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Sandy Hook Conspiracy
Quomimi
post Jan 23 2013, 09:14 PM
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The Sandy Hook Shooting Conspiracy

Alright, you're probably wondering 'what the heck is this crazed girl talking about?' As I was when I heard about this. But, just hear me out. There has been recent evidence of the shootings at Sandy Hook Elementary to be a fraud.

Now, before I get into the nitty-gritty, I'm going to sum up what happened to those who are confused at the start. The Sandy Hook shooting was where Adam Lanza, a 20 year old man with a mental disability, went into the Newtown local elementary school and shot 26 people there. The man then shot his own mother, and shot himself in the end. Now there's more details to the story, and you can find them from the internet. (Google it, as my teachers will say.)

How I came across this was from a video my class watched today. (This is the said video. XxX I highly suggest you watch it. Note that these points come from the video, and also from other sources.) This video, though somewhat sketchy, got me thinking. Was the whole shooting an actual fraud? I am going to explain the points that this is a conspiracy, and see if you guys here have any thoughts either for this idea or against it. I can't say which side I am on myself, knowing I'm confused about it also, but I'll do my best to describe my points.


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First off, let's look at the numbers of past shootings. These are of other shootings, of who were killed and harmed.

In the Virginia Tech shooting, there were 32 deaths, and 23 were injured.
In the Aurora Theatre shooting, there were 12 deaths, and 59 were injured.
Now in Sandy Hook, there were 26 deaths, and only 1 injured.

Remember, this is a mentally challenged man shooting the kids here. Note that research states that at the age of 20 (his age at death) he has had no gun history. By his death and harmed rate, he was shooting 3-11 targets each. This is better than professional shooters, as a medical examiner confirmed. Also, these kids were running like crazy. Wouldn't you, if a stranger entered your school, a place you go to daily, with a gun? (Now, I'm not bashing on mentally challenged people here. I feel they can do whatever they want in the world. I'm related to one, and he's doing just fine. happy.gif )


Next, the police who discovered Adam Lanzer's body (the shooter) accidentaly identified him as Ryan Lanzer, his older brother. Ryan's I.D was on Adam when they found his body at the elementary school. But the thing here is that Adam has had no contact with his older brother Ryan for several years. How would he have been able to get a valid I.D, as the one he had when he died, if he had not seen him in years?


Also, there were reports of Adam Lanza's mother, Nancy Lanza, was a kindergarden teacher at Sandy Hook Elementary. But, in later research, it was found that she was not a kindergarden teacher at all. This was confirmed by the staff at the attacked school, and the police. Now before this informationwas released, a nurse from the school (she was working there for 15 years) had been asked a few questions. She was asked if she had known the victim's mother. And she stated that 'she did, and she was an absolutely loving person, and a very caring, experienced kindergarden teacher. Just the person you would want with your 5 year old children. Also, if you look up this said nurse in the Sandy Hook school records, there is no registered nurse in the school by that name.


Now if you've seen any of the news interviews of the families of the murdered children, you may have seen certain people who acted somewhat strange. In a certain interview, there is a man by the name of Gene Rosen. This man had apparently found six children sitting by his drive way along with a female bus driver. But in another interview, he states that a loud man was with them. In both stories, he allows the kids into his house, not asking any questions at that. In both stories, the adult figure with the kids was telling them to calm down, that it would be alright. After some research, it shows that Gene lives past the firehouse. Why would the children be left at a complete strangers house rather than at a safe firehouse?

After Gene takes the kids in, he lays some toys out for them. Apparently, these children played with the stuffed animals for 30 minuets before telling him the story. This man hasn't called the police, the school, or their parents. Now once they've explained it all, Gene states that they had said that 'my teacher is dead. Soto is dead.' But the police reports show that the kids who ran from Soto's class were killed. What was Gene thinking here? And it was added in that Gene was a part of an acting group called the Screen Actors Guild. In other interview, there are other parents who were found to be in an acting group of some sort. One was from a crisis (such as this one) acting group.


To continue, in other videos of the school once they got cameras there, there are no kids on the scene. All that is there are a boat load of police and emergency cars, and policemen, doctors, and other emergency adults. Other than that, the place is empty.


Why would this all be going on?

To raise the awarement of gun control laws.
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That is all I have to share. I really suggest that you look at the video I put above, it has given these points and more. I hope that this has made you want to think for a moment, and maybe research yourself.
I hope you don't take this the wrong way. I only mean to spread the information I learned. I honestly hope that this doesn't hurt anyone in any way.

Well, share your opinions, thoughts, feedback, here!

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post Jan 23 2013, 10:35 PM
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Your link just goes to youtube and not an actual video. So to sum this all up you think that the killing of innocent children was all an act? That the town more or less did that to up gun awareness?


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post Jan 23 2013, 11:07 PM
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I can't say I know all the details, but thanks for the tip about the video. I'll have to find it again. :P
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post Jan 23 2013, 11:45 PM
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I don't believe in the conspiracy theories, but I'm not going to say that people who do are wrong either. The video was very entertaining - almost like a story - and the most interesting stories are usually fictional, at least in my opinion. Who knows if anything was created or shopped just so people could spread rumors around about theories, but who knows if the people who were involved were telling the truth. (As in the people who were witnessing could also have been actors for the conspiracy crowd to make videos like this.)

I guess I'm on the fence about this, since I'd rather believe that none of this is intentional, but I also want to believe what the video said - that it seemed like no one died at all and everyone involved were just actors. Though if everyone involved was an actor then what? It doesn't really make sense to me that way.

I'll probably watch some more videos later on.

Edit: I was about to come and edit my post to include that reddit link that the user below posted, but clearly I was beaten to it. :B I posted that video on my facebook wall to see what others thought and was also linked to this: http://www.snopes.com/politics/guns/newtown.asp

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post Jan 24 2013, 12:35 AM
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Here is a pretty supported debunking of some of the conspiracy ideas (gun numbers, inconsistencies, etc): Boop (Links to Reddit)

In my honest opinion, I don't believe it is a conspiracy at all. It's just a traumatic event to many people in Sandy Hook, and also nationwide. Sure, you can argue that the infamy it had helped raise gun law awareness but...

There are better ways to do that than murdering 20~ kids and teachers at gunpoint to raise awareness of gun control.

Onto the finer points, mostly about how the place was empty when the cameras got there. There is probably a significant delay with the media responding to the scene than the emergency response, which is quicker. The most likely idea is that the media got there just after the rest of the wounded/dead were taken away and we only usually see videos a bit after the event and everything happened. I don't believe there are any live live coverage of the actual shooting, so most of it is conjecture.

This is just what I think though. I don't know too much about the specific details of the shooting honestly.


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post Jan 24 2013, 11:11 AM
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I wanna know the context behind the video. What are the dude's credentials? There is always the possibility he is warping something from nothing to push his own agenda.


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post Jan 24 2013, 11:35 AM
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I didn't watch the video myself but I heard some of it while Jen was watching it. People like this are always able to make something out of nothing because of the fact that the media is constantly contradicting itself by rushing reports out and not doing enough fact-checks because they want to compete with other channels.

That Reddit link NinjaFish posted (here) as well as what Snopes.com has written up have both done a great job at debunking the video.

This conspiracy video is nothing more than some guy(s) trying to twist things around in order to create stronger controversy and possibly fame (garnering views). A possible motive behind it is that they're one of those anti-Obama anti-gun law groups, or they just thought it'd be fun to do. It's even possible that they actually believe it themselves, but that would be rather delusional of them.


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