can you go EV train the remaining 152?

Posted by: bigmac Jun 13 2009, 09:44 AM

i have no idea how all this works can some one help me? i would reallt appreciate it. and what info do i give you if you help me?

Posted by: Black Ice Jun 23 2009, 08:34 AM

QUOTE(MetroidHunter26 @ Jun 8 2009, 07:39 PM) *
NVM I read it again and it just leaped in my face I got it now so you can only get 510 EV's MAX so you have the choice of only doing 255 (or 252) EV's on 2 stats or evenly spread it out right? I think I got it. right?

BTW another question
If you use the berry's to decrease he EV's and Use the Vitamins to increase it (from what I read you can only use it 10 times so only 100 EV's is applied to each stat I presume) then can you go EV train the remaining 152?


This is a good summary of everything I wrote. And your last question would be correct.

bigmac, just read the quote.

Posted by: xGVx Jun 23 2009, 07:21 PM

This was actually really helpful. I have a Dustox that needs some training in Sp Atk and I was wondering if EV training could help. I'm playing both Emerald and Diamond from scratch again and I've got the Dustox in both...

Also, I was wondering if I could print the first few notes to have on the go...?

Posted by: Silverwing Jul 20 2009, 01:16 PM

Im EV training a garchomp, I got the effort ribbon for him so that means I maxed out on his EVs, do I still need to fight machokes and golbats or can I just drag him through the eleit four a few times to level him up now?

Posted by: Black Ice Jul 21 2009, 06:27 PM

That means you're done.

Posted by: bigmac Jul 22 2009, 02:40 PM

QUOTE(Black Ice @ Jun 23 2009, 06:34 AM) *
QUOTE(MetroidHunter26 @ Jun 8 2009, 07:39 PM) *
NVM I read it again and it just leaped in my face I got it now so you can only get 510 EV's MAX so you have the choice of only doing 255 (or 252) EV's on 2 stats or evenly spread it out right? I think I got it. right?

BTW another question
If you use the berry's to decrease he EV's and Use the Vitamins to increase it (from what I read you can only use it 10 times so only 100 EV's is applied to each stat I presume) then can you go EV train the remaining 152?


This is a good summary of everything I wrote. And your last question would be correct.

bigmac, just read the quote.


well yeah!! thank you! im getting a hang of it now! from the last post i did! and yeah it is a good summary of everything!

Posted by: Eeveeman84 Aug 8 2009, 09:04 AM

Black Ice, the first post makes no sense to me at all...But I must say, good work figuring all that out.
I get the equasion, a little.
So if im doing speed for a level 100 pokemon

((Stat - Level - 10) x 100 / Level) - 2 x Base Stat - Math.Floor(EV / 4)
((__ - 100 - 10) x 100 / 100) - (twice the base stat or minus 2 times the base stat?) -Math.Floor (<-- ??) (EV(isn't that what I'm trying to figure out??) / 4)

Ahh nevermind this is soo confusing.

EDIT: wait, I think I get it. So if I have a Tauros with 152 attk, it would have... 2 EVs? No. It would have 8. Ahh I have no clue I had it for a second

If anybody could break it down a little, that would be helpful.
I know each pokemon needs 4 EVs to gain 1 stat level. So 4 zubats gives 1 speed level when the pokemon levels. But how do I know how many EVs my pokemon has? the equasion is way to confusing for me...

Posted by: Black Ice Aug 9 2009, 01:31 PM

That's because you're looking at IVs, not EVs.

QUOTE
EVs / EPs (Effort Values / Effort Points) - A hidden value that helps determine a Pokemon's final stats. 4 EVs make up 1 stat point; a total of 255 EVs can be invested into a single stat; 510 EVs is the max amount of total EVs for a single Pokemon. Since 4 doesn't divide into 255 so easily, it's better to just give a Pokemon 252 EVs instead of the full 255 and stick the last 6 EVs into another stat. 1 point is better than none, right? Not that it'll make much of a difference, though. Since 4 EVs equal 1 stat point, and you can invest a total of 255 EVs into one stat, that'll make 63 points. This is proven by the fact that 255 / 4 = 63.75, which is rounded down to 63.


This is basically all you need to know.

Posted by: Eeveeman84 Aug 9 2009, 01:44 PM

So I just find out the base [I'll use speed as an example] stat for a pokemon, subtract that by its current [speed] stat, multiply that by 4, and thats the EV for that [speed] stat?

((If the base speed is 100, and the current speed is 103, take 103 subtract 100 and you get 3. Multiply that by 4 and you get 12... So the speed IV for that pokemon would be about 12?))

Posted by: Metakeru maelstom dragon Aug 11 2009, 10:27 AM

I have a question, say I was battling a machoke with my garchomp equipped with a Power Bracer, and my shinx has an exp share. does shinx gets 6 attack EV or just the 2?

Posted by: Suikun Aug 11 2009, 11:02 AM

I'm not sure where you're getting 6 from. Machoke gives 2 attack EVs, so double that and you have 4. Right?

As for the question, I'm not sure but I think you would get only 2.

Posted by: Metakeru maelstom dragon Aug 11 2009, 12:19 PM

my garchomp has a power bracer (+4) and he's battling a machoke (+2) that's six
shinkx has a exp. share: +2 or + 6?

power bracer man, POWER BRACER!!!

not macho bracer...

Posted by: Eeveeman84 Aug 14 2009, 07:35 AM

QUOTE(me August 9th @ not sure what time)
So I just find out the base [I'll use speed as an example] stat for a pokemon, subtract that by its current [speed] stat, multiply that by 4, and thats the EV for that [speed] stat?

((If the base speed is 100, and the current speed is 103, take 103 subtract 100 and you get 3. Multiply that by 4 and you get 12... So the speed IV for that pokemon would be about 12?))


Well? Is that right or not?


QUOTE(Aug 11 2009 @ 01:19 PM)
my garchomp has a power bracer (+4) and he's battling a machoke (+2) that's six
shinkx has a exp. share: +2 or + 6?

Your Garchomp would get +6, your shinx would get +4. Garchomp kills the machoke, +2. It's holding the power bracer, +4. +6. Shinx gets +2 from battle. and +2 from exp. share. +4.

Posted by: Metakeru maelstom dragon Aug 20 2009, 08:59 AM

QUOTE(Eeveeman84 @ Aug 14 2009, 08:35 AM) *
QUOTE(me August 9th @ not sure what time)
So I just find out the base [I'll use speed as an example] stat for a pokemon, subtract that by its current [speed] stat, multiply that by 4, and thats the EV for that [speed] stat?

((If the base speed is 100, and the current speed is 103, take 103 subtract 100 and you get 3. Multiply that by 4 and you get 12... So the speed IV for that pokemon would be about 12?))


Well? Is that right or not?


QUOTE(Aug 11 2009 @ 01:19 PM)
my garchomp has a power bracer (+4) and he's battling a machoke (+2) that's six
shinkx has a exp. share: +2 or + 6?

Your Garchomp would get +6, your shinx would get +4. Garchomp kills the machoke, +2. It's holding the power bracer, +4. +6. Shinx gets +2 from battle. and +2 from exp. share. +4.



...didn't use the switch out tecnique...

Posted by: Suikun Aug 20 2009, 07:50 PM

Okay, then I guess it would just get 2 then. Also, are you sure that the "switch-out technique" works? I'm kind of doubting it but I'm too lazy to look it up =s

Posted by: Metakeru maelstom dragon Aug 24 2009, 11:57 AM

QUOTE(Suikun @ Aug 20 2009, 08:50 PM) *
Okay, then I guess it would just get 2 then. Also, are you sure that the "switch-out technique" works? I'm kind of doubting it but I'm too lazy to look it up =s



it does, check serebii.net if you want

Posted by: Steam Oct 28 2009, 05:56 PM

omg now i finally know what EV points are i can stop asking now. =D

Posted by: GoldenMagikarp Nov 15 2009, 08:46 PM

I have a question.
Should I wait till my Pokemon are fully evovled before I begin to EV train them?
Or could I start any time?

Posted by: raffprta Feb 7 2010, 01:40 PM

QUOTE
I have a question.
Should I wait till my Pokemon are fully evovled before I begin to EV train them?
Or could I start any time?


You can start at any time.

Posted by: Metakeru Feb 22 2010, 02:42 PM

I'm confused... when you say round up, does that mean that a number like 1.3 goes up to two, and that round down means a number like 4.7 goes down to 3?

Posted by: Black Ice Mar 15 2010, 08:42 PM

QUOTE(Metakeru @ Feb 22 2010, 02:42 PM) *
I'm confused... when you say round up, does that mean that a number like 1.3 goes up to two, and that round down means a number like 4.7 goes down to 3?

Oops, late reply.

1.3 goes up to two. 4.7 goes down to 4. No skipping integers.

Posted by: Metakeru Mar 16 2010, 08:18 AM

thanks!
oh and theres some errors with the vs. hotspots for defense

QUOTE
--DEFENSE EVs--

Where: Route 210
Who: Ninja Boy Fabian
What they have: 3 Geodude
Level: Around Lv. 20
Total EVs: 3

Where: Route 212
Who: Collector Dominique
What they have: 3 Geodude
Level: Around Lv. 20
Total EVs: 3

Where: Route 221
Who: Collector Ivan
What they have: 3 Hippopotas
Level: Around Lv. 50
Total EVs: 3


first on has zubat second one has espeon and umbreon and third one has a togekiss

Posted by: Devicho Jun 18 2010, 08:49 PM

Just to confirm something: if I were to level up a Pokemon by keeping it at the front of my party, then switching it out, would it gain any EVs, or would it have to have been the one to KO the Pokemon? It isn't holding an Exp. Share.

I figure this would be the best place to ask.

Posted by: Black Ice Jun 30 2010, 11:51 PM

It'd gain the EVs as well.

Posted by: Senpo Jul 14 2010, 06:11 PM

Okay, this is probably a dumb question, but if you were to max out the EVs on a Pokemon soon after capture/birth, then would that mean that if you were to battle a wild Pokemon of a completely different EV stat then the EV gained after the battle would be null and void because you've maxed out? Sorry if it's a kinda confusing question.

Posted by: Dar Ksereth Oct 9 2010, 08:57 PM

QUOTE(Senpo @ Jul 14 2010, 06:11 PM) *
Okay, this is probably a dumb question, but if you were to max out the EVs on a Pokemon soon after capture/birth, then would that mean that if you were to battle a wild Pokemon of a completely different EV stat then the EV gained after the battle would be null and void because you've maxed out? Sorry if it's a kinda confusing question.

geez, i feel i am going to get chewed at for this necropost, but it ain't my style to leave a question unanswered.

you got it right, once you hit the cap of 510 ev's, you can't get any more, which is why you keep tabs on your training, and once you reach max ev's, off to fight high-level opponents and get exp.

also, is this guide gonna get an overhaul? it says so on the top, but seeing how the last post was a few motnths ago, you know...

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